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    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...s-running-mate

    39 Things To Know About JD Vance, Trump's Running Mate

    BY TYLER DURDEN
    TUESDAY, JUL 16, 2024 - 08:52 AM
    Authored by Joseph Lord and Jackson Richman via The Epoch Times,

    On July 15, former President Donald Trump announced that Sen. J.D. Vance (R-Ohio) was his vice presidential pick, ending months of speculation.

    “After lengthy deliberation and thought, and considering the tremendous talents of many others, I have decided that the person best suited to assume the position of Vice President of the United States is Senator J.D. Vance,” former President Trump said in a Truth Social post.



    Based on Mr. Vance’s published works and interviews, here are 39 things to know about the Ohio Republican who is set to share a ticket with the former president.

    1. He’s 39 Years Old
    Mr. Vance was born on Aug. 2, 1984. Turning 40 in August, he’s the first millennial on a major party ticket and one of the youngest vice presidential candidates in history.

    2. He’s a Catholic
    Mr. Vance was raised Protestant, but later converted to Catholicism, officially becoming Catholic in August 2019.

    3. He’s Married to Usha Chilukuri Vance
    Mr. Vance is married to Usha Chilukuri Vance, whom he met at Yale Law School. They married in 2014.

    Ms. Vance currently works as a corporate litigator. She has clerked for Supreme Court Chief Justice John. Roberts and then-appellate Judge Brett Kavanaugh.

    She would be the first Hindu spouse of a vice president.

    4. The Couple Has 3 Children
    Mr. Vance has three children: Ewan, 6, Vivek, 4, and Mirabel, 2.

    5. He’s Considered a Populist Conservative
    Mr. Vance is commonly considered to be a populist conservative.

    His political ideology is often placed alongside the ranks of former President Trump, Sen. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.), and pro-Trump swaths of the House Freedom Caucus.

    In a December 2023 interview, he described his hope to “push the Republican Party in a more pro-worker direction” and capitalize on the working-class gains made by the likes of former President Trump.

    6. He Grew Up in a Lower-Class Family
    Mr. Vance famously grew up in a lower-class family in Middletown, Ohio, and often experienced financial and familial hardships growing up.

    7. He’s a Best-Selling Author
    Mr. Vance first became well-known for his best-selling memoir, “Hillbilly Elegy,” published in 2016, which details his time growing up in poverty-stricken areas of the Rust Belt.

    The book traces the drug abuse issues and financial hardships experienced by many in the white working class, and was seen by many as a primer on the population that propelled former President Trump to victory in 2016.

    8. There’s a Movie Adaptation of His Book
    Mr. Vance’s book was adapted into a namesake Netflix film in 2020.

    9. He Experienced the Decline of the Rust Belt
    In both his memoir and the movie adaptation, Mr. Vance explains his experience of the decline of the Rust Belt, and the impacts it had on those living there.

    Speaking about his native Middletown, Mr. Vance wrote in Hillbilly Elegy, “There is a lack of agency here— a feeling that you have little control over your life and a willingness to blame everyone but yourself.”

    He’s made clear that this experience has continued to shape his political life and decisions.

    10. He Grew Up in Ohio but Considered Eastern Kentucky ‘Home’
    Despite growing up in Ohio, Mr. Vance has said he considered his great-grandmother’s house in rural Kentucky as “home.”

    “I always distinguished ‘my address’ from ‘my home,’” Mr. Vance wrote in Hillbilly Elegy.

    “My address was where I spent most of my time with my mother and sister, wherever that might be. But my home never changed: my great-grandmother’s house, in the holler, in Jackson, Kentucky.”

    11. His Parents Divorced When He was a Toddler
    Mr. Vance’s parents, Donald Bowman and Bev Vance, divorced when he was very young, leaving Mr. Vance to be raised by his mother.

    In “Hillbilly Elegy,” Mr. Bowman is described as having been largely absent from Mr. Vance’s life, though the two reconnected later in life.

    Mr. Vance says both of his parents struggled to maintain stability in their employment, both largely worked a series of odd jobs over the years.

    12. His Original Surname Was Bowman
    At birth, Mr. Vance was named James Donald Bowman.

    Later, Mr. Vance temporarily took on his stepfather’s surname, Hamel.

    Eventually, he settled on Vance, which belonged to his mother and grandparents.

    13. His Mother Suffered From Substance Abuse Issues
    Mr. Vance in his book recounts in detail his mother’s struggles with opioid addiction, including heroin.

    Mr. Vance notes that this is a familiar tale in Appalachia and the Rust Belt more broadly, with widespread pervasive hopelessness having become the norm for many.

    His mother’s struggles with addiction shaped his childhood, contributing to an often-fractious home life.

    14. He Lived With His Grandmother
    The struggles of home life, compounded by his mother’s struggles with drug addiction, eventually led to Mr. Vance living with his grandmother.

    His grandparents, James “Papaw” Vance and Bonnie “Mamaw” Vance, moved to Kentucky, unmarried and with child, in the 1940s, but ultimately divorced. They remained on good terms.

    In his memoir, Mr. Vance credits his time living with his grandmother while he was in high school with helping him to commit to his studies and, ultimately, escape the poverty he grew up in.

    15. His Grandparents Were Democrats
    Like many in the Rust Belt of the late 20th century, Mr. Vance’s grandparents were pro-union Democrats.

    Mr. Vance describes their attitude toward politics in “Hillbilly Elegy,” writing, “All politicians might be crooks, but if there were any exceptions, they were undoubtedly members of Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s New Deal coalition.”

    Mr. Vance said the exception was 1984, when his grandfather voted for President Ronald Reagan.

    16. He’s a Marine Corps. Iraq Combat vet
    Mr. Vance served in Iraq as a Marine combat correspondent during the mid-2000s.

    17. He Has a Dual Undergrad Degree From Ohio State University
    Mr. Vance has a dual undergraduate degree in political science and philosophy from Ohio State University. He graduated summa cum laude in 2009.

    18. He Earned a J.D. From Yale Law School
    Mr. Vance earned a juris doctorate from Yale Law School in 2013. While there, he met law professor Amy Chua, who persuaded him to write his memoir. Ms. Chua is known for her own best-selling memoir “Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother.”

    19. He Was an Editor of the Yale Law Journal
    While studying law, Mr. Vance served on the editorial staff of the Yale Law Journal.

    20. He’s Close With Peter Thiel
    After graduating from Yale Law School, Mr. Vance worked at the law firm Sidley Austin LLP before joining billionaire Peter Thiel’s Mithril Capital in San Francisco.

    Mr. Thiel later spent more than $10 million in support of Mr. Vance during his 2022 Senate run.

    21. He Was a Venture Capitalist
    Mr. Vance started Narya, based in Ohio, an “early-stage venture capital firm focused on using technology and science to solve for the future,” according to its website.

    22. He’s Sponsored Programs to Combat Drug Addiction
    In 2016, Mr. Vance left California and returned to Ohio, where he helped launch an effort to combat opioid abuse in the state.

    Called “Our Ohio Renewal,” the project was short-lived, and the online domain for the website is no longer accessible.

    23. He Was a CNN Contributor
    Mr. Vance was a contributor for CNN back in 2017.

    “This will be the first ever CNN commentator ever put on a presidential ticket,” CNN anchor Jake Tapper said on the air following the announcement of the pick.

    24. He Wasn’t Always Pro-Trump
    Years before being a staunch ally of former President Trump, Mr. Vance wrote an op-ed in the New York Times in which he called the former president “unfit for our nation’s highest office.”

    25. His Views Evolved After Trump Took Office
    Since 2016, Mr. Vance said his views on the former president have changed, and he’s recanted his statements from 2016.

    The reason for this, he said, was seeing how former President Trump handled the job.

    In a May interview with CNN, he told anchor Dana Bash, “I didn’t think he was going to be a good president, Dana, and I was very, very proud to be proven wrong. It’s one of the reasons why I’m working so hard to get him elected.”

    26. He Voted for Trump in 2020
    Given how his views had changed in the four years since 2016, Mr. Vance voted for President Trump in 2020.

    27. He Won a Tough Primary in a Crowded Field
    Mr. Vance won the 2022 GOP Senate primary amid a crowded field in Ohio to succeed retiring Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio).

    Boosted by former President Trump’s endorsement, he defeated former Ohio Treasurer Josh Mandel and Ohio state Sen. Matt Dolan.

    28. He Was Donald Trump Jr.’s Pick
    Mr. Vance developed a relationship with former President Trump’s oldest son during his 2022 Senate campaign, when the younger Trump campaigned for him.

    Since then, Mr. Trump has signaled that he favored Mr. Vance in the “veepstakes.”

    In a recent podcast episode, Mr. Trump said, “everyone knows, I’ve sort of been for J.D. Vance.”

    29 He’s Been in the Senate Since January 2023
    Mr. Vance has been in politics just over a year and a half, joining the Senate—his first political office—in January 2023.

    30. He Has a Conservative Voting Record
    Since joining the Senate, Mr. Vance has regularly voted with the most conservative wing of the Senate Republican conference on an array of key issues, from foreign aid to government finance.

    The political arm of the conservative think tank the Heritage Foundation rates Mr. Vance as voting with conservative positions 93 percent of the time.

    31. He Has Worked Across the Aisle on Legislation
    Mr. Vance has shown a willingness to work with Democrats on some major pieces of legislation.

    He and Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio) co-sponsored a rail safety bill following the derailment in East Palestine, Ohio. He also worked with Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) on a bill to claw-back executive pay from large failed banks.

    Neither of the bills has advanced to a vote on the Senate floor.

    32. He Serves on 3 Senate Panels
    In the Senate he serves on the Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs Committee; the Commerce, Science, and Transportation Committee; and the Special Committee on Aging.

    33. He Has a Hold on All DOJ Appointments
    In June 2023, Mr. Vance announced that he would use his power as a senator to place holds on all future nominees to the Department of Justice.

    He cited the department’s prosecutions against the former president as the reason for the hold.


    34. He Wants Abortion Left to the States
    Mr. Vance has indicated he supports leaving abortion to the states.

    He said that former President Trump’s “leave it to the states approach” is “pragmatic,” and endorsed the Supreme Court decision allowing mifepristone to continue being shipped.

    In 2022, Mr. Vance expressed support for Sen. Lindsey Graham’s (R-S.C.) 15-week abortion ban.

    In an interview that same year, Mr. Vance said, “I'd like it to be primarily a state issue.”

    35. He Spoke in Support of the 2023 United Auto Workers Strike
    Mr. Vance has spoken supportively of the 2023 United Auto Workers strike.

    Elsewhere, he’s said he supports collective bargaining “as an abstract matter.”

    36. He’s Critical of the Iraq War
    Though he served in the Iraq War, Mr. Vance has since been critical of the conflict, saying he made a “mistake” in initially supporting it.

    “I served my country honorably, and I saw when I went to Iraq that I had been lied to, that the promises of the foreign policy establishment of this country were a complete joke,” he said on the Senate floor in April.

    37. Critical of Ukraine Aid
    Mr. Vance has been critical of continued U.S. support for the war in Ukraine.

    Since taking office, he’s voted against every Ukraine aid package that’s come to the floor. He’s called for Europe to bear the brunt of financing the war.

    Mr. Vance wrote in an April op-ed for The New York Times that the current trajectory of the war is unsustainable for either the U.S. or Ukraine. He said that the notion that Ukraine will reclaim all its land lost to Russia is “fantastical.”


    38. Supports Israel Aid
    Mr. Vance supports aid to Israel.

    In a May 2024 speech at the Quincy Institute, Mr. Vance gave a contrast between supporting Israel and Ukraine.

    With Ukraine, he said, there’s “no strategic end in sight” and that the Europeans are not doing their fair share. But Israel, he said, is “doing the most important work to give us missile-defense parity.”

    He also opposed the 2015 Iran nuclear deal and applauded President Trump for withdrawing from it in 2018.

    39. He Says US Focus Should Be on China
    Mr. Vance has also taken a tough stance on China, encouraging the United States to focus its efforts there.

    Between war in Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan, Mr. Vance said, America has “to pick and choose” where it invests its resources.

    “We should be focused on our own problems, and that’s mostly China,” Mr. Vance said in April.

    “My argument is the Chinese are focused on real power. They’re not focused on how tough people talk on TV or how strong our alleged resolve is. They’re focused on how strong we actually are, and to be strong enough to push back against the Chinese, we’ve got to focus there, and right now, we’re stretched too thin.”
    I read this with great interest (and quoted it all! ), and it inspired me to look for a little more. So I watched this most interesting 11 minute clip of Megyn Kelly discussing Vance, (who she knows personally and of whom she is a great fan), looking back to her own interviews with him dating back to 2017.

    It may be useful, and I'd recommend it to anyone wanting to know a little more, as it's not at all impossible that Vance could inherit the US presidency in 2028. (That is, if the world and the US holds together that long!)

    Vance's story does indeed read like a 'Log Cabin to White House' movie script. It seems clear to me, based on what I believe I know so far, that he's sincere and has a great deal of integrity. But he's still very young (for a politician with influence!) and I'll watch with interest how he grows to adapt his views, as I suspect he will, about Big Pharma, Israel, Iran, Putin and China.

    Who is Trump's VP Pick J.D. Vance? Megyn Kelly Takes a Look at His Powerful Life Story

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    I appreciated Vance's appearances on Tucker's Fox show, which no doubt helped him get a foothold on real public awareness before winning a Senate seat.

    I tended to agree with his takes on Ukraine and other matters at that time.
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    Quote Posted by norman (here)
    Vance is a project of tech oligarch, Peter Thiel, who gave him $10 millioon for his 2022 Senatorial campaign.
    "millioon" -- is that like, even more than a bazillion ?

    From what I've noticed so far, Vance's connection with Thiel is concerning. Here's some research I did into this and related concerns, for a private project, a day ago:

    ===

    J D Vance made much of his money working with Peter Thiel of Palantir.

    ==> Palantir is a spin-off of the CIA's 's In-Q-Tel. <==

    Also, Elon Musk (who also has a history with Thiel - those two founded Paypal) just announced a major donation of $45 Million per month to the new Super political action committee "American PAC". Other backers of American PAC include Palantir.

    So Trump and JD Vance up to their financial eyeballs in Deep State funding, as evidenced by their above noted Palantir funding.

    ===

    In turn, the ongoing market activity in Bitcoins (CIA's DARPA created Bitcoin) and gold and silver coins, over the last decade or two suggests to me that the Deep State and their prime agent the CIA are up to no good. Let me explain.

    First - setting the stage:

    Back in the 1800's in the U.S., gold and silver coins were honest money. You could trade a coin for something of equal value with a neighbor, or a stranger, and it was no one else's damn business. And you could lead an ordinary life this way, directly with coins, or just one step removed with paper currency from some bank that you could routinely convert back and forth for coins, unless that particular issuing bank crashed.

    Leaping forward to the present:

    Nowadays, "returning" to a "gold backed currency" will mean converting:

    from using banking paper bills and computer bits that are "backed" by the mortgage on your neighbor's home (fraudulently accounted, so that $1 of real debt ends up "backing" $10 or $100 of "currency, ),

    to using banking paper bills and computer bits that are "backed" by the gold supposedly in their vaults (similarly fraudulently accounted).

    Same bank paper/bit sh*t; different sh*t story.

    It's a big con job, six ways from Sunday:

    Those of us who might have been enamored of the idea of using "real constitutional money" such old fashioned gold and silver coinage that can be routinely and frequently used all the time, are being bought out.

    "They" (the elite bastards) have and are setting up such liberty minded "constitutional money" advocates to make "lots of" (but still a lot less than Musk and Thiel handle) money buying Bitcoin and gold and silver coins while under the present debt-money system at a lower nominal price, and then selling those "coins" (bits or metal) back into the system after a major financial/monetary/... collapse and reset, for nicely bigger nominal prices (just to buy food and pay rent, perhaps).

    End result ... us liberty minded "constitutional money" advocates get bought off, for a mere pittance on the scale the elite bastards use, while all but a token few bits and coins end up back in the bank's computers and vaults.

    The big banks already have almost all the gold and silver (We guess ... they no longer honestly tell us what gold or silver they have.) The big money has also already bought up (or initially issued to the mythical Bitcoin creator Satoshi Nakamoto) most of the Bitcoins that will ever be issued. The banks will keep the "gold" and Bitcoins, while us peasants will continue to transact in digital and paper "receipts", at the pleasure and discretion of whoever really owns those banks. The banks never need worry again about being short of collateral for all the stock, bond and derivative paper they issue ... just mark up the claimed value of the bits and gold they claim to hold and, voila, they're rich again, and their balance sheet (which they never publish anyway) balances.

    Being allowed to earn "money" in a job, or to spend that "money" for such silly trinkets as food, clothing, and shelter will depend on "behaving", however their AI bots and DEI hires decide is "behaving".

    Next steps, if the Deep State wins this once again, over the coming months and year or three:

    (1) Get Trump elected with massive popular support, so that those who are proud to call themselves "Americans" will follow him into this Matrix without complaining too much.

    (2) Crash the financial, economic and monetary system, picking up most of the remaining Bitcoins and gold and silver coins from us HODL'ers who are getting sufficiently cold and hungry that we have to sell our stash to stay warm and eat.

    (3) Rebuild the financial, economic and monetary system, in accordance with the tyrant's wet dreams.

    And just in case you haven't noticed the hand of the tyrants behind this, listen to Catherine Austin Fitts and Joseph P. Farrell discuss "World War II, the CIA, BIS, CERN, and 9/11 — Nazi Germany to Nazi Internaltional" in their new show on the Rumble channel "Americans Untied Against the New World Order":
    ===

    Back to Thiel, Vance, et al.

    Another Peter Thiel investment — human plasma as an antiaging treatment, noted in this Science article from 2016:

    Also, between 2016 and 2017, J D Vance served as a principal at Peter Thiel's firm, Mithril Capital.
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    Thanks all, for revealing bits and pieces of what may be happening 'underground'.

    Some points, from a country with 1000 kilometers of border with Russia, with population of only 5M,
    provoking war with it, advised and now controlled by NATO etc.

    1) Trump and Vance may not be ideal, but they seem FAR better than competition.

    2) Trump-Vance may well be 'sleepers', in Q sense: They are still weak, and they must pretend and obey in this-and-that.

    3) Putin was an obvious 'sleeper' in his early years, and has very slowly changed direction.

    4) Xi (China) seems to have done the same as Putin.

    Earthly paradise is not quickly at hand, but I feel DIRECTION is changing.


    Edit: If the direction does not reverse, woke US boys and pink-haired girls SHALL travel to another continent to die for a reason they don't comprehend.
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    https://x.com/RubinReport/status/1813644442173329629



    That was the signal.

    Now it’s just a matter of when… https://t.co/vWh2BHzONY

    — Dave Rubin (@RubinReport) July 17, 2024


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    https://x.com/WarClandestine/status/1813668557148004411



    ⚠️MUST WATCH⚠️

    New ad just posted by the Trump campaign, and it is electric!

    Lots of storm imagery and they highlight Trump’s rally where he says he will “totally obliterate the Deep State”.

    Trump is ready to finish this shadow war.

    We are so back!

    — Clandestine (@WarClandestine) July 17, 2024
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    insert eye roll here



    President Joe Biden tests positive for COVID-19 while campaigning in Las Vegas

    President Joe Biden has tested positive for the coronavirus, according to a speaker at the UnidosUS annual conference broadcast on the White House’s YouTube channel



    By AAMER MADHANI – Associated Press
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    LAS VEGAS (AP) — President Joe Biden has tested positive for the coronavirus, according to a speaker at the UnidosUS annual conference broadcast on the White House's YouTube channel.

    Biden was slated to speak at the event in Las Vegas Wednesday afternoon as part of an effort to rally Hispanic voters ahead of the November election. Unidos US President and CEO Janet Murguía told the guests that the president had sent his regrets and could not appear because he tested positive for the virus.

    The president had previously been at the Original Lindo Michoacan restaurant in Las Vegas, where he was greeting diners and was scheduled to have an interview with Univision.
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    Biden's Shocking Admission Signals Imminent Departure from Oval Office
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    (I'm not so sure this interpretation of Biden's reputed illness is accurate, but it shouldn't be long before we know.
    I'm surprised they didn't claim he has "bird flu" since they will be pushing a new vaxx it seems, and what a great opportunity this would be. )

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    Vance could be the proverbial Manchurian Candidate, with those Deep State ties and that hokey outer layer of Kentucky country boy making a perfect cover.
    He could flip and flop even more, and who knows where he might end up...

    Quote Posted by ThePythonicCow (here)
    From what I've noticed so far, Vance's connection with Thiel is concerning. Here's some research I did into this and related concerns, for a private project, a day ago:

    ===

    J D Vance made much of his money working with Peter Thiel of Palantir.

    ==> Palantir is a spin-off of the CIA's 's In-Q-Tel. <==

    Also, Elon Musk (who also has a history with Thiel - those two founded Paypal) just announced a major donation of $45 Million per month to the new Super political action committee "American PAC". Other backers of American PAC include Palantir.

    So Trump and JD Vance up to their financial eyeballs in Deep State funding, as evidenced by their above noted Palantir funding.

    ===

    In turn, the ongoing market activity in Bitcoins (CIA's DARPA created Bitcoin) and gold and silver coins, over the last decade or two suggests to me that the Deep State and their prime agent the CIA are up to no good. Let me explain.

    First - setting the stage:

    Back in the 1800's in the U.S., gold and silver coins were honest money. You could trade a coin for something of equal value with a neighbor, or a stranger, and it was no one else's damn business. And you could lead an ordinary life this way, directly with coins, or just one step removed with paper currency from some bank that you could routinely convert back and forth for coins, unless that particular issuing bank crashed.

    Leaping forward to the present:

    Nowadays, "returning" to a "gold backed currency" will mean converting:

    from using banking paper bills and computer bits that are "backed" by the mortgage on your neighbor's home (fraudulently accounted, so that $1 of real debt ends up "backing" $10 or $100 of "currency, ),

    to using banking paper bills and computer bits that are "backed" by the gold supposedly in their vaults (similarly fraudulently accounted).

    Same bank paper/bit sh*t; different sh*t story.

    It's a big con job, six ways from Sunday:

    Those of us who might have been enamored of the idea of using "real constitutional money" such old fashioned gold and silver coinage that can be routinely and frequently used all the time, are being bought out.

    "They" (the elite bastards) have and are setting up such liberty minded "constitutional money" advocates to make "lots of" (but still a lot less than Musk and Thiel handle) money buying Bitcoin and gold and silver coins while under the present debt-money system at a lower nominal price, and then selling those "coins" (bits or metal) back into the system after a major financial/monetary/... collapse and reset, for nicely bigger nominal prices (just to buy food and pay rent, perhaps).

    End result ... us liberty minded "constitutional money" advocates get bought off, for a mere pittance on the scale the elite bastards use, while all but a token few bits and coins end up back in the bank's computers and vaults.

    The big banks already have almost all the gold and silver (We guess ... they no longer honestly tell us what gold or silver they have.) The big money has also already bought up (or initially issued to the mythical Bitcoin creator Satoshi Nakamoto) most of the Bitcoins that will ever be issued. The banks will keep the "gold" and Bitcoins, while us peasants will continue to transact in digital and paper "receipts", at the pleasure and discretion of whoever really owns those banks. The banks never need worry again about being short of collateral for all the stock, bond and derivative paper they issue ... just mark up the claimed value of the bits and gold they claim to hold and, voila, they're rich again, and their balance sheet (which they never publish anyway) balances.

    Being allowed to earn "money" in a job, or to spend that "money" for such silly trinkets as food, clothing, and shelter will depend on "behaving", however their AI bots and DEI hires decide is "behaving".

    Next steps, if the Deep State wins this once again, over the coming months and year or three:

    (1) Get Trump elected with massive popular support, so that those who are proud to call themselves "Americans" will follow him into this Matrix without complaining too much.

    (2) Crash the financial, economic and monetary system, picking up most of the remaining Bitcoins and gold and silver coins from us HODL'ers who are getting sufficiently cold and hungry that we have to sell our stash to stay warm and eat.

    (3) Rebuild the financial, economic and monetary system, in accordance with the tyrant's wet dreams.

    And just in case you haven't noticed the hand of the tyrants behind this, listen to Catherine Austin Fitts and Joseph P. Farrell discuss "World War II, the CIA, BIS, CERN, and 9/11 — Nazi Germany to Nazi Internaltional" in their new show on the Rumble channel "Americans Untied Against the New World Order":
    ===

    Back to Thiel, Vance, et al.

    Another Peter Thiel investment — human plasma as an antiaging treatment, noted in this Science article from 2016:

    Also, between 2016 and 2017, J D Vance served as a principal at Peter Thiel's firm, Mithril Capital.
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    Good chance Biden steps aside this weekend. The fun would then begin. Harris is the favorite to take the top spot. But there will be plenty of time to dislodge her. Her numbers are just as bad as Biden's against Trump. And if they do not, who is her VP pick?

    I'm watching the PA Governor as the go-to guy....

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    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...ting-party-too

    Kamala Nomination Odds Soar After Reports Biden To Drop Out This Weekend

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    THURSDAY, JUL 18, 2024 - 10:25 AM
    Update (1130ET): It appears the situation is escalating fast in Democratic Party central this morning.

    Axios reports that President Biden may decide to drop out of the presidential race as soon as this weekend, according to several top Democrats who believe the rising pressure will persuade the incumbent.

    The 81-year-old president, now self-isolating with COVID, remains publicly dug in.

    But privately he's resigned to mounting pressure, bad polls, and untenable scrutiny making it impossible to continue his campaign, the Democrats tell us.

    Others are reporting similar narratives and timelines building...


    ....

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    Tucker Carlson: "Every Bad Person I've Ever Met In A Lifetime In Washington Was Aligned Against J.D. Vance"

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    Tucker Carlson, speaking yesterday at the Heritage Foundation’s “Policy Fest” at the Republican National Committee in Milwaukee, made the case for U.S. Sen. J.D. Vance (R-Ohio), who was announced yesterday as former President Donald Trump’s running mate:

    So now J. D. Vance is the VP pick, and I think every person who pays close attention has got to be thrilled by that.

    And if you don’t know much about J. D. Vance, I’m not even going to make a case for J. D. Vance. I’m going to tell you what I just saw, which is that every bad person I’ve ever met in a lifetime in Washington was aligned against J.D. Vance.

    And I do think the negative case is often more powerful, because I know of myself, I do not think I’m a particularly good person. I have strong reasons for feeling that way. I don’t always think that my side is right. I know for a fact I have been wrong many, many times. And I hope to correct and be honest about my error.

    So it’s not like I think that, you know, always, you know, God’s always on my side. Sometimes I’m not on God’s side. But I definitely know who’s representing the other side. It’s a lot easier to tell who the people who are only in it because they like, I don’t know, killing other people in pointless wars.

    Like, I know who those people are, and their odor is so powerful that I can smell one when he walks in the room. And every single one of those people in a line that would extend from Milwaukee to Chicago was lined up over the last week to knife J. D. Vance.


    Not on personal grounds, I mean, he’s a perfectly nice guy, he’s like one of the only members of the Senate with a happy marriage. True.

    But because they thought he would be harder to manipulate and slightly less enthusiastic about killing people. That’s it. That he would be an impediment to their exercising power. And boy, they went after him in a way I’ve just kind of never seen. Which I think happens every day in Washington. I just don’t have advantage on it because I’m far, far away and grateful to be.

    Watch the full address here:



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    Nothing makes sense, unless Tucker really is CIA after all.
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    https://x.com/kylenabecker/status/1813981400573661427



    "Barack Obama has told allies in recent days that President Biden’s path to victory has greatly diminished and he thinks the president needs to seriously consider the viability of his candidacy."

    "Operation: Push Biden Out" is kicking into high gear

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    https://x.com/kylenabecker/status/1813980369735283051

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    It is all too true.
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    BREAKING:


    BIDEN COULD DROP OUT THIS WEEKEND

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    combining some posts here to comment on this

    Quote Posted by ThePythonicCow (here)
    Quote Posted by norman (here)
    Vance is a project of tech oligarch, Peter Thiel, who gave him $10 millioon for his 2022 Senatorial campaign.
    "millioon" -- is that like, even more than a bazillion ?

    From what I've noticed so far, Vance's connection with Thiel is concerning. Here's some research I did into this and related concerns, for a private project, a day ago:

    ===

    J D Vance made much of his money working with Peter Thiel of Palantir.

    ==> Palantir is a spin-off of the CIA's 's In-Q-Tel. <==

    Also, Elon Musk (who also has a history with Thiel - those two founded Paypal) just announced a major donation of $45 Million per month to the new Super political action committee "American PAC". Other backers of American PAC include Palantir.

    So Trump and JD Vance up to their financial eyeballs in Deep State funding, as evidenced by their above noted Palantir funding.

    ===

    In turn, the ongoing market activity in Bitcoins (CIA's DARPA created Bitcoin) and gold and silver coins, over the last decade or two suggests to me that the Deep State and their prime agent the CIA are up to no good. Let me explain.

    First - setting the stage:

    Back in the 1800's in the U.S., gold and silver coins were honest money. You could trade a coin for something of equal value with a neighbor, or a stranger, and it was no one else's damn business. And you could lead an ordinary life this way, directly with coins, or just one step removed with paper currency from some bank that you could routinely convert back and forth for coins, unless that particular issuing bank crashed.

    Leaping forward to the present:

    Nowadays, "returning" to a "gold backed currency" will mean converting:

    from using banking paper bills and computer bits that are "backed" by the mortgage on your neighbor's home (fraudulently accounted, so that $1 of real debt ends up "backing" $10 or $100 of "currency, ),

    to using banking paper bills and computer bits that are "backed" by the gold supposedly in their vaults (similarly fraudulently accounted).

    Same bank paper/bit sh*t; different sh*t story.

    It's a big con job, six ways from Sunday:

    Those of us who might have been enamored of the idea of using "real constitutional money" such old fashioned gold and silver coinage that can be routinely and frequently used all the time, are being bought out.

    "They" (the elite bastards) have and are setting up such liberty minded "constitutional money" advocates to make "lots of" (but still a lot less than Musk and Thiel handle) money buying Bitcoin and gold and silver coins while under the present debt-money system at a lower nominal price, and then selling those "coins" (bits or metal) back into the system after a major financial/monetary/... collapse and reset, for nicely bigger nominal prices (just to buy food and pay rent, perhaps).

    End result ... us liberty minded "constitutional money" advocates get bought off, for a mere pittance on the scale the elite bastards use, while all but a token few bits and coins end up back in the bank's computers and vaults.

    The big banks already have almost all the gold and silver (We guess ... they no longer honestly tell us what gold or silver they have.) The big money has also already bought up (or initially issued to the mythical Bitcoin creator Satoshi Nakamoto) most of the Bitcoins that will ever be issued. The banks will keep the "gold" and Bitcoins, while us peasants will continue to transact in digital and paper "receipts", at the pleasure and discretion of whoever really owns those banks. The banks never need worry again about being short of collateral for all the stock, bond and derivative paper they issue ... just mark up the claimed value of the bits and gold they claim to hold and, voila, they're rich again, and their balance sheet (which they never publish anyway) balances.

    Being allowed to earn "money" in a job, or to spend that "money" for such silly trinkets as food, clothing, and shelter will depend on "behaving", however their AI bots and DEI hires decide is "behaving".

    Next steps, if the Deep State wins this once again, over the coming months and year or three:

    (1) Get Trump elected with massive popular support, so that those who are proud to call themselves "Americans" will follow him into this Matrix without complaining too much.

    (2) Crash the financial, economic and monetary system, picking up most of the remaining Bitcoins and gold and silver coins from us HODL'ers who are getting sufficiently cold and hungry that we have to sell our stash to stay warm and eat.

    (3) Rebuild the financial, economic and monetary system, in accordance with the tyrant's wet dreams.

    And just in case you haven't noticed the hand of the tyrants behind this, listen to Catherine Austin Fitts and Joseph P. Farrell discuss "World War II, the CIA, BIS, CERN, and 9/11 — Nazi Germany to Nazi Internaltional" in their new show on the Rumble channel "Americans Untied Against the New World Order":
    ===

    Back to Thiel, Vance, et al.

    Another Peter Thiel investment — human plasma as an antiaging treatment, noted in this Science article from 2016:

    Also, between 2016 and 2017, J D Vance served as a principal at Peter Thiel's firm, Mithril Capital.


    Quote Posted by mountain_jim (here)
    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    Or is Vance Deep State?
    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    Vance could be the proverbial Manchurian Candidate, with those Deep State ties and that hokey outer layer of Kentucky country boy making a perfect cover.
    He could flip and flop even more, and who knows where he might end up...

    Quote Posted by ThePythonicCow (here)
    From what I've noticed so far, Vance's connection with Thiel is concerning. Here's some research I did into this and related concerns, for a private project, a day ago:

    ===

    J D Vance made much of his money working with Peter Thiel of Palantir.

    ==> Palantir is a spin-off of the CIA's 's In-Q-Tel. <==

    Also, Elon Musk (who also has a history with Thiel - those two founded Paypal) just announced a major donation of $45 Million per month to the new Super political action committee "American PAC". Other backers of American PAC include Palantir.

    So Trump and JD Vance up to their financial eyeballs in Deep State funding, as evidenced by their above noted Palantir funding.

    ===

    In turn, the ongoing market activity in Bitcoins (CIA's DARPA created Bitcoin) and gold and silver coins, over the last decade or two suggests to me that the Deep State and their prime agent the CIA are up to no good. Let me explain.

    First - setting the stage:

    Back in the 1800's in the U.S., gold and silver coins were honest money. You could trade a coin for something of equal value with a neighbor, or a stranger, and it was no one else's damn business. And you could lead an ordinary life this way, directly with coins, or just one step removed with paper currency from some bank that you could routinely convert back and forth for coins, unless that particular issuing bank crashed.

    Leaping forward to the present:

    Nowadays, "returning" to a "gold backed currency" will mean converting:

    from using banking paper bills and computer bits that are "backed" by the mortgage on your neighbor's home (fraudulently accounted, so that $1 of real debt ends up "backing" $10 or $100 of "currency, ),

    to using banking paper bills and computer bits that are "backed" by the gold supposedly in their vaults (similarly fraudulently accounted).

    Same bank paper/bit sh*t; different sh*t story.

    It's a big con job, six ways from Sunday:

    Those of us who might have been enamored of the idea of using "real constitutional money" such old fashioned gold and silver coinage that can be routinely and frequently used all the time, are being bought out.

    "They" (the elite bastards) have and are setting up such liberty minded "constitutional money" advocates to make "lots of" (but still a lot less than Musk and Thiel handle) money buying Bitcoin and gold and silver coins while under the present debt-money system at a lower nominal price, and then selling those "coins" (bits or metal) back into the system after a major financial/monetary/... collapse and reset, for nicely bigger nominal prices (just to buy food and pay rent, perhaps).

    End result ... us liberty minded "constitutional money" advocates get bought off, for a mere pittance on the scale the elite bastards use, while all but a token few bits and coins end up back in the bank's computers and vaults.

    The big banks already have almost all the gold and silver (We guess ... they no longer honestly tell us what gold or silver they have.) The big money has also already bought up (or initially issued to the mythical Bitcoin creator Satoshi Nakamoto) most of the Bitcoins that will ever be issued. The banks will keep the "gold" and Bitcoins, while us peasants will continue to transact in digital and paper "receipts", at the pleasure and discretion of whoever really owns those banks. The banks never need worry again about being short of collateral for all the stock, bond and derivative paper they issue ... just mark up the claimed value of the bits and gold they claim to hold and, voila, they're rich again, and their balance sheet (which they never publish anyway) balances.

    Being allowed to earn "money" in a job, or to spend that "money" for such silly trinkets as food, clothing, and shelter will depend on "behaving", however their AI bots and DEI hires decide is "behaving".

    Next steps, if the Deep State wins this once again, over the coming months and year or three:

    (1) Get Trump elected with massive popular support, so that those who are proud to call themselves "Americans" will follow him into this Matrix without complaining too much.

    (2) Crash the financial, economic and monetary system, picking up most of the remaining Bitcoins and gold and silver coins from us HODL'ers who are getting sufficiently cold and hungry that we have to sell our stash to stay warm and eat.

    (3) Rebuild the financial, economic and monetary system, in accordance with the tyrant's wet dreams.

    And just in case you haven't noticed the hand of the tyrants behind this, listen to Catherine Austin Fitts and Joseph P. Farrell discuss "World War II, the CIA, BIS, CERN, and 9/11 — Nazi Germany to Nazi Internaltional" in their new show on the Rumble channel "Americans Untied Against the New World Order":
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    Back to Thiel, Vance, et al.

    Another Peter Thiel investment — human plasma as an antiaging treatment, noted in this Science article from 2016:

    Also, between 2016 and 2017, J D Vance served as a principal at Peter Thiel's firm, Mithril Capital.
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    Tucker Carlson: "Every Bad Person I've Ever Met In A Lifetime In Washington Was Aligned Against J.D. Vance"
    This is an interesting insight - and I think an important one - thanks for posting it. Because when Vance was picked, the first thing I asked was, who the heck is JD Vance? A Washington outsider by the sounds of it, and that's just who Trump needs around him. He can't afford a repeat of his previous term when he put himself knee-deep in the swamp. Pretty-sure the knife wounds they left in his back are still sore, especially the one delivered by Mike Pence.

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    Yes Onawah - his background support from Peter Thiel and certain segments of Big Tech is concerning, and bears watching if/when he gets any powers.

    However, I remain on team Musk for the time being as his purchase of Twitter/X and exposure of the censorship has had more to do with waking folks up to the heavy-handed narratives-control than anything else recently.

    This platform also allows the potential concerns about Vance to be spread rapidly as well - Whitney Webb is doing just that:


    https://x.com/patel_patriot/status/1814056117900583080




    Whitney Webb
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    NEW - JD Vance owes his entire career to Peter Thiel, who helped create the domestic terror panopticon for the CIA that targets Trump supporters and detractors alike


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    Thiel created Palantir to rescue Total Information Awareness, a DARPA surveillance program created by the same people behind the "continuity of govt" protocols to suspend the Constitution and round up "unfriendly" Americans during a national crisis.
    Whitney Webb
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    The database w those "unfriendly" Americans still exists and the last report on it from 2008 stated that it contained the names of 3 million Americans. It still exists and Thiel's Palantir, also now funding the Trump-Vance ticket directly, decides who goes on the list
    Whitney Webb
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    Thiel helped resurrect another DARPA surveillance program called LifeLog, using his early investment in Facebook to mold the social network to serve LifeLog's original purpose. LifeLog was closed down the same day Facebook launched.
    Whitney Webb
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    Palantir's first funder was the CIA's In-Q-tel and the CIA was their only client until 2008. One CIA official involved in guiding Palantir's early years, Alan Wade, is a former business partner of Ghislaine Maxwell's sister Christine in the company Chiliad.
    Whitney Webb
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    Other Thiel-funded and -backed companies like Clearview AI use the fact that they helped ID and imprison those present at the Capitol on January 6, 2021 as part of their sales pitch. After Jan 6, Clearview's business w law enforcement grew by 26%
    Whitney Webb
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    While Thiel has been described as "libretarian" or "alt-right", Palantir CEO Alex Karp told the NYT in 2020 that his long-held fear that the American "far right" would murder him for being Jewish "propels" a lot of decisions made at the company
    Whitney Webb
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    Palantir is also a major driver of pre-crime and "predictive policing". Another Thiel-backed company Carbyne911 seeks to bring pre-crime to 911 call centers. Carbyne is intimately tied to Israeli intelligence and received at least $1 million in funding from Jeffrey Epstein
    Whitney Webb
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    There's a lot more in the article, but Thiel is due to be hugely influential in a 2nd Trump administration, esp now that Vance is his VP. The fact that Thiel built the tools for the CIA to target dissent from left and right based on online activity should concern everyone.
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    The British media and political class have started normalising Trump and his isolationist running mate J.D. Vance, thinking they might win in November. In reality this ticket poses a profound threat to our security, economy and Rule of Law. I hope we are planning accordingly.


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    You mean like hoping the Biden campaign is paying an ex-spy to create some kind of dossier full of fake allegations that Trump is a Russian asset? A dossier that can then be seeded throughout the news media to create a perception Trump must be compromised by a foreign power?

    And hiding the payments for the construction of that fake dossier by running the money through a law firm as legal expenses?

    That kind of plan?

    I understand you have some EXPERIENCE about this kind of thing...



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