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    Quote Posted by mountain_jim (here)
    Quote It's a solid overview, but falls short of a professional and comprehensive analysis. That would require experts, state-of-the-art tools, and a great deal of time. Also (I imagine) repeated experiments, on location, testing distances, different weapons and different audio signatures, to prove or disprove a hypothesis.

    Also, according to some of the feedback I've read (of the above video) he hasn't accounted for at least two important data-points.
    The audio is derived from two different locations, which would skew the timing of the sound as it reached the camera. Different sample rates would also offset timing.
    Trump's microphone was being projected over speakers, which could account for some of the echo effects.

    Well this was from the CCN article on 7/15, comes pretty close to what Chris is stating, while citing 3 different researchers, 2 of which appear to confirm the multiple shooters from their analysis.

    Not comprehensive but professional per credentials, it appears to me.

    Now we wait for a deeper dive by experts to prove or disprove this great start.



    https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-ne...059a2dff21a270

    5:10 a.m. EDT, July 15, 2024
    Audio forensics suggest as many as three weapons fired at Trump rally
    From CNN’s Gianluca Mezzofiore and Avery Schmitz

    Forensic analysis suggests that as many as three weapons were fired at the Trump rally in Butler, Pennsylvania on Saturday.

    The FBI said Sunday that the shooter acted alone.

    The first three shots were consistent with alleged weapon A, the next five were consistent with alleged weapon B, and the final “acoustic impulse” was emitted by a possible weapon C, per audio analysis by Catalin Grigoras, director of the National Center for Media Forensics at the University of Colorado in Denver, and Cole Whitecotton, Senior Professional Research Associate at the same institution.

    Audio analysis has also confirmed that the gunman was about 360 to 393 feet from the podium, according to forensics expert Robert Maher.

    This conclusion aligns with CNN’s analysis that the gunman was on a rooftop 393 to 492 feet from the podium when shots rang out.

    The shots exemplify a “crack-pop” sequence, typical when a supersonic bullet passes a microphone, before the “arrival of the corresponding muzzle blast sound,” Maher, who teaches audio forensics at Montana State University, told CNN.

    The time between these markers places the shooter 110 to 120 meters from the microphone, Maher said, assuming the bullet is moving at an average speed of 800 to 1,000 meters per second, the equivalent of 2,600 to 3,280 feet per second.

    CNN’s Hannah Rabinowitz, Evan Perez, and Ryan Young contributed reporting.
    Mike Adams does a very good forensic acoustic analysis of, by his reckoning, the 7 incoming shots. That is, the incoming rounds. “Crack-boom.” The bullets intended for the target are well within the range of all three locations and the bullets are traveling much faster than the speed of sound. Thus , the bullets pass by some, and arrive somewhere else for others, in the target area and make the “crack” sound followed immediately by the “report” sound. That is, the “boom” sound from the barrel of the weapon. You can hear this in the audio.

    He concludes that shots were fired from three different locations.

    I do recommend listening to Adam’s analysis on his programs. Brighteon is typically a good place to visit.

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    I'm bumping this post because I think I found something unbelievable and rather beyond coincidence......see below

    Quote Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
    Quote Posted by Mark (Star Mariner) (here)
    Quote Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Chris Martenson has a new daily update coming up 40 minutes from now. (He's doing just what he did at the start of the Covid outbreak in Jan 2020, with information-rich daily reports, and he's deservedly getting a LOT of views.)

    Audio Analysis is 100% Clear: Trump & Crowd Were Shot at by Two Separate People

    Holy crap! This is exactly what I said yesterday in post #511

    From post #511

    Quote What if???????????? (PURE SPECULATION)

    What if that first kill shot actually came from inside the building through one of the windows directly below the shooter, likely the window to his left? Perhaps it was the first 2 or 3 shots. Trump got his ear clipped and the crane also got hit.
    What if the quick burst of shots actually came from the shooter on the roof and were the bullets that hit the people in the stands?
    Last shot was from the sniper on the "south roof" behind Trump that took the shooter on the roof out?

    Yes, my mind is probably over-thinking this and probably quite scrambled after so many hours of studying this whole event. But, at this point and after so many completely insane and ridiculous developments, I honestly believe anything is possible.
    It's a very good suggestion, and a highly plausible one. I managed to find a large, high quality image of the area, and with it created the graphic below depicting a scenario where the second shooter may, hypothetically, have been located -- in the window at the far end of the building.

    The sight-line matches up closely with the bullet that struck Trump's ear, and the spectators in the bleachers who were, with fine margins, right on that line.

    Link for larger: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/att...3&d=1721398288
    Thanks for posting this photo.

    The first bullet or 2 that clipped Trumps ear also hit a bystander and railing in the bleachers possibly ricocheting and blowing the hydraulics in the crane in the 6 o'clock position of the photo.

    If you lay a straight edge on the photo lining up with the 3rd window from the right of the building, well, it lines up better in my mind.

    If there was a second shooter my guess would be that he was shooting from the second or third window from the right, likely the third, which is also more in alignment with the shooter on the roof, Trump, and Crane area.

    I think the kid on the roof is the one that hit those high in the bleachers where to my knowledge Cory was. The 1st 3 shots were more spaced and controlled it seems, the shot burst after sounded more sporadic IMO.
    See where I wrote in my earlier post highlighted in red? about a second shooter being in the 3rd window from the right directly below where Crooks was up on the roof?????

    Well, I found a video clip of Crooks walking directly to that 3rd window and basically looking right into it! The window actually appears to be cracked open towards the inside. It appears then he stands there for a very short period like he's waiting for something (like instructions/orders?) and then walks off. It wasn't long after that that he was next seen up on the roof.

    Is this just a coincidence???????????????????????????????

    The section in this video showing Crooks walk directly to this window is in the video below during the time 24:11 thru 25:23 in the video.

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    We were told Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone—that was a lie.

    We were told Sirhan Sirhan acted alone—that was a lie.

    We were told James Earl Ray acted alone—that was a lie.

    Now we are being told Thomas Matthew Crooks acted alone.

    Do you believe them? Here’s why you shouldn't.

    The Trump assassination attempt reeks of foul play, and the world can smell it.

    Dr. Chris Martenson has recently presented “rock solid audio proof that there were AT LEAST TWO shooters targeting Trump and the crowd.”

    This is no longer a fringe “conspiracy theory” because even CNN has acknowledged the presence of gunfire from three distinct weapons: Three shots from Crooks (A), one from the countersniper (C), and five from the mysterious “Weapon B.”

    Watch this nine-minute video as @chrismartenson
    meticulously breaks down the audio evidence. The following is a summary of Dr. Martenson’s findings:

    There were at least two distinctly different [unfriendly] weapons being fired.

    • First three shots were further away than the weapon(s) that fired the next 5-7 shots.

    • Sonic cracks tell us that they were also fired at Trump’s & audience’s direction (and weren’t taking out Crooks, eg).

    • This means that the “lone shooter” story is 100% false.

    As such, Dr. Martenson concludes, “So this tells us that this was a full-on operation.”

    “These are the questions that need to be asked. I fear for my safety and everybody else’s safety for coming out with this stuff because one thing we know is they don’t like loose ends in these stories. But man, they bollocksed this operation up really badly. Whoever was in charge of it is probably already floating in a river. I don’t know what’s going to happen to them because they really messed this operation up.”
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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    But the way to reach that can't be seen on the photo.
    If you go to these coordinates in Google Map, 40.85918083715413, -79.969816963291, in the northeast corner of the AGR parking lot just south of Whitestown Rd, you can see a ladder up to the platform around the circumference, on the north, outside edge, of the northern most of the four main legs. The water tower will be 300 feet southeast of this parking lot location, at these Google Map coordinates.
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    Senator Josh Hawley went to the Butler rally site today and said the FBI has the place locked down and more secure right now than it was when Trump was there. They told him he couldn't be there and made him leave!
    The cover up is in full swing!
    They are basically sending a message that it's open season on Trump and no one can do a damn thing about it......

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    CIC Trump, " I'LL TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED "



    Some entertaining thoughts from the one and only Hulk Hogan, I think Hulk Hogan is is going to do a Rambo and single handedly take down the deep state.



    Dana Whites thoughts on CIC Trump, .



    CIC Trump final thoughts on the assassination attempt.

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    Bill Maher Confronts Pete Buttigieg on Massive Security Failure in Trump Shooting

    “Should Joe Biden have fired the Secret Service head? ... I’ve seen people fired for less, and it just looks bad.”

    “It looks like, ‘Well, the other guy from the other party got shot. We’ll look into it if we have time.’”

    PETE BUTTIGIEG: “Everything that led up to that moment, that horrible moment, is under a microscope. And I believe that President Biden and the administration will do the right thing.”

    BILL MAHER: “But you didn’t need a microscope to see it. The guy was on the roof, like, not that far away with a rifle for a long time.”
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    The FBI is crooked, right ?

    Crooks is a deep state greenhouse variety patsy, probably ?

    We don't yet have his history of being built into what he is now but we are likely to end up finding influences and handlers over a lengthy period.

    We're getting the crooked FBI's "look what we just found" drip drip drip . . . . .

    First it was an Iranian connection. Not really, but they name drop Iran into the story of his unusual low social media use but foreign encrypted comms instead.

    Now they are dropping the use of a drone into their drip feed to the public.

    At this rate, you can pick anything the power grabbers of the world want to demonize and you can predict they are going to weave it into this Crooks story even if it wasn't already in his greenhouse plant food.

    The use of drones by the public is a huge concern to them. I've recently been following a youtube channel all about the legislative landscape and fast moving restrictive clampdowns on drone use even for such innocent things as making amazing video footage for travel and hobby videos. In a nutshell, "Drones Are Bad" is on a par with "Orange Man Bad".

    So they found a drone in Crooks' car/van and say he flew it over the rally site to scope it out.

    Already we have 'guns bad', 'Iran bad', 'drones bad'. What's coming next ?

    The FBI has already taken over control of all future press conferences from the Butler police.

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    Quote Posted by ThePythonicCow (here)
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    But the way to reach that can't be seen on the photo.
    If you go to these coordinates in Google Map, 40.85918083715413, -79.969816963291, in the northeast corner of the AGR parking lot just south of Whitestown Rd, you can see a ladder up to the platform around the circumference, on the north, outside edge, of the northern most of the four main legs. The water tower will be 300 feet southeast of this parking lot location, at these Google Map coordinates.
    Attachment 53410
    I still am not quite convinced on the water tower angle as part of the plot but am not entirely ruling it out.

    This footage shot from the bleacher behind Trump shows the tower at around 24 seconds in at 6.10 PM and I suppose could be used as a reference although there aren't sufficient frames there to be certain of any human activity. May be worth a look? Still, the 'tower' maybe a distraction...



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    This account has a lot of interesting posts about the attempt (as well as Jan 6th pipe bomber, Las Vegas FBI involvement with Haddock, ATT data wipes/restores) but I have not seen this one yet - just now looking

    but I have not had time to evaluate to what degree this guy is real vs larper - this link indicates issues with past claims (2023)

    https://opoyi.com/usa/who-is-tony-se...india-company/

    update - found the X post from above (he claims a level of access to current cell-phone and vehicle data that I have to wonder whether its real or not)

    https://x.com/TonySeruga/status/1814294910339895401



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    We have tracked the black SUV that had picked up our phantom water tower sniper that escaped using a zip line via the backside of the water tower into the trees and then on foot a short jaunt to Meridian Road. With 💯 confidence, based on cell phone data, that particular sniper was FBI and the SUV was registered to the Department of Agriculture.







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    There are a number of videos documenting these ghost buses as well as a number of mostly nondescript DOJ vans that dropped off ninja wearing individuals that appear in other videos to have breached the Capitol cutting fencing, removing barricades, opening doors, and other nefarious behaviors.

    We also tracked the infamous J6 ‘pipe bomber’ from one of these vans. Later, we eventually tracked them to a Virginia Metro station where a perfect capture of their vehicle license plate was made.

    The FBI has ALL of this information. Shortly after they were alerted, however, AT&T mysteriously ‘accidentally’ corrupted that and only that particular cell phone user’s data.

    Additionally, their mobile device was used hundreds of times before and after J6 accessing keycard required DOJ/FBI parking garages and buildings.

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    https://x.com/TonySeruga/status/1814322120094278080




    Tony Seruga
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    Confirming the 3 individuals the ‘shooter’ was communicating with via text using one of his two devices, were not only in the crowd but appear to be in the bleachers behind President Trump. AT&T corrupted, deleted and then restored the corrupt data of these contacts approximately 30 minutes before the FBI accessed the data. Like J6 ‘pipe bomber’ was AT&T directed by DIA? FYI—and any reference to offshore encrypted accounts are likely a diversion and an attempt to manufacture motive/evidence?


    https://x.com/TonySeruga/status/1814329742268760328




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    The shooter visited the rally location five times in the week leading up to the rally. Three times exiting his Hyundai Sonata and walking the area, even on one visit entering the American Glass Research corporate offices located at 603 Evans City Rd, for approximately 6 minutes, and then walking to the American Glass Research building located at 615 Whitestown Rd, where it appears he went into the building spending approximately 12 minutes there, departing and immediately driving to Meridian Lanes bowling alley where the data indicates he spent 97 minutes at the Bullseye Sports Bar & Kitchen. Lastly, we are analyzing two devices located within a meter of his device for most of that 97 minutes.

    https://x.com/TonySeruga/status/1814336835285626972



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    Who drove the van with Arizona license plates? Is it just a coincidence the shooter took a quick turnaround trip to Arizona on the same date as the retired FBI SA was there? The same retired FBI SA who met Las Vegas shooter, Stephen Paddock in a Pakistan café just before the massacre.
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    Not like we didn't already have this figured

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    ..and just when things couldn't get even stranger now there's a claim a UFO was seen, and recorded, at the Butler rally.......

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    ..and just when things couldn't get even stranger now there's a claim a UFO was seen, and recorded, at the Butler rally.......

    Something can most certainly be seen looking very much like a UFO flying in right > left at the 44 second mark. Focus on the cloud to the right of the flag:



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    copying here

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    If I was advising Trump I would advise don't go anywhere in public until the attempt to assassinate him is better understood - and the Secret Service and FBI possible involvement is also.

    He does not need these rallies right now.

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    more from Tony Seruga where he claims a connection to Gary Webb, who I was researching/following back before there was a Project Avalon.

    Still don't know what to make of this person - certainly posting a lot on X right now, maybe capitalizing on the current conspiracy interest to build page views and income?

    https://x.com/TonySeruga/status/1814668556598190253





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    It’s times like these when I sure miss my friend Gary Webb.

    I joined him on trips to Panama, Nicaragua, Columbia, Arkansas, when he was the journalist who first covered the government’s connection in his series “Dark Alliance” who died under mysterious circumstances, shooting himself twice in the head. And just like Epstein’s murder, Barr lied then too.

    Gary was receiving death threats, being regularly followed by people he referred to as government operatives, and that he was concerned about strange individuals dresses in ninja like outfits who were seen on multiple occasions breaking into and leaving his house climbing drainpipes.

    Gary told me multiple times they were trying to kill him, in fact, my last text message with Gary, was on December 5th, 2004 at 1:15 pm PT, just days before his ‘suicide’, Gary joked “Just for the record, I am not suicidal!”

    Authorities in Sacramento never even contacted any of us after we came forward.

    https://youtu.be/FS-oNTe9kwE?si=bLEXjqrBF_wPwNFg

    Gary’s most famous work, the "Dark Alliance" series, remains a significant moment in the annals of American journalism, both for its audacity in alleging connections between the CIA, Nicaraguan contra rebels, and the crack cocaine epidemic in Los Angeles during the 1980s, and for the fierce backlash and scrutiny it invoked. When I first met Gary, I thought he was insane but looking at what was happening on the streets of South Central Los Angeles, I finally realized he was right. We flew to Panama, Columbia, Arkansas connecting dots.

    The 'Dark Alliance' Series

    In 1996, Gary Webb, then a reporter for the San Jose Mercury News, published a three-part series titled "Dark Alliance," which outlined a labyrinthine network that purportedly funneled profits from drug trafficking to support the CIA-backed Contras in Nicaragua. At the heart of Webb's narrative was the claim that this drug trade had contributed significantly to the crack cocaine epidemic that ravaged urban communities, particularly in Los Angeles.


    Webb's reporting drew upon court documents, DEA records, and direct interviews with key players involved in the drug trade and the anti-Sandinista efforts. The series immediately sparked outrage and a nationwide conversation, largely because it highlighted the plight of African-American communities and suggested that the U.S. government had, at least indirectly, contributed to their distress.

    The Backlash and Professional Toll

    However, the "Dark Alliance" series was met with intense scrutiny from the outset. Major newspapers like The New York Times, The Washington Post, and the Los Angeles Times with CIA influence embarked on a zealous campaign to discredit Webb’s work, poking holes in the series' more sensational claims and discrediting Webb's sources. The backlash was formidable, and Webb’s own newspaper eventually backed away from the story, leading to his resignation.

    The criticism hinged on the assertion that Webb had overstepped the evidence, drawing connections that, while suggestive, were not conclusively proven. Webb's career never recovered from the controversy, and he faced a storm of personal and professional challenges until his tragic death in 2004, which was ruled a suicide, shooting himself twice in the head!

    Gary’s work was seen by many as vindicated when, in 1998, CIA Inspector General Frederick Hitz testified before Congress, admitting that the CIA had maintained relationships with individuals involved in the drug trade. This partial acknowledgment served to restore some of Webb’s credibility among his supporters.
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    https://x.com/LauraLoomer/status/1814490182466359485




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    Did any other reps in Congress take it upon themselves to visit the site of the Trump rally shooting in Butler, Pennsylvania this week?

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    Ahead of Senate hearings on the attempt to assassinate President Trump, I went to site of the shooting in Butler County myself today to ask questions and get facts.


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    Here’s my view of the scene where President Trump was shot. Big question: why wasn’t the building where the shooter fired from included in the security perimeter? It’s incredibly close, with a clear line of sight

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    https://x.com/HawleyMO/status/1814439607557337388



    Based on what I saw today in Butler County, can’t emphasize enough how important whistleblowers are. Please keep reaching out with any information on last Saturday

    — Josh Hawley (@HawleyMO) July 19, 2024


    https://x.com/HawleyMO/status/1814352388385546325



    Majority of Trump security detail were not Secret Service, whistleblowers tell Sen. Hawley

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