Is the forum being monitored?

[mojo]

Have you ever thought that we might be monitored by other agencies or maybe our names are on a list?

[Hermoor]

I'd be surprised if we weren't being monitored and listed.

There are decent people in that line of work. I wish they'd crack on and help all of us to do the right thing for once.

There are really evil people in that line of work too. F*ck 'em. Their dominance won't last forever.

[Dumpster Diver]

Yup…I’m watching YOU guys every day!

[ExomatrixTV]

Posted by mojo (here)
Have you ever thought that we might be monitored by other agencies or maybe our names are on a list?

They can monitor almost everything and know already who you are before you became a member ... I talked to the inventor of a very sophisticated search engine in The Netherlands 🇳🇱 "crawling/data mining" the net 24/7 since mid 1990s onward (long before Google existed!), and he is a multimillionaire. Born in 1966 (like me) and visited one of my suppressed news/conspiracy research lectures in the mid 1990s.

He became my friend and said there are ways to bypass "limitations" to harvest (data mining) much more data from certain sites than what was "allowed" ... He demonstrated that how he did that with my sites having firewalls/"secured areas" etc. etc. At the time, I had my own server, creating multiple conspiracy sites.

He told me much more how they can collect data on a massive scale and when stored even the Dutch 🇳🇱 intelligence agencies requested him to share certain data of the mid 1990s, but he refused!

Most people who found a way to "100% secure data" are more likely to be targeted as "possible dangerous" ... than anyone who is a transparent being a government & MSM critic.

So if you want to be targeted, just be paranoid enough to make everything "super secure" thinking you can be "at rest" that way .... lol

• It is a "Catch 22 situation", you think you are "damned" if you do ... but also if you don't.

My take on it is that is: The more transparent you are, the better you are protected, and you may even have an impact on some insiders who are or will be on (y)our side!

Nowadays, they do not need humans to do the mass surveillance intelligence work because next generation super advanced "A.I. assistants" tools that are beyond what we see in the public domain like: ChatGPT & GROQ

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳


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PDF "Mass Surveillance & Artificial Intelligence" (15 Pages):

• How A.I. Powered Mass Surveillance Threatens Democracy Everywhere!

Throughout spring 2024, European Union (EU) lawmakers have been taking the final procedural steps to pass a largely disappointing new law, the EU Artificial Intelligence (A.I.) Act.

This law is expected to come into force in the summer, with one of the most hotly-contested parts of the law – the bans on unacceptably harmful uses of A.I. – slated to apply from the end of 2024 (six months and 20 days after the legal text is officially published).

The first draft of this Act, in 2021, proposed to ban some forms of public facial recognition, showing that lawmakers were already listening to the demands of our Reclaim Your Face campaign. Since then, the A.I. Act has continued to be a focus point for our fight to stop people being treated as walking barcodes in public spaces.

But after a gruelling three-year process, A.I. Act negotiations are coming to an underwhelming end, with numerous missed opportunities to protect people’s rights and freedoms or to uphold civic space.

One of the biggest problems we see is that the bans on different forms of biometric mass surveillance, or BMS, are full of holes. BMS is the term we’ve used as an umbrella for different methods of using people’s biometric data to surveil them in an untargeted or arbitrarily-targeted way – which have no place in a democratic society.

At the same time, all is not lost. As we get into the nitty-gritty of the final text, and reflect on the years of hard work, we mourn the existence of the dark clouds – and we celebrate the silver linings and the opportunities they create to better protect people’s sensitive biometric data.

• "Legitimising" Biometric (A.I. Powered) Mass Surveillance Agenda:

Whilst the A.I. Act is supposed to ban a lot of unacceptable biometric practices, we’ve argued since the beginning that it could instead become a blueprint for how to conduct BMS.

As we predicted, the final Act takes a potentially dystopian step towards legalising live public facial recognition – which so far has never been explicitly allowed in any EU country. The same goes for pseudo-scientific AI ‘mind-reading’ systems, which the A.I. Act shockingly allows states to use in policing and border contexts. Using machines to categorise people’s gender and other sensitive characteristics, based on how they look, is also allowed in several contexts.

We have long argued that these practices can never be compatible with our fundamental rights to dignity, privacy, data protection, free expression and non-discrimination. By allowing them in a range of contexts, the A.I. Act legitimises these horrifying practices.

• Reasons for hope?

Yet whilst the law falls far short of the full ban on biometric mass surveillance in public spaces that we called for, it nevertheless offers several points to continue our fight in the future. To give one example, we have the powerful opportunity to capitalise on the wide political will in support of our ongoing work against BMS to make sure that the A.I. Act’s loopholes don’t make it into national laws in EU member states.

Our upcoming ‘Legal and practical guide to fighting BMS after the A.I. Act’ is therefore intended to inform and equip those who are reflecting and re-fuelling for the next stage in the fight against BMS.

This guide will lay out where we can use the A.I. Act’s opportunities to fight for better protections for our rights to exist free from BMS in public spaces. This includes charting out more than 10 specific advocacy opportunities including formal and informal spaces to influence, and highlighting the parts of the legal text that create space for our advocacy efforts.

• A precedent for banning dangerous A.I.

We also remind ourselves that whilst the biometrics bans have been dangerously watered down, the Act nevertheless accepts that we must ban A.I. systems that are not compatible with a democratic society. This idea has been a vital concept for those of us working to protect human rights in the age of A.I., and we faced a lot of opposition on this point from industry and conservative lawmakers.

This legal and normative acceptance of the need for A.I. bans has the potential to set an important global precedent for putting the rights and freedoms of people and communities ahead of the private interests of the lucrative security and surveillance tech industry. The industry wants all technologies and practices to be on the table – but the A.I. Act shows that this is not the EU’s way.

• source

• Mass surveillance and the European Courts

[Dumpster Diver]

I was a diplomat in Den Haag in the 90s. We used to talk about the Dutch “Police State” that, I’m sure, still exists today. The Dutch surveilled *everyone* (this from my own US sources)…I have a number of “stories” and few of them occurred in their observation of me.

[thepainterdoug]

I assume I am being monitored at all times in every place, even if I'm not .
And with that, millions upon millions of others as well.
gonna lock us all up for thinking, sharing and conceptualizing?

[RatRodRob...RRR]

I aint worried about being Monitored by "Agencies"................ Im married.................................... RRR

[Abondance]

Yes I know that I am being watched, since we discussed the subject of the 3 gorges dam, "they" try to sell me an ad for a trip to Hubei when I open my search engine... :Rires:

[ExomatrixTV]

When you own a server or you are the owner/senior admin of a forum/site, you can use tools to see what kind of web-bots are visiting your site via your web-stats tools.

This could be Google, Yahoo, Yandex, Bing, Archive dot org etc. etc. and when they paid you a visit they use (y)our public available data to update their Search Engine results!

• How else could you explain this: google.com/search?q=site projectavalon.net/forum4

Just that fact alone is 100% evidence that OF COURSE this site is "monitored" ... but most likely not the full content "member's only" section, only the titles of it.

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

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[Mike]

This forum, Project Avalon, as far as I can tell is one of the very last of a nearly dead breed.

I'm more aware of it now than ever. You know how when they find one of the last males and females of a nearly extinct animal species and put them in a cage and hope like hell they produce offspring in a last ditch attempt to prevent extinction? Well that's us. With the exception of hell holes like GLP and ATS, I couldn't name another relevant forum like this one. Well, there's Reddit I guess. But that's about it.

Point is, we're very easy to monitor now because there's so few of us left.

On the bright side, podcast titans like Joe Rogan and others are being red-pilled at a pretty swift rate. We're small beer compared to them. So yeah, I think there's some monitoring for sure, but they have far bigger fish to fry than us.

[Agape]

Mike, you know, they know they can rely on us in solving various, countless intelligence operations and humanities big questions for "simple man" .

University students would find plenty of valuable ideas for their doctoral thesis browsing this forum and worlds leadings scientists would eventually get over the mountains of obsolete proving methods if they followed our own meticulous scepticism and sense of logic, indeed.

They would never miss again the direction this world does not want to go.


Sorry for them who do not read this forum


🙏🪷🪔

[Mike]

Posted by Agape (here)
Mike, you know, they know they can rely on us in solving various, countless intelligence operations and humanities big questions for "simple man" .

University students would find plenty of valuable ideas for their doctoral thesis browsing this forum and worlds leadings scientists would eventually get over the mountains of obsolete proving methods if they followed our own meticulous scepticism and sense of logic, indeed.

They would never miss again the direction this world does not want to go.


Sorry for them who do not read this forum


🙏🪷🪔

I wholeheartedly agree Agape. Quite a bit of what has been written on P.A. should be required reading for every human being on the planet, imho.

It can be discouraging to see so many in the dark, but also kind of amusing actually watching the world slowly catch up to the stuff we've been saying here since 2010

Thinking can be very hard, and writing is an extension of thinking. To think deeply and to write on a daily basis is actually quite a rare thing! Long form forums like this one are really the only platforms where one can engage in this type of thing. While the rest of the world gets dumber, we get smarter.

If I were a podcaster with the influence of a Joe Rogan, I like to think I'd also start a long-form forum to compliment the podcast. Someone out there needs to make reading and writing cool again.

Anyway:

[onawah]

I've often wondered why those like Dark Journalist's work hasn't been censored a lot more, but I think it may be because, in DJ's case, he and his guests do so much excellent, detailed research and dot connecting that it saves those on the other side a lot of work when trying to keep up with all that is and has been going on.

[Maknocktomb]

Bill has mentioned several years ago, we may even have a self-aware AI that is one of the members of Project Avalon. Everything is monitored.

[ExomatrixTV]

They could make an "artificial collective consciousness" representing all proactive Avalonians as a whole (using A.I.) and have a "debate" against: WEF, CIA, FBI, Woke, MSM etc. etc.

Just to test how good we might be

• We as a whole are a "Counter Think Tank" challenging almost all (tunnel vision) mainstream narratives & talking points.

Because we have a track record all being documented/recorded, advanced A.I. MAY ALREADY KNOW we are far more often accurate or closer to the actual truth than any other brainwashing WEF/Bilderberg/NATO/MSM propaganda rhetoric.

Let's say they give use a "score" how many times we were right vs we were "100% wrong" last 10 years and compare this score with any other big mainstream media outlets ... They must know they will lose if our combined efforts has an open debate with "the powers that be". Why? ... Because we know how to ask much better questions, mainstream media systematically refuse to ask.

• True empowerment starts, in my view, with asking the right (or better) questions to break through the mass enslavement conditioning.

They only want unchallenged narratives to be pushed and do not tolerate real free speech that can jeopardize their power structure calling it: "danger for democracy", what they actually mean is: "danger for them to lose control over the masses".

I would not be surprises if a "Rogue A.I. module" already exist just to test that against them ... and if they lose they want to find new ways to counter that through "red lining" our way of thinking.

• Not just Project Avalon alone but ALL who are listed here.

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[Michel Leclerc]

I try to be as open as possible.

“Open” has a special meaning to me. It means “unpredictable”. Also: I need to be, as a poet and philosopher, “unpredictable” in my own eyes: “unpredictable” to myself –in the first place. When I bore myself, it is time to find another vocation.

But there is a catch. All types of technology try to transform me into a transhuman – which means: an erstwhile human at present non-human. Not only technology tries (they are fortunately not yet very good at it) but other people, a few neighbours of mine, try. They are far more than I transformed into transhumans than I, in the first place by soft technology that damages their thinking, perverts their feeling, poisons their body.

Thus I am being transformed. The end point of "their" endeavours will be that I consist of nothing BUT what is predictable to their artificiality. Being a robot product myself I will not need to be predicted anymore.

I will be replete with artificial happiness which I will feel, experience and consider as real happiness.

The transformation will be slow but steady.

There is one loophole. I may age faster than I am droidified. I may be dead before I will have become a robot.

That might give me some hope, or satisfaction. Desperation as a form of hope.

Also this process may be part of the transformation, however.

Obsolescence of my feeling happy would then be happiness at my obsolescence.

[Abondance]

Posted by Michel Leclerc (here)
I try to be as open as possible.

“Open” has a special meaning to me. It means “unpredictable”. Also: I need to be, as a poet and philosopher, “unpredictable” in my own eyes: “unpredictable” to myself –in the first place. When I bore myself, it is time to find another vocation.

But there is a catch. All types of technology try to transform me into a transhuman – which means: an erstwhile human at present non-human. Not only technology tries (they are fortunately not yet very good at it) but other people, a few neighbours of mine, try. They are far more than I transformed into transhumans than I, in the first place by soft technology that damages their thinking, perverts their feeling, poisons their body.

Thus I am being transformed. The end point of "their" endeavours will be that I consist of nothing BUT what is predictable to their artificiality. Being a robot product myself I will not need to be predicted anymore.

I will be replete with artificial happiness which I will feel, experience and consider as real happiness.

The transformation will be slow but steady.

There is one loophole. I may age faster than I am droidified. I may be dead before I will have become a robot.

That might give me some hope, or satisfaction. Desperation as a form of hope.

Also this process may be part of the transformation, however.

Obsolescence of my feeling happy would then be happiness at my obsolescence.

There is no end point in the universe. There is no end point to the figure Pi. No system is perfectly isolated from the rest and there are always bugs and ghosts in the machine.
Whatever illusion of control they believe to have or be able to obtain, the trickster comes surreptitiously showing his nose and the devil is the worst of servants...

Hauts les coeurs Michel !

[Bruce G Charlton]

One of the ways in which a forum such as this is "monitored" is by employing saboteurs to derail conversations - i.e. "trolls" - and by getting commenters and posters to discredit the forum with rants designed to use the kind of "trigger words" and inflammatory/ violent language that might lead to media or legal suppression - i.e. what might be termed agents provocateurs, or false flag wavers.

I have read more than one post on the Project Avalon Forum that looked as if they were written by agents provocateurs, with intent to discredit.

If I am right, this is pretty solid evidence of monitoring.

[Mike Gorman]

Quite some time ago a young man who previously worked with the "NSA" revealed to us all that the American government is able to access each and every verbal/textual exchange on the global communications networks, Snowden went to live in Russia to avoid being incarcerated/bumped off, and there he remains to this day. I think it is very clear to us all that we are monitored, even on the basis of online behavior being followed by commercial 'bots' and our personal data being sold to the business community (Facebook/YouTube/e.t.c) We can be certain that this forum is well known to the intelligence services, UK/USA/EU...Russia - as someone has noted I don't believe this little community would represent any kind of a threat to the establishment, but all of those shadowy entities who pull the strings on the global puppet show would be aware of some of us, more than others - potential dissident projects, resistance to official narratives, all of this would be of interest to certain elements among the intelligence communities. Surveillance is after all the means by which intelligence is gathered, no? Let them observe, we cannot prevent this, I wonder if some kind of influence is sometimes conveyed, I think that is very likely, sometimes a small piece of influence can make all the difference in the world.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)
Just that fact alone is 100% evidence that OF COURSE this site is "monitored" ... but most likely not the full content "member's only" section, only the titles of it.

I presume that some of our members were placed here on Avalon by each major intelligence agency or search engine, if any, that has a sufficient level of interest in our "member's only" section. Avalon does not have, and does not pretend to have, any way to filter such members out if they don't outright tell us what they are up to. Equivalently, since many PC's are easily compromised, the Avalon member providing an agency access to "members only" thread might not even know they are doing it.

Getting to Private Messages (PM's) sent between members would be a little more difficult, requiring either a targeted attack to the client PC or mobile phone of a particular member of interest, or getting read access to the disk holding Avalon's server database, currently at Digital Ocean. I wouldn't wager a plug nickel that "they" (some unwelcome agency) lack access to our server's database if they have any interest in accessing it. Before Tommy got us switched to https, a few years back, all our post and PM traffic was also all visible and readable while traveling over the Internet, end-to-end. If the encrypted https web packets we use now are compromised, then I presume it would only be the "Big Boys" who hold those "keys", and that they keep that ability very quiet.

For an operation such as the recent (failed, thank God) assassination attempt on Trump, I'm confident that some agencies are currently scanning the Internet, to see what we've figured out and what we're totally missing or totally misled regarding. Then they can shape what they tell us, so as to keep hidden what remains hidden, or obfuscate with a fog of confusion and conflicting information what they see starting to leak out and prefer would remain out of the agreed focus of the public. Our *** Trump Shot (but safe) *** Live Now on all News Channels might well be a "popular" thread with some agencies for that very purpose.