An important announcement following the closure of the WORM TONGUE thread

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by perfectresonance (here)

Posted by Hawkwind (here)

Posted by perfectresonance (here)
If there is going to be a proper cleaning out here, then we would be short sighted to assume the problem will end with Rich and Celine having been exposed.

Exposed? Steady on, as far as I know no one has been accused of anything other than an inappropriate personal attack on another member. Or have I missed something?

Yes. You have only heard the case of the prosecution.

The case of the defense hasn't been heard.

Not everything is public knowledge.

Observe the members that are repeatedly forcing the same opinion on the rest of us trying to get the idea they are pushing into your mind as Truth.

Without the accused being able to explain.

Yes.

There is still a lot missing.



I don't blame members for having strong loyalties and unbreakable ties. But I fear their loyalty drives them to poison the Avalon Well that we all drink from.

I had to quote you in irony here, as I can't shove one of the organic carrots up your nose.
Do you see that the red applies to you more than most in this thread?
I had no horse in the Gypsy Woman stakes, but here is the rub, if you continue to pull off the scab, the wounds will never heal.
And carrying on about one sided deals, that is life.
I have been banned from forums and had far worse said about me than anyone here has or is saying about anyone else.
I got over it, even the lies.
That all shows me more about them than me.
And don't take this the wrong way, this isn't a shot across your bow, more of a helpful piece of info.

[Northern Boy]

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)

Posted by Northern Boy (here)
Dennis if need be i could tell you things about Celine and Richard that would in fact allow you to understand to a greater depth of what`s going on then you are aware of It would change many heres opinion of this site and as far as Bill goes he is not the man you see on camera or here in this forum there is another side to him you will never know

OK, so, you have decided to join Celine in thinly veiled innuendo that strongly suggests (but does not quite display the courage to blurt out) that Bill is a bad guy with a nefarious agenda.

Please, publicly finish what you started. You've already damaged Bill's reputation, now have the courage to blurt it all out. Then, Bill can offer his perspective, and the rest of us can heal and move forward in unity.

Dennis

Dennis Dennis Dennis i have done no such thing do you think less of Bill for what i said ? if so explain what it was I said he has a vision of what he would like to see it is not the same as mine . i never said he was a bad guy you came to this conclusion on your own with no help from me . See its called digging and uncovering understanding . Those that refuse to do so will fall victim to its traps if there are any . i won`t spoon feed any one here

[ace]

Can we leave it alone?
If you REALLY, REALLY need to know, PM him and ask him.
Also, he may not have seen your questions, so making it out that he is avoiding you isn't helpful.
.

If it's ok with you, I would rather stick with Transparency.

Here out in the open.

Ace

[thunder24]

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)

Posted by Carmody (here)

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)
it wasn't psyops, it was new mooners in the highest energy of the month...

This is a gathering of the gifted and we need a moon Calendar on the main page...

The members of this forum are more likely to be able to be consciously aware of the effects of astrology and the moon in their lives...and this whole thing from December 18th up until now--- is ample evidence of that.

They should not think in terms of woe on this subject... but instead... be damn thankful that it evidences itself so powerfully in their lives... that they are given opportunity to see it for what it is and deal with it.

Most others are asleep and have an incredibly difficult time in finding these things out.

Remember (or know), it is a subtle system (but ALL pervasive).

Subtle systems can control you outside of your capacity to recognize.

Understand?

Please become aware.

The ego is the thing that this entire forum and all associated thrust ---is about.

it takes more than recognition of the moon's effect on the psychology of the gifted...

Those going through it don't understand what is happening...

on a full moon, they are basked in light energies, but during a new moon, they are cut from that protection and feel alone attracting negative energies...

if they just understood what to do during that time they wouldn't feel so overwhelmed by everything... The whole world turns into their pet peeve, a chirp of a bird, laughter of children that normally fill their hearts are like fingernails on a blackboard...

they forget they are light beings and to heal they need to give light energy, which will automatically refill with more light and keeps flushing the negative energy away.

Imagine if instead of tossing barbs in a forum if they gathered their energy and poured it out onto Gaddafi to peacefully step down...

I've been taken out two months in a row during this moment so next month I need all of you to understand and turn this place into the comedy channel during the days leading up to a new moon...

What has taken you out ?

[ulli]

Posted by Inanna (here)
No kidding. I got ill since I started reading the Charles material (no offense ) and I have been ill ever since (flu, throat infection, stress related problems, ...). This is now my first 'healthy' week, because I changed something for myself: I have empowered myself and I'm very alert to any subtle physical signal (I'm ready to hit the breaks any time).
I was wondering if I could relate this to what you're talking about:

In my opinion what has been happening recently is a part of what i would describe as some of the baggage that comes with 'charles'.I'm not saying that it is charles fault,far from it.One way of describing it is that when charles said that if someone wanted to harm him or if he had to deal with someone then they would start to feel ill before he even laid eyes on them.This is what can be described as a 'negative influence'.I believe it is a separate conscious entity in its own right.

EDIT: oh, and I'm a highly sensitive person... that doesn't help either

Maybe it's not the Charles materials but something bigger that affects every one, him included. I was concerned over the eclipse falling on the winter solstice day as that's a cosmic double whammy. And sure enough, by mid January I was in mourning...my cat, a cousin and two close friends had died within a few weeks of each other. I was stunned.
Then I noticed I wasn't the only one who had had such losses. Many people around me were being affected by sudden illness and even death, people that had never heard of Project Avalon or Charles.

Now Mars has moved into Pisces...happens every couple of years, but still, combined with the other planetary things happening out there it's a bit heavy. And psychic attacks (Mars being a rather feisty planet, and Pisces being the threshold to the 4th dimension) will become the norm for a couple of months. After that Mars moves into Aries and all the hidden dramas, if not resolved, will find their way into 3D, something TPTB will probably make full use of, since this time Uranus is also going to tbe along for the ride.
They use this knowledge, remember. all world wars were started because of the mass hysteria caused by planetay positions. We MUST keep our cool here and now, and hold the balance.
A few hundred of us can hold the balance.
If anyone here cares about this place and it's owner Bill Ryan who is a Pisces himself, please send him extra energy and keep the focus on the scenarios you wish to see unfold.
If not, then soon we'll all be scrambling for another platform. But there won't be one as good as this one, and then who will do the balancing act for the craziness that is bound to unfold on the big world stage.

[Redtailhawk]

Posted by Hawkwind (here)

Posted by Ross (here)
Hello all,

After 2.5 years of service to this Forum I am stepping down as a Moderator, as of today. I have lost my passion for continuing under the guidance of Bill, our founder.

I'm sorry to hear that you've decided to step down as a moderator. There's obviously more going on than meets the eye here, and I'd very much like to get a better understanding of it. Would you be willing to discuss your perspective on recent events either in private or public?

Wow Ross, that is sad. I hope you stay as a member.

Would you be willing to comment further on your friendship with Gypsy? I got the impression from one of her posts out of concern for you, that you two know each other personally?

Thank you for everything you have done for us Ross.

Maria

[Ultima Thule]

I don´t remember who, nor when, but someone here wrote about a native american concept of two wolves - a nice one and a naughty one(my simplification..). The one you feed, keeps on growing.

I suggest while pushing for transparency and dealing with these issues, we don´t feed the naughty one - for both of them - (let´s say in other words love/anger) are eternal fountains. Which ever you tap, it just keeps on coming - for no reason at all. When you have love pouring out while you walk past someone, it does not mean you are in love with that individual - the same with anger, even though you might feel it while pondering these things, it might not have anything to do with anyone here or any event here, you´ve just tapped an eternal well.

So: mind the wolf

[jorr lundstrom]

Posted by TWINNICK (here)

Posted by jorr lundstrom (here)
Yes Nick, we are very aware about wot you are talking about. Dont think we are

unaffected in our little cottage. Lot of funny and not so funny things happening

all the time. But its just expected. If you stick your neck out, there is always someone

who goes for it. Wots happening right now is no joke. And I fret its just the beginning.

Am I being misunderstood here, did you think I was making a joke about whats going on in the world or what?

when you stick your neck out as you say one does not need his own people to go for it, we are on the same side are we not?

..Nick..

Sorry if I misinterpreted you Nick, didnt mean to. Cant imagine that you and I are on different sides.

And I realize you dont see wots happening as a joke.

But you see too many dont realize that the situation is serious. So lets hang on.

And I definitly prefer if I can preserve my neck, no matter who goes for it.

[perfectresonance]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
I had to quote you in irony here, as I can't shove one of the organic carrots up your nose.
Do you see that the red applies to you more than most in this thread?
I had no horse in the Gypsy Woman stakes, but here is the rub, if you continue to pull off the scab, the wounds will never heal.
And carrying on about one sided deals, that is life.
I have been banned from forums and had far worse said about me than anyone here has or is saying about anyone else.
I got over it, even the lies.
That all shows me more about them than me.
And don't take this the wrong way, this isn't a shot across your bow, more of a helpful piece of info.

That's a very fair point of view to take.

In my own way I am trying very hard to guide people into some degree of balance.

But more importantly, I want this process to expose all of the rotten apples.

I see little point in taking the stance that what is visible is the full extent of the problem and then continuing with the rest of the cancer not excised.

But you know, to those from the other side of the fence who operate in the absence of hard facts, I totally agree that looks like a witch hunt too.



I do thank you for your message. It has reminded me that I've said enough now.

And on a personal note - I see the process as part of the Avalon Community growing pains. But it is an evolutionary process. PA3 may even result from it. What doesn't kill Avalon only makes it stronger.

In spite of these side-shows, Avalon is a special place. And it is only that because of the people that come here. Thank you.

[Hawkwind]

Posted by Ultima Thule (here)
I don´t remember who, nor when, but someone here wrote about a native american concept of two wolves

It wasn't me, but it's one of my favorite allegories, so here.

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[cayman]

Something for the PM concern

I'd experienced at least two occasions of PM disappeared with false notifications, so did Voda

At the first time when it happen, on 10th Feb. I reported that to Richard as follow


with no response from Richard, so I thought it may be just me or me&Voda in this case, no biggie, although I was warned before that there is "a spider in my pocket", I still don't know for sure what that is so far, but I am pretty sure I was being watched/filtrated for whatever reason, I got several friendly advices about that from good friends here in Avalon.

my point is:
1) did anyone else encounter this kind of weird situation?

2) if this is not just my cases or Voda's case, we should take it seriously

3) can you(Bill, Mods) do anything about that?

4) I might wonder whether it have something to do with the PM stuff being talked about in this thread? if it is, well, how about we do something constructive?

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by Northern Boy (here)

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)

Posted by Northern Boy (here)
Dennis if need be i could tell you things about Celine and Richard that would in fact allow you to understand to a greater depth of what`s going on then you are aware of It would change many heres opinion of this site and as far as Bill goes he is not the man you see on camera or here in this forum there is another side to him you will never know

OK, so, you have decided to join Celine in thinly veiled innuendo that strongly suggests (but does not quite display the courage to blurt out) that Bill is a bad guy with a nefarious agenda.

Please, publicly finish what you started. You've already damaged Bill's reputation, now have the courage to blurt it all out. Then, Bill can offer his perspective, and the rest of us can heal and move forward in unity.

Dennis

Dennis Dennis Dennis i have done no such thing

Yes, you did.

You most certainly did damage Bill's reputation with your innuendo. Passive-agressive attackers usually slink away saying, "oh, you misunderstood me!"

If you have the courage, you can explain:

"Dennis if need be i could tell you things about Celine and Richard that would in fact allow you to understand to a greater depth of what`s going on then you are aware of It would change many heres opinion of this site and as far as Bill goes he is not the man you see on camera or here in this forum there is another side to him you will never know"

I want you to have the courage to follow-up and explain your comments, or take it all back and apologize to Bill.

How can we move on and trust Bill when you purport to know the truth and dangle it out there, tantalizingly close, then lose the courage to tell the truth about Bill?

Dennis

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by perfectresonance (here)

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
I had to quote you in irony here, as I can't shove one of the organic carrots up your nose.
Do you see that the red applies to you more than most in this thread?
I had no horse in the Gypsy Woman stakes, but here is the rub, if you continue to pull off the scab, the wounds will never heal.
And carrying on about one sided deals, that is life.
I have been banned from forums and had far worse said about me than anyone here has or is saying about anyone else.
I got over it, even the lies.
That all shows me more about them than me.
And don't take this the wrong way, this isn't a shot across your bow, more of a helpful piece of info.

That's a very fair point of view to take.

In my own way I am trying very hard to guide people into some degree of balance.

But more importantly, I want this process to expose all of the rotten apples.

I see little point in taking the stance that what is visible is the full extent of the problem and then continuing with the rest of the cancer not excised.

But you know, to those from the other side of the fence who operate in the absence of hard facts, I totally agree that looks like a witch hunt too.



I do thank you for your message. It has reminded me that I've said enough now.

And on a personal note - I see the process as part of the Avalon Community growing pains. But it is an evolutionary process. PA3 may even result from it. What doesn't kill Avalon only makes it stronger.

In spite of these side-shows, Avalon is a special place. And it is only that because of the people that come here. Thank you.

Thank you for caring enough to get into the trenches.
Hopefully, the war is over and we can go back to growing more carrots.
We might need em later.

[Mikez]

I have missed a lot of this thread but initial impressions ......

C/A's original mission seems almost completed, whether it was abandoned or not? Perhaps one more final act to come or it'll need the proverbial rabbit out of the hat to bring everyone back together?

we all must hope for rabbits

[ace]

Lord sid

I had to quote you in irony here, as I can't shove one of the organic carrots up your nose.
Do you see that the red applies to you more than most in this thread?
I had no horse in the Gypsy Woman stakes, but here is the rub, if you continue to pull off the scab, the wounds will never heal.
And carrying on about one sided deals, that is life.
I have been banned from forums and had far worse said about me than anyone here has or is saying about anyone else.
.

post deleat

Daft rush of blood to the head. stupid no point.

apologise to the recipient.


Ace

[SteveX]

Taps scene

Hello

Taps scene again

HELLO

Stares intently into the bottom of the screne

"oh you! Yes you. Your forgeting this part as ligh lighted in the quote below".

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
--------

Dear Friends:

SNIPPED

On my part, the final breakdown of trust happened when it was brought to my attention that he had shared with the other moderators that he intended to leave with a tell-all post that would be very deliberately negative and destructive. That may still come, but if it does, the vindictiveness that powers it will be transparent.

With my best wishes to everyone ~ Bill

I saw what Richard did yesterday....with is so called Mod hat off. However, following the lines of "gross misconduct" is the above. You all seem to have skipped over this part. (up to page 10 at least)

Dudes! I don't blaim Bill one little bit. If a trusted friend came into my house with intend on verbally reaming my posterior I'd soon kick em out.....Wouldn't you?

I've more to say on the Richard and Celine thing but it's ABSOLUTLY necessary to ABSORB the above and RECOGNISE it for the VINDICTIVE act it could have been.

[Northern Boy]

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
I want you to have the courage to follow-up and explain your comments, or take it all back and apologize to Bill.

Just so you are aware Dennis you read what you want to read the meaning behind the words comes from you alone .


You interpret them the way you feel you must .I am under no obligation to explaain myself to you . You have no authority here unless i grant it to you we can continue all day if you want in won`t bother me . Bill and i are discussing via PM and there for it is not relevant to you or any others any longer

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
How can we move on and trust Bill when you purport to know the truth and dangle it out there, tantalizingly close, then lose the courage to tell the truth about Bill? .

I have lost no courage Bill is aware of things. Trust is built thru transparency now days it used to be trust was built thru some ones word a type of dare i say Honour but I wouldn`t want to bring ego into this

[Belle]

Posted by perfectresonance (here)

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
I had to quote you in irony here, as I can't shove one of the organic carrots up your nose.
Do you see that the red applies to you more than most in this thread?
I had no horse in the Gypsy Woman stakes, but here is the rub, if you continue to pull off the scab, the wounds will never heal.
And carrying on about one sided deals, that is life.
I have been banned from forums and had far worse said about me than anyone here has or is saying about anyone else.
I got over it, even the lies.
That all shows me more about them than me.
And don't take this the wrong way, this isn't a shot across your bow, more of a helpful piece of info.

That's a very fair point of view to take.

In my own way I am trying very hard to guide people into some degree of balance.

But more importantly, I want this process to expose all of the rotten apples.

I see little point in taking the stance that what is visible is the full extent of the problem and then continuing with the rest of the cancer not excised.

But you know, to those from the other side of the fence who operate in the absence of hard facts, I totally agree that looks like a witch hunt too.



I do thank you for your message. It has reminded me that I've said enough now.

And on a personal note - I see the process as part of the Avalon Community growing pains. But it is an evolutionary process. PA3 may even result from it. What doesn't kill Avalon only makes it stronger.

In spite of these side-shows, Avalon is a special place. And it is only that because of the people that come here. Thank you.

I have been sitting here patiently waiting for someone to have the courage to lay all their cards on the table face up. If things are left as is, the wound may heal, but the poison is still left inside to fester and break forth some time in the future. The wound must be thoroughly cleansed in order to heal properly. Or is the intent to leave us questioning one another, being suspicious of one another, and looking to cover our backs before speaking? That is the way of tptb. I did not think that was the way of this forum.

[Tangri]

I think It was Alfred Hitchcock movie but I am not sure. I saw many winters after that .

Hysterical house wife was attacked by stranger at her home. After attacker left, husband comes to home and saw her with wet eyes and shaken.
He ask her - where is he?.

-He just left - she reply .
Man says- lets go, we will find him.
They drive 1 block
Suddenly She yells -- It is him! it is him!
Man stop the car, pull his gun and shut the stranger.
He comes the driver sit and says --

It is done.

When he turns the car
She yells again and pointing an another walking by stranger.
It is him, it is him
Love and peace (together not alone) if you chose only love you are going to miss the peace.
Sincerely ,

[Northern Boy]

Posted by SteveX (here)

I've more to say on the Richard and Celine thing but it's ABSOLUTLY necessary to ABSORB the above and RECOGNISE it for the VINDICTIVE act it could have been.

On who`s part would appear to be vindictive when you don`t have the facts Bill is making an assumption here there was no proof unless the mods who say this was going to happen step forward and give testimony to it as fact.