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    Default Re: *** Trump Shot (but safe) *** Live Now on all News Channels

    https://x.com/bennyjohnson/status/1817981476249681942



    SCOOP: Republican House Members are RAGING at Speaker Johnson for once again bowing to Democrats on Trump Assassination Task Force, choosing weak and unserious members:

    'No one has experience in counter sniper, motorcade, close protection or advance team operations'

    'Not good'

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    Default Re: *** Trump Shot (but safe) *** Live Now on all News Channels

    Quote Posted by Tintin (here)
    Quote Posted by jaybee (here)
    Quote Posted by norman (here)
    That white flash in the window in the X video isn't in the longer 9 min video ( on youtube ). I just went right through the shooting part frame by frame and saw no such flash.

    {video clipped}

    All the later stuff appearing has to be treated with more caution than the earlier released footage IMO.... now the disinfo, redirection and muddying is going full steam ahead....especially when the footage is ridiculously wobbly...
    Yes, I really do think we have to be careful here. However, this young man does seem the real deal. His footage was impounded by the Feds and he was held for several hours. Most of what can be gleaned from my perspective suggests, in the longer form of the visual here, that it may have been largely untampered with although some audio seems to have been suppressed?

    I've had another look at this with less bleary eyes and I don't see any flash actually. I'll need to take a look, again, I think, just to be really sure, but it wouldn't make sense given that these windows aren't facing the 'target'.

    See Mark (Star Mariner) post here for a good spot on Crooks, on the roof
    And reasonably hot on the heels of this Chris Martenson has dropped this latest update on X:
    I spent all weekend analyzing what I'm calling "The Stewart Film." It's from @realDJStew724 who I spoke with for over an hour this past Saturday night.

    It's the Zapruder film of our time. Today's Citizens' Investigation covers the audio (spoiler: shots 1-3 don't match 4-8 or 9, adding even more weight to the Two Shooter hypothesis) and the fact that Crooks can be clearly seen in at least 22 separate frames of The Stewart Film.

    A professionally scaled drawing reveals that the Secret Service Sniper Team #2 had a clear line of sight to Crooks for what must have been a sufficiently long time to at least send a warning to the SS team "protecting" Trump.

    This episode has been recorded and is in production now and will be released in less than an hour.

    Without hyperbole, this is explosive.
    The actual TweXt:

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    Default Re: *** Trump Shot (but safe) *** Live Now on all News Channels

    a comment from the above post

    https://x.com/SteijNaem55/status/1817988900675334304




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    Sounds like shot 9 came from that officer on the ground. Can’t wait to see the breakdown.

    Skeptical that the “muzzle flash” from the window was a shot though since it doesnt correspond with any other audio of a shot being fired.

    another comment

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    Keep in mind that this evidence was confiscated and in possession of the FBI for some time before being returned to @realDJStew724 - beware of tampering.

    https://x.com/RebeccaMtn/status/1817999128288227365




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    Water tower appears clear just seconds before shooting starts.
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    Default Re: *** Trump Shot (but safe) *** Live Now on all News Channels

    https://x.com/texaseattle/status/1817992804930601308




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    Shots 1-3 don’t match shots 4-8, 9 because they came from INDOORS which muffles the high frequencies.

    This is how the acoustics work. 👇🏼

    This also explains why all shots are crisp on Trump’s podium mic, but highs are rolled off in other recordings not in the line of fire.
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    Default Re: *** Trump Shot (but safe) *** Live Now on all News Channels

    ...

    ... the actual release:

    Stewart Film Blows the Official Narrative Out of the Water - Peak Prosperity 46:46

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    54 minutes ago

    The official story is collapsing and the data is piling up!

    The "Stewart Film" is even more damning to the current official story than the Zapruder film was to the JFK fiction.

    Audio analysis re-confirms that the shots 1-3 are distinctly different sounding and quantitatively unlike shots 4-8. This best maps to the Two Shooters hypothesis.
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    Default Re: *** Trump Shot (but safe) *** Live Now on all News Channels

    Quote Posted by mountain_jim (here)
    https://x.com/bennyjohnson/status/1817981476249681942



    SCOOP: Republican House Members are RAGING at Speaker Johnson for once again bowing to Democrats on Trump Assassination Task Force, choosing weak and unserious members:

    'No one has experience in counter sniper, motorcade, close protection or advance team operations'

    'Not good'

    — Benny Johnson (@bennyjohnson) July 29, 2024

    Here's more info about the task force created.

    Quote The House task force will be made up of seven Republicans and six Democrats and will have subpoena authority.

    The Republican members will be Chairman Mike Kelly of Pennsylvania, Mark Green of Tennessee, David Joyce of Ohio, Laurel Lee of Florida, Michael Waltz of Florida, Clay Higgins of Louisiana and Pat Fallon of Texas.

    Kelly’s hometown is Butler, Pennsylvania, where the assassination attempt took place. The congressman was also the author of the resolution to establish the bipartisan task force.

    The Democratic members will be Ranking Member Jason Crow of Colorado, Lou Correa of California, Madeleine Dean of Pennsylvania, Chrissy Houlahan of Pennsylvania, Glenn Ivey of Maryland and Jared Moskowitz of Florida.

    Crow is a member of the House Intelligence and House Foreign Affairs committees and served as a manager during Trump’s first impeachment trial.

    The House voted last week to create the bipartisan task force. It will issue a final report on its findings no later than December 13, 2024, “including any recommendations for legislative reforms necessary to prevent future security lapses,” according to the text of the resolution the House passed.

    Lawmakers have sought answers and accountability after the 2024 Republican presidential candidate was shot at a rally in Pennsylvania this month. The resolution to establish the task force was approved in an overwhelmingly bipartisan vote of 416 to 0.

    The task force will also be empowered to issue interim reports “it deems necessary.” In addition to having subpoena power, the task force can take depositions, according to the resolution.

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    Default Re: *** Trump Shot (but safe) *** Live Now on all News Channels

    Just finished watching Chris video from today - his final summary statement:

    "There were 2 shooters - and this was an inside job"

    and I agree with his reasoning from the acoustic evidence he presents - those shot groups were not from the same source.
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    Default Re: *** Trump Shot (but safe) *** Live Now on all News Channels

    Quote Posted by Gwin Ru (here)
    ...

    ... the actual release:

    Stewart Film Blows the Official Narrative Out of the Water - Peak Prosperity 46:46

    Peak Prosperity

    54 minutes ago

    The official story is collapsing and the data is piling up!

    The "Stewart Film" is even more damning to the current official story than the Zapruder film was to the JFK fiction.

    Audio analysis re-confirms that the shots 1-3 are distinctly different sounding and quantitatively unlike shots 4-8. This best maps to the Two Shooters hypothesis.
    Personally, I think shots 1 thru 3 sound more similar to 4 thru 8 in the "Stewart Film", than different.

    My Dad got me a BB gun when I was 5 or 6, and then before I was 10 he had me carrying around rifles and shotguns shooting squirrels and rabbits, etc.. I've been around guns my whole life. (I'm 61yrs old). I am somewhat familiar with firearms

    You can stand next to someone shooting and then step back 1 or 2 steps behind them while they are shooting and the shots WILL sound slightly different (from the same gun).

    Hear me out folk's. I absolutely think it's possible there were 2 shooters. I also think it's possible Crooks was a lone shooter (who had help).

    But, let's say Crooks is the one that shot the first 8 rounds....Let's say Crooks was the only shooter.

    Consider this; As Crooks took the first 3 shots, he was leaning over the ridge line more, the gun was mostly hanging over the ridge line. He took his first 3 controlled shots in this position, (Why they found 3 casings over the ridge line). Crooks then immediately slide back a little bit trying to conceal himself better but realizing he likely missed Trump. Pissed off he then immediately fired the next 5 shots in a rage with just the very end of the barrel only over the ridge line. (Why they found 5 casings on the side of the roof his dead body was laying.) This easily would of made the same rifle sound slightly different from about any direction someone was standing on the ground making a video.

    Of course I don't know what happened or how it went down, but I do think this should be taken into consideration.

    Two shooters? perhaps, one shooter? perhaps. I'm still scratching my head about it. This "Stewart Film" does make me feel Crooks may of actually been the only shooter.

    If there were two shooters they would of almost had to be right on top of each other. (likely using the same model of weapon). I've thought from the start that the 2nd shooter was in the window directly below Crooks, but it appears that window wasn't open, nor were any other windows open on that side of the building. That would basically only leave that 2nd story window that was open right behind Crooks to be where the second shooter shot from in my opinion. If that is the case it would almost mean that a local Butler sniper took the first three shots and then took Crooks out after Crooks fired 5 rounds in a fury. I'm finding that hard to believe but not impossible.

    At this point I'm not sure what to think, I'm starting to lean more and more that Crooks was a lone shooter (but I'm not there yet). If this is the case, that there wasn't two shooters, I believe Crooks handlers thought they had him trained well enough to make such a close and easy shot that they felt sure enough he wouldn't miss and they didn't need a 2nd shooter. (we are dealing with mostly incompetent lunatic TDS people as controllers!).

    Perhaps this whole assassination attempt was even more insane and idiotic as it appears!!!!!! (hard to imagine that is even possible, but it is.)

    We've seen over the last 8 years what TDS does to people, it makes them lose most of their logic, reason, and common sense, if not all of it!
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    Default Re: *** Trump Shot (but safe) *** Live Now on all News Channels

    I don't see how

    Quote Consider this; As Crooks took the first 3 shots, he was leaning over the ridge line more, the gun was mostly hanging over the ridge line. He took his first 3 controlled shots in this position, (Why they found 3 casings over the ridge line). Crooks then immediately slide back a little bit trying to conceal himself better but realizing he likely missed Trump. Pissed off he then immediately fired the next 5 shots in a rage with just the very end of the barrel only over the ridge line. (Why they found 5 casings on the side of the roof his dead body was laying.) This easily would of made the same rifle sound slightly different from about any direction someone was standing on the ground making a video.
    from an outside single gun still able to get shots at or near the stage, is going to have that great a difference in frequencies and spectrum. Doesn't the vast majority of the sound come out of the end of the gun?

    Not an expert, so I await expert review of those sound files..

    but I feel that your proposal is what they want us to conclude and the casings evidence is totally unreliable at this point and likely a setup to head off the 2 shooters theory.

    Chris does point out all the open second floor windows, and how that should be an absolute no no from the secret service point of view.

    comments from the youtube version, including some that agree with you.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9-VmwM3qzY

    Quote @kevinsmith7287
    23 minutes ago
    Once a two-shooter scenario is proven, Wray's story of 8 "cartridge's" found on the roof becomes a problem. Personally, I think we will find the real, or second, shooter was shooting from within the window behind Crooks. If that were the case the shells from there could have been taken to the body. There's also a window on the end of that building that could give access to the roof Crooks was on.

    @GS-191
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    Hypothesis: Shoots 1-3, the rifle was resting on the ridge vent. Metal roof resonances create the unique sound of shots 1-3 for all cameras in all locations. Shoots 4-8 (spray and pray) the shoots were taken with the rifle not in contact with the roof and are cleaner and clearer since no roof resonances are present. Shoot 9 is a handgun on the ground near site 6, with a slap echo off the face of the building. All shots by the same shooter (except #9 & 10). Shot # 10 fired from a distance (SS sniper team #2 or another team in the far bleachers?). Thoughts? Keep pushing.


    @stephaniearmstrong-vn8tf
    2 minutes ago
    My husband came into this video blind at the point when he compared shot 1, 8. He is a sniper, speed shooting competitor and former Army Airborne. He immediately said two different guns and shot 8 sounds like it is being shot from a room.


    @mindtrap0289
    2 minutes ago
    The first shot/sound .. has the sound like when metal vibrates.
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    @Beretic805
    5 minutes ago
    With the first three shots, it almost sounds like glass breaking. Like they were fired from inside, out a window and the over-pressure from the muzzle breaks it.

    @FelonyVideos
    2 minutes ago
    Shot 1 versus Shot 8 comparison:

    1. There is an echo from a location about 80 extra further feet from the microphone.

    8. No echo at all.

    The 2 shots were fired from 2 entirely different locations that had dissimilar echo sources.

    @hornet224
    14 minutes ago
    There can be no doubt 1-2-3 and 4-5-6-7-8 are different weapons. The split times are different, the muzzle blast is distinctly different due to barrel length, muzzle brake, type of ammo, and maybe a suprressor. Which group did TMC shoot, if at all?
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    @same3210
    1 minute ago (edited)
    The problem I have with the audio evidence is the position of a cell phone can change the audio based on the direction the phone is facing. I am not convinced it can be relied on for this type of analysis. It all depends on where the mic is located on each phone.
    Great work though.


    @jplant1414
    15 minutes ago (edited)
    Fail again. Conditions ARE different between shots 1-3 and 4-8. Go to his channel. There'are two Short vids that are taken as the shots are fired that provide crucial information. The first vid shows that he is behind and beneath a tree when the first 3 shots are fired. Imagine the massive trunk right beside him and ALL the surface area (i.e., leaves etc) DIRECTLY above him, directly in front of the source of the sound. That tree will both absorb and reflect the sound, producing a whole new mix. The second Short shows that he continues running, and for the last 5 shots he is neither behind nor under the tree. TOTALLY differrent accoustical environment. You CANNOT infer that the SHOTS sound different; you can only know that the RECORDING sounds different -- as it WOULD with such different accoustic parameters.


    @Suelynngrr
    24 minutes ago
    Hello Chris, here is an audio analysis by Mike Bell. He says all 8 shots were from Crooks. I would like to know your thoughts:

    https://youtu.be/Qz_LpsZfLEA?si=NivHl6lUafP5375w

    From my limited understanding, would the first 3 shots sound different to the next 5 because the first 3 were not rapid fire?

    @josephlavoie8358
    1 minute ago
    Think you've got confirmation bias. Bullet trajectory confirms one shooter.
    Look at Paramount Tactical's (an actual sniper) video debunking this.
    FYI- gun shots sound differently from different locations. They also change based on the speed the shots are being fired and how hot the gun is.
    Those heat signatures look mostly the same in your wavelengths. That should've been a clue.

    @basshole8618
    2 minutes ago
    The sound of the muzzle from the second floor window, in-between the two metal buildings could cause a wierd hitting metal sound. shots 1-3 are what I'm referencing.
    Reply
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    Quote Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
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    Personally, I think shots 1 thru 3 sound more similar to 4 thru 8 in the "Stewart Film", than different.

    My Dad got me a BB gun when I was 5 or 6, and then before I was 10 he had me carrying around rifles and shotguns shooting squirrels and rabbits, etc.. I've been around guns my whole life. (I'm 61yrs old). I am somewhat familiar with firearms

    You can stand next to someone shooting and then step back 1 or 2 steps behind them while they are shooting and the shots WILL sound slightly different (from the same gun).

    [...]
    If, in the diagram, "'window" is replaced with roof-ridge, then 1/2 the sound cones go backward when the gun is behind that ridge and if the gun is in front of that ridge. then the full sound cones are pushed forward and amplified and echoed around with the roof large surface... add a pinch of Doppler effect to the sauce and one needs real expert to unravel the ratatouille.


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    Quote Posted by mountain_jim (here)
    I don't see how

    Quote Consider this; As Crooks took the first 3 shots, he was leaning over the ridge line more, the gun was mostly hanging over the ridge line. He took his first 3 controlled shots in this position, (Why they found 3 casings over the ridge line). Crooks then immediately slide back a little bit trying to conceal himself better but realizing he likely missed Trump. Pissed off he then immediately fired the next 5 shots in a rage with just the very end of the barrel only over the ridge line. (Why they found 5 casings on the side of the roof his dead body was laying.) This easily would of made the same rifle sound slightly different from about any direction someone was standing on the ground making a video.
    from an outside single gun still able to get shots at or near the stage, is going to have that great a difference in frequencies and spectrum. Doesn't the vast majority of the sound come out of the end of the gun?

    Not an expert, so I await expert review of those sound files..

    but I feel that your proposal is what they want us to conclude and the casings evidence is totally unreliable at this point and likely a setup to head off the 2 shooters theory.

    Chris does point out all the open second floor windows, and how that should be an absolute no no from the secret service point of view.
    They absolutely want us to believe there was only 1 shooter and that he acted completely alone. That SS and LE only "made some mistakes", nothing else.

    Regardless if there were one or two shooters, that doesn't let elements of the security and other bad actors off the hook. It's without question IMO that this was an engineered event involving more than just Crooks and was allowed to happen.

    I'm just saying it's possibly Crooks was the only shooter firing at Trump. It's more likely than not that there were two shooters, but, at this point I'm not seeing absolute damning evidence that there was.
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    Also in that camp: single shooter (the water tower is ruled out for me).

    If there really was another shooter, somewhere, they did a fine job at evading detection. Not easy to do given they couldn't have known in advance that any of the numerous cellphones in attendance wouldn't catch them in the act, unless extremely concealed or hidden in plain sight. I tend to believe that the only shots aimed at Trump were fired by Crooks alone.

    Questions remain on the row of second floor windows of the building behind, and overlooking, Crooks's position. They, for me, continue to be a contender for the location of the sniper that delivered the final kill-shot. Which seriously begs the question: how did the security guys in that building, in those windows, miss Crooks shimmying across the roof right under their gun barrels? They cannot, yet did not act.

    As for Martenson's latest video...I'm going to need an expert in ballistics and/or acoustic analysis to be swayed either way. Even better, an experiment that endeavours to duplicate what we hear in the footage -- an accurate re-enactment, on-location, in the same conditions, with high-end equipment, using the same AR15 fired from the same position on that roof. Perhaps it's the only guaranteed way to prove or disprove the existence of a second shooter.
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    Quote I'm just saying it's possibly Crooks was the only shooter firing at Trump. It's more likely than not that there were two shooters, but, at this point I'm not seeing absolute damning evidence that there was.
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    Quote Posted by mountain_jim (here)
    Clear view of top of water tower 12 seconds before first shot and nothing there. (assuming no edits/cuts during that time)
    My recollection is that the dark shadow on top of the water tower that is apparently a person was became visible on the south side of the cap on top of the tower about when shooting started ... so would have been behind that cap, hence not visible, when looking from west of the tower (the AGR buildings are west of the tower), prior to, even a few seconds prior to, the shootings.
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    Quote Posted by Mark (Star Mariner) (here)
    Also in that camp: single shooter (the water tower is ruled out for me).

    If there really was another shooter, somewhere, they did a fine job at evading detection. Not easy to do given they couldn't have known in advance that any of the numerous cellphones in attendance wouldn't catch them in the act, unless extremely concealed or hidden in plain sight. I tend to believe that the only shots aimed at Trump were fired by Crooks alone.

    Questions remain on the row of second floor windows of the building behind, and overlooking, Crooks's position. They, for me, continue to be a contender for the location of the sniper that delivered the final kill-shot. Which seriously begs the question: how did the security guys in that building, in those windows, miss Crooks shimmying across the roof right under their gun barrels? They cannot, yet did not act.

    As for Martenson's latest video...I'm going to need an expert in ballistics and/or acoustic analysis to be swayed either way. Even better, an experiment that endeavours to duplicate what we hear in the footage -- an accurate re-enactment, on-location, in the same conditions, with high-end equipment, using the same AR15 fired from the same position on that roof. Perhaps it's the only guaranteed way to prove or disprove the existence of a second shooter.
    In my mind, the only place the second shooter could of been was in the second story window. The first eight shots sounded like they all came from one place, or really really close to the same place.

    If the second shooter was in the 2nd story window that would implicate a Butler LE sniper(s). That's a bit hard for me to accept. Those guys must be quite loyal to each other and I doubt they all would agree to be in on something so evil like this.

    Plus there were several people on the ground there and not one of them are claiming they heard shots coming from one of those windows. They were all close enough to be able to tell the difference from the window or the roof.

    As for why they didn't see Crooks from the window? Perhaps they were back away from the window behind their rifles and couldn't see down that roof that far to notice Crooks. Who knows? That's a huge problem no matter what the reason.

    I'm thinking Crooks fired the first eight shots until I see damning evidence to change my mind.

    The whole thing smells like a dirty FBI operation like the Whitmore kidnapping scheme (but worse), involving some DEI TDS SS crew members.
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    Quote Posted by ThePythonicCow (here)
    [John] Cullen's report on "How Many Shooters? John Cullen on the Trump Assassination Attempt (The Darkhorse Podcast)"
    Since I posted the above here, four days ago now, John Cullen continues to refine his analysis. He's finding more shots from elsewhere, and fewer from Crooks, to the point now that he has doubts that Crooks fired _any_ shots.

    I don't understand why no one else here is paying any attention to Cullen's work.

    Here's his latest Youtube video, uploaded a few hours ago:

    John Cullen Investigates: Is That Someone Shooting Out of the Window?


    I am increasingly convinced that the analysis of gun shot crack and boom sounds by, in particular Chris Martenson and Mike Adams, is a limited hangout.

    I have paid the $5 to listen to Cullen's Patreon channel for one month ... I'll be listening there next to what he teased in the above Youtube video.
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    From the latest Patreon post Patrons Only: Breaking the Case Wide Open, Again.. (minimum cost $5/month) of Jason Goodman and John Cullen:

    Cullen documents several silenced and subsonic gun shots, happening while Trump is still speaking, just before the famous, loud, shot that nicked Trump's ear. Silenced, subsonic, gun fire has neither the loud (supersonic) crack nor the loud (not silenced) report of the gun firing, but its report might still show up on audio recordings.

    Cullen presents a scenario such as the following possible one, that would be consistent with these shots and what else he has observed so far:

    The Secret Service sniper teams on the both roofs were taking silenced, subsonic gunfire while Trump was still speaking. The covert sniper's apparent plan would have been to disable these snipers first, and then tell Crooks to start shooting with his AR-15 second. Crooks' shots would be the first shots noticed by Trump or his close at hand Secret Service agents. Crooks perhaps was assured he would be safe from the Secret Service snipers, because they would be disabled first.

    Those same Secret Service snipers, on the southern roof, might have taken out Crooks with their own silenced shot, while Trump was still speaking. They were taking fire, saw a sniper on the AGR roof, and shot back. The southern roof snipers weren't supposed to take out Crooks that quickly, before anyone attending the rally or Trump or the Secret Service agents close to Trump realized there was shooting going on.

    Rather the two Secret Service sniper teams, on both the northern roof (the team shown on much video) and the southern roof (the team that took out Crooks) were supposed to already be disabled (ducking, perhaps hit, but at least off their scopes) by the silenced fire, but the wind was strong enough that the "bad" snipers didn't manage to take out the Secret Service roof snipers, before the southern roof snipers got Crooks when Crooks stuck his head up above the roof ridge, thus forcing the "bad" sniper in the room below Crooks to pick up his own (typically noisy) AR-15, to create the first three shots that would be heard, coming from the right direction (same as the just killed Crooks on the roof), at Trump.

    One way or another, there had to be loud gun fire, consistent with an AR-15 firing commonly available ammunition, coming from Crooks' direction, to frame Crooks as the (by then or soon to be killed by some sniper) patsy, consistent with the "lone shooter" hypothesis.

    By the way, I'd still wager, as would Jason Goodman and John Cullen, that it was actually Maxwell Yearick whose corpse we see on the AGR roof, not Thomas Matthew Crooks.

    In any case, Cullens can find _no_ shot that was fired at the distance from Trump's microphone to Crooks (or Yearick) on the roof. Cullens continues to dispute the distance calculations from the crack-boom delays done by Chris Martenson and Mike Adams, while Martenson and Adams continue to ignore Cullens' work, despite several of us trying to get Martenson and Adams to look at Cullens' work. Some of the shots were at almost that distance, but Cullens calculates that those shots came from the distance of the windows of that same single story AGR building, below and closer to Trump than was Crooks on its roof.
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    [John] Cullen's report on "How Many Shooters? John Cullen on the Trump Assassination Attempt (The Darkhorse Podcast)"
    I don't understand why no one else here is paying any attention to Cullen's work.
    From my perspective it's not so much not paying attention to it, for me Martenson is taking a rock-solidly sensible largely grounded approach, and is data gathering, in the main, and drawing some sensible conclusions based on that, and I like the way he does that.

    I could be wrong but my sense about Cullen, without having yet dived in fully, is that some of his suggestions and assertions appear a little far-fetched eg the "Water Tower figure" suggestion. Hardly a crime of course and we're all allowed to err, but, simply, for me, I'll get to Cullen later.
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    From my perspective it's not so much not paying attention to it, for me Martenson is taking a rock-solidly sensible largely grounded approach, and is data gathering, in the main, and drawing some sensible conclusions based on that, and I like the way he does that.
    Martenson is doing sensible analysis, yes ... of the evidence he considers.

    He refuses, despite a variety of us trying to encourage him to consider, some of the other evidence.

    Last week, Cullen's presented some quite compelling evidence of at least one shot coming from the water tower or trees close thereto. This was a shot that is visually evident, but not audibly evident.

    He continues to present further compelling evidence of other shots, and also quite careful calculations of the shot timings that differ critically from the calculations of Martenson and Mike Adams.

    If you don't consider what Cullens is finding, you won't yet know if he is finding evidence that Martenson and Adams haven't considered.
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    Interesting video about the shell casings and the way they would land from a shooting position. My take away is that there were two sets of shells, the five on one side of the crest of the roof and three that fell on the other side. This seems to tally up with the high strangeness of three well timed muffled shots followed by five quick UN-muffled ones. It smells to me. What a coincidence that they would "find" the shells in these two distinct groups.

    I tend to agree with the video maker that we will not get to the bottom of this, being that the FBI is the one doing this analysis, akin to the fox doing the investigation of the deaths of the chickens in the hen house......x...... N

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