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    Quote Posted by Antagenet (here)
    Wonderful thread Anna!
    I wish I had found this before I became severely B12 deficient. I believe mine is caused by genetic mutations
    and runs in my family. I was beginning to experience dementia and the B12 shots completely reversed it.
    I would be glad to share my experience if anyone is interested.
    Please, if you can add more about your experience with B12 Antagenet, that might help many others. I had a great Aunt, who before I was born was thought to be loosing her mind abilities, but it turned she was just low in zinc, and after supplementing zinc was perfectly well again.

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    For anyone worried about B12, (and is eating fish) I recommend eating sardines, herring and/or maquerel. They contain high
    amounts of B12. Just 100 gr. contain appr. 5 times the recommended daily intake

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    Quote Posted by Antagenet (here)
    Wonderful thread Anna!
    I wish I had found this before I became severely B12 deficient. I believe mine is caused by genetic mutations
    and runs in my family. I was beginning to experience dementia and the B12 shots completely reversed it.
    I would be glad to share my experience if anyone is interested.
    Yes, it is

    I recently had blood tests done (April) and my B12 count was a shocker. I'd more than pleased if you'd share some of your experience too, when you feel comfortable doing it.

    Essentially I've eschewed injections but am taking methylcobalamin supplements (5000mcg once per day). I've also reintroduced liver into my diet although perhaps the one food that contains extraordinary high natural levels of B12, clams, are a little tricky to come by here. And I've always got Marmite on hand as well. The issue I have almost exactly mirrors Anna's in that this is an absorption issue.

    I'd agreed with my GP, who is most excellent by the way, that we'd experiment in a dietary way initially, get some more tests done, perhaps nearing that time in a month or so, and see if there's any improvement. None of us can be certain when, or if this has always been an issue but has reared its head as I get a little older.
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    For anyone worried about B12, (and is eating fish) I recommend eating sardines, herring and/or maquerel. They contain high
    amounts of B12. Just 100 gr. contain appr. 5 times the recommended daily intake
    Yes, mackerel, and sardines. I've always got a few cans of those around at any time
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    Barley malt extract has enough B vitamins to justify having a large spoonful every day but only as a supplement.
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    Ok I will either work up a depiction of what happened to me concerning B12 deficiency, either here or in a new thread.

    Just one point I need to mention right away.
    Those of us who have a problem with B12 absorption in our guts need B12 injections
    and all the advice about what to eat that has high B12 does not apply to us.
    We will die without the injections, possibly slowly, but I saw myself age 10 years in a year
    and believe without B12 injections I would now be demented or dead.

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    Thank you all for your interest. Here is my story about B12 deficiency and how it almost did me in.

    2-3 years before diagnosis I began having the following symptoms. Numbness in toes which slowly spread to feet then ankles, then calves. A slow deterioration of muscle tone all over. Periods of intermittent dizziness/vertigo and fatigue. A worsening of lifelong digestive symptoms which include inflammation and constipation, decreased gut motility.

    A year before diagnosis I suddenly felt my spine growing cold when I was waking in early mornings. I thought it might be my old mattress so I bought a new one, but that didn't help. My fatigue was also getting worse. I had a few instances of stubbing my toe hard enough that I thought I broke it. (clumsiness). I began to have falls which were precipitated by momentary lack of consciousness.

    A few months before my diagnosis my symptoms increased. It seemed like everything was going wrong all at once. My foot/leg neuropathy worsened to include weakness in upper legs. My balance worsened, especially upon waking up. I also began to feel occasional nausea and shortness of breath. I was diagnosed with cataracts, borderline macular degeneration and glaucoma. My skin suddenly went from appearing middle aged to old. I began drying out after a lifetime of never having dry skin.

    A week before diagnosis the bottom of my feet started to feel burning sensations and I began to go into unexpected rages without any trigger, no good reason. I also began having dark thoughts that would come on with intensity. I was beginning to forget words. I began to have leg cramps and not just spinal cold sensitivity. I felt waves of cool energy zipping up the back of my head.

    The last symptom that put me into a panic was the bottom of my feet were turning a strange salmon color and had a sensation of burning. I coudlnt take a single step without pain.

    In a panic I searched for a new doctor, using google reviews. I spent my first session with him explaining my whole body was falling apart, amidst bursts of crying.
    On my second visit, a few days later, he said, I have something to help you. I didn't think anything could help but was willing to try. He gave me a B12 IV. About halfway through the IV my dark mood lifted and then I began to feel a little more capable of standing, walking and balancing.

    I then proceeded to receive B12/B6/B1 injections at intervals of 8 - 10 days. I could tell with each shot my neuropathy, balance, mood and fatigue was getting better. I began a journal to try to discover how many days would be best to wait before a new shot. I am now on my 52nd injection and have found the best interval for me is every 4 days. If I wait 5 days, my symptoms begin returning.

    Every day I wake up and thank God that I was lucky enough to find a medical doctor who understands this B12 deficiency and saved my life. I believe this was a lifelong problem caused my a series of mutations that became very slowly worse and worse. Looking back I had signs of deficiency that were obvious to me now, but had no idea about. Upon reviewing my mother, grandmother and great grandfathers medical history I am sure they also had this inability to absorb B12 from food. It sent all of them into varying levels of dementia and psychosis.

    I belong to an online forum for people with pernicious anemia/B12 deficiency which has thousands of members. A majority of us have been misdiagnosed and many have problems to this day convincing their doctors they need injections. https://pernicious-anaemia-society.org/forum/. B12 deficiency is a hugely misdiagnosed and underdiagosed problem. My own personal theory is that that big pharma doesn't want people to know about how cheap it is to treat B12 def. because they make a ton of money off all the misdiagnosis. Additionally I suspect that the lack of medical attention for this problem is intentional by the psychopaths at the top, just another way they can slowly and quietly genocide us while making $ off us. I bet if all the people in nursing homes were given a B12 injection, half of them would get up and walk out, feelling better and thinking more clearly than they had in years.

    Feel free to ask me questions either here or privately. Hugs to all.

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    https://vimeo.com/891099138/4150efa06b

    Another good video about B12

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    Thank you Antagenet for sharing your experience. I somehow missed your last post on July 5th and I found it very interesting to read. I will certainly by listening to the video you linked above.I am so pleased your health has turned around and you are on the mend now


    For a while now, maybe 9 months or so that I know of anyway, I was diagnosed with anemia, which I did not use to have. I have been taking a liquid B multi vitamin that is suppose to be easily absorbable. When I went for my last test to check my blood count it was actually worse even after taking good iron supplents and I have been wonderig what is going on. This week after being on discord with Bill he mentioned maybe trying B12 injections.


    I found the chemist does carry the ampules of the Hydroxocobalamin and also syringes. At first the chemist was hesitant to all them to be given without a perscription, but then they checked and it is ok, but they said it is recommended to check with your practitioner. (This is in Australia). It's all pretty easy to do, but it is advised to have another person present the first time incase you might be allergic to the formulation, or you could get the first one by a nurse if you are worried.


    I think I am already feeling a difference and I will be hoping my next blood test will show that there is an improvement in my red blood cell count.


    I have been thinking about strange things happening to people I know that are not vaccinated, but have had covid or think they had covid a few years ago. Some of the symptoms that seem to start up are more leg cramps, dry eye syndrome and other non diagnosed body symptoms. I do wonder if there are side affects for certain groups or blood groups after having covid, that are now sped up or something. I just thought I would mention that in case it helps any one else. Are we not absorbing our nutrients as well as we were before, and why?
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    https://www.infowarsstore.com/health...e/ultra-12-b12

    been using this product for years
    tastes so good
    works well

    and don't forget your iodine...
    https://www.infowarsstore.com/health...hield-x-3-1-oz
    everyone is deficient in iodine
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    Quote Posted by Harmony (here)
    Are we not absorbing our nutrients as well as we were before, and why?
    A large part of the population suffers from intestinal permeability, which can develop due to stress. The cells of the intestinal wall, in principle contiguous, deviate from each other. On the one hand, it allows many toxins or unusual molecules to pass through which will cause allergies ( such as gluten) and the intestine decreases its ability to absorb nutrients well.
    The amino acid L-glutamine fills these gaps and there are formulas that combine probiotics and glutamine, which give good results, including in cases of severe inflammation of the intestine.

    That said, there may be other causes for nutrient malabsorption. It is a complex system of balance, and it is better to supplement formulas that contain the absorption cofactors (e.g.: magnesium + calcium or iron + vitamin C).

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    Quote Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
    https://www.infowarsstore.com/health...e/ultra-12-b12

    been using this product for years
    tastes so good
    works well

    and don't forget your iodine...
    https://www.infowarsstore.com/health...hield-x-3-1-oz
    everyone is deficient in iodine

    Thank you Ernie for your recommendations. I haven't tried that exact B12 from the Infowars site. I did have another similar one a while back with the same kind of liquid B12 form, but it became very expensive and was usually out of stock so I used up the bottles of liquid Bvits. I already had with the cyanocobalamin form of B12, which was not the best idea knowing what I know now.


    I have been taking iodine each day for a couple of years now after reading all the recommedations on the forum, and how important that can be, especially in these times where we really need to take good care of our immune systems. And like many, fit the expense into a limited budget as well. I really like when I find a good food that is a supplement as well with rich sources of nutrition, like bee pollen, raw cocoa, coconut oil and organic fruits and vegetables and recently I am taking Carob molasses that is rich in nutrition and iron, which Bill mentioned, and it tastes good too.

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    This is an important thread. Literally everybody I have ever spoken to on the subject of B12 has no idea how serious it can be. Many years ago I heard an interview with a specialist on the subject who claimed B12 deficiency and related illness is one of the biggest scandals in the NHS. Unfortunately I can't recall his name.

    My own story regarding B12 started following a burst appendix; a few years of total misery, tests and implications that I was making it up. Removing gluten from my diet made, and continues to do so, a huge difference. Initially I thought that by avoiding gluten I had found the answer so dramatic was the difference but after the elation passed I realized things were still not right. Incidentally, the number of doctors who told me diet was unlikely to be responsible was surprising.

    Eventually one doctor decided to test for, amongst other things, B12. The results came back critically low which is pretty bad considering the NHS lower limits are already low by international standards. I went on supplements for a couple of months and retook the test only to find the results had dropped further. After this I had the loading doses and began to immediately feel better.

    My symptoms included (there are some omissions but I can't remember everything):
    Fatigue, worsening of vision, pins and needles in the feet and lower legs, itching, headaches, poor balance, excruciating stabbing pains in the muscle about five inches below the knees, fizzy feet (a kind of numbness), difficulty maintaining concentration, irritability (hard on one's family) and lethargy.

    One of the things that concerns me most is B12 and dementia. I can't help but wonder how many people have suffered terribly and so unnecessarily. A good friend of mines elderly mother had slipped into the early stages of dementia and she was told that it was just old age. In relating the story to me, fresh from my own experience with B12 deficiency I suggested she get her mother tested, especially in light of the fact that she had been taking proton pump inhibitors for reflux. It turned out she had critically low B12. She did show some improvement once the injections started but, unfortunately the long term damage had been done.

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    Quote Posted by Harmony (here)
    Are we not absorbing our nutrients as well as we were before, and why?
    A large part of the population suffers from intestinal permeability, which can develop due to stress. The cells of the intestinal wall, in principle contiguous, deviate from each other. On the one hand, it allows many toxins or unusual molecules to pass through which will cause allergies ( such as gluten) and the intestine decreases its ability to absorb nutrients well.
    The amino acid L-glutamine fills these gaps and there are formulas that combine probiotics and glutamine, which give good results, including in cases of severe inflammation of the intestine.

    That said, there may be other causes for nutrient malabsorption. It is a complex system of balance, and it is better to supplement formulas that contain the absorption cofactors (e.g.: magnesium + calcium or iron + vitamin C).

    Thank you Abondance, and yes, it is important to look to why a problem arises in the first place and bring our system into balance so it can better look after itself. I thought I was taking everything I needed, balanced supplements along with the best food I can afford and grow, so I was feeling a bit confused as to why this was happening (low red blood cell count). But it is requiring a closer look as to even more things I need to look into that I have overlooked. I think as you age requirements can also need some tweeking too

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    I listened to the video in post #28 by Antaganet and I do recommend others listen to it if they can. There does seem to be a definite connection mentioned a couple of times regarding the man made spike protein, Covid and long Covid and the stripping of B12 from peoples systems. Thanks again to Antagenet

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    Quote Posted by Harmony (here)
    I listened to the video in post #28 by Antaganet and I do recommend others listen to it if they can. There does seem to be a definite connection mentioned a couple of times regarding the man made spike protein, Covid and long Covid and the stripping of B12 from peoples systems. Thanks again to Antagenet
    Thanks for the recommendation to save this, and it's living here in our library now

    Perhaps I ought to start a B12 specific directory - I'll mull on that for the time being.

    Here it is:

    Cytoplan & Dr David Morris - Understanding the complexities and central role of B12 in health and life

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    Default Re: Vitamin B12 deficiency, what is going on?

    I use Global Healing Vitamin B12, Organic Sublingual Liquid Drops (3-in-1 Methylcobalamin, Adenosylcobalamin, Hydroxo Blend) found @ Amazon or Global Healing. I also use a time release B12 by Nature Made. I don’t take B12 or other supplements on a regular basis. One reason is my concern that an overabundance of one mineral/vitamin can result in a deficiency of another(s). The vitamin supplement I use is "Bio-Align Life Force Multiple".



    People often ask which is better – the naturally occurring Methylcobalamin or the synthetic Cyanocobalamin? link

    Some research suggests that cyanocobalamin, form of B12 is better.
    The jury is out, to be honest: the body does indeed absorb Cyanocobalamin very well but Methylcobalamin is considered to be retained better and for longer out of the different types of vitamins.
    What is the best form of vitamin B12 to take?
    The body may absorb cyanocobalamin better, while methylcobalamin has a higher retention rate. Both can prevent B12 deficiency, but methylcobalamin should be combined with adenosylcobalamin for best results.



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    Conditions affecting the stomach
    Some stomach conditions or stomach operations can prevent the absorption of enough vitamin B12. For example, a gastrectomy, a surgical procedure where part of your stomach is removed, increases your risk of developing a vitamin B12 deficiency.
    What limits B12 absorption?
    Gastric acid inhibitors - These drugs can interfere with vitamin B12 absorption from food by slowing the release of hydrochloric acid into the stomach, leading to vitamin B12 deficiency. Gastric acid inhibitors include omeprazole (Prilosec), lansoprazole (Prevacid), cimetidine (Tagamet), and ranitidine (Zantac).
    Does drinking water lower B12 levels?
    "As you intake more water you can begin to flush water soluble vitamins and minerals," Dr. Kinney told INSIDER. "Water soluble vitamins, such as the B Vitamins (B1, B2, B3, B6 & B12) & vitamin C, are not stored long term and may be excreted with excess water intake if you're not taking in proper supplementation, too.
    What factors affect vitamin B12 absorption? - link
    • Avoiding animal products.
    • Lack of intrinsic factor.
    • Inadequate stomach acid or medications that cause decreased stomach acid.
    • Intestinal surgeries or digestive disorders that cause malabsorption.
    • Medications that interfere with absorption.

    What is the most absorbable B12 supplement?
    Methylcobalamin is the most bio-available type of Vitamin B12 which means the body absorbs it more easily. Naturally occurring, it is found in animal-based foods such as meat, fish, milk and eggs so Methylcobalamin B12 is readily available in many people's daily diets.
    What would cause your body to not absorb B12?
    Lifestyle habits: Drinking too much alcohol can make it harder for your body to absorb vitamin B12. For men this is more than two drinks in a day. For women, it's more than one drink in a day. Medicines: Taking certain medicines can make it harder for your body to absorb vitamin B12 over time.
    What cancels out B12?
    As summarized in the table provided, vitamin B12 (cobalamin) absorption and utilization by the body can be compromised with the chronic use of certain medications which include: colchicine, chloramphenicol, ethanol, histamine 2 receptor antagonists (H2RA), metformin, and proton pump inhibitors (PPI).
    What aggravates B12 deficiency?
    Conditions that interfere with nutrient absorption, such celiac or Crohn's disease, can cause B12trouble. So can the use of commonly prescribed heartburn drugs, which reduce acid production in the stomach (acid is needed to absorb vitamin B12).
    What is the fastest way to recover from B12 deficiency?
    How to raise your B12 levels fast. The most common way to treat B12 deficiencies is by adjusting your diet. If this is unsuccessful, vitamin supplements may be recommended. If you're looking to boost the amount of vitamin B12 in your diet, you should eat more animal products, like meat, seafood, dairy and eggs.
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    Thanks Running Dear for the information above. The Global Healing Vitamin B12 linked above really looks like a good quality and formulation to try

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    Quote Posted by Harmony (here)
    Are we not absorbing our nutrients as well as we were before, and why?
    A large part of the population suffers from intestinal permeability, which can develop due to stress. The cells of the intestinal wall, in principle contiguous, deviate from each other. On the one hand, it allows many toxins or unusual molecules to pass through which will cause allergies ( such as gluten) and the intestine decreases its ability to absorb nutrients well.
    The amino acid L-glutamine fills these gaps and there are formulas that combine probiotics and glutamine, which give good results, including in cases of severe inflammation of the intestine.

    That said, there may be other causes for nutrient malabsorption. It is a complex system of balance, and it is better to supplement formulas that contain the absorption cofactors (e.g.: magnesium + calcium or iron + vitamin C).
    Great post, thank you,
    I have been listening to Dr Ken Berry quite a lot in the last half year and as a result starting to eat lots of beef and cut out all bread/grain products for the last 4 months. My energy levels have been much better.

    Some family members came to stay last week and their food habits are pretty filthy🤣.
    I felt like joining in to see what would happen. Surprisingly I had no ill effects from cheese and bread, which I always had. So that might imply that my gut permeability has greatly improved eating lots of beef.

    Here is a video by Dr Ken Berry on vitamin B12 symtoms.
    check him out, many great videos and the comments sections are full of goodies.
    he recomends the carnivore diet to which I dont feel is quite my thing.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=

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    Quote Posted by Harmony (here)
    Thank you Antagenet for sharing your experience. I somehow missed your last post on July 5th and I found it very interesting to read. I will certainly by listening to the video you linked above.I am so pleased your health has turned around and you are on the mend now


    For a while now, maybe 9 months or so that I know of anyway, I was diagnosed with anemia, which I did not use to have. I have been taking a liquid B multi vitamin that is suppose to be easily absorbable. When I went for my last test to check my blood count it was actually worse even after taking good iron supplents and I have been wonderig what is going on. This week after being on discord with Bill he mentioned maybe trying B12 injections.


    I found the chemist does carry the ampules of the Hydroxocobalamin and also syringes. At first the chemist was hesitant to all them to be given without a perscription, but then they checked and it is ok, but they said it is recommended to check with your practitioner. (This is in Australia). It's all pretty easy to do, but it is advised to have another person present the first time incase you might be allergic to the formulation, or you could get the first one by a nurse if you are worried.


    I think I am already feeling a difference and I will be hoping my next blood test will show that there is an improvement in my red blood cell count.


    I have been thinking about strange things happening to people I know that are not vaccinated, but have had covid or think they had covid a few years ago. Some of the symptoms that seem to start up are more leg cramps, dry eye syndrome and other non diagnosed body symptoms. I do wonder if there are side affects for certain groups or blood groups after having covid, that are now sped up or something. I just thought I would mention that in case it helps any one else. Are we not absorbing our nutrients as well as we were before, and why?
    Harmony, Thanks for sharing your story. I am glad you were able to get the B12 injections, and also have someone with you the first treatment.

    It's also important to note, that a garden variety low B12 is not the same as a pernicious B12 deficiency which means a FATAL deficiency. Those of us who have this do not absorb enough or any B12 from food or supplements. Without B12 INJECTIONS we would die.

    Yes I think there are many people with low B12 who are not aware of it and I also mention it to friends who might need more of it.

    Unfortunately the idea of injections/shots is not comfortable for many people and they resist trying even one B12 shot. Usually like both of us, one can tell a difference immediately and it is clear whether one needs it or not.

    Then the B12 shots are manufactured by pharma companies. I understand the reticence as I avoided as much pharma poison as I could for my whole life, not even taking aspirin! But the B12 injections are a Vitamin, not a poison.
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