An important announcement following the closure of the WORM TONGUE thread

[Northern Boy]

Steve ask me straight out then leave the dead text out of it

[modwiz]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)

Posted by Dennis (here)
This song is about Israel taking Jericho, but lately I've expanded my perception of it to symbolize our struggle vs. TPW and the low vibrating parasites of the world.

Its really more of an anthem, cant listen to this song without getting pumped.

Thought id share

PS: heres the link if the embedded one is broken.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=maKzryD30vc

Let's see if that works.

You know Lord Sidious you are seriously creating malnourishment for the entities who are feasting here.

Good job!

[Belle]

Obviously the carrots are working, Modwiz.

[Icecold]

Posted by InCiDeR (here)

Posted by Icecold (here)
LOL. It may not have anything to do with Admin or mods.

Be aware that there are specialised people or AIs who have infiltrated this forum.

Edit: to suggest a far greater problem that email security breaches.

What I'm saying is that it is not ADMIN and it is not MODS. Speculative at the moment, Edit

This is not a fantasy I'm afraid.

First, I'm still trying to catch up in this thread, at page #7 as of now. I apologize if this matter already has been discussed. Nevertheless, I think Icecold address some important issues that should be considered with great reflection. That consideration might change the flow of speculation of "who did and who did not" read the PM, E-mails that you perceived as "private".

I put myself in a dangerous situation, but my decision might be of value for project Avalon. I've come to believe that this forum is extremly important for the readiness and outcome of future events. I made this decision myself, and it is only myself I can blame for being foolish enough to choose my member name.

For more than a decade I've been deeply involved, and I mean deeply, in the so called "The Scene", more commonly known as "the hacking community". If you ever come across any of the more famous names, presented in the media, I can assure you that they are just the bottom of the pyramid. The ones in the top never got caught, never will be caught and many times they even control how the police, FBI, CIA and Interpol search for them.

I have many thoughts about AI, security and how we "should" interpret Internet, who is controlling it and why. I have restrained myself from letting those thoughts out, because I left "The Scene" 2008 and I don't want the dangerous parts back in my life and eventually stab me in my back.

Believe me when I say that it might not be Bill or the moderators that have been [and still are] reading your PM or E-mail. It is an easy doing for the ones in the "know how"... I could, but I won't!

Remember, nothing is private on the internet.

Face it.
Live with it.
Let it go.

We have a future to take care of!
That is a much more important issue.
I hope to be a part of it.


Avalonians, thy word are a lamp unto my feet and a light for my path / InCiDeR

Thanks for your post InCiDeR. That was a brave thing you did. We both know this.

Cheers my friend.

[Maria Stade]

Yes this carrot message is it about the protection, now when the sun is going vilde ??


Shine bright all !

All Love (and carrots)

[Koyaanisqatsi]

It would've been nice for Richard to stay around, he always had valuable things to . For some reason 80% of Celine's posts bothered me. She seemed combative and polarized the charles material to the blue max. I know MANY well respected PA members who agree with my sentiment on that issue, she simply became combative to anyone who didn't fully buy into the validity of the charles material, and became defensive much too quickly. She is free to worship as she chooses. Wish Richard could stay and have his wife move on to other endeavors, just my own selfish personal opinion. I support all your choices on such matters bill, but I am regretful it ever came to this.

[Intraphase]

Posted by ace (here)
Lord sid

I had to quote you in irony here, as I can't shove one of the organic carrots up your nose.
Do you see that the red applies to you more than most in this thread?
I had no horse in the Gypsy Woman stakes, but here is the rub, if you continue to pull off the scab, the wounds will never heal.
And carrying on about one sided deals, that is life.
I have been banned from forums and had far worse said about me than anyone here has or is saying about anyone else.
.

post deleat

Daft rush of blood to the head. stupid no point.

apologise to the recipient.


Ace

Are you silenced?
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[witchy1]

i try not to hate.... but i really hate politics!

and mosquitos

[benevolentcrow]

I am not bound for any public place, but for ground of my own where I have planted vines and orchard trees, and in the heat of the day climbed up into the healing shadow of the woods.
~ Wendell Berry

Can we move past this and let the healing begin?

[granny]

[QUOTE=Levent tonga;162690][QUOTE=Dennis Leahy;162628]

Posted by Northern Boy;

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#321[/U] Dennis if need be i could tell you things about Celine and Richard that would in fact allow you to understand to a greater depth of what`s going on then you are aware of It would change many heres opinion of this site and as far as Bill goes he is not the man you see on camera or here in this forum there is another side to him you will never know

All this friggening talk of ego take your Eckhart Tolle crap and shove it. There is an even larger problem going on here its called blind stupidity .

Despite what you Think Bill doesn`t have all the answers but how many times do i see the words " Wonder What Bill`s take on this is " And what do we conclude from it ? Let me spell it out if Bill says is ok then good enough for me. Whats wrong scared to make a decision for yourselves? i could put so much more in here But I`m holding off . But i will add this Bill can not walk on water nor turn it to wine he is no smarter then some others i have met on this forum> He has a vision of what he wants to see and is allowing you to do his brainstorming and create it along with him. But in the end his vision will still contain a hierarchy and thus we chase our tails once again

Gypsy woman I`m willing to bet Bill has made arrangements to have her reinstated as well as Lee . I for one would have ripped her a new a ss ages ago but held back out of respect Richard and some others . She has no business here and to use a quote from one that he used when JT was shown the door " I think She Is off her meds"


I know something but I PM ed to some one, I do not need to tell you. But if I tell you it would not be a secret I know the secret .I can tell you but may not . She is right but maybe she is not. But I know the truth and you will never learn it. I talk to someone he told me the truth
I was crying then my husband get upset to him. I can cry because I am a women. Maybe I can take your head of with blood everywhere then you can say sorry to my wife.
Or, I saw a Jack Nicholson movie he was using my words.
What is it going on in this circus?
Anyone? Some one has to talk maybe at off topic(closed to the earthling)

Ok ... now I am really confused. What in the horse's butt does that mean?
gran <---totally am not understanding.

[modwiz]

Posted by Maria Stade (here)
Yes this carrot message is it about the protection, now when the sun is going vilde ??


Shine bright all !

All Love (and carrots)

I love learning new words. What is vilde?

Love and carrots.
( I just might juice some)

Vilde=wild?

[benevolentcrow]

Love one another and help others to rise to the higher levels, simply by pouring out love. Love is infectious and the greatest healing energy.
~ Sai Baba

[modwiz]

Posted by witchy1 (here)

i try not to hate.... but i really hate politics!

and mosquitos

Only the ones that bite.

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[QUOTE=granny;162962][QUOTE=Levent tonga;162690]

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)

Posted by Northern Boy;

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#321[/U] Dennis if need be i could tell you things about Celine and Richard that would in fact allow you to understand to a greater depth of what`s going on then you are aware of It would change many heres opinion of this site and as far as Bill goes he is not the man you see on camera or here in this forum there is another side to him you will never know

All this friggening talk of ego take your Eckhart Tolle crap and shove it. There is an even larger problem going on here its called blind stupidity .

Despite what you Think Bill doesn`t have all the answers but how many times do i see the words " Wonder What Bill`s take on this is " And what do we conclude from it ? Let me spell it out if Bill says is ok then good enough for me. Whats wrong scared to make a decision for yourselves? i could put so much more in here But I`m holding off . But i will add this Bill can not walk on water nor turn it to wine he is no smarter then some others i have met on this forum> He has a vision of what he wants to see and is allowing you to do his brainstorming and create it along with him. But in the end his vision will still contain a hierarchy and thus we chase our tails once again

Gypsy woman I`m willing to bet Bill has made arrangements to have her reinstated as well as Lee . I for one would have ripped her a new a ss ages ago but held back out of respect Richard and some others . She has no business here and to use a quote from one that he used when JT was shown the door " I think She Is off her meds"


I know something but I PM ed to some one, I do not need to tell you. But if I tell you it would not be a secret I know the secret .I can tell you but may not . She is right but maybe she is not. But I know the truth and you will never learn it. I talk to someone he told me the truth
I was crying then my husband get upset to him. I can cry because I am a women. Maybe I can take your head of with blood everywhere then you can say sorry to my wife.
Or, I saw a Jack Nicholson movie he was using my words.
What is it going on in this circus?
Anyone? Some one has to talk maybe at off topic(closed to the earthling)

Ok ... now I am really confused. What in the horse's butt does that mean?
gran <---totally am not understanding.

Step away from the rabbit hole and nobody will get hurt.

[Northern Boy]

I know something but I PM ed to some one, I do not need to tell you. But if I tell you it would not be a secret I know the secret .I can tell you but m

ay not . She is right but maybe she is not. But I know the truth and you will never learn it. I talk to someone he told me the truth
I was crying then my husband get upset to him. I can cry because I am a women. Maybe I can take your head of with blood everywhere then you can say sorry to my wife.
Or, I saw a Jack Nicholson movie he was using my words.
What is it going on in this circus?
Anyone? Some one has to talk maybe at off topic(closed to the earthling)

These are not my words so don`t get to confused .................................. Love and light to all peace baby

[jorr lundstrom]

Posted by Darla Ken Jensen Pearce (here)

Posted by Ross (here)

Then there is the issue about PMs and whether Mods: can or cannot read them

I wish to state this very clearly:

In my 2.5 years as a Mod I have never been privy to any PM's other than my own. I have NO knowledge of access to Pm's from an Adminstrative point of view and I did have access to the Admin area.

It never entered my mind nor did I ever witness such discussions of access when working in the backroom. I have been here the longest as a Mod. I do not know of anything remotely along these lines of access to members Private Pm's. Period.

Regards

Ross

Okay, we have Ross, Paul, and Bill ~ I rest my case. Let us go forward into the light and if forgiveness can be given, let it be so ~ sooner or later ; ) xoxox

Hallo Darla. Ive been all over looking for you and finally I found you here pondering over light and forgiveness. How sweet.

Im not sure about that going forward into the light, you know like OBE:s meeting your relatives whos gonne ahead and all that creepy stuff.

Have done firewalking a couple of times and that wasnt creepy at all, just unbelievably hot. Well not like pepper or mystard, more like

when the sun is really whipping our bodies from a cloudless sky. And yeah we are friends, you and I. Well cherrioooo now I take a walk and

look for my playmate, Ahkenaten. See you. Love and car rots

[Inelia]

Posted by NxTLvL34 (here)
With all due respect, the references being made about Bill being someone else in private are creating anxiety for me.

I want so much to be a part of a family and I look at so many of my elders here with respect.

I wish to learn and grow together. But I can't shake this feeling that things are a complete illusion here.

In a world full of mass deception, I truly was hoping against the odds that I had found a place where people would be real.

But now with all the accusations and secrecy, I am torn.

I honestly feel like a scared child in my dark bedroom with the blankets over my head while my parents argue and scream at each other in the next room.

I need a hug Avalon. I'm scared.

Hi NxTL34

I cannot speak for Celine, but from my personal perspective, what she has said about how Bill behaves in private is completely off the wall.

I've had the pleasure of spending a whole week working closely with Bill during the conference, and also have spent a lot of time online and in person with him. I have watched him interact with friends, co-workers and interviewees, sometimes under extreme energetic pressure, and can tell you that he is the most gentle, beautiful, gentlemanly person I have had the pleasure of interacting with. I have also spent many, many hours working closely with him via the internet, and in person before and after the conference. From what I hear, Celine only met him once in person.

And I am not the only person to say this. Bob Dean himself, held Bill's hand at one point and told him words to the effect of, "you are one of my favorite persons on the planet Bill".

Celine's poisonous (and veiled) accusations, are completely false.

[Merkaba360]

Isn't transparency a part of what is coming thru this consciousness shift, on many levels.

Are we really going to be able to create a new and sane world without being able to see thru each other?

A consciousness where we can see right thru the fakes and liars. Is this possible in our lifetime?

you know , the "you don't know me" responses would be laughed at, cuz actually my abilities do penetrate you and I do know you (as far as what can be witnessed in the present. Look at your yeller (yellow) aura = LIAR !! lol

Of course we will never know each other, for the mystery is who we are and unpredictable is one with consciousness.

Can we please try to hurry and create a new group that isn't owned by anyone, with no head to be targeted and decapitated. Please do it before some annoying powers figure out a way to derail this forum. It does seem somebody is shaking in their boots. We must be of concern if we really do have all these types, machine or not, hounding us.

Eventually, you are going to have to accept the fact that you are transparent. The machines see thru a lot. I am so sick of fake people, Its fueling me to obtain untold powers of penetration to see thru all of you....muhuhuhahahha. I wish there was a group to follow with a council of Jedi's who would laugh at all the attempts to play games and deceive.

I know that in reality i'm insanely powerful. But until I have abilities like these fully active, who am I kidding.

[Zook]

Good Morning Good Avalon Good Bill,

Bill, I think it unfortunate that you took this course of action with respect to Richard and Celine. You owe them both an apology, at the very least.

I came to Avalon about six months ago because I believed in your integrity. I believed in the man in the famous hat that I had seen in all those videos. I trusted in his view of the world, and in the way he treated people. A genteel soul and a group leader. Sadly, I must leave now because the illusion of an enlightened soul and a gentle man ... has been replaced with the tragic reality of a man burdened with ego, beset with misguided purpose, quick to throw friends under the bus, never admitting to fallibility when his mistakes are pointed out to him, overrules consensus decisions arrived by the moderating staff to protect the integrity and charter of Avalon ... in short, an autocrat. I think you were a good man - and deep inside, may still be a good man ... but you have clearly lost your way. I would be delinquent in my duty as an Avalonian, and as a friend to the genuinely great people and passengers on the ship of Avalon (that I have come to respect and love) ... if I kept silent on these observations.

The Ship of Avalon is a volunteer argosy. We are all here with our time and energy to try and make the sail a clean one, an informational one, an adventurous one. The charter is is essentially round table in design (e.g. a ship of equals); but even a ship of equals requires a crew. And Bill, to your credit, you were a good Captain for much of the early voyage. But sometimes, in the fog, even good captains lose their way. Unless there is a lighthouse to warn of danger, the ship will run aground in the night. To this, the moderating team was that lighthouse ... aboard the ship but also on the boulders of the rugged shore. Two places at once. And in that lighthouse - while I've been here - Richard was the large light bulb. Without his dedication and love for the ship and voyage, this sail would've grounded long ago. I have not one bad word to say against him. And if you had been thinking clearly, neither would you. Celine is a good heart. I know her basically through her posts on Avalon as you all do. I have only positive things to say about her, also. If she has a fault, maybe it is being too open with her heart. But that's not really a fault as much as an inconvenience to those not used to loving energy. Certainly, Avalonians could use some love these days.

I made the final decision to deMOD myself after I'd seen this post of yours today. It reeks of throwing a good faithful friend under the bus - who's always had the best interests of Avalon and yourself at heart ... and promoting yourself as the white knight riding in to save Avalon. Sorry ... I've always been a straight shooting son of a hitch (Mom and Dad got together in 1962) ... and so i have to call it like I see it, whatever the consequences. Something has happened to you Bill. I don't know what. But it has taken a good man to bad places. Only you can fix yourself and your compunction for autocracy. Maybe then, you will be right again to captain this ship to the adventures on the high seas. I say this with all good intentions for you. Even as I leave the Avalon crew alongside other good people - all exceptional souls - I wish you the very best in the future.

Humble opinions all around.



ps: To all Avalonians, including those I've disagreed with in the past ... you have my love and respect.

ps2: In the end, it wasn't a gypsy ... or one to kill a mocking bird ... it was AUTOCRACY.

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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Dear Friends:

Many of you will have seen the WORM TONGUE thread that was started yesterday by Celine.

If you have not, you may need quite a strong stomach to wade through it to the end.

I closed it as soon as it was brought to my attention.

This is an extract from one of many PMs that I received after I closed it:

Dear Bill,

I was waiting for the cavalry to show - thanks for that. I'm not privy to what's going on, it's not important and I do not need to know. Suffice to say, I've seen nothing less than a witch-hunt going on here today/tonight and it's been awful (disgusting is more apt). I have never seen moderators behave this way, ever. For a member to be told to feck off by a senior moderator is well... I have no words.

I understand that I am a new member to your forum and so cannot expect to know all personalities yet and how they interact or choose to present themselves, but I can tell you that I expected more from some of our senior members, it's left me speechless.

Amen to that. I have asked Richard to leave the forum. It is no longer appropriate that he holds the position he has done for quite a long while. I here ask Celine to leave with him and to take their energies elsewhere. I am making this call, and the call is mine alone, and I believe that the forum will now settle down to a significant degree in the days and weeks to come.

None of the other moderators have been involved in this decision, although I know that some of them are in full agreement with me. Others will protest: an understandable result of conflict of loyalties based on long friendship - and they may also leave. That is all fine.

There are no bad people here. Only incompatibilities, human frailty in various forms, and strong differences of opinion that make it impossible for the continuity of a functioning team as currently structured. The world will continue, and so will Avalon, which is larger than any individual.

I want to thank Richard for his hard work and commitment to the forum over a long period of time, which probably feels to him even longer. He is a good man, and he snapped.

On my part, the final breakdown of trust happened when it was brought to my attention that he had shared with the other moderators that he intended to leave with a tell-all post that would be very deliberately negative and destructive. That may still come, but if it does, the vindictiveness that powers it will be transparent.

I told him, when I spoke with him on the phone a few hours ago, that the call was his whether to leave with dignity - or to leave with negativity, bitterness, and a fully destructive action. He said he would indeed make that call, and ended the conversation. I hope that he makes the correct decision, for the sake of his own karma.

I will terminate their accounts in 24 hours from now.

I thank Richard sincerely here for his many hours of commitment to make the world a better place in this particular way in which he has been able to contribute. The pressures he has been under have been near-impossible to manage or balance. He has been torn in half with his fierce loyalty to his wife Celine, and his equally fierce loyalty to myself and the forum. They could not reasonably coexist in one person.

Celine, like many of us, has her own internal battles to wage and her personal mountains to climb. But this forum is no longer the appropriate venue for that to be conducted in public view.

The pressure Richard was under erupted in so much suppressed anger that it is self-evident that he must take his leave. I have contacted the hosting company to change all the passwords to the server and elsewhere. I cannot risk a moment of angry insanity which would destroy the heartfelt co-creation of many thousands of people over a long year of human experience in all its richness. I regret that I felt obliged to take that protective step, but it was the right thing to do.

I regard all the moderators as my friends, and always have done. It's for them to choose whether to return my deep feeling of sincere fellowship. I expect a number of them to step down, and this is all fine. Beth has already done so, and I accepted her resignation, which she conveyed with all the dignity and grace that I would expect from her. I thank her here for her countless hours of hard work on behalf of you all, as I do Rich.

As I wrote above, the world continues. In the meantime, I will not see this forum polluted by negative emotion, smears, innuendoes, and unjustified personal attack. If we want to create a better world, it has to start here, with each of us personally and with the way we relate to others. While that construction job is in progress, there may be certain people who we exclude from the worksite. Ultimately, of course, we are all in this together.

With my best wishes to everyone ~ Bill

[jorr lundstrom]

Hi everybody. Has anybody seen Ahkenaten. Thought he was here somewhere. Hmmmmm

[Redtailhawk]

Posted by Chicodoodoo (here)
Just a thought, but could all of this be a deliberately manufactured distraction to divert our attention away from something else really important?

Maybe it's just a coincidence, or maybe I have a swollen head (ego), but it was shortly after I started the thread "United People - an alternative world order" that all this disharmony was suddenly unleashed.

The thought just crossed my mind....

I thought I had better throw it out there, even at the risk of becoming a laughing stock or being tarred and feathered. It could be important.

Are you suggesting a "false flag"? Very astute of you, sure has come to my mind