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    • Crop Circles Mystery: Five UFOs Seen by Farmer | Close Encounter:

    CROP CIRCLES: SEPTEMBER 30, 1974 – Saskatchewan farmer, Edwin Fuhr is harvesting rapeseed when he spots a stainless steel metal object in his field. As first, he assumes it is a duck blind. He gets off his tractor to inspect and then sees a symmetrical bun-shaped object hovering a foot off the ground. He sees that the grass underneath is swirling in a clockwise motion. When he returns to his tractor, he sees four other identical objects. After 15 minutes, all five objects simultaneously move straight up and fly away. An investigation by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police discovers circular swirls of grass for each UFO position reported by Edward Fuhr. BOOMERANG, JULY 12, 1984 – Fire Chief Dave Athens was talking with a police officer in a Danbury Connneticut parking lot when they observe six or seven bright lights arranged in a circular pattern. When the bright lights go out, they see a new group of red lights ‘underneath’ in what appears to be a triangular-shaped object. Dozens of bystanders also see the object that they describe as being 100 metres wide and approximately 500 metres above their heads. It is part of a ‘wave’ of sightings in the Hudson Valley area outside of New York City, where over 5000 similar sightings are reported between 1983-1986.
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    • BIG CLAIMS! Lue Elizondo's book reviewed by the New York Times. What comes next?

    Lue Elizondo was part of the New York Times article that blew the roof off the place back in 2017. Well The New York Times are writing another article about Lue covering his new book. The claims in the book are wild to say the least. There are also some claims that we have heard before. Does this add to the argument or does it demand more proof to prove the stories. Kristian Harloff discusses.
    —> Humanity is not the Alpha Species.

    No, It's not. We're a kind of science experiment, only partly in anyone's control any more, all in a kind of planetary nature reserve that humanity is methodically destroying.

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    • BIG CLAIMS! Lue Elizondo's book reviewed by the New York Times. What comes next?

    Lue Elizondo was part of the New York Times article that blew the roof off the place back in 2017. Well The New York Times are writing another article about Lue covering his new book. The claims in the book are wild to say the least. There are also some claims that we have heard before. Does this add to the argument or does it demand more proof to prove the stories. Kristian Harloff discusses.
    ~~~

    Here's the full text of Joe Murgia's own review:

    https://x.com/TheUfoJoe/status/1824495966101311563

    *First review of Lue's complete book is here and my comments are in ( ) *

    "...technology and biological remains of nonhuman origin have been retrieved from these crashes.

    "Elizondo said that he had firsthand knowledge of what he was discussing, but that his security clearances prevented him from explaining the source of his knowledge."||

    ~~~

    "In the book he asserted that a decades-long U.F.O. crash retrieval program has been operating as a supersecret umbrella group made up of government officials working with defense and aerospace contractors. Over the years, he wrote, technology and biological remains of nonhuman origin have been retrieved from these crashes.

    (We need to know HOW Lue knows this.)

    “'Humanity is, in fact, not the only intelligent life in the universe, and not the alpha species,' Elizondo wrote.

    (I love the previous work they have done but I think it would have been better if somebody besides Ralph and Leslie had reviewed this book. I'd like the viewpoint from an open-minded journalist who has not covered this subject and is not a debunker. That rules out @julianbarnes ! )

    "Elizondo wrote that the craft and 'the nonhuman intelligence controlling them present, at best, a very serious national security issue, and at worst, the possibility of an existential threat to humanity.'"

    (Some people are mad because Lue considered that threat possibility. Well, deal with it because, AFAIK, we just don't know. Or do we? I hope he explains why an existential threat is still on the table. Is just it a matter of leaving all options on said table? If so, that tells me they may not have made as much progress with deciphering intention as we had hoped. Or, do they have specific data that points in the existential-threat direction?)

    "In an interview, Elizondo said that he had firsthand knowledge of what he was discussing, but that his security clearances prevented him from explaining the source of his knowledge."

    (That may explain why, when Karl Nell was asked at SALT about what evidence he has seen, he replied like this:

    Nell: "Well, probably a better way to ask that is, how can the folks in the audience come to the, you know, a common understanding of what this phenomenon is? And so there's sort of two tracks here. One is from first principles, and another is actually from the data. So let's take a look at the data. So we can look at some folks that have very high-level access to information like Paul Hellyer, who is the defense chief for Canada, has come out and said the same thing.

    "We can look at Haim Eshed, the head of Israel's, or former head of Israel's Space Force has said the same thing. Chris Mellon, Deputy Assistant Secretary for Intel SAPCO has essentially said the same thing. Lue Elizondo has said the same thing, David Grusch, has said the same thing. David Grusch cleared for presidentially level material. So you're looking at people that are in a position to know this, and they're telling you the same thing."

    (I would have preferred if the words "Paul Hellyer" never came out of Nell's mouth, and the same for Eshed, who is still an unknown, as far as if he had any inside information from his job as the Israel space security chief. And I wish Nell would have added: "I've seen some things firsthand but I'm not allowed to go there." But, IMO, he's probably just being extra careful and trying to avoid prison or losing his clearance, if he still has one.)

    ~~~ Back to the NYT article from today ~~~

    "[Elizondo] got Pentagon approval to publish his book partly by attributing some of the information to other sources whose comments had previously been approved. Elizondo also said he was not approved to discuss his involvement in any other secret projects beyond the program he once led."

    (Other projects is tantalizing. But we're still stuck. And if Lue testifies at any upcoming hearing, he won't be able to share that information in a public setting. Will firsthand witnesses be in the same boat? That seems to be the case. If so, we're kind of f**ked.)

    "In 2007, the Defense Intelligence Agency launched the U.F.O.-related Advanced Aerospace Weapons System Applications Program, funded with $22 million..."

    (That might be the first time Kean or Blumenthal has written about AAWSAP. Seven years late but I'll take it.)

    "Elizondo said that he met with the A.A.R.O. director and his staff for three hours in a secure facility on Feb. 2, 2023, and gave them classified information about the history of the crash retrieval program."

    (There are other folks who did the same thing and educated Kirkpatrick/AARO on what they know about that subject.)

    "Elizondo continues to hold the highest security clearances, and to consult for the government."

    "A veteran scientist with top security clearance whom Elizondo quotes in the book, Harold E. Puthoff, was part of Elizondo’s U.F.O. program.

    "Elizondo 'has briefed us on information that he obtained that appears to be firsthand data and I have no reason to discount that,' Puthoff said in an interview. 'He certainly had clearances to get primary information.'"

    (What bothers me there is "appears to be firsthand data." One thing that Kirkpatrick has harped on is that none of the information he received from witnesses has been firsthand and is always, "So and so told me." And when he did look into it, it didn't check out as NHI. I would expect Puthoff to be rock solid on whether it was firsthand information or not, but it may just be a case of him having to trust Elizondo because he (Puthoff) doesn't have the clearances to verify what Elizondo told him.

    Something like...Well, Lue said he learned about x and y, firsthand, but to know for sure, I'd have to see that evidence for myself and that's just not possible. So, since I trust Lue, I'll just say that it APPEARS to be firsthand information.

    (This tells that Puthoff may very well NOT have firsthand access to the best UAP data if he's relying on others (like Lue) to tell him about it.)

    "Elizondo also wrote in the memoir of personal encounters with U.A.P., describing green-glowing orbs about the size of a basketball that invaded his home on and off for over seven years. The objects were able to pass through walls, and behaved as if they were under intelligent control, he wrote.

    "The orbs were also witnessed by his wife, two daughters and their neighbors, he wrote.

    (I really hope we get to hear from other witnesses because they're so important. Especially neighbors. But the way the trolls and pseudos have treated Lue, they may want to stay in the shadows. And I can't blame them if that's the case.)

    As for “our friends from out of town,” they do not appear to be benevolent, he wrote; perhaps they are neutral. Or they could be a threat to humanity.

    (The Love and Light folks must be livid right now. )

    “'We can no longer stick our heads in the sand,' he writes. 'We know we are not alone.'"

    (That's a shift from when he told @ErinBurnett in 2017 that, "We may not be alone. Whatever that means."

    One thing that was in the early leak of this book was this:

    "Over time, my colleagues and I gained insight into how these mysterious UAP operate, and into the intentions of the nonhuman intelligence behind them."

    At another point, he writes:

    "This assumes that our friends from out of town have bad intentions. We still don't know that for sure..."

    I hope the full book goes into detail about HOW they gained that insight into intent and how confident they are about their conclusions. It's always been about intent.)
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    • What did John F. Kennedy know — and not know — about UFOs? | Morning in America:

    When John F. Kennedy became president in the early 1960s, there was a lot he knew about unidentified flying objects, aka UFOs, former Australian intelligence official Geoff Cruickshank told NewsNation’s “Reality Check with Ross Coulthart.” For instance, official government footage which appears to show multiple Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) captured while he was in office has since been made public. For instance, footage of a high-altitude nuclear test called “Bluegill,” part of “Operation Fishbowl,” appears to show an object plummeting to the ocean below after the bomb goes off. A second angle of the explosion includes a triangle of paper over that same area, which Cruickshank says is an indication that the first unredacted video was released by accident.
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    • 10 Must-Know Facts from Lue Elizondo's Book 'Imminent':
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    • Lue Elizondo on US Reverse Engineering Programs and Hidden Human History:
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    Lue Elizondo and Dave Grush are low IQ actors. Far more credit should be given to the tooth fairy myth.

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    Elizondo is to UFOs what Zahi Hawass is to Egypt (Pyramids, Sphinx, the ancient secrets of Giza).

    They are not the way-showers of truth but the gatekeepers of it.
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    • Lue Elizondo Handled Alien Device:

    Lue Elizondo handled an alien device that may be of non-human origin. Alien in this context refers to how exotic and mysterious it is regardless of its origin. Dave Grusch is also featured in this video.
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    • Confessions of a UFO Hunter: Ross Coulthart interviews Lue Elizondo:

    Former Pentagon insider, veteran and investigator Luis "Lue" Elizondo is quite possibly the most important voice in the modern UFO movement, and he sat down with NewsNation's Ross Coulthart to share the story of what he claims the American government really knows about UFOs.
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    • Confessions of a UFO Hunter: Ross Coulthart interviews Lue Elizondo:

    Former Pentagon insider, veteran and investigator Luis "Lue" Elizondo is quite possibly the most important voice in the modern UFO movement, and he sat down with NewsNation's Ross Coulthart to share the story of what he claims the American government really knows about UFOs.
    I suffered through this video with my eyes rolling. Dumbed down for TV, heavily scripted, and heavily edited. Worthless to the serious UFO community.

    I don't trust Elizondo one bit and I'm 90-95% sure this is all an op. I'd far rather listen to John Lear, Bob Lazar, Steven Greer, or even Sean David Morton.

    (Ross Coulthart, do you remember them??)

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    • Confessions of a UFO Hunter: Ross Coulthart interviews Lue Elizondo:

    Former Pentagon insider, veteran and investigator Luis "Lue" Elizondo is quite possibly the most important voice in the modern UFO movement, and he sat down with NewsNation's Ross Coulthart to share the story of what he claims the American government really knows about UFOs.
    I suffered through this video with my eyes rolling. Dumbed down for TV, heavily scripted, and heavily edited. Worthless to the serious UFO community.

    I don't trust Elizondo one bit and I'm 90-95% sure this is all an op. I'd far rather listen to John Lear, Bob Lazar, Steven Greer, or even Sean David Morton.

    (Ross Coulthart, do you remember them??)

    Yeah! Elizondo still around only to serve the mil/gov/media agenda.
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    @Bill - Somewhat off topic and may require to be on another thread - but related to this theme (at least, according to some people).

    What is your take on crop circles? --- +/- their relationship to UFOs and ETs.

    I ask because some people whose work I have benefitted from - such as John Michell, Stanley Messenger, Nigel Blair (and current penfriend Andy Thomas, to some extent) - have regarded crop circles as spiritually (and as a mode of communication) "taking over" from UFO sightings and ET contacts as a public phenomenon; and being closely inter-related.

    I don't have any irons in either of these fires, but I would be very interested to hear about your understanding of these phenomena.

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    Quote Posted by Bruce G Charlton (here)
    @Bill - Somewhat off topic and may require to be on another thread - but related to this theme (at least, according to some people).

    What is your take on crop circles? --- +/- their relationship to UFOs and ETs.
    I'm sure that the real ones (there are a few fake ones) are ET-generated.

    There's a fascinating short video, captured many years ago, of small balls of light circling above a crop circle formation:

    The only known “real” footage/recording of the formation of a crop circle (1996)


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    • UFOs and UAP: Are We Really Alone?:
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    • Congress on UFOs: The UAP Disclosure Act:

    Not only is Lue Elizondo making news on UFOs, but Congress is, as Senator Mike Rounds and Chuck Schumer have introduced the UAP Disclosure Act of 2024. Co-sponsored by Senators Kirsten Gillibrand and Martin Heinrich, this legislation will force the Pentagon and the CIA to come clean on what they have been hiding from Congress and Americans. Washington DC Lobbyist Nick Gold from Declassify UAP, ‪@DeclassifyUAP‬ discusses why this legislation matters to you!

    With the bombshell whistleblower revelations from Pentagon whistleblower David Grusch and the recent revelations by Colonel Karl Nell at the Salt Conference, and Lue Elizondo on the Joe Rogan Show, JRE ‪@joerogan‬, the UFO / UAP issue is finally front and center. This Good Trouble Show podcast discusses how people at home can get this legislation over the finish line.

    You can find Nick's work at: declassifyuap.org
    and on Twitter X: @DeclassifyUAP

    0:00:00 - Introduction and Overview of the Show
    0:06:30 - Background on UAP Disclosure and Government Transparency
    0:14:00 - Interview with Nick Gold: Origins and Motivation
    0:20:50 - Navigating Washington Politics and UAP Advocacy
    0:29:15 - Declassify UAP: Mission and Goals
    0:37:40 - Importance of UAP Transparency for American Voters
    0:45:50 - Legislation on UAPs: A Historical Overview
    0:54:30 - Breakdown of the UAP Disclosure Act of 2024
    1:03:10 - Political Capital and the Reality of UAP Issues
    1:11:45 - Impact of Recent Legislative Efforts on UAP Disclosure
    1:20:00 - The Role of Congress in Shaping UAP Policy
    1:30:00 - Final Thoughts and Call to Action for Viewers

    Nick is based in Charm City, otherwise known as Baltimore, Maryland. He’s spent the bulk of his career as a media information technologist and has helped every type of organization manage its video and rich media data.

    Since his childhood in Western Massachusetts, he's been deeply fascinated with UFOs, which have dovetailed with his interests in science, technology, information theory, consciousness, philosophy, religion, and politics.

    Nick Gold was a member of the Galileo Project for about a year and is proud to be a listed co-author on the group’s lead paper by Watters et al., which was published in the peer-reviewed Journal of Astronomical Instrumentation.

    He’s now with the Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies (SCU), and is in the early stages of working on a UAP taxonomy project with the group.

    Realizing the lack of grassroots citizen engagement-focused organizations in the UAP space, he launched Declassify UAP at the beginning of September 2023.

    The DeclassifyUAP.org website makes it quick and easy for US voters to call and send messages to their elected officials as constituents to demand government UAP transparency and declassification.

    So far, the site has directed shy of 25,000 messages and calls from constituents to their representatives in DC, and he encourages listeners who are US voters to go to DeclassifyUAP.org/action to add their voice to this chorus.
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    John 🦜🦋🌳
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    (fake) Disclosure is ramping up.

    Luis Elizondo now has is own Youtube channel (19.7K subscribers already).

    Welcome To My Channel - It's an honour to be here!


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    I don't trust Elizondo one bit and I'm 90-95% sure this is all an op.
    I'll raise your 90-95% with a 100% bet of my own. Elizondo is a spook. No one one works for the CIA at his level and then becomes independent. That Ross Coulthart's been courting this wolf in sheep's clothing is disappointing to say the least. I thought he was more based than that.
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    • Mysterious Findings: New Study Reveals Long Island UAPs:

    A ten-month scientific study has discovered UAPs / UFOs operating off the coast of Robert Moses State Park on the south shore of Long Island, New York. In this Good Trouble Show podcast, we interview Gerry Tedesco, John Tedesco, and Donna Lee Nardo, who will present new UFO / UAP footage and radar data of over 50 UAP / UFO encounters.

    Data was emphasized using HF and LF detectors and spectrum analyzers incorporating EM, ultrasonic, magnetic, and RF field transducers to record spectral data in these domains. Data collection concentrated on characterizing VIS, NIR, SWIR, LWIR, UVA, UVB, UVC, and the higher energy spectral range of ionizing radiation (alpha, beta, gamma, and X-ray) recorded by Geiger-Müller counters as well as special purpose semiconductor diode sensors.
    They published their findings in Scientific Research.

    With the recent book release by Lue Elizondo, Imminent, and his appearance on News Nation with Ross Coulthart and on Joe Rogan, UAPs / UFOs are back in the news; whistleblower revelations by former Pentagon employee David Grusch, along with new Congressional legislation on UFOs, The UAP Disclosure Act of 2024, authored by Senator Mike Rounds, and Senator Chuck Schumer. It's time for the disclosure discussion.

    Native Long Islander Gerald T. Tedesco is an electrical engineer who currently toils for a local aerospace firm after decades helping U.S. defense corporations with his security clearance. Like his twin brother John, Gerald’s passion for science, UAPs / UFOs and the paranormal took root at a young age. He received a Baccalaureate of Science in Public Health and a professional Certificate in Behavior Profiling and Investigative Analysis. Along with his brother John, he designed a patented scientific instrument called a Modular Multi-Wavelength Light Source Engine. When not busy completing work and
    personal projects, Gerald is found happily spending quality time with his spouse Sharon and their daughter Tiana.

    Native Long Islander John J. Tedesco is an electrical engineer and engineering educator / consultant who recently retired from a lengthy, rewarding career at Underwriters Laboratories Inc. (UL Solutions). Like his twin brother Gerald, John’s passion for science, UAPs / UFOs and the paranormal took root at a young age. He received a Baccalaureate of Science in Electrical and Electronics Engineering and a Masters of Education in Career and Technical Education. Along with his brother Gerald, he designed a patented scientific instrument called a
    Modular Multi-Wavelength Light Source Engine. In his spare time, John enjoys entertaining and enlightening his friends, family and neighbors.

    A Native Long Islander and New Yorker, Donna Lee Nardo is a journalist, investigator, researcher, and strategic communications pro with a keen interest in science, technology, UAPs / UFOs, and the paranormal. She holds a Baccalaureate of Arts with twin majors in Communications and Political Science. Donna’s career experience reflects the richness of multiple disciplines including Private Investigation, Publishing, Corporate Communications, Public Affairs, Technology, Finance, Government, Professional Services, and PR. Though her lifelong pursuit questioning and chasing after nature’s many mysteries remains insatiable, Donna schedules downtime to cuddle with her pets, write short stories and create digital art.
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