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[Hermoor]

From this video footage at 15 seconds we can see Trump is ducking and practically on his hands and knees already before the first agent has even made contact with him.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=qLybWj-ojck

He went on to claim that the agents hit him so hard that they knocked him out of his shoes, even though he said his shoes were laced up tight.

I've got a real problem with believing that.

Anyway. Let's proceed on to a related, yet far bigger, problem to believe.

Look at his socks.

This image clearly shows his left sock has burst at the toes.



There's something weird and pointy going on with his right sock. And both socks seem to be double sectioned. The toe cap sections of the socks look like they are distinct from the rest of the socks. I've never seen socks like that before. Have you?

But wait. There's more. In this image we can clearly see his right sock has burst at the toes too!!!



So he's been knocked out of both of his shoes. Cough. Bullsh*t.

AND

Both of his weirdy toe cap sectioned socks have burst at the toes too!!!

I'm not having this nonsense. It's a deal breaker. Trump was in on this.

Prove me wrong. I won't be offended. For me this stuff is not a competition about who is most right. It's about eventually making sense of stuff that doesn't make sense from the outset.

Knocked out of both his shoes and burst both of his weirdy toe cappy socks too??? GTFOOH. The odds of it are vanishingly remote and I smell a rat the size of a rhino.

Come on. Someone prove me wrong. Explain this garbage please.

[Satori]

Posted by Hermoor (here)
From this video footage at 15 seconds we can see Trump is ducking and practically on his hands and knees already before the first agent has even made contact with him.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=qLybWj-ojck

He went on to claim that the agents hit him so hard that they knocked him out of his shoes, even though he said his shoes were laced up tight.

I've got a real problem with believing that.

Anyway. Let's proceed on to a related, yet far bigger, problem to believe.

Look at his socks.

This image clearly shows his left sock has burst at the toes.

Attachment 53637

There's something weird and pointy going on with his right sock. And both socks seem to be double sectioned. The toe cap sections of the socks look like they are distinct from the rest of the socks. I've never seen socks like that before. Have you?

But wait. There's more. In this image we can clearly see his right sock has burst at the toes too!!!

Attachment 53638

So he's been knocked out of both of his shoes. Cough. Bullsh*t.

AND

Both of his weirdy toe cap sectioned socks have burst at the toes too!!!

I'm not having this nonsense. It's a deal breaker. Trump was in on this.

Prove me wrong. I won't be offended. For me this stuff is not a competition about who is most right. It's about eventually making sense of stuff that doesn't make sense from the outset.

Knocked out of both his shoes and burst both of his weirdy toe cappy socks too??? GTFOOH. The odds of it are vanishingly remote and I smell a rat the size of a rhino.

Come on. Someone prove me wrong. Explain this garbage please.

I’m not real clear on what your point is, but as best as I can gather it has to do with the gold stitching on his socks and the space between his toes and the end of the sock(s). I have many pairs of these socks. Or a brand like them. They are men’s dress socks. I wear them all the time. The toe end of the socks have gold stitching

It does appear that when his shoe or shoes came off that his socks were pulled forward over his toes. Do an experiment. Pull your shoes off while wearing socks without unlacing your shoes. Your socks will be pulled forward, if not almost off, leaving space between your toes and the end of the socks.

With all respect, I would not recommend basing your case on his socks.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Hermoor (here)
From this video footage at 15 seconds we can see Trump is ducking and practically on his hands and knees already before the first agent has even made contact with him.

That's the kayfabe coming out in him. Yes (by my figuring) -- Trump knew this was coming.

He's known for a long time that the Deep State would send an assassin's bullet his way.

Trump's intelligence was good enough (and the Deep State's weakening competence poor enough) so that:

• Trump learned of this particular assassination operation,
• learned who the intended "real" (pro) sniper was,
• made a "Deal" with the sniper to miss (You miss, you live well. You kill me, you die.)
• arranged to know when the patsy sniper was on the roof so he could both:
• shift his speech to having him looking at a display to his right, and
• have his Secret Service agent chase the pool photographers away from behind his podium, thus
• successfully having no public image of his still unscathed ear, as he dropped to the deck,
• worked out a simple bit of kayfabe stage craft with his closest Secret Service agent
• to have his agent nick his ear while he was under the Secret Service dog pile.

This is the sort of professional wrestling dramatized violence that Trump has long been a front row fan of and occasional active participant in, and it's the sort of "bigger than life" acting that Trump has a fine talent for and has done professionally for years.

Yes - he hammed it up a bit - exaggerating both the vigor of his close agents tackling him, and exaggerating the rate of the flow of blood from his ear. Yes, he had Hulk Hogan make a prime time speech at his recent RNC convention. That's all part of that culture.

Posted by Hermoor (here)
But wait. There's more. In this image we can clearly see his right sock has burst at the toes too!!!

Perhaps you haven't had the opportunity to enjoy this particular example of fine men's clothing at some point in your life.

Gold Toe socks - some of the best I ever had - back in my "higher on the hog" days.

[elderdawg]

Posted by Hermoor (here)
Explain this garbage please.

Well, this is the first time I have seen someone call their post garbage on this site.






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[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Hermoor (here)
I'm not having this nonsense. It's a deal breaker. Trump was in on this.

There is a major difference between the claims that:

• Trump staged it all, and
• Trump thwarted a deadly serious assassination attempt.

The elite bastards ran another assassination plot, similar to several in years past, to kill another powerful political opponent in cold blood, in public view. That much is clear enough, in my view.

Trump, in my view, successfully anticipated this plot and learning of its details, used a "Judo" like move to turn that plot into a sting operation against his would be assassins.

Sweet ... in my view.

[Daniel59]

In my opinion, it is important to note what information is not published.

1. at least one person (man with red baseball cap next to the tree; Piper Grimley video) filmed how Crooks should have shot. This video has not yet been published.

2. over a dozen bodycam videos have been released so far. But the one of the security forces, who were first at Crooks’ body and therefore would have had the opportunity to place shell casings there, is still being withheld.

It could be proven that Crooks fired the first 3 shots, but that has been deliberately not done so far.

3. about 200 spectators sat behind Trump in the center stand. So far, not a single video has been released showing Trump’s ear being hit by a bullet.

4. Trump's ear could have been photographed in the hospital or after bandage changes.. Why has no photo been released to date?

It could be proven that Trump's ear was injured by a grazing shot, but that has been deliberately not done so far.


The resulting conclusion is simple:

Crooks did not fire at least the first 3 shots and Trump's ear was not grazed.

It was a kayfabe event.

[elderdawg]

Posted by Daniel59 (here)

It could be proven that Trump's ear was injured by a grazing shot, but that has been deliberately not done so far.


The resulting conclusion is simple:

Crooks did not fire at least the first 3 shots and Trump's ear was not grazed.

It was a kayfabe event.

Then why would the FBI, the agency trying to take him down for the last 8 years, be in on this coverup? If this were staged, they would surely know, and Trump would be behind bars for accessory to murder.

Recent "Joiner", Longtime "Lurker"

[Daniel59]

Posted by elderdawg (here)

Posted by Daniel59 (here)

It could be proven that Trump's ear was injured by a grazing shot, but that has been deliberately not done so far.


The resulting conclusion is simple:

Crooks did not fire at least the first 3 shots and Trump's ear was not grazed.

It was a kayfabe event.

Then why would the FBI, the agency trying to take him down for the last 8 years, be in on this coverup? If this were staged, they would surely know, and Trump would be behind bars for accessory to murder.

Recent "Joiner", Longtime "Lurker"

Controlled opposition is a tried and tested method of staying in power.

Why I think Trump is part of the Deep State belongs in another thread.

How do you explain the fact that the information I mentioned above has not been made public.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Talk about cherry-picking the facts...

It could have already been proven that Trump survived an assassination attempt, but heads would roll so we haven't been told the truth, and it let's conspiracy professionals run rough-shod over the facts.

Not even a reason to suspect a false flag with Trump at the helm, except that we are not told the facts and no one goes after the culprits. So it leaves the door wide open for unsubstantiated counter claims.

A field day for those who always look for the most incredible confabulation possible to explain the otherwise obvious - it is in their blood.

Happy phantasmagorical hunting. I'm sure with a little imagination we can easily keep speculating for another thousand pages.

[Daniel59]

How do you explain that the first Secret Service agent who was with Trump after the first shots,

1. had a white terrycloth towel with him

2. used this towel to wipe the center streak of blood from Trump's cheek

3. even when they were standing again

4. how did blood get on the right side of his jacket. He was left handed and held Trump's cap in his right hand the whole time.

Shouldn't the top priority have been to get Trump, and therefore himself, to safety? A second shooter could not have been ruled out at this point.

[Hermoor]

Thanks for chipping in with your comments Satori. I respect what you post on the forum. Your comments on all matters are worthy of my humble reading time.

I'm not basing my case on Trump's socks. I'll comment further on the matter when I have time to give it my best shot. A long time ago I studied forensic science. Plus critiquing photos is something I've had plenty of practice at. I don't want to make a weary post now and later regret giving anything short of my best.

Paul I think our general opinions are quite similar and I appreciate your posts as sometimes they give me the impetus to consider an angle I hadn't previously considered. I've maybe got a few posts left in me for this thread, then I'll be bailing out.

Daniel59. Welcome to the forum. I like the cut of your jib. In due course I also want to comment about the agent wiping blood from Trump's cheek. It doesn't stack up. He seems to be more in make up artist mode than a bodyguard in a chronic emergency situation.

I wrote three pages of (mostly photographic) critique notes after viewing the Goodman/Mills interview for the third or fourth time. It's fair to say that interview drove me nuts. There are more holes in it than a Swiss cheese. I absolutely don't trust either of them. But, really, I've got better things to do with my time than waste any more of it on those two jokers.

With one exception.

In case it helps the gun lovers, ballistic specialists and photography geeks. And whoever else. Mills' 'magic bullet' photo. According to the info Mills himself presented, he was using a frame rate of approximately 14fps in the burst he shot at the time he captured the image. Therein lie more rabbit holes for those who like geeking out like that. Especially as the next second was apparently shot at 7 or 8fps.

Evan Vucci's interview with Jared Polin was much steadier fare. Vucci played a much steadier and less reachy hand than Mills. It was worth a one time listen for me at least. His Iwo Jima moment photo has been photshopped, but there's not much to fuss about. If there are any cats at all in Vucci's bag, then he kept them well bagged. And Polin didn't exactly give him a chasing either, no surprises there.

[Hermoor]

@ Daniel59.

I think this is the moment when the agent gets blood on his jacket.



There are a few clues in the mix with it.

Initially I found it by looking for something else, the moment when Trump's shoes come off.

[Delight]

The collective mind is shattering and I am still curious about the landscape but unable to figure out any coherence in the narratives.
I NEVER had any particular charge on Trump.
Would Divine use Trump?
Some people believe he is the anti Christ FIGURE in Revelations.
Under this assassination attempt is a moment when SOMETHING unusual happened seemingly to murder a president BUT FAILING.

I dunno.

[Daniel59]

Posted by Hermoor (here)
@ Daniel59.

I think this is the moment when the agent gets blood on his jacket.

Thanks, is there a site where you can see all the photos of Vucci, Mills and Moneymaker?

[Hermoor]

Posted by Daniel59 (here)
Thanks, is there a site where you can see all the photos of Vucci, Mills and Moneymaker?

Getty Images is the easiest one for me to navigate and tends to have the highest resolution images. Anna Moneymaker is there, as is Jabin Botsford.

Associated Press is where Vucci's images can be found.

Reuters is worth a look.

Doug Mills is New York Times. I'm having brain fade at the moment and can't remember if he's to be found in the above three websites.

Washington Post images show up quite often on Getty Images.

You want to look for editorial images, not creative ones.

Other photographers images of the Butler rally can be found on those websites, but only Botsford, Moneymaker, Vucci and Mills were allowed in the inner circle.

If you find a good source of independent photographers and their images, then I'd be grateful if you shared it. I don't even know if it exists and haven't searched for it for more than a few minutes.

[Gwin Ru]

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[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by elderdawg (here)

Posted by Daniel59 (here)
It was a kayfabe event.

Then why would the FBI, the agency trying to take him down for the last 8 years, be in on this coverup? If this were staged, they would surely know, and Trump would be behind bars for accessory to murder.

Two reasons:

1. The FBI was not "in" on this Kayfabe event. By my rather unpopular hypothesis, the FBI/CIA/Secret Service/... were running a major assassination operation, fully intending to blow Trump's brains out, on live TV, before the world. This was to be a replay of the 1963 assassination of JFK, adapted to the era of mobile phones and immediate video broadcasting, world wide. When this operation failed dramatically, the FBI instinctively and expertly went into an immediate "dang it" "see nothing, hear nothing, say nothing" cover-up mode.
   
2. The FBI main role in such operations is normally covering things up ... locate and confiscate whatever evidence "they" don't want public, and make sure it never sees the light of day ... forever. That's what the FBI does. This time, the pile of dog poop needing covering turned out to be bigger than expected, so the covering up immediately became more intense than expected.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Gwin Ru (here)
. People in the back row of far right bleachers react/flinch/fall down
C. A round hits the railing in the corner
D. 2 points make a line

That tweet is a couple of weeks old now, and Chris Martenson has since provided a rather compelling alternative explanation.

Perhaps the round hitting the back railing caused that railing, a solid piece of steel all along the back side of the top row of that southern bleacher, to ring very sharply, causing everyone who was standing up and holding onto or leaning against that railing to all react instinctively and immediately with some sort of jerk or quick motion. A supersonic rifle round hitting steel creates a sudden, strong, nasty ring in that steel.

[Gwin Ru]

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... Compelling for some, a lot less compelling for others... and, whether "old" or "new", these are data to be accounted for... including the injured individuals in that bleacher both being shot twice but no crime scene reconstitution.

Posted by ThePythonicCow (here)

Posted by Gwin Ru (here)
. People in the back row of far right bleachers react/flinch/fall down
C. A round hits the railing in the corner
D. 2 points make a line

That tweet is a couple of weeks old now, and Chris Martenson has since provided a rather compelling alternative explanation.
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In my view, the whole thing was to give credence to "Trump"'s theatrics on the stage for the whole world to see and be convinced of and experience the sharp emotional wave as well as inserting/planting a lynch point on the line for any ballistic reconstruction which can only be flawed from the get go.

Cui bono? "Trump"! "Trump" and re-"Trump"!

[Daniel59]

Posted by Hermoor (here)
Why has one of the bodyguards taken the time to recover Trump's cap?

The cap must have been important. The female Secret Service agent picked it up after the make-up artist dropped it. By bending down, she would have made it possible for a second shooter to shoot Trump.

1:42

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=qLybWj-ojck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLybWj-ojck

In this video you can see that the female Secret Service agent also drops the cap just before they reach the car. Shortly afterwards, another Secret Service agent appears and picks up the cap again.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=t93Y_yxZfSA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t93Y_yxZfSA

In my opinion, the cap was evidence that should not fall into the wrong hands.

When Trump had the cap on, it was almost touching his ears. Perhaps there was a very small blood bag in the cap from which Trump squeezed out a few drops of blood when he put his hand to his ear.