An important announcement following the closure of the WORM TONGUE thread

[Strat]

Bill, surely you are often in uncomfortable positions, being the leader of this site. The level of maturity and tactfulness you've shown in handling all of this is admirable. For what it's worth, I back you 100%.

[TWINNICK]

Posted by witchy1 (here)

i try not to hate.... but i really hate politics!

and mosquitos

and blowfly's.

..Nick..

[Carmody]

as for being on the line:

A bit of news.

I've even been given my own personal chemtrails.

Like Bill, I'm not freaking out about it.

This is getting serious, people.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Omniverse (here)
I just wrote out a heartfelt reply to Bill. I was sent to a page saying richard is not recieving PMs... This angers me quite a lot and I am not easily angered........

edit nvm, it appears the post was posted. Very fishy though. It was an odd page saying richard is not recieving Pms or something... Wish I got a screenshot..

I wish you had a screen shot as well . I have no insight into what you saw.

[kevlor]

my heart bleeds for you bill. i am not going anywhere, i have your back.

remember - what you overcome, only makes you stronger

... kev

[jorr lundstrom]

Hi Bill and thank you again for your ability to know when and how to use your sword.

And of course for everything else of your doing. The days and nights since the 11_th January

when I signed in 0n PA my life has been filled to the brim. Very greatful for this opportunity.

I wrote to you earlier today about the sword, and I have posted new threads yesterday about the Arthurian myth

and about symbols in connection to this. I really didnt know I knew your bloodline. LOL

I just write about wot Ive been into.

But I must also say that I was disturbed when strange things happened to my

PM. I hope that you soon will have a possibility to rest. Love you, Brother

[Sarlic]

Bill that last post you wrote must have drained your energy please get some much needed rest (hopefully not in a cold car)

If you lived in London i would gladly find you a warm bed untill you got yourself back on your feet and i might even throw in a rasberry smoothie aswell

Dont forget that we are all here for you mate and you only have to ask.

I have the up-most respect for you and all of the people of Avalon

Peace buddy
John

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by Zook (here)
Good Morning Good Avalon Good Bill,

Bill, I think it unfortunate that you took this course of action with respect to Richard and Celine. You owe them both an apology, at the very least.

I came to Avalon about six months ago because I believed in your integrity. I believed in the man in the famous hat that I had seen in all those videos. I trusted in his view of the world, and in the way he treated people. A genteel soul and a group leader. Sadly, I must leave now because the illusion of an enlightened soul and a gentle man ... has been replaced with the tragic reality of a man burdened with ego, beset with misguided purpose, quick to throw friends under the bus, never admitting to fallibility when his mistakes are pointed out to him, overrules consensus decisions arrived by the moderating staff to protect the integrity and charter of Avalon ... in short, an autocrat.
...

Zook,

I know you as a fighter (from 911 threads here), a guy who fights using passionate logic - not just fiery emotion.

I happened to be on-line when Richard over-reacted and flipped out. Then he asked - basically dared - if anyone else wanted to make any comments. I wanted to say, "you totally over reacted", but being new here and with Richard being an Admin/Mod, well, I knew it would probably be the last words I typed on Avalon. Moments later, LeeB was ejected. I was shaking my head, and started mentally composing saying goodbye to Avalon. I decided to wait a day, and see how it shook out.

I'm not sure what you expect Bill to do, but if Richard had not lost his role as Mod, I would have left Avalon, and I suspect many others would have also. How can you possibly have a Mod, a full Admin-Mod, the day-to-day leadership role Mod, behaving like that? Richard forced his own expulsion, and he knows it.

"quick to throw friends under the bus" is a very unfair characterization. Amazingly poor choice of words especially considering you took the time to think through your response and did not just fire off a knee-jerk reaction.

Even if you stand down as a Mod, even if you quit Avalon, you owe Bill an apology.

================================================

The above had been composed and was sitting on my screen while I took care of some family stuff, and when I came back, I read Bill's long post answering all of the accusations and innuendo. My intuition about everything was completely confirmed.

In addition to expecting Zook to apologize to Bill, I expect Northern Boy to apologize to Bill - unequivocally - and I know there are at least four other members that were paying attention and expect the same.

I'm committed to the Avalon community, and my support for Bill (which didn't really need to be reinforced) has been reinforced. I barely know the tip of the iceberg about the gravity of the world situation, and even with the very little I do know, I know that the mainstream community is either asleep or in collusion with Elite Overlords, and that it is absolutely critical for "alternative"/"awakened" individuals to coalesce into a powerful group with purpose and focus - or we haven't a snowflake's chance in hell. So, let's dust off, heal these wounds, and move forward - united.

Dennis

[Zook]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Zook (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
[...]
Northern Boy and Zook (who should have known better) - I hope you are paying attention.

Yes, I have Bill. I was hoping you wouldn't destroy yourself further with all the innuendo, the context shifting ... but you leave me no choice but to ask you this one question:

Was the excerpt that you post above taken from the New Sanctum ... a place where all entrants had to first swear secrecy to never release the material to the public domain? (This was agreed upon by all who entered that sacred chamber, Good Avalonians).

Yes ... or no?
If yes, why are you the first to betray it?


ps: I'm a fair man, Bill. But I will give you my perspective of your above rant and attempt at character assassination in its entire context ... once you answer my question.

I can copy my own post. Just like you can copy (and forward, and download) any PM that you write.
I cannot copy your post. And you cannot copy my PM.

Thanks for the explanation, Bill. Legalistic ... but not the spirit of the law. That was posted in New Sanctum. So it becomes New Sanctum material in my understanding. Still, I cannot begrudge you your understanding. I think you've upheld the law, fair enough; but I also think you've broken its spirit ... for now the public is aware of what was being discussed in New Sanctum ... and that is a breach of New Sanctum in itself.

[raparee]

As a brand new member I am shocked at the personal attacks on Bill Ryan, in reading Phillips letter it appears to me that he was moving on with with the best of wishes for Avalon. It baffles me why Bill would be questioned on his decision toto bring us the 'Charles material" stop for one minute and contemplate that it could have cost him and Charles their lives, when I see a man ready to risk it all I pay attention, and somehow I believe the elite do also .In reference to the remark about letting in 1000 new members being a poor decision, let me tell you there are 1000 times that number of people searching on the net tonite looking for truth, looking for a source like Avalon. There are people dying tonite again over oil, I wish people would contact their politicians and vent their feelings like they are doing here right now

[Omni]

Also, I may comment on the king arthur second coming... Bill this is a tactic they use to discredit people. The Greys have tried to make me think I was the re-incarnation of so many people it's quite ridiculous and stupid. They have tried to make me think I was Jesus, Einstein, Hitler, and many more. This is a distinct tactic to discredit and most people would consider a second coming of ANYONE a complete fraud. I highly recommend not doing it. But it seems, and I bet, that you have already caught onto that in some sort of way.

I have observed them seemingly fabricate past lives to people to discredit them, or propagate disinfo. Trust me when I say this is a tactic used by the dark forces to subvert the integrity of someones information in the minds of onlookers.

I am not saying Charles is deliberately doing this... I am fairly certain Charles is under mind control at times. Well fairly certain in the realm of how certain you can actually be. I'd say 30-75% chance Charles is subject to mind control. So even if he has good intentions, he(like I am at times, but it would be a rarity, especially in your case as I have stated to my contacts my intentions and will to endure torture to help the people on this site if I have to) is a liability to give ideas that serve the agendas of the people who want your mission to be subverted and character assassinated..

I am very glad you shared that bit Bill. And if I helped you in any way by this post I would be very happy, as I strongly desire helping you.

[granny]

Posted by Carmody (here)
as for being on the line:

A bit of news.

I've even been given my own personal chemtrails.

Like Bill, I'm not freaking out about it.

This is getting serious, people.

Carmody ...
Please explain ... it is getting late for me ... was trying to have open mind ... but you know what happened ... yep ... brain fell out.

[Star Gazer]

If Bill is King Arthur who is Charles? Merlin? Lancelot? Mordred?

Allegorically speaking of course.

[astrid]

Posted by Omniverse (here)
Also, I may comment on the king arthur second coming... Bill this is a tactic they use to discredit people. The Greys have tried to make me think I was the re-incarnation of so many people it's quite ridiculous and stupid. They have tried to make me think I was Jesus, Einstein, Hitler, and many more. This is a distinct tactic to discredit and most people would consider a second coming of ANYONE a complete fraud. I highly recommend not doing it. But it seems, and I bet, that you have already caught onto that in some sort of way.

I have observed them seemingly fabricate past lives to people to discredit them, or propagate disinfo. Trust me when I say this is a tactic used by the dark forces to subvert the integrity of someones information in the minds of onlookers.

I am not saying Charles is deliberately doing this... I am fairly certain Charles is under mind control at times. Well fairly certain in the realm of how certain you can actually be. I'd say 30-75% chance Charles is subject to mind control. So even if he has good intentions, he(like I am at times, but it would be a rarity, especially in your case as I have stated to my contacts my intentions and will to endure torture to help the people on this site if I have to) is a liability to give ideas that serve the agendas of the people who want your mission to be subverted and character assassinated..

I am very glad you shared that bit Bill. And if I helped you in any way by this post I would be very happy, as I strongly desire helping you.

Go back and read CAREFULLY... Bill was talking of BLOODLINES and NOT incarnations...

Note, incidentally, that Charles does not see me as the 'reincarnation of Arthur': just that he was a bloodline ancestor.

[transitionalman]

Hi Bill,

First I want to say that I was blown away by your response. Although we were all hoping to hear your response, I didn't think you would go into such detail. Like someone mentioned earlier, we needed the transparency, and I thank you for that. I hope everyone can learn something from this. We can now move forward.

I look up to as I would my own father. You wholeheartedly have my full support Bill.

[kenkyushiryo]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
~

just a quick aside first, i thanked you somewhere you might not have seen it, so again,
thank you for suggesting the book "the end of time, by julian barbour".
just bought it recently, read the introduction, and am really looking forward to plowing
in to it. it may lead me to further insights which i have yet to contemplate.

thank you for this posting.

for myself, and others who have recently come in over the last few months, without
this knowledge i can only say: spider senses were tingling... im not interested in the drama and
held back from posting in threads of great............. turbulance.... distress... not sure
what to put in there. i tried to avoid the tornados ripping up the houses.

if i was in a thread where i suddenly found these tornados i would skip through to see whats really going on alot of the time, and found not much. as best i could any of this kind of stuff i ignored.

in the most humble way, i admit to following you on the board, with interest to see
what you are writing about because your point of view interests me. im sure many
here will say the same. i say this not in defense, but i think just out of common sense. it is
without ego i say these things, but just what feels right to say.



indeed, unrelated to this particular event i was writing recently posts which this in many
ways confirms.


the chaos of this year will bring about the revelation of so many truths, many may not
know where to stand. im not worried about where to stand, i prefer to sit anyway.



not necessarily a question, maybe an observation.
this from your post popped out at me:

Meanwhile, Charles would find out what was happening on Avalon behind the scenes simply by calling Celine, asking her, and listening carefully. It was like turning on the television to get the news.

Someone like Charles - even with no ill-intention - was obviously going to utilize that source of intelligence in whatever way he could. In his position and in his shoes, I would have done the same.

it might be necessary to expand on what this means because it could imply charles in
duplicitous acts which may or may not be the case. just when i read it i thought it might
need clarification. im not saying this as any form of criticism, but just curiousity.

thank you.

[Maria Stade]

Dear Bill thank you for this !

I sensed that something was wrong in here early and I am the lucky one to have a partner to discus issues with.
The sense of take over was in the air.

It is clear to me that a tyrant has run the show here fore some time !
And I am learning as Im going !

What I call a super manipulator !

Kind people don t what to dance with that kind of persons.

And I did start to feel that I was on deep water if I was to cope with a person like her in some kind of group in the future.

I Love all with no judgement people are as they are, and there is nothing to do about that, more than help those that is ready for change.

I have had forum my self and know how much work it is and also been co creating with others building networks.

In my world moderators are brave persons that can make own decisions and they have my full trust !

They are the spine of the creation.

If trust lacs then there is no other thing to do than remove the one that not resonate with the team.

Ethics are the ground stone !

Bill I must tell you a little secret ....... the idea of control is an ....... ILLUSION !

Please let us know how we can best help !

All Love

Maria

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Omniverse (here)
Also, I may comment on the king arthur second coming... Bill this is a tactic they use to discredit people. The Greys have tried to make me think I was the re-incarnation of so many people it's quite ridiculous and stupid.

Posted by Star Gazer (here)
If Bill is King Arthur who is Charles? Merlin? Lancelot? Mordred?

No, no, no, no - not a reincarnation.

A bloodline ancestor - was what Charles said. And I don't necessarily believe that anyway... though some aspects of this may fit when seen in some ways.

Please read again my post here:

Yes. It may or may not be true. My personal conviction is that it doesn't matter. I will not be presiding over any modern-day Knights of the Round Table.

Being associated with legendary historical figures can be much more of a curse than a blessing. I've spoken many times with David Wilcock about this, who is reasonably convinced that he was the great seer Edgar Cayce.

But whether he was or was not is totally besides the point. It doesn't matter whether you were a King, a beggar, or a great poet. It's how one relates to that concept that is the important factor. The great danger is that the present-day individual him- or herself may come to believe that they are not as important, significant and/or valuable as someone who is no longer alive.

It's who you are now that counts.

Note, incidentally, that Charles does not see me as the 'reincarnation of Arthur': just that he was a bloodline ancestor.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Yes. It may or may not be true. My personal conviction is that it doesn't matter. I will not be presiding over any modern-day Knights of the Round Table.

We have all been many things. This life is for this life. The past is just a distraction for most. This life has it's own lessons and no life is any more or less important than another. There's really only one of us here anyway.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Zook, he didn't have a choice...

what good is a sanctum without Avalon?

you been fishing lately?