Trump is NOT the answer

[jaybee]

Posted by Mark (Star Mariner) (here)
This is turning into the "Deep State Propaganda against Donald Trump Thread."

Just about every member at Avalon knows this, bojancan, so who exactly who are you trying to sway? No one is watching your videos, because no one here is that dumb.

re the bolded above...

I think the anti~Trump propaganda videos are probably aimed at the Guests.... ??

[onawah]

It seems pretty clear that most people who will be voting for Trump are doing so because they think he will close the border and deport the worst of the illegal immigrants.
Which may be the case, but it's also probable that the real controllers have been orchestrating that whole mess all along from behind the scenes (not just in the US, but globally) and setting up their sock puppets to keep the public distracted and busy complying.
...Even while the public thinks they are actually making real choices and not just the lesser of two evils.
RFK Jr. is now becoming a part of that charade, though likely much less willingly and/or knowingly.
While being much less of a shill than the other candidates, his hands will largely be tied by the corptocracy, unless people really start waking up a lot faster and taking a lot more action for change than they have as yet.
Shocks are probably the greatest impetus for such a change at this late juncture, and it seems likely there are still a lot more of those in store.
Though shock can also paralyze, and that is probably what the puppet masters are counting on.
No doubt forum members are largely ignoring this thread, but if guests are following it, they need to know a whole lot more than just that "Trump is NOT the Answer"....

[onawah]

I think there is still hope for RKF Jr. He's not up to speed yet on foreign affairs, but his emphasis on tackling Big Pharma, etc. is bound to help wake up a lot of people to big ways in which the corptocracy is not just disempowering, but killing them off, too.
What concerns me at this point is what a great excuse the deportation of illegal immigrants will be for imposing CBDC.

Posted by AutumnW (here)
Ah yes...RFK junior. A prince of a man. Direct quote, "Palestinians are the most pampered people in the world." This was after the genocide started. He lost me on that one. He may be the worst of the lot.

[bojancan]

I did answer just minutes ago with many points of views... all about this man... about the times decades ago, I was following late wife Ivana and Trump ... she was skier as me... Slavic from Slovakia, I am from Slovenia... I knew many many actions from both of them... specially from Trump... not good stuff... and somebody of administration remove it, before I post it... I did express myself, from where I do see this man so criminally involved... not good for to be a president...

I see now very clearly.. that here, in this forum, it's not a free expressions... not to be free to post the videos, which are not in sync with those who are very pro trump...I will not repeat a long post I did 15 minutes ago.. not worthy... to whom? To promoters of Cult lieder?

Thank you to Bill, he did gave me permission to post here in this thread all about Trump.. about him, who are not a man as I see him... through some different glasses... but now... this hate!
I am asking Bill to remove me, from this place... this Avalon Forum!
I do not want to be a format for those Donald's people... to giving me some name and be hateful towards myself...

I did not offend no-one personally as I was offended by some of them here.. latest GROSS! Autumn... yes...
Wishing you well.. I do not want to be part of that kind of club anymore...
Just a word...
Donald was and still is very hateful to all who are bringing out his negative stuff and toward those who do not love him... and is much more offender than any of these guys, who made videos about him... and some of you like and honour him... and you love all those around him who are globalists... you can count them... we know who they are! They are globalists and zionists!
At the end of this Donald's Game, you will see through the veil... because he is a pretender and pathological liar!

I am off!
Please remove me from Avalon...
Thank you!

[AutumnW]

Posted by onawah (here)
It seems pretty clear that most people who will be voting for Trump are doing so because they think he will close the border and deport the worst of the illegal immigrants.
Which may be the case, but it's also probable that the real controllers have been orchestrating that whole mess all along from behind the scenes (not just in the US, but globally) and setting up their sock puppets to keep the public distracted and busy complying.
...Even while thinking they are actually making real choices and not just the lesser of two evils.
RFK Jr. is now becoming a part of that charade too, though likely much less willingly and/or knowingly.
Though much less of a shill than the other candidates, his hands will largely be tied by the corptocracy, unless people really start waking up a lot faster and taking a lot more action for change than they have as yet.
Shocks are probably the greatest impetus for such a change at this late juncture, and it seems likely there are still a lot more of those in store.
Though shock can also paralyze, and that is probably what the puppet masters are counting on.

Hi Onawah,

Illegal immigration is the natural fallout from the set up, imo. The set up involves further entrenching the Western corporatocracy by punishing countries that try to move out of the US sphere of influence. They sanctioned Venezuela. That action impoverished those already living close to the edge. Called their legally elected leaders dictators, and speak of them like they are subhumans when they flee their countries and land on the US doorsteps.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I don't think anyone is saying Trump is THE answer. I'm not sure the perfect candidate exists, in the US or any country. But if the US isn't going to spiral into total darkness and chaos -- which I see it being on course for -- I think he's the best option there is right now.

And...if he actually really and truly does release the JFK files in their totality...and what we think is in those files really IS in those files...then do NOT underestimate the blow that will do to the Deep State. It will blast it to bits, destroying it maybe forever. The JFK assassination WAS the watershed event of the twentieth century that crystallized the power-base that we call the swamp. Everything that has since gone rotten in the 'system' stems from that evil moment. If those files come out at long last, the world may never be the same. I'd fall over myself to vote for Trump for this one single reason alone.

[AutumnW]

Posted by onawah (here)
I think there is still hope for RKF Jr. He's not up to speed yet on foreign affairs, but his emphasis on tackling Big Pharma, etc. is bound to help wake up a lot of people to big ways in which the corptocracy is not just disempowering, but killing them off, too.
What concerns me at this point is what a great excuse the deportation of illegal immigrants will be for imposing CBDC.

Posted by AutumnW (here)
Ah yes...RFK junior. A prince of a man. Direct quote, "Palestinians are the most pampered people in the world." This was after the genocide started. He lost me on that one. He may be the worst of the lot.

I like his take on pharma and collective health problems due to these factors. I don't think digital currencies will ever be a problem in the US, seeing as Government likes the criminal opportunities of cash, more than anyone. Drug money fuels campaigns. Have you watched Ozark?

[AutumnW]

Kamala will be the privatized prison industrial complex best friend. She's horribly wicked, imo.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Bgjm6xPJeaA

[AutumnW]

Posted by Mark (Star Mariner) (here)
I don't think anyone is saying Trump is THE answer. I'm not sure the perfect candidate exists, in the US or any country. But if the US isn't going to spiral into total darkness and chaos -- which I see it being on course for -- I think he's the best option there is right now.

And...if he actually really and truly does release the JFK files in their totality...and what we think is in those files really IS in those files...then do NOT underestimate the blow that will do to the Deep State. It will blast it to bits, destroying it maybe forever. The JFK assassination WAS the watershed event of the twentieth century that crystallized the power-base that we call the swamp. Everything that has since gone rotten in the 'system' stems from that evil moment. If those files come out at long last, the world may never be the same. I'd fall over myself to vote for Trump for this one single reason alone.

Question for you. How does any federal govt prevent a spiraling into darkness and chaos? What would that take, and whose freedoms might be curtailed?

Those currently running for office, are so far from perfect it beggars the imagination. The JFK files will never see the light of day and Kennedy will be sidelined, imo, once he carries Trump over the finish line. It's all about money and power, nothing else.

[AutumnW]

Posted by bojancan (here)
I did answer just minutes ago with many points of views... all about this man... about the times decades ago, I was following late wife Ivana and Trump ... she was skier as me... Slavic from Slovakia, I am from Slovenia... I knew many many actions from both of them... specially from Trump... not good stuff... and somebody of administration remove it, before I post it... I did express myself, from where I do see this man so criminally involved... not good for to be a president...

I see now very clearly.. that here, in this forum, it's not a free expressions... not to be free to post the videos, which are not in sync with those who are very pro trump...I will not repeat a long post I did 15 minutes ago.. not worthy... to whom? To promoters of Cult lieder?

Thank you to Bill, he did gave me permission to post here in this thread all about Trump.. about him, who are not a man as I see him... through some different glasses... but now... this hate!
I am asking Bill to remove me, from this place... this Avalon Forum!
I do not want to be a format for those Donald's people... to giving me some name and be hateful towards myself...

I did not offend no-one personally as I was offended by some of them here.. latest GROSS! Autumn... yes...
Wishing you well.. I do not want to be part of that kind of club anymore...
Just a word...
Donald was and still is very hateful to all who are bringing out his negative stuff and toward those who do not love him... and is much more offender than any of these guys, who made videos about him... and some of you like and honour him... and you love all those around him who are globalists... you can count them... we know who they are! They are globalists and zionists!
At the end of this Donald's Game, you will see through the veil... because he is a pretender and pathological liar!

I am off!
Please remove me from Avalon...
Thank you!

Bojancan, Please stay. I will support your efforts. But, maybe don't post so many videos. Would that work for you?

[gini]

Bojancan,you are appreciated,there is really no hate.

Its about politics,its ok to disagree. Project Avalon is not an army of Trump lovers

We need your input too. Just think twice before you post a video.
And get involved in more dialogue about your opinions and dont shy away for some critical questions from fellowmembers.

[T Smith]

Posted by AutumnW (here)

Posted by T Smith (here)

Posted by AutumnW (here)
The libertarian left and right have to mend their fences and get to work. Their core values are the same.

No?

I'm not sure what your point is here. Rather too brief.

My apologies for being too brief... My comment was in response to your suggestion, the libertarian left and right have to mend their fences and get to work...; it seems to me the coalition between Kennedy & Trump represents some version of that. I know neither are perfect representations of the libertarian left/libertarian right, but they do share core values, and this does seem like a start. Let's see how it goes...

[T Smith]

Posted by AutumnW (here)

Posted by T Smith (here)

Posted by AutumnW (here)
. None of them are the answer and if you can't see that, you have blinders on.

It would be refreshing if responses in this thread present arguments to support as much--or at the very least argue why Trump is not the answer--instead of simply regurgitating and posting activist propaganda. The videos are ridiculous, regardless if Trump, Harris, or whomever is or isn't the answer, which is why members rarely engage in discussion here or take the posts seriously.

This is also my take on Mark (Star Mariner)'s comments; his taking issue with the content is not at all the same as advocating for Trump or having blinders on. IMHO.

Anything presented to you, will be filtered through your belief system, which includes taking issue with any videos or clips or documents that call the pro-Trump stance into question. It will always be classified as 'propaganda.' A lot of it is. But a certain amount isn't.

Fwiw. My original point stands. Their foreign policies will be identical. If you watch closely you'll see Trump is now dodging questions about Russia, refusing to answer directly how he will deal with that situation. If you want, I can find that interview for you. In the mean time. Here is a clip with buddies Netanyahu and Trump speaking.

https://www.reuters.com/world/netany...ns-2024-07-26/

I don't completely disagree with you, except to say I don't believe their foreign policies will be identical. In other words, there is a lesser of evils here, IMO.

My belief is a Trump/Kennedy administration will be similar to how Kim Iversen describes it here, staring at the 50 second mark:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=E0F6t8nopps

[AutumnW]

Posted by T Smith (here)
My apologies for being too brief... My comment was in response to your suggestion, the libertarian left and right have to mend their fences and get to work...; it seems to me the coalition between Kennedy & Trump represents some version of that. I know neither are perfect representations of the libertarian left/libertarian right, but they do share core values, and this does seem like a start. Let's see how it goes...

Let me think about this for awhile. I want to get my thoughts lined up properly, T. Thanks for responding.

[Mike]

Posted by AutumnW (here)
All those at the top of the overt political food chain are swamp creatures. That's Biden, Harris, Trump, Vance, Walz. Their foreign policy is much the same and their domestic policies, are all about control and censorship. On that front, they are assholes in slightly different ways, but assholes just the same.

I can't believe anybody still supports the Democrats, at this point and the only reason I can think of, for those who support Republicans, is they want lower federal income tax, if they are higher income. That's what it's about, in terms of propaganda radiating from Fox.

Harris is not the answer. She's a tool.

Jess great to see you posting here

For me, it seems clear that every issue we can think of (in the U.S.) is downstream of the border issue. We hear endless chatter about "saving democracy", but ya can't have democracy without a country, and ya can't have a country without a border. There's only 1 candidate that's serious about securing the southern border. So the choice for me is very simple, just on this alone.

[onawah]

Trump said before that he would release the JFK files....and then didn't.
I don't trust campaign promises much, but if he does follow through next time, that would certainly be epic.
But a reveal in totality....?? Dark Journalist, Dr. Joseph Farrell, et al are sure there is info in those files about ET presence, UFOs, etc. as well as about JFK, which at the very least would create quite a stir, and if revealed, could even be twisted to serve the false alien invasion scenario.
The Deep State will probably try to prevent any reveal from happening (another attempt on Trump's life doesn't seem too far-fetched).
Trump's next possible term as POTUS is shaping up to resemble a minefield.
Last but not least, what we now know about what JFK's speech was going to be about on that fatal day is HUGE.
See: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1629240

Posted by Mark (Star Mariner) (here)
I don't think anyone is saying Trump is THE answer. I'm not sure the perfect candidate exists, in the US or any country. But if the US isn't going to spiral into total darkness and chaos -- which I see it being on course for -- I think he's the best option there is right now.

And...if he actually really and truly does release the JFK files in their totality...and what we think is in those files really IS in those files...then do NOT underestimate the blow that will do to the Deep State. It will blast it to bits, destroying it maybe forever. The JFK assassination WAS the watershed event of the twentieth century that crystallized the power-base that we call the swamp. Everything that has since gone rotten in the 'system' stems from that evil moment. If those files come out at long last, the world may never be the same. I'd fall over myself to vote for Trump for this one single reason alone.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Posted by bojancan (here)
I did answer just minutes ago with many points of views... all about this man... and somebody of administration remove it, before I post it...

Not correct. No such post was deleted by any of us. Is it possible you closed the window before clicking Submit Reply? There are any number of ways for a post to get eaten before it's successfully sent to the server. It's happened to me many times!

Posted by bojancan (here)
but now... this hate!

Hatred is such an overused word, it's difficult to know what it means anymore.
There is NO hatred here, perhaps, however, a little annoyance. I was too harsh in my previous post (I was in a bad mood yesterday and I unfairly took it out on you - I apologise). Just to be clear, the issue here isn't really about Trump. Had your posts been purely text -- your own words, or just sharing articles -- there would have been no issue at all.

The concern here is 'video-spam'.

That you don't like Trump -- though I earlier argued the point -- the truth is I don't really care. Certain other members have been known to become, let's say, over-enthusiastic when it comes to sharing excessive youtube videos, and that is the crux of the problem. When they over-do things, they are told to dial it back. That's what's happening here. No one wants to be confronted with pages and pages containing video after video after video, and all of them hit pieces from same old channels. It's annoying, it's lazy, and it's not at all productive. The reader expects, if not demands, more.

Posted by bojancan (here)
I am asking Bill to remove me, from this place... this Avalon Forum!

No need for that; you are still perfectly welcome to continue your membership and to carry on posting in this thread.

Just please reduce the frequency of the video-bombing, and where appropriate ADD something to the videos that clarifies its content, and in your own words. If you want me to watch the video and to care about the issues it brings up you're going to have to sell it to me first -- just a line or two; a premise of what it's about. And if possible, a little editorial of your own. When you say Trump is a globalist and/or zionist cite examples -- with links -- that proves or demonstrates this position.

This is standard posting etiquette, and it's probably the key reason why there's been so little engagement with this thread.

[AutumnW]

Posted by Mike (here)

Posted by AutumnW (here)
All those at the top of the overt political food chain are swamp creatures. That's Biden, Harris, Trump, Vance, Walz. Their foreign policy is much the same and their domestic policies, are all about control and censorship. On that front, they are assholes in slightly different ways, but assholes just the same.

I can't believe anybody still supports the Democrats, at this point and the only reason I can think of, for those who support Republicans, is they want lower federal income tax, if they are higher income. That's what it's about, in terms of propaganda radiating from Fox.

Harris is not the answer. She's a tool.

Jess great to see you posting here

For me, it seems clear that every issue we can think of (in the U.S.) is downstream of the border issue. We hear endless chatter about "saving democracy", but ya can't have democracy without a country, and ya can't have a country without a border. There's only 1 candidate that's serious about securing the southern border. So the choice for me is very simple, just on this alone.

Thanks for the welcome back, Mike! Good to see you here too. I understand about the border issue but am trying to get 1st hand accounts of what it's like in the US, near the border.

I know rent prices for homes have skyrocketed in many areas, but have no idea if upward momentum is due to increased demand from illegal immigrant renters, or if it's due to the market being captured by hedge fund landlords with cash, and offshore wealthy Asians with cash.

Hedge fund landlords are looking for a return on their investment, that rivals the stock market. They edge out mom and pop landlords, drive up the price of real estate and having cornered the market are able to set rents way too high. I wonder if there is a phenomenon of working illegals crowding into one house and driving prices up this way? 1st hand accounts would help me figure it out.

You also had or have mainland Chinese buying up a lot of farmland and in Seattle, they are responsible, in the last few years, of being the main buyers of homes, so...that's a negative force too.

[AutumnW]

Posted by T Smith (here)

Posted by AutumnW (here)

Posted by T Smith (here)

Posted by AutumnW (here)
The libertarian left and right have to mend their fences and get to work. Their core values are the same.

No?

I'm not sure what your point is here. Rather too brief.

My apologies for being too brief... My comment was in response to your suggestion, the libertarian left and right have to mend their fences and get to work...; it seems to me the coalition between Kennedy & Trump represents some version of that. I know neither are perfect representations of the libertarian left/libertarian right, but they do share core values, and this does seem like a start. Let's see how it goes...

Being brief isn't a problem, not to someone who spends a lot of time on X, formerly known as the performer, Twitter. I can see how you think that the allied forces of Trump and Kennedy represent right and left working together. In some respects they are. But in other respects, they represent corporations and the corporate forces which are arraying in a verticle up/down configuration, rather than left/right, are the controlling forces.

I predict Kennedy will be absorbed by the Borg and will be forced by overpowering influences to drop his opposition to Big Pharma, other than to be allowed a few token concessions.

IMO, what has to happen, and I don't think either Kennedy or Trump can pull it off, without a total restructure, is halving military spending and redirecting that money towards health programs and universal healthcare.

Countries with universal healthcare have lower rates of obesity because social influence is on getting in shape and eating right. That's heavily reinforced by the universal care system.

Any massive program designed to help the citizenry, collectively, in the US, is called communism, when, in reality it is simply about returning tax dollars, in the form of health care, for instance, to the masses. I don't see Trump as immune from this kind of conditioning and RFK jr, if he is all for it, won't get far, imo.

As far as war goes, we'll see. I'm pretty sure Trump will be next prez so not holding out any hope for Palestinians, and he's talking tough on Russia, so not sure how that will play out.

The one area right and left libertarians agree on and can work from is a strong anti-war stance. In that, they are at odds with Trump and Kennedy who support Israel.

Here's a great interview with Dave Smith, who was either head of the (RW) libertarian party, or very high up. Love this guy.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=a21TAA9Hak0

[Mike]

Posted by AutumnW (here)

Posted by Mike (here)

Posted by AutumnW (here)
All those at the top of the overt political food chain are swamp creatures. That's Biden, Harris, Trump, Vance, Walz. Their foreign policy is much the same and their domestic policies, are all about control and censorship. On that front, they are assholes in slightly different ways, but assholes just the same.

I can't believe anybody still supports the Democrats, at this point and the only reason I can think of, for those who support Republicans, is they want lower federal income tax, if they are higher income. That's what it's about, in terms of propaganda radiating from Fox.

Harris is not the answer. She's a tool.

Jess great to see you posting here

For me, it seems clear that every issue we can think of (in the U.S.) is downstream of the border issue. We hear endless chatter about "saving democracy", but ya can't have democracy without a country, and ya can't have a country without a border. There's only 1 candidate that's serious about securing the southern border. So the choice for me is very simple, just on this alone.

Thanks for the welcome back, Mike! Good to see you here too. I understand about the border issue but am trying to get 1st hand accounts of what it's like in the US, near the border.

I know rent prices for homes have skyrocketed in many areas, but have no idea if upward momentum is due to increased demand from illegal immigrant renters, or if it's due to the market being captured by hedge fund landlords with cash, and offshore wealthy Asians with cash.

Hedge fund landlords are looking for a return on their investment, that rivals the stock market. They edge out mom and pop landlords, drive up the price of real estate and having cornered the market are able to set rents way too high. I wonder if there is a phenomenon of working illegals crowding into one house and driving prices up this way? 1st hand accounts would help me figure it out.

You also had or have mainland Chinese buying up a lot of farmland and in Seattle, they are responsible, in the last few years, of being the main buyers of homes, so...that's a negative force too.

hey Jess, I've seen more videos about the southern border than I can count, with nearly all the interviewees having extensive experience at the border, usually in an official capacity (Ed Calderon etc )but sometimes not (Bret Weinstein, Chris Martenson etc).

The evil begins before the immigrants even enter the country, particularly in the Darien Gap. Rape, sex trafficking, drug smuggling, starvation, and all manner of sordid activity we can and can't imagine takes place there.

And it's all being funded by the US, UN, and China. Something very sinister is happening there, and is part of a much larger plan to destroy the west. In fact, it's not a migration at all; it's not even something I'd call "illegal immigration" (though it is). It's much more akin to an invasion. I don't think you can travel down this rabbit hole and conclude anything else. Roughly 8 million illegals (conservative estimate) have passed thru during the Biden administration, a significant number being military age males (and Chinese) with no families accompanying them. Real estate is the least of our worries really.

Trump is the answer in this case. Or, at the very least, our only hope at an answer.

I've saved most of the vids I've watched and selected the shortest one I can find to post here. Here it is, if you're interested:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=9l20tu7O0OY