Alternative for Germany (AfD)

[Michi]

I open here a very controversial subject, the rise of the Alternative for Germany party (AfD).

Just yesterday the "Alternative for Germany" (AfD) has won its first state election since the right-wing party’s establishment in 2013.

According to official results, the AfD claimed 32.8% of the vote in Sunday’s legislative election in the state of Thuringia in the eastern part of Germany.

The conservative Christian Democratic Union (CDU) party is expected to come second, with 23.6% of the ballots.

The two parties were also neck-in-neck in the neighboring state of Saxony, according to exit polls, with CDU and AfD claiming 32% and 31.5% of the vote, respectively.

None of the members of Germany’s ruling ‘traffic light’ coalition – the Social Democratic Party (SPD) of Chancellor Olaf Scholz, the Free Democratic Party (FDP) and the Greens – were able to make it to the top three in either of the states.

The third place in Thuringia and Saxony went to the newly-formed left-wing party of Sahra Wagenknecht (BSW). Despite being on the opposite sides of the political spectrum, BSW and AfD both call for stronger controls on immigration and an end to Berlin’s support for Ukraine amid its conflict with Russia.

The co-leader of AfD, Alice Weidel, said that the party has achieved a “historic success” in the election in Thuringia and Saxony, where roughly 1.7 and 3.3 million people were eligible to vote, respectively. In an interview with broadcaster ARD, she described the projected outcome as a “requiem” for Scholz’s coalition and urged for a general election to be held in Germany.

The right-wing party’s other co-leader, Tino Chrupalla, said that the people in both states have made it clear that “there should be a change of politics.” AfD is “ready and willing to talk to all parties,” Chrupalla stressed.

AfD is unlikely to be able to form a regional government in any of the states, as their political opponents refused to work with it.

"An openly right-wing extremist party has become the strongest force in a state parliament for the first time since 1949, and that causes many people very deep concern and fear,” the co-leader of the Greens, Omid Nouripour, insisted.

Source: https://www.rt.com/news/603367-germa...ion-thuringia/


Now, after the elections closeout - no party is willing to "speak" with the AfD.
The politicians of the main parties are behaving very embarrassing - like spoiled kids, expressing a staggering lack of responsibility.

No wonder more and more people in Germany are disaffected of the politics and seeking for [radical] change. And I must admit - the AfD speaks at least most objectively and spares the pathetic finger-pointing-blame, the other parties are entertaining.

[Open Minded Dude]

This result also proves the deep division betweens Germany's West and the Eastern Germany states. Many people here in the "West" (where I live) are mostly 'shocked' (or claim to be) and they call the AFD openly 'Nazis'. I do not believe this to be true. I recall someone saying (I think it is Röper from Anti-Spiegel) that today's AFD is just like the CDU in Helmut Kohl's time as chancellor (1983-1998). But this shows how perspectives of the (radical) left and 'woke' have changed. Any kind of conservatism (right-wing spectrum) is now considered extremist by them.

This is quite similar to the Trump situation in the US. We could say that many Germans suffer from AFDDS nowadays (AFD Derangement Syndrome) just like TDS is rampant among the American left.

[Abondance]

I don't really know about the AfD but I'va always appreciate Christine Anderson and her speeches at the EU Parliament.

Interestingly, it seems that the one about the vaccines has been replaced... by a 1969 movie on youtube... impossible to see it again

[Michi]

Posted by Abondance (here)
I don't really know about the AfD but I'va always appreciate Christine Anderson and her speeches at the EU Parliament.

Interestingly, it seems that the one about the vaccines has been replaced... by a 1969 movie on youtube... impossible to see it again

Thanks, Abondance. I found one on YouTube:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Df5S14LLFaM

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Michi (here)
I open here a very controversial subject, the rise of the Alternative for Germany party (AfD).

Just yesterday the "Alternative for Germany" (AfD) has won its first state election since the right-wing party’s establishment in 2013.

According to official results, the AfD claimed 32.8% of the vote in Sunday’s legislative election in the state of Thuringia in the eastern part of Germany.

The conservative Christian Democratic Union (CDU) party is expected to come second, with 23.6% of the ballots.

The two parties were also neck-in-neck in the neighboring state of Saxony, according to exit polls, with CDU and AfD claiming 32% and 31.5% of the vote, respectively.

None of the members of Germany’s ruling ‘traffic light’ coalition – the Social Democratic Party (SPD) of Chancellor Olaf Scholz, the Free Democratic Party (FDP) and the Greens – were able to make it to the top three in either of the states.

The third place in Thuringia and Saxony went to the newly-formed left-wing party of Sahra Wagenknecht (BSW). Despite being on the opposite sides of the political spectrum, BSW and AfD both call for stronger controls on immigration and an end to Berlin’s support for Ukraine amid its conflict with Russia.

The co-leader of AfD, Alice Weidel, said that the party has achieved a “historic success” in the election in Thuringia and Saxony, where roughly 1.7 and 3.3 million people were eligible to vote, respectively. In an interview with broadcaster ARD, she described the projected outcome as a “requiem” for Scholz’s coalition and urged for a general election to be held in Germany.

The right-wing party’s other co-leader, Tino Chrupalla, said that the people in both states have made it clear that “there should be a change of politics.” AfD is “ready and willing to talk to all parties,” Chrupalla stressed.

AfD is unlikely to be able to form a regional government in any of the states, as their political opponents refused to work with it.

"An openly right-wing extremist party has become the strongest force in a state parliament for the first time since 1949, and that causes many people very deep concern and fear,” the co-leader of the Greens, Omid Nouripour, insisted.

Source: https://www.rt.com/news/603367-germa...ion-thuringia/


Now, after the elections closeout - no party is willing to "speak" with the AfD.
The politicians of the main parties are behaving very embarrassing - like spoiled kids, expressing a staggering lack of responsibility.

No wonder more and more people in Germany are disaffected of the politics and seeking for [radical] change. And I must admit - the AfD speaks at least most objectively and spares the pathetic finger-pointing-blame, the other parties are entertaining.

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So very interesting. In his update for today,. Alexander Mercouris (who knows Germany very well and whose wife's family is German) opens with a full analysis of the results that (as a non-German!) I found very valuable, explaining very clearly the differences (and important agreements) between the AfD and Sahra Wagenknecht's new party.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=feMEj4xHRGY

[Michi]

In March of this year I was in a Cafe, talking with a lady about the subject of health.
I showed her below picture and commented - they must be doing something right.

The lady turned enraged about the AfD being a extreme right party - and my discussion with that lady ended.

The picture shows, the only faction voting against the "International Treaty on Pandemic Prevention" was the AfD (bottom left).

[Abondance]

I think that a majority of people vote only for the idea they have of a party, not the real politics this party is working for...

70% of democrats voters don't have a clue of what is really the politics of Kamala....


https://thefederalist.com/2024/08/22...icy-positions/


You could be sure that if they could agree with some Trump's (or Afd or any "extremeblabalbla" positions) ideas, at the very moment you give the source of it, they reject it as the woman you've talked.

Mainstream media knows that and play largely with...

[Open Minded Dude]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=kyqN6Cr1PM4

[Open Minded Dude]

Concededly this is 'heavy stuff' and I still do believe and hope it is 'fake news' or 'fake forecast' but for what it's worth ...

From Thomas Roeper's website his latest article on the AFD topic:

Russian research

Does the federal government have a plan to eliminate the AfD?

A Russian investigation claims that the German government has a plan in the drawer to destroy the AfD before the federal election through fictitious legal accusations and through physical repression against leading AfD members.



by Anti-Spiegel

September 4, 2024 10:23 am

I often translate research from the Russian human rights NGO Foundation for Combating Repression. The foundation has now published another research project, but I will not translate it in full.

The reason is that it is about Germany and at least the first half of the article, which is written for a Russian audience, is familiar to German readers. It meticulously summarizes how politicians and supporters of the AfD have been threatened and even attacked recently and how the German authorities have barely reacted to this, such as the attack on Björn Höcke, after which Höcke had to be hospitalized, but the public prosecutor's office still saw no reason to open an investigation.

The German media also play an important role here, because when AfD politicians are attacked, it is hardly worth reporting, but every insult to politicians from the established parties is worth horrified articles from the media about how much the political culture in Germany is at risk. When AfD members are prevented from attending their party conference by violent demonstrators, the media often even praise the "civil resistance", while every demonstration in front of a Green Party conference, for example, is another sign of how much the political culture in Germany is at risk.

All this is well known in Germany, and in the last Anti-Spiegel TV broadcast, Dominik Reichert and I showed how the federal government and the media conducted coordinated campaigns against the opposition parties AfD and BSW in 2024.

The Russian Foundation for Combating Repression claims in its research to have a source who was able to view documents from the federal government that are supposed to prove that the federal government has planned an even more massive campaign against the AfD from the end of 2024, in the course of which AfD politicians are to be accused with fake "evidence" on the one hand, but on the other hand thugs are to be recruited to carry out assassinations on undesirable politicians.

I am always cautious with such claims and, as an analyst, I prefer to analyze things retrospectively rather than trying to look into the future. I very rarely make predictions, as regular readers of Anti-Spiegel know.

I also cannot say anything about the source that the Russian NGO is citing in its research. I know the foundation and I know that it is a reputable company, but you can also fall for a source that is knowingly telling lies or has information that later turns out to be untrue.

I therefore thought long and hard about whether I should report on this research by the Russian NGO. I finally decided to do so, because we will soon know whether the statements made by the foundation are true, because the foundation gives specific names, planned measures and time periods. So we will see in the next few months whether these things happen at approximately the time mentioned or not. Either none of this happens, in which case the Russian NGO has taken advantage of a bad source, or they do happen and the Russian research turns out to be true.

I will translate the second part of the foundation's article here . The first part is of no interest to German readers because it explains things about Germany to the Russian audience that are common knowledge to German readers. I will also leave out such explanations of the situation in Germany, which are obvious to Germans, in the second part of the research that I have translated and concentrate on the essentials.

Start of translation:

For this part of the research, the Foundation for Combating Repression contacted a former member of the German Bundestag from the SPD. The Foundation for Combating Repression's source claims that the German government took the first measures to combat the spread of "AfD ideology" after the 2014 European Parliament elections, when the right-wing party received enough votes to enter the European Parliament for the first time.

With the AfD barely controlled by state agencies at the time, in late 2021, after Olaf Scholz and the traffic light coalition came to power, the German establishment began to develop a plan to eliminate political opponents, according to the fund's source. According to the former Bundestag MP, the extremism allegations against AfD representatives in 2021 were only necessary to obtain the right to monitor and control the AfD. At the time, the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution, which is basically Germany's domestic intelligence service, classified the AfD as a potentially extremist party, which gave the intelligence services the right to wiretap party members and recruit informants among party members.

After the German domestic intelligence service was granted the right to conduct mass surveillance of AfD members, according to documents obtained by the source of the Fund for Combating Repression, a special department was set up in the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution to track the movements of party members and active supporters. Thus, the whereabouts, banking transactions, phone calls and correspondence of every AfD politician and its most active supporters are carefully monitored in real time. According to the former SPD Bundestag MP, between 1.2 and 1.5 million euros are spent monthly on the maintenance and equipment of the Office for the Protection of the Constitution's "espionage" staff.

The fund's source assures that the funds for the largest espionage program in the history of modern Germany are being provided under the pretext of digitizing the German justice system. In particular, through the Digital Exchange between Police and Justice (DAPJ) program , which was launched in 2020 and is scheduled to be completed by December 31, 2025, one month after the next federal election.

After carefully analyzing the testimony of the politician, who previously held a high position in the German government, human rights activists from the Foundation for Combating Repression came to the conclusion that representatives of the German secret service have worked out in detail a series of attacks on German opposition politicians. In particular, according to the fund's source, the secret documents describe the attack on 59-year-old Michael Stürzenberger, which took place on May 31, 2024 in Mannheim. The attack was prepared for at least two months, and Stürzenberger was not chosen as a target by chance: he is a vocal critic of Islam, opposes uncontrolled immigration and has called for a significant reduction in Germany's financial and other support for illegal refugees.

One of the aims of the action, the source recalls, was to "intimidate critics of the Federal Republic of Germany's migration policy" and "intimidate politicians who speak out against Islam and other religions." The perpetrator was 25-year-old Afghan refugee Sulaiman A., who, according to the contact from the Foundation for Combating Repression, was promised "no problems with the law" and "the right to German passports for five members of his family." The documents also contain instructions to the German media to put Stürzenberger on a list of "ultra-radical nationalist provocateurs whose stance has led to numerous trials" and who are "key figures in Bavaria's Islamophobic milieu that undermines the basic values ​​of democracy."

In August 2023, Andreas Jurca, a young politician and member of the AfD who was running for the Bavarian state parliament, was brutally beaten by a mob of migrants, suffering severe head injuries, a broken ankle and almost losing his eyesight. The attack came a few days after a list of AfD politicians' home addresses was circulated online. As the human rights activists of the Foundation for Combating Repression were able to find out during their research thanks to the source, the assassination attempt on Jurca was also the result of a planned operation by the German secret services.

The source at the Fund for Combating Repression said that the secret documents, which she was able to view while working in the government, indicated not only the exact time of publication of the dossier containing the personal data of the opposition representatives, but also the channels through which it was distributed on the Internet. A migrant from the Middle East was chosen as the perpetrator, and the attack itself, according to the foundation's informant, was classified in the secret documents as an attempt "to trigger a chain reaction and a series of attacks on AfD representatives before the Bavarian state elections on October 8, 2023." The German media were supposed to portray the brutal beating of Andreas Jurca as the result of a "bar brawl" in which the young politician "drank too much alcohol and made a move on a group of young girls."

According to the source of the Foundation for Combating Repression, the documents it examined list just over 30 assassination attempts and attacks on members of the political opposition in 2023 and 2024. However, according to the former Bundestag member, the secret files are mainly about the current German government's plan to eliminate its political opponents in late 2024 and 2025. The Fund's source claims that the next 12 months will be accompanied by a series of accidents, accusations of illegal financing and extremism, demonization campaigns in the media and even assassinations organized on the direct orders of the current German political establishment and carried out by left-wing fanatics and Islamists.

The former SPD member of the Bundestag told human rights activists from the Foundation for Combating Repression that, according to the plan developed by the governing coalition together with representatives of the secret services, major trials against several high-ranking opposition politicians are planned almost immediately after the conclusion of the state elections in eastern Germany. In particular, several criminal charges are to be filed in October 2024 against Alice Weidel, the co-chair of the AfD, for extremism and violations of campaign financing rules in 2023.

The accusations against Weidel are to be presented as surprising "corruption problems with campaign financing sources." According to the documents available to the source at the Foundation for Combating Repression, the plan is to "completely destroy Weidel as an independent political actor" through a massive media campaign. Later, the foundation's source said, a fake email would emerge that Weidel is said to have sent in April 2025, in which she "talks to her party colleagues in a cynical and inappropriate way about the problems of mass migration" and calls for "decisive measures to save the white German ethnicity from extinction." On the basis of the fake email, the foundation's informant said, it is planned to charge Weidel with right-wing extremism, which would allow the AfD to be banned as an extremist party.

According to the source of the Foundation for Combating Repression, some politicians are to be subjected to more brutal and cold-blooded terror, which will also include physical reprisals and murder. According to the source of the Foundation, it managed to see the plan for the physical elimination of Björn Höcke. According to the documents that fell into the hands of the informant of the Foundation for Combating Repression, he is to be eliminated by recruiting a "left-wing armed fanatic" who is characterized as "withdrawn and mentally disturbed." The source of the Fund recalls that the secret documents contained methodical instructions for finding and recruiting a potential assassin for Höcke. According to the creators of the plan, the assassination is to take place at a public election rally of the politician, and the planned date of elimination is to be before March 2, 2025, which may be related to the Hamburg state elections scheduled for that date.

In addition to Höcke, the plan to physically eliminate the opposition, according to the foundation's source, also includes the arrest and subsequent murder of Lutz Bachmann, a German political activist and leader of the anti-Islamic organization PEGIDA. The politician is expected to be charged with pedophilia and disseminating content involving minors. If taken into custody, he will be killed, according to secret German government documents, which will be presented as a suicide. The source of the Foundation for Combating Repression does not give a specific date, but is convinced that Bachmann could face child abuse charges before the end of 2024.

The source of the Fund to Combat Repression names Chancellor Scholz and his allies as alleged instigators of the murders of Höcke and Bachmann:

"Both Chancellor Scholz and his staff see the Thuringian right-wing extremist Björn Höcke of the AfD as the greatest threat to their power. According to my information, the most radical measures are being taken against him and the other right-wing extremist Lutz Bachmann, and a preliminary scenario of their physical destruction has been approved."

The source of the Foundation for Combating Repression claims that the decision to prepare a plan for the media and physical elimination of "the most dangerous members of the AfD" was made with the help of German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock and German Vice Chancellor Robert Habeck. Such a drastic decision, according to a German investigative journalist who served as a source for the Fund, is the result of the inability of the German establishment to "win back the lost votes in a democratic and fair way."

The former SPD Bundestag MP, who managed to gain access to the secret documents, claims that the lists of potential victims of the political reckoning are not limited to the above-mentioned politicians and members of the AfD. According to the foundation's source, the papers contain "about 60 pages of names and positions" that should be "dealt with by September next year." Some will be affected by attempts to censor and restrict free speech, while others will be affected by a series of targeted attacks, pseudo-accidents and "an endless stream of threats and leaks of personal data."

The former SPD member of the Bundestag has commented on how the numerous attacks on German opposition politicians should be classified:

"The series of murders of the most dangerous members of the AfD is being portrayed as a series of accidents and attacks by fanatics. There will be isolated arrests, and censorship will be introduced across the board for the right-wing. The members of the traffic light coalition are certain that public discontent cannot be avoided when their plan is implemented, but they are convinced that they can deal with it."

End of translation

I repeat that this is not my research and that I have only published it because it contains such concrete information that we will know in the next few months whether it is nonsense or truthful research.

[Open Minded Dude]

Among Germany's youth the AfD is actually very #trendy

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=nA7OFes84kE

Maybe the Green party and their policies in Germany helps them a lot:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=MuG1manMnE0

[Vicus]

Germany "democrazy"

Censorship - Top German MP from the Greens threatens X and Telegram with bans
RT
Sun, 08 Sep 2024

Berlin must tackle "online radicalization" and further tighten control over social media, the legislator said.

Germany must act to stop the dissemination of extremist content online and block major social media platforms if necessary, a senior MP from the country's Green Party has said

MP Anton Hofreiter, the chairman of the Bundestag's European policy committee, made the remarks on Saturday while speaking to reporters from Funke Media Group. The politician called for tighter control over social media, up to the outright blocking of certain platforms.

"One of the biggest problems of extremism is online radicalization," Hofreiter stated, adding that the dissemination of "anti-constitutional content on the Internet" must be stopped.

"We need to tackle the root of the problem and push back radicalization in digital space as well as in society," he stressed.

Comment: One should be aware that radicalization to the elite simply means any people or groups who are in opposition to or dare to question them.


Comment: Anton Hofreiter is a German MP for the Greens since 2005. In the recent German state elections in Thuringia and Saxony, the Greens lost all their seats in Thuringia and just scraped above the cut off point in Saxony with 5.11% (with 5% being the cut off). In those elections the socalled far right and far left won massively and they are the ones being demonized in Germany as radical extremists. The voters strongly voted for a stop of the support for Ukraine, a country which Hofreiter strongly supports with weapons aid and financial aid.

So what Anton Hofreiter is proposing could easily be seen as totalitarian measures to remain in power. What better way to silence the genuine opposition than to call them extremists and therefore ban them to protect the German elite democracy from those pesky voters.

continue: https://www.sott.net/article/494637-...gram-with-bans

[Jaak]

Quick search shows that Anton Hofreiter is a Rotary club member ,just like Zelenski and Obama etc . All freemasons and Rotary club members should be labeled members of organized crime as they are and dealt with accordingly. https://berlin-unter-den-linden.rotary.de/
Just open the article ¨Rotary beer garden meetings¨ and his chubby face is smiling there in the first picture.

[Open Minded Dude]

Redacted interwiew of an AfD MP Ms Anna Nguyen about the dire situation (esp. economically) in Germany.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=dBBGoHAmLOw

Good news: the AfD is strongest among the Youth now who see no good future ahead of them. But maybe there's hope if they keep elevating the AfD in the polls and elections even more in the future as more and more of them will be voting.

[Open Minded Dude]

Elon Musk wants to do a live interview on X with AfD boss Ms Weidel now!

Before that he already endorsed the AFD and the establishement in my country of course goes berserk and accuses him of election interference.

https://www.rt.com/news/610216-musk-...-interference/

"German government accuses Musk of election interference
The close ally of US President-elect Donald Trump has hailed the AfD as “the last spark of hope” for Germany."

[Michi]

Posted by Open Minded Dude (here)
Elon Musk wants to do a live interview on X with AfD boss Ms Weidel now!

Before that he already endorsed the AFD and the establishement in my country of course goes berserk and accuses him of election interference.

https://www.rt.com/news/610216-musk-...-interference/

"German government accuses Musk of election interference
The close ally of US President-elect Donald Trump has hailed the AfD as “the last spark of hope” for Germany."

I see it similarly ...

[Open Minded Dude]

I really hope we are going to see this interview soon.

[ExomatrixTV]

source

[Open Minded Dude]

Found one live stream without a German translation for the English speakers on one of my favourite alternative YT channels Nuoflix.

Weidel's English is not perfect but okay enough (far better than that of out embarrassing state secretary Ms Baerbock).

Haven't listened to it yet apart from snippets. The X talk starts at 31:48.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=KvFKGsRLqeU

[Richter]

I absolutely do not understand how anybody can support the AFD.

imo all the mainstream political parties in Germany - and the Netherlands - are part of the WEF doctrine, but that doesn't mean that a party like AFD should be looked at as a respectable alternative.

They are a righter than right wing party with very dubious ideas about the way a civilized society should function.

[Michi]

Here's a completed Youtube recording:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=1CrYfGqs-Oc