The 2024 US POTUS Election - and now the aftermath

[mountain_jim]

I confess that I only watched the first few minutes and decided calm leading to sleep was more important for my mental health after a hard day staining deck.

https://x.com/WarClandestine/status/1833706228360307107

Clandestine
@WarClandestine
Full Debate Analysis:

Trump won convincingly, had a strong performance, despite going into a 3-1 debate against the moderators.

However, Kamala did not bomb, and did enough to keep her campaign alive.

The story of the debate is ABC showing their blatant bias in favor of Kamala, and weaponized their “fact-checks” solely at Trump. They let Kamala lie unchecked about everything from the Project 2025 hoax, to the Charlottesville hoax, and everything in between. The ABC moderators showed a clear and obvious hostility towards Trump, that they did not show towards Kamala, and in many cases, teed Kamala up to bash Trump with prepared talking points.

It is now abundantly clear why Kamala refused to accept the debate on Fox News, because her campaign knew she would receive preferential treatment on ABC.

Kamala also was well-rehearsed, which is unlike her, almost as if she had the questions given to her ahead of time. If ABC were willing to be adversarial towards Trump, why would they stop there? Why wouldn’t they give Kamala the questions?

ABC (Disney) just confirmed on national TV, that they are in bed with the DNC, and given their war-like posture towards Trump, I think it’s safe to assume Kamala’s campaign were made aware of the questions before hand.

With all that being said, Trump got the viral moments of the night, stuck to his gameplan, and brushed off the endless lies and repeated attacks, from both Kamala and the moderators. Kamala’s optics were terrible, with her constant smirking, making faces, emotional responses, and monotone phony tone. And Trump refused to let her get her viral moment.

Kamala’s gameplan was to appear more moderate, and blame Trump for all the problems she and Biden created over the last 4 years, but anyone who has been paying attention saw this for what it was.

Given Kamala held her own and did not implode, we can expect the compromised MSM to claim Kamala won, and the headlines will be about Trump talking about Haitians eating pets. However, the viral internet clips will belong to Trump.

Overall, Kamala did not gain any ground, Trump put on a solid performance, and the public got to see the MSM are clearly engaged in election interference in favor of the Dems. Net positive for Trump.


https://x.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1833725380043120657

https://x.com/nypost/status/1833818649288663377

Sara A. Carter
@SaraCarterDC
Kamala’s performance was so over-rehearsed and the moderators were so absolutely anti-Trump that it was obvious to everyone watching that doesn’t have #TDS

Reuters interviewed 10 people who were still unsure how they were going to vote in the Nov. 5 election before they watched the debate. Six said afterward they would now either vote for Trump or were leaning toward backing him. Three said they would now back Harris and one was still unsure how he would vote.

https://reuters.com/world/us/some-un...mp-2024-09-11/


https://x.com/catturd2/status/1833831508198478149

[Rizotto]

Total skepticism for Trump & Harris 2024 candidacies. That's all I can feel about them both, because they've shown repeatedly that they won't or can't name the elephant in the room, which is that USA is controlled by Israel.

So, I predict that the winner of the 2024 elections will be Bibi Netanyahu, the president in perpetuity of the United States of Israel, who will continue to drive USA into endless wars for the benefit of Israel's illegal expansion.

[mountain_jim]

Posted by Rizotto (here)
Total skepticism for Trump & Harris 2024 candidacies. That's all I can feel about them both, because they've shown repeatedly that they won't or can't name the elephant in the room, which is that USA is controlled by Israel.

So, I predict that the winner of the 2024 elections will be Bibi Netanyahu, the president in perpetuity of the United States of Israel, who will continue to drive USA into endless wars for the benefit of Israel's illegal expansion.

Further evidence of this control is 23 years later to the day, the Israel Mossad involvement and leadership, along with Cheney, Rumsfield and other neocons, in carrying out 9/11 is still officially unacknowledged and justice was never done.

Not to mention the Epstein blackmail control or the Liberty attack whitewash.

I do think Trump knows those buildings came down with explosives (edit - or other non-jet-fuel caused means), and he was in my view involved in the Q op which said 'we are saving Israel for Last' as I recall.

https://rumble.com/v2lpu8m-we-are-sa...a-single-.html

Q Drop 916
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>>613129
What about Awan.
Is ISRAEL involved?
>>613193
We are saving ISRAEL for last.
Very specific reason not mentioned a single time.
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[Ernie Nemeth]

The joke that is the legacy media has become a laughing stock of any discerning listener. In fact if you can discern, you don't listen to legacy media at all.

Nothing but a travesty of truth.

We are living in the middle of a three ring circus. Come watch the dancing bears! Fun for all. Entertainment for the masses. Platitudes for the weak minded.

[T Smith]

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
Come watch the dancing bears! Fun for all. Entertainment for the masses. Platitudes for the weak minded.

Yes. But it's actually more that all that, and much more nefarious. It's an instruction program on how to think.

[mountain_jim]

Posted by T Smith (here)

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
Come watch the dancing bears! Fun for all. Entertainment for the masses. Platitudes for the weak minded.

Yes. But it's actually more that all that, and much more nefarious. It's an instruction program on how to think.

I resent this diss of some of my favorite band's iconography imagery

The iconic ‘dancing bears’ associated with the Grateful Dead are actually a reference to Owsley ‘Bear’ Stanley, the band’s sound engineer and an infamous maker of LSD in the 1960s. The bears symbolize the fun-loving aspect of the band and have appeared on bumper stickers, T-shirts, and posters. The image serves as an accessible entry point into the band’s philosophy. It first appeared on the back cover of the band’s 1973 live album. The same artist who created the Steal Your Face skull designed the dancing bears as an homage to Owsley Stanley.

(Yes, Owsley 'Bear' Stanley made some fine entheogenic products and audio recordings, I can attest.)

[Tigger]

Re: The ‘debate’ between DJT, the VP, and the Media.

Trump got ambushed; there is very little doubt about that. From the outside [i.e. a non-American] looking in, I’d only wish that DJT took a moment to study how other ‘embattled’ political figures handle a media “whitewashing”. From 1991, Australia:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=EVIOmU3l0Zo

The context may be different, but the bulwark straight-talking in the above video clip is perhaps a better better angle DJT could use in the next debate. I think most Americans would resonate with some of the sentiments here.

In fairness, I don’t really believe either candidate got their points across with enough clout. One candidate was allowed to waffle; the other candidate was beset with interruptions to the point that the original answer was completely de-railed.

From the outside looking in, I’d say that America’s political integrity is more hotly on display than the perceived outcome of this debate. And that, dear friends, is of serious concern.

[Ernie Nemeth]

The only way to be 'taught how to think' is to be taught to distrust your own intelligence. And we see that all the time these days in a myriad of topics.

My favorite is the attempt to cancel the Jews, and use that as the excuse to justify all kinds of atrocities against a group that has no right to exist (and has been determined to not exist extant).

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Tigger (here)
The context may be different, but the bulwark straight-talking in the above video clip is perhaps a better better angle DJT could use in the next debate.

I've no doubt but that straight talking Aussies can talk straighter than almost all us Yanks.

[mountain_jim]

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...artisan-tricks

Debate Post-Mortem: Trump Was Trump, Harris Held Up, And Moderators Played Partisan Tricks

by Tyler Durden
Wednesday, Sep 11, 2024 - 11:10 AM

The initial reaction to last night's debate was that Trump was Trump, the moderators became debaters, and Harris, while nervous and rehearsed, didn't crash and burn - leading to an initial kneejerk in the betting markets favoring the Vice President's odds in November.



...most on the left are celebrating - with Punchbowl News writing that "Tuesday night's debate couldn't have gone better for Harris."

Politico writes: "Trump's Improv Stood No Chance Against Harris' Coached Attacks."

Harris’ strategy in her first debate as a presidential nominee was custom-tailored for one specific moment and one specific opponent. She plainly used her long days of debate prep in a Pittsburgh hotel to compile a rich anthology of taunts, putdowns and derisive one-liners against former President Donald Trump.

Of course, Trump was in a 3-on-1 debate:


(excerpted X post below)

https://x.com/WesternLensman/status/1833869730735603919

Western Lensman
@WesternLensman

This clip may be the most egregious example of ABC debate moderators' direct actions/inactions to affect viewers’ perceptions of the information presented at the debate.

There are at least seven instances of this within a two-minute span.

This is not “bias."

It’s much worse.

This is direct, planned interference in the debate outcome. When moderators take on the role of “fact checkers" the inference is that the absence of a “fact check” confers validity to the non-fact-checked information.

When one side is repeatedly “fact checked,” while the other is not, that is a signal to the viewer that one side is not reliable and truthful, while the other side is.

The ABC moderators had their orders, and here you see those orders executed.

In this clip:

1) Trump says Pelosi is responsible for security at the Capitol. True. Muir intervenes on Kamala’s behalf by cutting him off with snarky retort, doesn’t acknowledging the validity of Trump’s statement, and immediately redirects to Kamala to set up her “answer" he knows is coming. This is direct action by Muir to affect the outcome of this exchange.

2) Kamala says she was at the Capitol on J6. She was there in the morning, but left to go to DNC HQ prior to the riot. Critical information is omitted. No fact-check.

3) Kamala says Trump incited a mob to attack the Capitol. False. Trump’s “peacefully and patriotically” comments are ignored. Trump is not charged with inciting violence. No fact check.

4) Kamala says that “some" police officers died on January 6. False. No fact check.

5) Kamala recites the Charlottesville “Fine People” hoax. This has been thoroughly and repeatedly debunked. No fact check.

6) Kamala recites the “stand back and stand by” hoax. This is designed to infer that Trump was ordering a “militia” to act on later orders, when he was clearly asking for a cooling of tensions. No fact check.

7) Kamala recites the “bloodbath" hoax. Trump was talking about the automobile industry, not violence. No fact check.

To quote Megyn Kelly on the ABC moderators:

"They did exactly what their bosses wanted."


here are the 'top 5 lies' that ABC News moderators failed to fact-check via Collin Rugg:

1. Mandatory Firearm Buybacks:

Kamala Harris told Trump to "stop lying" about her wanting to confiscate firearms. Harris has previously stated multiple times that she wants to launch a mandatory buyback program.

The ABC moderators said nothing.

2. "Fine People" Hoax:

Kamala Harris claimed Trump called neo-N*zi's "very fine people." This hoax was debunked by Snopes but the ABC moderators let it slide.

The ABC moderators said nothing.

3. Post-Birth Abortion:

Trump claimed babies were 'k*lled' outside the womb in failed abortions. Under Tim Walz, babies born alive in botched abortions are allowed to be left to d*e.

Eight babies who survived abortions in Minnesota were abandoned and sadly perished under Walz.

The ABC moderators simply said Trump was lying and moved on without adding context.

4. Defund the Police:

Kamala Harris laughed when Trump said she wanted to defund the police. During a previous interview, Harris said having more cops on the street is "wrong."

She also supported taking police officers out of schools.

The ABC moderators said nothing.

5. Bloodbath Hoax:

Kamala Harris claimed Trump said there would be a bl**dbath if he is not elected, insinuating that his supporters would start k*lling people.

This is completely false. The comment was made during a rally where Trump said there would be a "bl**dbath" for the American auto industry if he is not elected.

The ABC moderators said nothing.

While Goldman notes that the debate "seems to have gone in favor of Harris judging by betting markets and the reaction in assets overnight.," ING suggest a 'wait and see' approach, writing this AM: "Markets may want to wait on new opinion polls in the coming days to take more decisive positions on the election," adding "For now, indications that Harris won this debate, even if by a small margin, can keep a lid on the dollar."

That said, according to Reuters, 70% of an admittedly small polling group of undecided voters said they would either vote for Trump, or were leaning towards backing him.

The encounter was particularly important for Harris, with a weekend New York Times/Siena College opinion poll showing that more than a quarter of likely voters feel they do not know enough about her, in contrast to the well-known Trump.

The Trump converts said they trusted him more on the economy, even though all said they did not like him as a person. They said their personal financial situation had been better when he was president between 2017-2021. Some singled out his proposal to tax foreign imports, although economists say that is likely to raise prices.

Meanwhile, the media is already starting to lie and gaslight. For starter's the New Yorker's Susan Glasser has never heard of Harris' plan that would support taxpayer-funded gender care and transition surgeries for detained illegal aliens.

.....


Of course Harris wants a 2nd debate...

That said, as ZeroHedge friend and contributor "Quoth the Raven" suggests, the debate will backfire for both Harris and ABC...

After last night, when the average critically thinking, independent or moderate voter begins to emerge from the visceral reaction of who “won” the debate, the picture will start to come into focus. And it’ll be a picture of a news network that constantly tried to fact-check Donald Trump, despite Kamala Harris repeating multiple debunked conspiracy theories, like Trump’s Charlottesville comments, which were already debunked by Snopes, and his “bloodbath” comment, which was used in the context of talking about the auto industry.

...

More people know today that the left-leaning media has a narrative and lies to them than ever before. This debate will be different from other ones because it’ll eventually be looked at in that context. And when people go back and watch how the moderators constantly argued the merits with Trump while leading Harris in her answers to multiple questions, this debate will be revealed for the biased farce that it was. And then — mark my words — it will do more harm than good for Kamala Harris.

< more ZH coverage at link >


https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1833878836100182140

Elon Musk

@elonmusk
Deliberate deception for this hoax to be repeated. Even Snopes, who hates Trump, fact checks it as false.

[Mike]

It was an abomination. The moderators hardly even tried to hide their bias. Harris told numerous lies, and she was never fact-checked. Not once. Moderators shouldn't be fact-checking at all (their fact checks weren't even accurate!).

Having said that, I kept waiting for Trump to point this out, and he surprisingly never did.

This is all pure arm-chair quarterbacking here, and I have no clue what the pressure is like when the entire world is watching, but having said all that: while listening I had about 1000 quippy comebacks rolling around in my head every time Harris was done speaking. I mean, there were so many opportunities to choose from that I was practically dizzy, and I was hoping Trump would just choose one (I think I was attempting to will them into his brain, psychically)

I think Trump was pretty good, but he missed a lot of openings. Even with the 3 on 1, he could have sent her running off the stage in tears if only he'd tuned in to my psychics offerings LOL

Harris was nervous to start but found her rhythm as the night wore on. She did far better than anyone could have expected, and I'm sure the left are thrilled with her performance. I mean, it was empty and scripted, and disingenuous, but she delivered it convincingly enough maybe to convince the average voter.

I don't think the debate changes anything really. It was more or less a draw in terms of it's potential effect on the election, imo.

[Arcturian108]

Well it turns out that Harris was wearing an earpiece which conveniently looks like an earring:
https://twitter.com/CFairbanks_1960/...12430381138294

[Arcturian108]

The story about that Ohio town where the Haitians are killing cats and Canadian geese appears to be true according to this local resident:

“Well, since I work in the Ohio city that is presently all over the news, I suppose a few words are in order. (When I type in the city name, Facebook seems to be blocking it.)

For those of you not following, two local Catholic charities have contracted with the federal government to relocate "refugees." (I use quotes, because the local Haitians themselves are telling folks they were recruited for work.) This is publicly disputed, but the evidence is overwhelming. Regardless, at present, 20k Haitians now live in an Ohio town of 60k residents.

The results are predictable, and I can confirm the stories are true.

Traffic accidents involving Haitian drivers has skyrocketed - property damage, hit and runs, and more. One kid was killed when a driver slammed into a school bus filled with kids.

Petty crime is out of control. Stores are locking down merchandise due to rampant theft. Driving without a license is ubiquitous.

The schools are chaotic. The local district has had to spend north of $300k on translators. I spoke with a teacher who said there is not nearly enough room in the existing buildings.

The real estate market is also crazy. A friend of mine in real estate said that most of the Haitian families have banks cards from somewhere with $20k ear-marked for buying homes. The market was already tight, but now the prices are soaring.

Don't get me started on the hospitals.

And, yes, the stories about Haitians killing and eating neighborhood cats and ducks from local parks is true.

I know situations like this are complicated politically and culturally, but what I get most frustrated about is when people call this kind of policy compassionate.

There is not an ounce of compassion in this situation for either the immigrants nor the citizens. The citizens are being ignored, and the immigrants are being manipulated by deep pockets somewhere.

It benefits the politically connected elites and business class, and nobody else.” From a pastor friend in Springfield OH
4:08 PM · Sep 10, 2024
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[I am B]

As a foreigner slightly following all of this, here is my little piece of opinion, that I'm gonna express in the two general possible scenarios I see possible, and how it could develop for each:

- Trump is controlled by whatever establishment there is, so with this debate, they put Kamala on his level, and move forward this agenda of division and unrest among the US citizens.

- Trump is actually fighting the establishment. For some reason he LOST the debate (besides the mediator, fact checkers, and a long etc). And now they have this as a perfect excuse to get Kamala to win by counting the votes their way, and then looking back at this debate for justification. (That would explain this is the only debate she's done)

[BMJ]

JD Vance - Why Have a Government if it's Not Functioning?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=HrgmwtpAsWc

Shawn Ryan Show
11/9/24

Today, we have the privilege of sitting down with JD Vance, a man who has become a critical voice in American politics. JD Vance, known for his bestselling memoir Hillbilly Elegy, is Donald Trump's VP pick and has built a reputation for his deep understanding of Middle America and its struggles. On this solemn day, 9/11, JD shares not only where he was on that fateful day but also the tragic stories from this sober anniversary, reflecting on how the events shaped the course of his life and his decision to enlist in the Marine Corps. He highlights the wave of enlistments that followed 9/11 and contrasts it with today's troubling decline in recruitment.

In this episode, we dive deep into Vance’s views on pressing issues like the Biden-Harris administration’s funding of terrorism and the ongoing war in Ukraine. We explore the troubling amount of taxpayer dollars being spent overseas while American families face financial struggles at home. JD also shares his insight on Israel, the crisis at the border, government reform, and the evolving role of AI technology. This conversation not only covers current policy challenges but also explores JD Vance's vision for addressing these critical issues facing our nation.

00:00 - Introduction
00:37 - 9/11
06:23 - America United
09:12 - Government shutdown
12:45 - Ending wars
18:45 - Ukraine and natural gas
28:43 - Taiwan
30:21 - The border
36:39 - Deportation
42:50 - Trump, Elon, The VA
51:02 - Censorship
53:51 - Cost of living

[kfm27917]

Weinstein: “Donald Trump may not be allowed to become president again”
The 2024 Election Will Be 2020 All Over Again

https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/

[mountain_jim]

https://x.com/DefiantLs/status/1833998946579947808

Defiant L’s

@DefiantLs
This can't be true. The debate moderator yesterday said so.
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Clown World ™ 🤡
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A resident of Springfield, Ohio reported seeing Haitians in a van rounding up cats, saying they were planning to eat them.


Deaf Rowe
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But but but but, the city manager said it wasn't happening. Folks, you think the city manager lives where these people live? I trust the 50 year old dude walking down the street, before I trust the guy that says "nothing to see here"... while the city is falling down around him.





https://x.com/kylenabecker/status/1834173310235533810

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THERE YOU HAVE IT: ABC News debate "moderator" Linsey Davis boasts on air about literally being Kamala Harris' sorority sister. WTF.


https://x.com/LauraLoomer/status/1834292342725247385

[mountain_jim]

https://x.com/ClownWorld_/status/1834070054687605152

https://x.com/amuse/status/1834019171362807941

https://x.com/TheBabylonBee/status/1834232370242699575

https://x.com/LauraLoomer/status/1834293623950827530

[T Smith]

Posted by I am B (here)
As a foreigner slightly following all of this, here is my little piece of opinion, that I'm gonna express in the two general possible scenarios I see possible, and how it could develop for each:

- Trump is controlled by whatever establishment there is, so with this debate, they put Kamala on his level, and move forward this agenda of division and unrest among the US citizens.

- Trump is actually fighting the establishment. For some reason he LOST the debate (besides the mediator, fact checkers, and a long etc). And now they have this as a perfect excuse to get Kamala to win by counting the votes their way, and then looking back at this debate for justification. (That would explain this is the only debate she's done)

Trump's greatest strength is arguably his Achilles Heal. That is, his off-the-cuff approach and aggressive pushbacks against psychological warfare can backfire when successfully coordinated against him. This is what the media does and they are exceptionally skilled and adept at it. This is also what creates irreparable division in the country. And this is what we saw last night. Half (maybe more?) who are susceptible to the psychological operation currently afoot are led right down a slippery chute to frothing-at-the-mouth disdain and hatred for Trump and for the millions of his supporters, and to lesser degrees, for anyone who successfully makes strides pushing back against the program (Tucker Carlson, Alex Jones, etc). This psychological response is part of the magician's trick. But the magic isn't perfect. There are those who see through the sleight of hand (for whatever their motivations to look for and uncover it) who then cannot help but support the pushback, regardless of their personal like or dislike of personality and/or for the methods of the perceived warriors assuming the fight. A clear and unjustifiable onslaught of arrows and bullets suddenly come into focus, all directed at the brave (if foolish Kamikazi-like) warriors pushing back against a massive clandestine agenda currently bent on destroying and conquering the country. The demographic aware of the psyop also develops disdain and hatred (but to lesser degrees, IMV) for what they perceive, in their view, as blind and misdirected support of enemies of America launching arrows and bullets at the brave warriors fighting for the survival of country. But it goes even deeper than that. At the deepest level of awareness, there are some who intuitively understand their countrymen and countrywomen are currently subject to sophisticated divide-and-conquer weaponry, aimed at all, and specifically designed not only to break the country, but also, to conquer humanity and break the world.

In sum, this isn't just a pushback against "the establishment". The word is hackneyed and much too benign a concept for what Trump, RFK Jr., and others are fighting. On the surface, it may appear like a political food fight between the status quo of governmental corruption and its discontents, which, distasteful and triggering though that may be for many, is but a generated illusion, part of the magician's trick. The underlying motivation goes much deeper. We are engaged in psychological warfare waged against all of humanity, and the enemy of we humans (which can't be described by any lesser terms) is employing the minds of people themselves as weapons of war.

Like or dislike, Trump--and perhaps no one more successful than Trump--has risen to status of champion in this war.

A brief historical summary before continuing:

The United States of America, pre 9/11 (though already well on the path of foundational erosion by then) was nonetheless a bulwark model of nations governed by and for its people, whose constitutional structure, rooted in inalienable rights, civil liberties, and individual freedom, was an anathema roadblock to elitist architects with designs for a neofascist New World Order, imagined by Orwell, Huxley, and other insiders, and whose objectives and guidelines have been documented ad nauseam by think tanks and governmental organizations promoting the blueprint, e.g., the Club of Rome, Trilateral Commission, WEF, CFR, etc., etc. The primary battle plan of erecting the World Order lay first in tearing down the American bulwark, which protected and guaranteed human rights and individual freedoms, granted by God, impervious to any earthly or human power. The battle plan entailed asserting designs and psychological landmines within the structure, outlined in quasi-secret detail by various institutions and social engineers, notwithstanding the aforementioned above. Though the United States was a secular government, its core values were nonetheless founded by God, so foremost among these designs, among other things (including the indoctrination of citizens of various social injustices both real and imagined that tend to arise from cultures founded on human rights and freedoms) was to remove God from the structure. This proved relatively easy, as the United States of America, a secular government, and in reverence of individual liberty and freedom, yielded to its citizens their personalized conceptions of God. Therefore the removal of the concept of God from culture was employed easily as a weapon to divide. Again, back to the main theme. The country's greatest strength was also its Achilles Heal. The presence of God was never a religious or spiritual requirement of culture; one was free to be an atheist or an agnostic--and in fact religion and spirituality were societal values encouraged and respected as individual pursuits, to each their own--but to avoid slavery and oppression en masse, the social order was required nonetheless to retain some conceptual construct of God as the granter of human rights, if the order itself was to avoid falling into slavery and oppression.

The summary above is not a theory, opinion, or an intellectual interpretation. It is a well-documented conspiracy, whose tenets are (were) etched in stone. The conspiracy entails an aggressive eugenics campaign, democide, psychological and physical warfare against humanity, and perhaps even the intended annihilation/extinction of the human race. Details and examples are far too exhaustive to delve into further, but suffice to say the war afoot is well-documented and understood by many, including by most members here on the forum.

Now: back to Trump and the 2024 POTUS Election:

The strategy behind Trump's approach in last night's debate was predicated on a belief that enough people have awakened--at least in part--to the agenda described above, based on strides gained by Trump and others, such that the champion need only focus on "the record" of his opponent to serve the decisive blow. The idea was, the designs and records of the Harris/DNC camp are so absurdly counter the civil liberties, freedom, and values on which the United States of America was founded, and so transparently blatant and out-in-the-open, a mere expose of them would surely resonate with the electorate and drag the dirty scoundrels of "the establishment" out in the open (and hence foment a deeper understanding of the anti-human agenda described above).

In other words, Trump's advisors convinced him the best way to reach TDS folk or those otherwise still oblivious to the underlying dynamic of the food fight is to ditch his usually contentious (and often offensive) battle plan, remain professional and passive, and stay on message.

But this proved a failing strategy last night, IMO, because Trump's advisors underestimated--and still underestimate--the psychological program, a dynamic Trump himself has viciously fought against, and has never before until last night underestimated.

To conclude:

When one candidate attempts to expose the deeper and often deceptive agenda of another, the deception is rarely exposed by merely regurgitating the opposing candidate's "record". Record is always clouded by spin, propaganda, disinformation, and misinformation. Rather, when an agenda is cloaked by psyop (as I believe in this case it is), a candidate can only expose it via the body language of his opponent when his opponent is defending her record in a pitch supporting its underlying agenda. This is how we humans discern and understand abstract motivations and actions, especially when abstract motivations are crafted behind the cloak of magic and deception. Even a concrete accusation levied against one's opponent is just words. Your father is a Marxist professor and you have a Marxist agenda for America. Just words. If the audience truly understood these words, and/or their implications, or even assigned them but a fraction of veracity or weight, not one in ten would vote to advance that agenda. Yet these are the exact words Trump levied against Harris last night, which failed to deliver. This is because Harris didn't have to answer the accusation. The debate format was designed to assure they were just words....

Of course this is nothing new in politics, but something Trump in the past has successfully maneuvered around. The strategy last night fell flat because his advisors convinced him to alter his approach, which allowed Kamala Harris and moderators to skirt any and all off-the-cuff explanations of her political convictions, policy positions, and political record. What's more, not once was she tasked to defend the underlying agenda. Harris pivoted, the moderators didn't press or redirect, and instead falsely fact-checked Trump and lobbed softballs back at Harris designed to put Trump on defense. I'm not judging the moderators nor admonishing Harris--just explaining what happened and how, and granting those who designed the rules the winners of the art of debate.

All said, was it wise in retrospect to direct Trump off his game? To advise him to look presidential and less a bully? (which admittedly, may have backfired as well). My answer would be, yes and no.

If I were advising Trump, the best approach to expose Harris would be professional and presidential when addressing her directly, but stern and demanding (harshly if necessary) an answer out of her whenever she pivoted into a scripted non-answer. Make her answer the questions, specifically, and defend her positions, and in her own, non-scripted words. This is how you expose. And especially Harris, given her oratory skills, or lack thereof. But to do so, you do have to fight (and perhaps even bully) the moderators propping up their candidate. That's a fascinating reply, Madam Vice President Harris--and I know you have help here tonight--but you didn't answer the question. Do you think Americans (and the world) are better off now than they were three and half years ago? . She would have stammered and flustered, but I would have advised to repeat the question, and similar others, until she answered. Yes or no! Or Why do you think adopting a Marxist platform is the best way forward for America? Of course the moderators would jump to her defense, but that's when I would advise to go all-in Trump and continue to press for an unscripted answer, and viciously bully (if necessary) and in classic Trump fashion, the dishonest moderators coming to her defense.

Apologies for the lengthy reply to your comments. This is my humble take on your observations and opinion.

[mountain_jim]

tough to follow that substantive post with this one, but this if funny, and again shows how crappy the MSM is in my view.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...ers-weatherman

Watch: Trump Supporter Runs Through Hurricane With Flag, Triggers Weatherman

by Tyler Durden
Thursday, Sep 12, 2024 - 12:20 PM
Authored by Steve Watson via Modernity.news,

There have been several contenders for MAGA moment of the week, from Trump telling Harris to her face that Biden hates her, to Biden himself putting on a Trump hat, but this video has to be up there with them.



During a weather report from Louisiana, where Hurricane Francine landed and registered a category two storm, a man was seen running through the shot waving a Trump 2024 flag.

Not put off by the strong winds, whipping rain, and widespread power outages, the Trump supporter, flag in hand, sprinted by fist pumping the air and triggering the Fox News weather guy Mike Seidel into covering the camera with his hand.


https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1834020773125665231

The optics are perfect.

There’s a storm brewing, the media is pumping out fear and trying to cover up the truth, while Trump’s supporters will run through natural disasters for him.

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