An important announcement following the closure of the WORM TONGUE thread

[Ultima Thule]

Thank you Bill!

As I have at other times posted, you have taught me what it is to be a gentleman.
I feel a gentleman should not be challenged over and over again. Bill and Charles seem to share a similar position: fire at will, why is that, I ask you? I find that completely unfair - I feel both of them representing straight, honest way of interaction, sometimes with limited room to maneuver in. How many times a gentleman must ask to trust that they know what they are doing?

Perhaps the most important questions before questioning Bill would be to oneself: As I am staying in Bills "home", what have I done to benefit PA, in return for Bill "accommodating" me? Do I really, really, really know enough to pass judgement on anybody? Am I really in a position to comfortably be launching a stone?

->

Words of wisdom:
1. From my sisters boyfriend: when you really feel urged to do something immediately - it is usually a bad idea, wait and if you still feel like it after a week, then it perhaps has some merit to it.
2. From a former work mate of mine: I label people in two sections, the ones I would go fishing with and the ones I would not wan´t to be stuck in a small boat with.

Bill, if you ever come to Finland, I have a small boat, a few fishing rods and would absolutely love to be stuck in it with you!

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by jorr lundstrom (here)
Love the colour my Lord, thought it was agent orange first, then I thought it was a fertilizer. And at last I saw there was a retarded explanation.

Well, being an expert on carrots, wot do yuo say. are here any carrots posting on PA? Sometimes I feel a distinct scent from some postings.

Could you elaborate on this, please, please, please. please. ple

Do you have any idea how expensive that one drop was?
234,745 carrots went into that mix.
Man, did the Imperial Treasury take a hit. I am gonna have to raise taxes on the Hutts to make up for it now.
Dunno about carrots posting on Avalon, but I think there could be some lemons.

Posted by modwiz (here)

You know Lord Sidious you are seriously creating malnourishment for the entities who are feasting here.

Good job!

Thanks nuggetwiz.
We have a paradigm in play at the moment.
A shortage of moderators and an excess of nuggetry.
So, the answer is carrots.

Posted by benevolentcrow (here)
I am not bound for any public place, but for ground of my own where I have planted vines and orchard trees, and in the heat of the day climbed up into the healing shadow of the woods.
~ Wendell Berry

Can we move past this and let the healing begin?

Excellent question.
Thanks for that quote, in return, I offer you this.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Jg-Lhlx8uBA

Back Home in Derry.

Posted by Zook (here)
Good Morning Good Avalon Good Bill,

Bill, I think it unfortunate that you took this course of action with respect to Richard and Celine. You owe them both an apology, at the very least.

I came to Avalon about six months ago because I believed in your integrity. I believed in the man in the famous hat that I had seen in all those videos. I trusted in his view of the world, and in the way he treated people. A genteel soul and a group leader. Sadly, I must leave now because the illusion of an enlightened soul and a gentle man ... has been replaced with the tragic reality of a man burdened with ego, beset with misguided purpose, quick to throw friends under the bus, never admitting to fallibility when his mistakes are pointed out to him, overrules consensus decisions arrived by the moderating staff to protect the integrity and charter of Avalon ... in short, an autocrat. I think you were a good man - and deep inside, may still be a good man ... but you have clearly lost your way. I would be delinquent in my duty as an Avalonian, and as a friend to the genuinely great people and passengers on the ship of Avalon (that I have come to respect and love) ... if I kept silent on these observations.

The Ship of Avalon is a volunteer argosy. We are all here with our time and energy to try and make the sail a clean one, an informational one, an adventurous one. The charter is is essentially round table in design (e.g. a ship of equals); but even a ship of equals requires a crew. And Bill, to your credit, you were a good Captain for much of the early voyage. But sometimes, in the fog, even good captains lose their way. Unless there is a lighthouse to warn of danger, the ship will run aground in the night. To this, the moderating team was that lighthouse ... aboard the ship but also on the boulders of the rugged shore. Two places at once. And in that lighthouse - while I've been here - Richard was the large light bulb. Without his dedication and love for the ship and voyage, this sail would've grounded long ago. I have not one bad word to say against him. And if you had been thinking clearly, neither would you. Celine is a good heart. I know her basically through her posts on Avalon as you all do. I have only positive things to say about her, also. If she has a fault, maybe it is being too open with her heart. But that's not really a fault as much as an inconvenience to those not used to loving energy. Certainly, Avalonians could use some love these days.

I made the final decision to deMOD myself after I'd seen this post of yours today. It reeks of throwing a good faithful friend under the bus - who's always had the best interests of Avalon and yourself at heart ... and promoting yourself as the white knight riding in to save Avalon. Sorry ... I've always been a straight shooting son of a hitch (Mom and Dad got together in 1962) ... and so i have to call it like I see it, whatever the consequences. Something has happened to you Bill. I don't know what. But it has taken a good man to bad places. Only you can fix yourself and your compunction for autocracy. Maybe then, you will be right again to captain this ship to the adventures on the high seas. I say this with all good intentions for you. Even as I leave the Avalon crew alongside other good people - all exceptional souls - I wish you the very best in the future.

Humble opinions all around.



ps: To all Avalonians, including those I've disagreed with in the past ... you have my love and respect.

ps2: In the end, it wasn't a gypsy ... or one to kill a mocking bird ... it was AUTOCRACY.

Not Zooknugget too?
Damn. You make Sith Lords sad.

Posted by Hiram (here)
Dear All,

I appreciate the clarification offered here by Bill, with regards to Richard and Celine's parting.

I can attest that the pressures of moderating and administrating a forum of this size are immense, and Richard has been the primary Admin for some time. Richard has performed his tasks and duties with the utmost respect and professionalism and the events leading up to this situation have been brewing for some time. I have only kind things to say about about them both.

Out of respect for Richard and Celine as friends, as well as the very tight circle of moderators which we have here, I will refrain from commenting on the situation further. I also do this out of respect for Bill and what he has done--this effort cannot be overlooked.

It is a very difficult situation for a moderator to be in...as one user above pointed out, it is a voluntary duty.

I am going to be taking some time away to think.

Yet, I will remain on Avalon as always, and I hope I may continue to contribute in whatever way I can--however barring any unforeseen events, I will be doing this without a Mod-hat on.

I believe strongly in what we do here...sharing with each other.

That will continue.

In the light of the One,

Hiram

Thanks for your past service Hiram.
And especially for staying around.

Posted by HaveBlue (here)
For me to post without reading the whole thread first is unusual but this is an unusual thread!

1. It is NOT a sad day for Avalon at all. It may or may not be sad for those that engaged mouth before brain but nobody else.

2. Anyone that thinks the internet (as in any forum, PMs or not) is a private place seriously needs a check up from the neck up!

3. Personally a high post count here is not something to be proud of. You are in effect telling us all you have no life outside this forum. So why would anyone listen to one who lacks such life experience.
It is like listening to children. We listen, give feedback, are not condecending but we certainly don't take them seriously.

4 Psychiatric Institutions (some) do have the internet, therefore I understand why one might have a high post count if they have nothing else to do while in there.
This forum however may not be the best place for those with 'issues' what with all the 'truth seeking' going on. Especially if you already have your work cut out deciding what is real and what is not.

And your post helps to heal us all how?
And thanks for the slur on our members by mentioning mental institutions, that is real low.
Carrots are on the way to you now.

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Please let me de-confuse you - and a number of others. A few of you understand what has happened. Many (include some of the ex-mods) do not.

Take deep breath and read all of what follows. Then you will understand.

You know Bill, the first thing that comes to mind after reading this is piggy in the middle.
Have you ever participated in that? Where 3 guys are trying to keep the ball off the guy in the middle?
That is how that all looks, with you in the middle, excuse being called piggy, that is the term.

It's sad to see the team that a lot of us respect and love fall apart.
Regardless of the whys, it is still sad.
Thank you for the explanation.
Best wishes to you Bill, but no carrots.

Posted by DianeKJ (here)
Bill thank you for taking the time to share that, I'm certain it wasn't easy. I'm not going to pretend that I understand every nuance of what is going on behind the scenes. I do know we have work to do, broken pieces to clean up.

I hold space in my heart for everyone on Avalon, even those who are leaving us.

It is time to build instead of tear down.
Namaste,
Di

Here it is folks, a doer post. And even better, a rebuild and heal post with no ill will to anyone.
An AVALON post.
Let's all be Avalon.
Oh, and no carrots for you either.

Posted by Icecold (here)

I think Bill was really hurt by not having the support he needed. I've been in that situations on forums, so has Lord Sidious, its a very lonely position, waiting for someone to post in your support.

Having said all that....I refuse to bad mouth people I have considered friends. Its a loyalty thing.
I cannot and will not join any witch hunting comments regarding Celine. I'm not going there.

Like someone else here said, I assumed that Bill would have an absolute torrent of PMs and so I didn't send him anything, working on the basis that too much is TOO MUCH.

I live in the situation of posting what I believe and having it knocked down, ridiculed, or misunderstood.
Not so much here though, at least not now.
When I first got here that happened a bit, but I stand for what I believe is truth and that doesn't require support.
In this life, I have always been a bit of an icebreaker out there in the cold, cracking up the ice for others to have an easier way through.
It isn't easy, but life wasn't meant to be.
Like you, I don't think badmouthing would help now as we should be looking at moving forward and healing all those damaged, whether here, banned or leaving.
No carrots for you either.

Posted by Sync (here)
Recent dissentions skew toward proof of the very stereotypes that are held for humanity by hidden hands.

The stereotypes are false yet deeply rooted.

Avalonian micro aggressions mirror the macro; they oscillate, reciprocate.

Standing waves serving as undergirding to ego and stagnation.

So many are watching.

Be mindful of the staining litmus.

We, of humanity, are capable of so much more.

Breath.

Remember who you are.

Think.

Was the dangled carrot poisoned?

Will we transcend and self-organize?

He who has not the spirit of this age, has all the misery of it.
-Voltaire

Poisoned carrots? What criminals would do such a thing?

Posted by Carmody (here)

The coming of the age of Aquarius....The age of Aquarius... is one of communication.

Shocking change is also Aquarius energies. Ruler: Uranus.

Also rules the internet and electricity.

The ninth day is too short ........for the action to take place on anything but a forum?

Think about it.

PS.... Calleman says the days/nights are......18 days long.

For us to evolve, apparently... we have to develop into an individual communicative/communicating individual- collective. And the next level is mental.

No secrets?

Age of Aquarius? Yeah, we can do that.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=f0G8XJNz4bY

I always liked that tune.

[Shairia]

I see the spider is still looking for flies.

[modwiz]

Posted by Shairia (here)
Hmmmmmmmmm strange comment Modwiz.

I'm a strange person. I was born blue. Umbilical cord around my neck. Should I be banned?

[Shairia]

Sounds good to me.

[modwiz]

Posted by Shairia (here)
Sounds good to me.

Just the compassion we are looking for.

It is the Scorpions nature to sting

[Dennis Jonathan]

Thank you for clearing that up Bill. I agree with the comments that it took a good deal of courage to open up like that, and I commend you for it.

The first thing I thought when reading your post was "ahh, so is that all?".

Not to diminish the emotional exchange of any involved, but just to categorize it.

When discrepencies and secrets are vaguely eluded to, it is natural for the imagination to run wild. To read that this was simply a matter of power struggle - meets - spousal priviledge - meets - growing pains - meets - unintended offense - was quite a relief.

I've seen these acts play out dozens of times across a variety of mediums. The perfect storm of emotional interaction colliding into an alignment shift.

Some wounds heal quickly, others take time. Therefore, I believe, it is for the best that some parted ways. Some who have left feel the fresh pain of emotional hurt. The kind that needs time apart to heal. Some who are not injured, have moved on to help dear friends on the mend.

Regardless, we are still one world, one existence, one people, One.

No amount of in-fighting, and hurtful words can ever change that.

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by modwiz (here)

Posted by Shairia (here)
Hmmmmmmmmm strange comment Modwiz.

I'm a strange person. I was born blue. Umbilical cord around my neck. Should I be banned?

Maybe a good thrashing with some rhubarb, but banning? No.
Hang on, you might like the rhubarb thrashing.
Ok, I shall ponder this.

[Shairia]

Posted by modwiz (here)

Posted by Shairia (here)
Sounds good to me.

Just the compassion we are looking for.

Oh I have plenty of compassion for those deserving of it.

[jcocks]

Hmm...

Corect me if I'm wrong, but did I just witness history repeating itself? I'm not going to go over and read the last 34 pages of discussion (at least) - I'll never get it done.... And I don't pretend to understand what's really going on here... I have the utmost respect for Celine and Richard, and the behaviour that's happened over the last day or two from them sounds very out of charector.... But again, I'm not privvy to all the nuances of what has occurred...Suffice to say, I think this is the perfect opportunity for a clean slate and getting on with the job at hand. Let's try to make sure this doesn't happen again

Love and light to you all
Joel

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

May we all take a moment and ... ah scrap that. Everything has gone pear shaped anyway. But I do believe that we'll all make good from this scenario. A little eruption in the huge volcano we have here called Mt Avalon. I always try and see the good that can come from the bad. I feel like good times are ahead. I find it seriously old fashioned to sit at the back and say " things have become bad and it's not like it used to be blah blah blah "

To a new beginning.

Oh and to Lord Sidious whom has really tried to make good from bad. Love that and the carrot thing. Before I came on the thread I was helping a new performer decide what he wanted to juggle and I had told him to juggle carrots and eat them. I insisted on it.. He has promised to do so. Then I came here and saw your carrot theme.. made me laugh.

Here's something else you can do with your carrots.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=vHV5ukFL0NU

Peace

Ski-

[Lord Sidious]

Thanks for that, I always found traditional Japanese music fascinating.
I could tell you it resonates within me, but that would be an understatement.
My intent is that instead of us all being part of Avalon, we BECOME Avalon.
And I will drag you all kicking and screaming over that line.
Some of you will have carrots in various orifaces, but you are coming too.

[Isthatso]

Still a bit of stone throwing going on ......... but nearly there.......

It's kinda like 'The Rapture' around here........

Can't wait for the new interviews....

Warm wishes

[FearNot]

Dear Bill, Richard, Celine and all Avalon members and readers:

I'm no scientist but I do feel that strong energies from the cosmos are affecting all of us on Earth right now and what has happened here at Avalon is a precursor to what will be happening on a larger scale shortly when masses of people awaken - strong emotions, miscommunications, fear, anger, and an insatiable desire/anxiety to seek the truth about who we are and how we got here. How we handle ourselves, how we discipline ourselves to look for the highest good, how we treat each other - all these are the tests that are here now for us to learn from. I personally am barely passing any of these tests and generally suck big time in my personal life right now but like many of you check in here at Avalon to find strength, read the gems written by some ultra intelligent wise souls, explore the answers to the seemingly endless array of possible earth change scenarios, and have the occasional gasp and laugh.

I do applaud all three of you Bill, Richard and Celine for your hard work and love and efforts and courage. Here is a flower inspired quote for you Richard and Celine my fellow Canadians:

Mark Twain said: "Forgiveness is the scent of the violet on the heal that crushes it." May you both be well, flourishing, and happy always.

To you Bill, I wish you were closer so I too could help keep you out of the cold right now. Please, if you are dealing with survival issues which we all do from time to time please focus on yourself first - you don't have to save the world or even Avalon for that matter - you and Kerry and all your moderators at both sites have done so much already to help raise consciousness and share such critical information for our times - heros and knights in shining armour all!

The photos posted of you both at the UFO conference exude an enormous amount of love and light, it shines through brightly, may it serve as a protection from any hurt that you feel now and forever. I am sorry that forum members say hurtful things that we would never dare say to one another if we were looking into each others eyes in person where we could see the immediate reaction of hurt, sorrow and pain we cause.

Brightest light and love and hugs to all,
Deborah

P.S. For what it is worth, Calleman thinks that March 9th is the dawn of the Unity Wave, the 18 day period that propel a process designed to lead the universe and the human beings to their highest state of consciousness - not a moment too soon me thinks! http://www.calleman.com/content/arti...unity_wave.htm

[Isthatso]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
Thanks for that, I always found traditional Japanese music fascinating.
I could tell you it resonates within me, but that would be an understatement.
My intent is that instead of us all being part of Avalon, we BECOME Avalon.
And I will drag you all kicking and screaming over that line.
Some of you will have carrots in various orifaces, but you are coming too.

With you on that - but I'll be protecting my orifaces....

[Chakra]

Posted by FearNot (here)
Dear Bill, Richard, Celine and all Avalon members and readers:

I'm no scientist but I do feel that strong energies from the cosmos are affecting all of us on Earth right now and what has happened here at Avalon is a precursor to what will be happening on a larger scale shortly when masses of people awaken - strong emotions, miscommunications, fear, anger, and an insatiable desire/anxiety to seek the truth about who we are and how we got here. How we handle ourselves, how we discipline ourselves to look for the highest good, how we treat each other - all these are the tests that are here now for us to learn from. I personally am barely passing any of these tests and generally suck big time in my personal life right now but like many of you check in here at Avalon to find strength, read the gems written by some ultra intelligent wise souls, explore the answers to the seemingly endless array of possible earth change scenarios, and have the occasional gasp and laugh.

I do applaud all three of you Bill, Richard and Celine for your hard work and love and efforts and courage. Here is a flower inspired quote for you Richard and Celine my fellow Canadians:

Mark Twain said: "Forgiveness is the scent of the violet on the heal that crushes it." May you both be well, flourishing, and happy always.

--------------------
P.S. For what it is worth, Calleman thinks that March 9th is the dawn of the Unity Wave, the 18 day period that propel a process designed to lead the universe and the human beings to their highest state of consciousness - not a moment too soon me thinks! http://www.calleman.com/content/arti...unity_wave.htm

The issues you have brought up here regarding the emotional extremes are bang on - I have been putting out fires between really good people all week! It is like the intensity of the solar energies have been pushing peoples buttons BIG TIME!

Things said or being written I am seeing being totally miss-understood. Seems everything is being put under a magnifying glass.
Cheers
Renee

[sygh]

Posted by perfectresonance (here)

Posted by write4change (here)
Can the moderators and the administrators read the PMs and are they free to do so?

I'll answer this one in a generic sense.

You must never assume that any computer system, such as a forum, is operated in true privacy.

At all times, always, you rely on the integrity of the person/people who are in control of the technology.

If such people have a different outlook, different agenda, or hidden objectives, then that sort of trust is misplaced.

It basically comes down to this: NEVER write anything in a PM on a forum that you couldn't really stand behind if it became public.

Simply write everything assuming it already IS being read by others.

Finally, it depends on the forum software, how it is configured and at what level of integrity the admins/mods operate. But yes, there is theoretically NOTHING that stops them from accessing anything and everything if they CHOOSE to do so.

Or to share it with people that do not have such access.

Funnily enough, I was warning people about that EXACT same thing just in the last 24 hours. I hope they are taking notes.

Finally, a practical answer: If you have the need to have a private conversation, use the PM facility to exchange details on Skype IDs, email addresses or other such methods so the conversation can take place under the noses of different computer techs, admins and mods that have no knowledge or investment in what you end up sharing.


EDIT: (an afterthought - sorry)

And a warning: Just because you DELETE something and it disappears from view? It is probably not gone. Just flagged to no longer be displayed. Think about that before you write anything.

I was worried about that too. Not the part where anything you write doesn't disappear, that's fine with me, I could care less. In all the time I've been affiliated with Project Avalon, or Project Camelot, I've probably not sent more than 10-12 PMs to anyone, and had really just started PM'ing most recently. I don't like pitting anyone against anyone else. I don't want to hurt people I don't know, and I don't want to be used to hurt anyone else. I hope that is understandable to eveyone. All we can do is try our hardest be kind, and if we are wrong, admit it. If there is something bothering me I ask, along with a -please tell me if I'm in error, and try to see the situation as it is, not as a personal attack, I don't know you, it's the subject matter. I have to ask; how else can I find out, etc... Sometimes, that's all you can do. And I do make errors, not intentionally but none the less.

[thewebkid]

This song is playing right now on my internet radio as I peruse this thread. Seems like a good one for all of us...
http://listen.grooveshark.com/s/Divi...d/2BQJqw?src=5

Sending my heart to all parties and imagining what it would be like to be in each person's shoes.

[Anchor]

.........


This too shall pass

It has happened before it will most likely happen again.

As predicted - groups will split and reform.

It is a gradual and natural process.

People grouping into clusters of like mindedness and vibration. Same in forums as in real life.

There are no clear winners today, no clear losers.

We are just individuals at play in our roles, just people being part of the one infinite creator doing its through the great illusion of third density - an illusion that wanes for us, some days more than others.

Final thought for this rough day: "What is done in the dark, will be shown in the light"

John..

[Teakai]

Geez, Bill. You remind me of Jesus - only you have more Judases - or is that Judi?



Love to you, Bill.