An important announcement following the closure of the WORM TONGUE thread

[Ruby L.]

Thank you, Bill, for putting matters out into the open and for taking the time to present your side of the story with clarity and frankness. It's a move I deeply appreciated and applaud you for because with your words, you've cleared what has been up till late, muddied and murky waters of Avalon.

Thanks, also, for stepping up to what you consider to be the right thing to do. I've always had a lot of faith and respect for your decisions, integrity and sincerity and consider you a shining soul, always walking towards the bigger truth. Your post just confirms my feelings all the more. And that you're human upholding all these values… why, Bill, I feel like putting together a cheering team in your name!

Bless you and bless Avalon.

And bless Richard and Celine, too. We are all walking our own path and, though people might not agree with one another, we can agree that path walking does not always make an easy journey. I hope they find their peace.

[kcw_one]

I must admit that I have been an absent member since around the time that the Charles material started causing such a ruckus, though I do not intend to offer any opinions about it as I don't really have much of any. Never was drawn to get into it, but that's for another thread.

I still pop by the forum a couple times a week to see if there are any intriguing threads to lurk around, and after I did so earlier this evening, I was glued to the computer screen for about 3 hours catching up on the most recent events.

To be honest, I really don't know what to think. I have no emotional attachment to any member here, though I've had certain impressions from my own interpretations of members' communications. I was quite taken aback though at the reports that I read. I looked through all 16 pages of the worm thread, thinking BLECH this is ugly. Severe reactions by many a member, but this is not too surprising considering what I have noticed in people in general in the world lately. A sign of the times, I'd say.

I finished by reading Bill Ryan's explanation of his perspective and account of events, as he has experienced them. I thank Bill for clearing the air somewhat, though I do suspect that there is quite a lot going on in the back channels that most of us have no idea about. I haven't any opinion or judgement about what happened, or what decisions were made, though I do have an observation to share.

It is key to remember that the compression that we are experiencing here on Earth as we approach the end of the cycle will continue to add pressure to all of us, causing issues to surface and situations to come to a head. I would say that this is part of the balancing process that is necessary for whatever shift there is that I feel is on its way, and already underway. We may look at circumstances on the surface and judge them as good or bad, but in essence the just ARE. This forum serves a purpose for every member or visitor who consumes the content, though the purpose for one person may vary wildly from that of another. Some will use it for spreading negativity and discord, while others will use it to spread knowledge, love and wisdom. It's up to the individual to choose, and it may be wise to avoid judgement if possible. It doesn't mean there cannot be disagreement, or that everyone has to LIKE each other.

I won't make an arse of myself by telling you all what I think needs to happen here, or what my personal opinions are about the state of Avalon or whatnot, as I am just another guy sitting in front of a screen watching the show unfold. But I will make one request of everyone here . . .

Let's all try to be more kind okay?

Maybe we could focus a little more on what we AGREE on, rather than so much disagreement.

Or not. It's up to you.

[witchy1]

*Witchy walks in, making her way thru the crowd, wand in hand the crowd disperses. She walks up to the front of the crowd - Sssshhhhhhhhhhh everyone. The crowd gathers round in eager anticipation*

“Thank you all for coming, I had hoped to be here under less stressful circumstances. However we are here because we care and there are issues to be discussed. Not in the least so that the toxins can be released and the healing begin. For without such lanceing of the septic wound, it will surely continue to fester and create pain. A most unfortunate set of tribulations in such a fine community. However we are human and as such beautiful emotional beings.

I speak in assessment of the situation only, not in mediation or judgement of any person. Judgement of actions should be objective and preferably internally assessed, once considerations have been raised. We do have a right as caring creatures of this planet and of this forum to assist in healing and also to suggest ways to prevent a recurrence. This makes us a formidable team.

With tenderness, all that I see are the sound of hearts breaking, confusion, sadness, anger, disbelief, sorrow and much courage

We have yet to hear the full background and the truth according to those involved. It is unlikely that this will now eventuate for they are no longer here to speak. Each will have their own perspective on the truth, and each will speak with their own emotions on events that transpired. Each will use parts to support their case, each will leave out parts that detract from their case. We are human and we experience the same situation differently

To all Avalonians, please remember - Once you have chosen your side, you have also chosen your enemy. It is difficult to back down once you have drawn that line in the sand. Be the discerning, appropriate caring people that I have come to love and admire - even in the worst of times.

Having considered the information thus far, it appears that the genesis lies in a few areas that can come perhaps be classed as communication.
It would appear
Boundaries may not have not been set, roles may not have not been defined, assumptions may have been made, promises may have been broken and misunderstandings have definately occurred.
People have placed much trust and faith in others and have been disappointed with the result.
People have taken on roles assuming they know what is expected, and have been proven wrong. People have been provided access to information that they were not permitted to have. That information has been passed on selfishly and without consent for what can only be self serving reasons.
Trust has thus been destroyed through thoughtless and insensitive actions.

Humans will make their own boundaries and rules where none exist.

To prevent recurrence, rights and responsibilities must be clearly articulated. Consequences must be coherent and instant termination reasons expressly defined and adhered to. Professional conduct must be maintained by those running the forum and agreed to in advance of accepting the position.

*With a subtle twitch of her wand, and a twinkle in her eye, gentle rays of stardust fall on the mesmerized crowd. Awakened with hope and forgiveness, gentle of heart and humble in outlook they turn to their neighbor with a look of understanding and love*

Embrace those who chose to go. Remember understanding, forgiveness and humility are our better qualities. We are one, our paths will cross again.

Sid – I’ll take a triple shot of Vodka with my carrot juice.

[Hawkwind]

Posted by modwiz (here)

Posted by Shairia (here)
Hmmmmmmmmm strange comment Modwiz.

I'm a strange person. I was born blue. Umbilical cord around my neck. Should I be banned?

So, you had the blood supply to your brain cut off at a very early age. That explains a great deal!

(For anyone who might read that as an insult. Modwiz is one of the people on this forum whom I most respect and if he didn't at least get a chuckle out of the comment, I've missed my mark.)

[modwiz]

Ya got me.

Right in the funny bone.

[greybeard]

Every one makes mistakes and when we own up to them we grow.
Bill was in a very vulnerable position and an easy target.
This is a whistle blower site, there have been few new people to interview in the last year.
Membership low.
Bill is by nature an investigator a journalist.
When Charles arrived it would have seem like a gift from the Gods, membership would be boosted, something positive could be achieved.
It went ahead for all the right reasons.

However the u tube posting of the video led to a demand for membership like never before.

If the original small membership had seen the video first it would have been manageable with a stead influx of new members.
Instead the flood gates were opened and the membership tripled.

The mods were overwhelmed.

On top of that Charles was only giving snippets of information it was a recipe for disaster.
The adrenalin created over 100 Charles threads,

Quite a few members after seeing the first video tried to advise, support Bill even though they did not necessarily agree that Charles was the finest thing since sliced bread.
Support for Bill was solid even though there was some lack of support for the Charles material
Bill was convinced he was the real deal (maybe he is) and supported Charles well beyond any whistle blower has ever been supported here.
In fairness there was the chance of interaction, posting questions to be answered.

The mods I spoke with were concerned for the future of Avalon from early on in January.
There was a feeling that Avalon was loosing original direction and not to the good either.
They were trying to guide Bill with little success.
It was clear from Jan one that we were heading for trouble
Threads were left to rumble on forever.
Members were ignoring requests to take a break from Mods and even when threads were paused people kept posting.



Celine was being Celine, original members understood her well.
Some new members just did not understand her and yes she was some what difficult to follow at times.

So GW was in my estimation paranoid, that is not a put down, I liked her energy but she would say things like every key stroke is screen shotted
She was fearful and fear brings what you are afraid of.
It was a self fulfilling prophecy
She provoked quite a few members.

I dont know what happened behind the scenes regarding Celine but I also advised and supported Celine, not in what she was doing but as a person.


so Bill you cant have it both ways either you were steering the ship or you weren't.

The fact that so many mods have relinquished their position is very telling.
Is every one out of step but our Bill?

As said everyone makes mistakes
Maybe I make a mistake in posting this but I have tried to steer the middle course.
The truth lies in the middle some where.

We have most of it now but not all I suspect

Do we really need to know?


The seeking of truth then sharing it can actually be contra to integrity.

Mamy mamy where did I come from?
Thats me as a child
Inverness was the answer
We dont allways need to know the intimate details.

Can we not just get on to buisness as usual?

Chris

[Ruby L.]

Witchy1,

Bravo!! A beautifully and brilliantly written post. You are, indeed, as magical as you are wise!

Lord Sidious, the round's on me.

[irishspirit]

This is all getting so embarrassing!

[Inanna]

Hurray for Witchy1 !

[Spiralmind]

It greatly concerns and angers me that ANYONE has been "asked to leave" a community for any reason. Is this new paradigm we talk so much about going to include actions such as excommunication and ostracism from the 'village' or 'society'. If we want to rise above the current way things are done and be an example of positive change, we need to find ways to work things out. Let's be honest....in ANY community, be it a forum, city, or country there will be conflicts, disagreements, misunderstandings....no one ever said it would be easy. Can we please try to be the change we want and show the world what it means to be "in light".

Thank you.

[New Dawn]

What a mess! To new Avalon members, I'll say, don't lose hope, remember what is important, and try not to let the stupidity of the few ruin the good intentions of the many. It is OUR actions that either make or break us, Avalon, and the world. Bill has explained himself sufficiently regarding the areas I've had concern with. To those who did abuse their position by reading PM's (private messages) - shame on you, you let us all down.

I'm sure that most of us here are good natured, but some people clearly abused their position, and those people have to go. I have never spoke to Celine, but did read her posts, and I wish her all the best. Richard should never have threatened another member - Avalonians do not act like this, and if you do, this place is not for you, but I wish him the best too, and Beth etc.

Everyone is equally as important as Bill, and we have to ALL collectively 'be the change' as I said several weeks back.

This change is about how you treat others (not just for appearance sake, but for real, down to the very core of your thoughts. Treat everyone well, and lets continue to build a forum where these petty wars are not able to penetrate the forum. Bill be careful in future of what you merge eh, I believe it was an honest mistake though.

It goes to show that no matter how many posts in, eventually you see the true nature of the poster. I'm confident that I'll never have to threaten anyone on here. This is a place of peace. If I am wrong in anything I am saying, feel free to serve me my notice here, but I think my views on what we, and Avalon are meant to be about is accurate.

Lets honour our past heroes by continuing to let peace permeate, and lets make these changes happen fast by working on our own spiritual development constantly, so that when we are interacting with others, we push this outwards to touch others. It does work, and I've seen people change around me over the last year or two, and its because they's stopped looking for my angle, and realised that I want the best for everyone - please join me!

Slightly off topic here but:
I've been given some amazing gifts (one of my best friends gave me a car that I desperately needed), I was and am so grateful when people are able to help me, but in turn, I know this is because I always help my friends whenever I can (which is all the bloody time haha). Don't get me wrong, it not about material things - its about the gesture, and what it must say about me. I must be on the right path, when all those around me start offering to help me in some amazing ways. Sorry, a bit long, but lately Avalon has lost direction, and I'm hoping to make you feel something that is worth thinking about.

As always, peace to all.

ND

[PurpleLama]

*draws giant circle in the sand, encompasssing all of Avalon*

There is the line. We are all on this side of it.

Much love to all.

[waterlily]

THERE ARE 2 STORIES AND ONE IN BETWEEN, so with that said,lets carry on Avalonians -so let us all rise to the occasion and carry on this Project AVALON without all this fighting and fussing and let us embrace our differences and ride gallantly to fulfill our mission as a team

[Billy]

Namaste one and all.
The game of life and relating with each other continues to play itself out, All the characters and architypes are on the stage playing their chosen role, Mothers, Fathers, Brothers, sisters, Husbands and Wives, sons and daughters, Lovers and Partners, Friends and aquaintances, Each learning the lessons about self while relating with others.

Some are aware of the learning and lessons required for self growth and play their destiny out as planned, Some are not aware of the lessons while relating with others, and are in denial and cannot see the mirror reflections of self while in relationships or that the game even exists, This can allow self to feel insucure, become emotionaly attached to others and they may decide to travel on the "blame others" game by not taking responsibility for their own actions. preventing self growth and the cycle continues until one day there is an awakening to the mystery of "It is my reaction" that is important in this moment that counts.

when another soul sends you a positive loving energy, we can respond by feel humility, thankful, embarassed, and so on. It is when another soul sends out Negative, Blaming or attacking hurtful energy that the true test of how to respond and react, those are the most important lessons to learn in the journey of the soul. How to be emotionaly NON attached to other souls issues and baggage but to still be centred and respond with a compassionate loving knowing of self.

The last few threads brought this song to mind,

Peace be within everyone.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=5znh58WITU8

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by Ruby L. (here)
Witchy1,

Bravo!! A beautifully and brilliantly written post. You are, indeed, as magical as you are wise!

Lord Sidious, the round's on me.

Ok, double Jack Daniels and cola thanks.
No carrot juice for me, someone mentioned poisoned carrots.
That little green communist leprechaun, yoda might still be trying to get revenge.

[Humble Janitor]

I said it before and I'll say it again:

Charles was brought to destroy Avalon. He is our "Nemesis/Nibiru/Planet X".

That's all I have to say. I'm disappointed to go off for a few days only to return to see two long-time members gone.

[ponda]

Lord Sidious said:

I am thinking of using cactus instead.

It has been said that always having a ready supply of cactus on hand is not to be sneezed at

[Humble Janitor]

Posted by Spiralmind (here)
It greatly concerns and angers me that ANYONE has been "asked to leave" a community for any reason. Is this new paradigm we talk so much about going to include actions such as excommunication and ostracism from the 'village' or 'society'. If we want to rise above the current way things are done and be an example of positive change, we need to find ways to work things out. Let's be honest....in ANY community, be it a forum, city, or country there will be conflicts, disagreements, misunderstandings....no one ever said it would be easy. Can we please try to be the change we want and show the world what it means to be "in light".

Thank you.

We as a community cannot allow destructive drama to eat away at the core of Avalon.

If I've offended new members, let me take a moment to apologize for my actions. I am still highly skeptical of Charles and still wondering why I did not get a personal reply as I had hoped.

[GoldenYears]

Thank you Bill for the explanation...Im sorry that things happened the way they did, for all concerned.

Bill....maybe you should have that pint of beer now, that you said you havent had in years...

[Swanny]

Posted by Swami (here)

Posted by Swanny (here)

Posted by Sunny d (here)

Posted by Northern Boy (here)

Posted by SKIBADABOMSKI (here)

To whom is behind all this mess, well I hope your happy with yourselves.

are you blaming Swanny ?

LMAO@northern boy.....! Poor old Swanny

Hey don't blame me I haven't been here for ages


And less of the old

Mwah, still alive Admiral....?
Hows life........?
What about a pint of Thorolian juice.....?
Hows the garden going...?

Got the sack from the GFL for adventures with a crew member
Life's good
Cheers there's a nice bar on Gredron 7 that serves a great pint
Garden started off well but then turned to weeds :/ Looking for an old boy to take it on this year

How things with you?

Are we allowed to hijack this thread??? Opps ;D