Understanding the timescale of Kali Yuga.

[jcocks]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by jcocks (here)

I've read a bit more into the "golden age" of the kali yuga as well..... And it seems as though it'll only come about if we all chant the hare krishna incessantly. That means - yep, you guessed it - relinquishing your power to an outside force that smells suspiciously like the vengeful god of the old testament. No thanks.

what you call the vengeful god of the old testament

is what I call the vanquisher of the wicked


also Krishna willed the Kurukshetra war to destroy the wicked


you just don't appreciate that God has a history of slaying the wicked

why are you wicked hehe

I am reminded of something Jesus once said : "Judge not, lest ye be judged"....

My personal understanding of God is that the godhead is beyond judgement. The godhead is all - it cannot judge. Besides, we're more than capable to judge ourselves. God need not judge. We ourselves know that which is right in our heart of hearts. It is not up to us to judge others, the best we can do is be the best example to others we can be. We can do no better for ourselves or those around us than that.

Oh, and my god doesn't start wars to slay the wicked. Not a very nice way to get rid of them anyway - too much collateral damage.

[jcocks]

Having said all that, I am in awe of the vedic texts, and I find them absolutely amazing in what they describe. I just don't really agree with the Hindu religion. It reminds me too much of christianity - which has a lot of positive points, but seems mostly a method of control of peoples' spirituality more than anything else - and has done more bto hold humanity back than propel it forward into the new world. I guess I'm more of a "truth within" person - believing more in the church of the body and soul and an inner connection with the source. There's no need for internediarys when you seek out the true godhead which can only be known perosnally by one who throws out all preconceptions of what he or she may find.

[Lettherebelight]

The Vedas state that the truth does lie within.

'Chaitya Guru' is the eternal ever-well wishing friend, situated in the heart of every living entity. Like two birds situated on the same tree branch, the Chaitya Guru accompanies the living entity on his sojourn in this material world.

Chaitya Guru, or 'Guru of the Heart', is the voice within. All truth can be found there.

Chaitya Guru is referred to generally as Paramatma, (translated--Supersoul).

'One who sees the Supersoul accompanying the individual soul in all bodies and who understands that neither the soul, nor the Supersoul is ever destroyed, actually sees.'
Bhagavad Gita 13:28

So we truly never do walk alone.

[RedeZra]

Posted by jcocks (here)
Oh, and my god doesn't start wars to slay the wicked. Not a very nice way to get rid of them anyway - too much collateral damage.

I try not to impose my lack of understanding limits and standards unto God

as I know that I don't know it all


the whisper that tries to twist truths is today a shout

therefore I do not dismiss what the ancients wrote

true or not I do not know so I don't deny it

but it's there to read in black n white


also I do not swallow speculations with no root in tradition or history


Oh and I do not stroke my navel to find out what I resonate with ; )

[araucaria]

Someone mentioned the precessional cycle. To bring these astronomical numbers down to a more manageable size, we need to remember that 432000 years is exactly 200 precessional ages. The Age of Pisces etc being 2160 years (the sun coursing through 30° of sky at 1% per 72 years, 72*30=2160). Hence 432000 years corresponds to 6000 degrees.
Since 72 years is roughly a human lifespan, I wonder if there is not some kind of coefficient being applied here for 'divine' beings. Be that as it may, it seems fairly clear that this particular human civilization at least has reached the end of a cycle of some sort.

[RedeZra]

Someone mentioned someone mentioning the precessional cycle ; )


how interesting is this


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Year

the exact duration of the precessional cycle cannot be given as the rate of precession is changing over time. At today's speed it would take 25,765 years for one cycle to complete but the precessional speed is slightly increasing each year, and therefore the cycle period is decreasing

perhaps 24 000 years as mentioned by Yukteswar is the time it takes to complete a Great Year or Grand Yuga


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holy_Science

The sun also has another motion by which it revolves round a grand center called Bishnunavi which is the seat of the creative power Brahma, the universal magnetism. Brahma regulates Dharma the mental virtues of the internal world. When the sun in its revolution round its dual come to the place nearest to this grand center the seat of Brahma (an event which takes place when the autumnal equinox comes to the first point of Aries) Dharma the mental virtue becomes so much developed that man can easily comprehend all, even the mysteries of Spirit. - Sri Yukteswar

Note - 'an event which takes place when the autumnal equinox comes to the first point of Aries' is a complete precessional cycle or a Great Year which according to Yukteswar takes 24 000 years



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Year

The Greeks broke the Great Year into four ages known as the Golden, Silver, Bronze, and Iron Ages,which add to one half of a precessional cycle.

The Indian Great Year cycle Yugas is also broken into four periods; the Satya, Treta, Dvapara, and Kali yugas, and also add to one half a precessional cycle,

In his book, The Holy Science, first published in 1894 as Kaivalya Darsanam, Yukteswar describes the Great Year as a period of time wherein the earth goes through a "complete change, both externally in the material world, and internally in the intellectual or electric world" with four rising ages and four descending ages, equal in length to one complete precession of the equinox.

According to Giorgio de Santillana, the late Professor of the History and Philosophy of Science at M.I.T and Hertha von Dechend, in their book Hamlet's Mill, published in 1969 by Gambit, there are over 200 myths or folk stories from over thirty ancient cultures that refer to a Great Year tied to the movement of the equinox or the motion of the heavens.

Spot what modern science has done ?

Science has included the terms 'The Iron Age' and 'The Bronze Age' but it has substituted both 'The Silver Age' and 'The Golden Age' with 'A Stone Age' !!

[jcocks]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Science has included the terms 'The Iron Age' and 'The Bronze Age' but it has substituted both 'The Silver Age' and 'The Golden Age' with 'A Stone Age' !![/I]

Naughty boys. But it figures, ever the type to obscure the truth beyond all recognition to all but those who truly seek it. One day it will become "in your face" tho, one day soon... and then the fun REALLY begins

[kfm27917]

https://asiatimes.com/2023/04/how-th...e-system-ends/