The Vampire Elite and the New World Order

[str8thinker]

because they are NOT reptiles and it gives the wrong impression ... they are narcissistic mad MEN/WOMEN

Vampires aren't narcissistic either, so that further excludes vampires from the comparison. I did say "reptilians", not "reptiles", though this might be considered splitting hairs. Well then, with what other unattractive animal should we compare these PEOPLE? It might be interesting at this point to conjecture why neither David Icke nor Russell Pine (aka Jordan Maxwell) ever relayed anecdotes about British MPs shapeshifting into hyenas (though that might seem equally appropriate) or Credo Mutwa ever observed lions or rhinos emanating from pentacles or holes in the ground. Nope. Something scaly this way comes.

[Wub]

OK, lets be aware that there's ad hominem being played here. Ad hominem is when you attack the person rather than discuss the message. Its very common, particularly in politics and mainstream media reporting and has given rise to such tacky 'bread and circus', offerings to the 'plebs', as Big Brother (reality tv show) and similar.
An ad hominem is particularly effective in creating a reactive rather than a responsive outcome. Hmmmmmm.

[str8thinker]

The message at the beginning of this thread seems to be

I would maintain this opposition to necessary change is due to an overly entrenched “vampire” elite that has stifled the economic and political institutions it commands from finding remedial solutions.

Leave out "vampire" and it immediately makes better sense IMO. That's all. Nothing ad hominem here.

Since both Horak and Torz insist on calling them PEOPLE, no animal epithets seem necessary.

OK, in that case we seem to need something else to convey the difference between them and warm, loving humans like you and me.

I rather like Dale's choice - DRACS.

[OnyxKnight]

Posted by torzbc (here)
I never said ET did not not exist... Nor EBEs....

'Reptilians'/'Reptoids' are just that - ETs.

[torzbc]

Posted by Wub (here)
OK, lets be aware that there's ad hominem being played here. Ad hominem is when you attack the person rather than discuss the message. Its very common, particularly in politics and mainstream media reporting and has given rise to such tacky 'bread and circus', offerings to the 'plebs', as Big Brother (reality tv show) and similar.
An ad hominem is particularly effective in creating a reactive rather than a responsive outcome. Hmmmmmm.

That's what they get paid for.....

[OnyxKnight]

Still broke here ...

[chelmostef]

Seems silly a address such simplicitys as the title. I for one think Vampire is quite a good word to address these people(if you can call them that, I like less than human.

If some are not happy with that, leaches may be.

I like the term vampire... After all they are creatures of the night who suck and coerce much like these Elite

[chelmostef]

Posted by Wub (here)
OK, lets be aware that there's ad hominem being played here. Ad hominem is when you attack the person rather than discuss the message. Its very common, particularly in politics and mainstream media reporting and has given rise to such tacky 'bread and circus', offerings to the 'plebs', as Big Brother (reality tv show) and similar.
An ad hominem is particularly effective in creating a reactive rather than a responsive outcome. Hmmmmmm.

You know what else, its very annoying! Intentionally or not.

Some are here to learn... You know its a bit like at school when the teacher is trying to tell you something interesting and he keeps stopping just deal with stupid comments about "why can't I whistle, its a free world" And the rest don't get to find out what the teacher had to say..

Im off to page 2 and perhaps I can catch up

[aikisaw]

Posted by James Horak (here)
Intraphase, Dogville is a tale of man's brutalization of man. As well, it serves to parallel the model of just how this process serves manipulation all the way from the top of the pyramid on down.
All the way up and down this pyramid are steps made of myth, false analogy, logical fallacy. At the very bottom are false materialistic values. The plight of the young lady is the example of fine mind and values ultimately subverted by outrage. It is a warning and an absolute outcry to the need for direction or moral core to everything we as humans do. The young lady has nothing between her and both extremes of the pyramid. In her final polarization is the focus of where "Charles" wants to take all those not better advised, with the wisdom needed not to fall into such traps. This historically has been the vicious cycle caused by the less discerning aspects of split consciousness and what takes the liberator to become the monster. JCH

It would seem to me that we need to address this split consciousness. It seems to be a trap. You are in a loop of your own thoughts. Depending how many times your consciousness is split you will be pulled in different directions fracturing your sustained intent. Given the above description of Dogville, it shows a duality good/bad. The duality strips you of the ability to focus energies to what you want to happen.

James Horak Said

Humanity here is able to have unified consciousness until it is murdered by the practice of teaching the child to dissemble just to be acceptable and when the inconsistencies shown between expectation and practice cause their own process of disassociation to be bestowed

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Darla Ken Jensen Pierce explained in a great post in this thread (linked below) what is is like to live with a unified mind in the physical realm. Where her actions and how she chose to live her life are in alignment to what she believes.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post161553


How do we heal/ fix the split consciousness?

I am not well versed in the other dimensional areas that are spoken of here.

My question is this, are we trying to defeat the vampires in the physical realm? Here and now.

Or is a are we trying to overcome them with higher consciousness from other dimensions? If so how will I know it is working.

I'm sure I'm missing something here so please feel free to fill in the gaps.

[mrmalco]

IMO
The main 'locking device' that disallows naturally adaptive evolution is the subjective structure that is precisely formed by reference to the past. We all have it. Millions of humans, all of whom to a greater or lesser degree, are registering all experience according to the past (and usually the painful past - which lays down the strongest conditioning) pretty well guarantees inertial stolidity. It takes a new major inspiration to get a new thing going. One can read history across an honest assessment of ones own subjective process (multiplied by a zillion). Then of course there's all the spoilers deliberately making matters worse ...

[str8thinker]

Leaving terminology aside, James Horak's theme can be summarized as follows:

In determining why civilizations fall, more important than failed economy or agriculture is the question of what prevented those societies from foreseeing and implementing the necessary changes, instead continuing to repeat their counter-productive patterns.

Basically you assert that an entrenched elite is to blame for this by stifling the development and implementation of remedial solutions by the economic and political institutions it commands. And you would like us to discuss this intelligently, or else leave this thread alone if we cannot see that far? What do you take us for?

Well, to begin with, this scenario seems a bit too simplistic. Inability to predict the vicissitudes of economic or agricultural conditions can easily overrule any machinations by an elite group, as the demise of early Mesopotamian cultures reveals. Second, invasion by external, stronger neighbours is excluded by your definition.

For "opposition to change" to be realistic, we require a stable, unthreatened society to be governed by an elite bent on stifling innovation and positive feedback. How realistic is this, and to what end? This state of affairs can only be temporary as it is an unstable equilibrium. What you omitted in your preamble was the really important issue - how aware is that society that their elected or hereditary rulers are opposed to change?

Happily, we can resolve this into a simple matter of conflicting agendas - that of the population and that of its rulers, be they human or alien. If alien, that just makes it a bit more difficult for the rest of the humans. The population expects an ordered pyramid of command where the democratically elected governors perform the task for which they were elected.

Your initial conditions appear to assume that all civilizations are governed by an "entrenched elite", which is far from the case, viz. some Pacific island nations that are well-governed, happy and stable. The very word "elite" is divisive, meaning "apart from the rest".

Stifling change seems a slow and fairly useless tool if the aim of using it is to cause a civilization to fall. It is not really a cause but an effect of underlying forces at work. Thus I cannot agree with your premise that enforcement of the status quo by an entrenched elite is a cause, let alone the main cause, of the decline of a civilization. Rome was not built in a day, nor was it ordered to decay.

[ulli]

The evidence is out there that innovations are being stifled, now more than ever.
Health and energy being the most important fields.
And its easy to see why, one just has to look at the potential these innovations
would mean for rapid change in society.
And it is rapid change that some of the elite fears most as then they would be challenged to adapt to this change
faster than they are perhaps able to.
The arrival of the Internet has already damaged their power base
as many of these geopolitical decision makers would due to their advanced age
not have had the whizziness of the young generation.

But perhaps we need to define who really occupies the top of the pyramid.
Friendly aliens, hostile aliens, evil spirit entities, good spirits, or just an old boys club,
be they members of the industrial, military, banking or public sectors.

[ulli]

Someone just expressed confusion about what has been happening here. They wrote to my Inbox. So I did one of my condensed
summaries, in case anyone else would like to read it.
"

as Bill had mentioned already, this forum is like a miniature world, and as such it is like life itself.
There was a prediction (via Charles) of a nuclear war.
By provocation. First they (Charles former bosses) provoke Iran into a reaction, then China.
There will be worldwide chaos afterwards.
They want to decimate areas of overpopulation so that there is a reduced number of people left,
a number they consider more manageable.

After that comes the BIG disaster (poleshift, asteroid, whatever their seers have prophesied),
and during that time they will be in their bunkers or space stations or
whatever survival environment they have been preparing.
There is evidence of those underground places having been prepared also.

Maybe what has happened is that we here just experienced this horrible scenario in miniature, and are suffering the effects of the fall-out. Have to heal the victims now."

[jjl]

it's just a guess but most of have already been victims. I offer my friendship to any who will take my extended hand...jj

[chelmostef]

Posted by ulli (here)
There was a prediction (via Charles) of a nuclear war.

It was my understanding that Charles stated in the video that there would be no nuclear war...As a Pandemic or false flag was far more productive...

(Apologies for off topic ness)

[ulli]

Posted by chelmostef (here)

Posted by ulli (here)
There was a prediction (via Charles) of a nuclear war.

It was my understanding that Charles stated in the video that there would be no nuclear war...As a Pandemic or false flag was far more productive...

(Apologies for off topic ness)

'

The false flag refers to an evil alien invasion.

The sequence of the events planned are
1) limited nuclear exchange in the middle east
2) out of fear people demand governmental controls of travel
3) introducing a population-reducing virus into China
4) world catastrophe
5) New World Order controlled by the Anglo Saxon Mission founders

all planned according to the manifesto on the Georgia Guidestones
check out photo here http://www.greatdreams.com/food/food-depopulation.html

[ulli]

Posted by mrmalco (here)
IMO
The main 'locking device' that disallows naturally adaptive evolution is the subjective structure that is precisely formed by reference to the past. We all have it. Millions of humans, all of whom to a greater or lesser degree, are registering all experience according to the past (and usually the painful past - which lays down the strongest conditioning) pretty well guarantees inertial stolidity. It takes a new major inspiration to get a new thing going. One can read history across an honest assessment of ones own subjective process (multiplied by a zillion). Then of course there's all the spoilers deliberately making matters worse ...

Thank you! That is so true. To understand anything new and receive it we need to empty the cup of the old.
IOW, bring an open mind to the table/forum.

Maybe that is the only purpose of recording history. So we can learn from old mistakes.
The only reality is in the NOW.

It is here where we can determine whether there will be a catastrophe or not.
The human mind has the powers to change climate, redirect incoming asteroids and prevent a pole shift,
or on the other hand, to allow it but slow it down enough to minimize damage to the population.

[ulli]

Posted by torzbc (here)

Posted by Wub (here)
OK, lets be aware that there's ad hominem being played here. Ad hominem is when you attack the person rather than discuss the message. Its very common, particularly in politics and mainstream media reporting and has given rise to such tacky 'bread and circus', offerings to the 'plebs', as Big Brother (reality tv show) and similar.
An ad hominem is particularly effective in creating a reactive rather than a responsive outcome. Hmmmmmm.

That's what they get paid for.....

I believe that, too, having watched the Internet for over 15 years. The early whistle blowers posted their stories, anonymously, without counter attacks, and caused fear and panic in the ranks of the elite, just like wikileaks is now doing on a much larger scale.
No one likes their private material to get out until they consider the time is right.
And since the Internet was here to stay the only way they could control the flow of leaks was by planting people, salaried, on forums where whistle blower material was being discussed.
This was how the elite responded to the leaks of retired Naval Commanders, or any other carrier of secrets that were not ripe for disclosure.
It's been going on for the longest time.

I'm not defending the controllers out there, nor do I endorse plans like the one Charles has leaked out.
What I am saying is that where there is control, there are mechanisms to maintain that control.

The way reality is set up, for every measure there is a counter measure, and knowing what the ultimate outcome will be is beyond both sides.
Spirit rules.

[chelmostef]

Yes, fascinating read so far, thank you james and the other writers.

[James Horak]

Quite astute, Mrmalco. Yes, that cultural reminisce leads to being the handle for mind control to exploit in the form of the "centering" mechanism. It breeds an interference to progression of thought in the form of ambivalence, systemic ambivalence. The issue deriving, however, is if the unique stress imposed upon the split consciousness might ultimately lead to a certain unique robustness eventually surviving to speciate something so intensely wondrous, both new and leading to higher possibility. This is an incredible theater opportunity for those watching. JCH