9/11 - WTC: New Eyewitness Video

[Tintin]

Posted by Mark (Star Mariner) (here)
Thanks for the link. Pretty certain I've seen that doc before, as I'm certain I've seen the Wolfgang Staehle images before (at some point I must have). It's a long time, 23 years, and when you've read, watched, and listened to the amount of 9/11 content we have - certainly a lot of us - it's easy to forget one or two things you may not have seen for a while.

No worries. Easily done

For anyone interested in watching this my librarian index notes for this read as follows:

"Director: Erik Nelson
Duration: 01:29:57

Taking an hour-by-hour look at the lives of many who worked at the Twin Towers and those who loved them creates as unique a perspective on things as the view from the 107th floor of Tower 1, at the iconic restaurant Windows on the World. September 10, 2001 was a typical Monday in New York. It began to rain and the local television news shows spent a lot of time on the usual traffic and weather reports that make up much of local coverage. People were commuting to work from early morning through the evening. On September 10, 2001, New York City voters were going to the polls to elect mayoral candidates and THE FINAL HOURS spends some time with Mark Green, who was believed by many to have the best chance of becoming the city’s next mayor. Also on that Monday, then-mayor Rudy Giuliani and the NYFD chaplain, Father Mychal Judge attended a ribbon cutting ceremony at a local firehouse and spoke to the assembled firefighters about their jobs as a calling to something that had a higher purpose.

Most poignant of all are the stories of two men, George Delgado, who worked at Windows On the World and who opens the program with a mixology demonstration, and Harley DiNardo, a musician and filmmaker whose sister was a top day trader at Cantor Fitzgerald, the firm that lost more than 600 employees when the first tower fell. Their stories of how they spent the evening prior to the attacks is one we can all relate to. One was plagued by car trouble that made him think he might have to stay overnight at work. The other described a birthday celebration at the restaurant, the bill for which was found in his sister’s wallet that survived the building collapse."

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Concerning Staehle, and Naudet brothers:

Just to truly cement that the stills shown in your post from Staehle do indeed mirror what the Naudets appear to have filmed, for my own satisfaction I'm trying to ensure that, as best as possible they can be 'matched up'. Filmed/photographed from totally different vantage points of course. It's a me thing I'm simply highly suspicious of most 'official' film-footage released at the time, and after the event that have appeared in different documentaries over the years, that have been meddled with in some way, as well as other unofficial editions that have also been meddled with, and some not.

I think they do tie up okay, but I do just want to be sure.

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Anybody else interested in doing so as far as the Naudet footage is concerned can use 0:42 from this film which is the footage with which we are all most familiar:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=s15DMS3o5MI

...and then use this July 2022 Google map street view to get a very good approximation of where they were, absent the towers of course..

and then having a close look at the Staehle shot for a (kind of) comparison. The good news is that at least the 'plane shaped object' captured here appears to be heading toward the correct side of WTC1. That was a momentary niggler.

A small point but perhaps a little too pedantic maybe: we never see the plane in Staehle's still shot impact the building - we simply do see a building smoking and appearing to have exploded.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Yes, unfortunately the approx. 5 second gap between frames missed the actual impact. But we have enough I think to confirm what we're seeing is legit.

The shapes of the explosions match up -- though, the Naudet footage has a higher contrast, and the angle in relation to the sun is different.

comparison of the initial explosion


My position also is (or was, soon after the event) to be suspicious of the footage that day. But in 23 years, none have been adequately debunked. No sign of tampering, no sign of CGI, and no whistleblowers have come forward to claim that any of the now well-known video sequences are fraudulent. If any were, I would expect someone, somewhere, to do that by now (long before now).

I strongly believe what we see happen in these clips are accurate recordings of what happened. As far as the visual record is concerned, nothing conclusive or even very compelling has ever emerged to challenge their authenticity.

The only exception is the Pentagon impact footage, if you can even call it that. That is suspect for sure. Consider for a start where it came from: the Pentagon. Not an outside source, like CCTV from the highway, or a media outlet, or member of the public. But the Pentagon.

I believe claims of 'fake footage', centred on New York, is a counter-intelligence ploy, a psyop to have us searching for things which aren't there. It detracts from the one piece of footage that is genuinely problematic -- the (supposed) impact of Flight 77 into the Pentagon. As far as conspiracies are concerned, the WTC impacts hog the spotlight, and get far more coverage than the Pentagon.

[Denise/Dizi]

There was some talk back in the day about a light marker showing up just prior to the first plane impact.. Before the plane actually made contact ith the tower, and I could see this in the second tower video as well.. Did anyone ever figure out what that was?