The World Before our Own

[Jim_Duyer]

How many times have we heard rumors from ancient scholars concerning a civilization, or actually several in consecutive order, that arose and then fell, prior to the populating and building of the planet as we know it today? Nearly all of the top scholars during the past two millennium have commented on it. Atlantis, one of those posited civilizations, has had hundreds of speculative books written on it, and there are others such as Antarctica, Mu, Lemuria, the lands under our earth, etc.

What if I told you that the Bible speaks of this as well? Not in some creepy mathematical acrostics formula, or using Kabbalistic magic, but in plain language, preserved for the ages?

The majority of scholarship is firmly planted in the idea that the Bible was assembled from the oral histories of several Hebrew groups of scholars. One they refer to as Yahwist [from Yahweh], for example, because it employs that name in a great many verses. Another they call the Priestly group, and their favorite word for God is El. Yes, I am aware of the fact that recent Biblical scholars have called this multiple authorship theory into question, but after examining their "evidence" I find it weak.

Based on this and on word choices, the majority of traditional scholars believe that the first version of the Creation event, the one found in Genesis 1, was the product of one group, and the second version of Creation, found in Genesis 2 and beyond, another group. Each insisted on their version making the book, and so both were added. It makes for some confusion, and probably has led to the loss of a few believers over the centuries, but it's probably better to be safe and include both inspired versions.

Genesis 1 is said to be in a form of ancient Hebrew as the underlying language, and I have no problem with it as it stands, no comments to make concerning it, and no input to add in respect to the version that you are most familiar with. I am not set on attempting to modify or change any belief or belief system here. The verses that you are familiar with are equally true, in my opinion.

I would, however, like to comment on one aspect of the work. If you accept that whole books, such as Daniel and Ezra, were written in Aramaic as the underlying language, and that parts of others such as Jeremiah and Job are also heavy with Aramaic words and phrases, then we should at least examine Genesis 1 for this same structure.

I therefore re-translated Genesis 1, verses 1-3 into Aramaic, to see what it might provide for us. Again, this is not designed to supplant what you have in your family Bible, but as additional information to examine and contemplate at your leisure. Since it translates, letter for letter, without requiring any additions or subtractions, and since each of these characters form into complete words that are found in the Aramaic dictionary, it seems that perhaps one group of scribes was determined to include their own, quite different, version of those early events.

Who was this group? Was it a renegade faction of another scribal group or perhaps a minority opinion that arose out of one of the traditional groups? The survivors of one of those civilizations that managed to disappear? I do not believe that we can ever know, unless further verses announce their identity. I for one will not be going further down this path - I did it for a friend who asked for this and I have completed it and gone back to my other works.

But I leave it here for you, and for time. I find it something that we can at least consider, if only to determine how much of it we might accept or reject. And so here it is:

As a preamble I would like to speak about Tohu [thw] and Bohuw [bhw], translated by the King James group as without form and void. In contrast to the KJV, we have Strong's, Gesenius and other commentators who tell us that the word actually means "waste, a wasted place".

Now, a wasted place is not the same as one without form. The meaning of being without form seems to speak of something that is like clay awaiting a potters hand; in an unfinished state or one that has not been worked on. Whereas wasted place speaks more of a fully formed and functional item that has since been destroyed, or rendered into a ruin.

The Hebrew characters used to write those terms have in origin in the Akkadian, and then Aramaic languages. Rather than "without form", tohu means, in Aramaic, "regret, remorse for your past conduct'. The characters that are defined in the Aramaic dictionary are 'thw', the same as in the Hebrew text of the Bible [taw hey waw]. Not different words at all.

And in the Aramaic, the same characters of bhw as used in the Hebrew texts, make up the word bohu as well, but it is defined as "to be confused, in a chaotic state" and it is also related to a theme of "desolation". And again, a chaotic state, perhaps following this desolation, arises when there are people to experience it. You can't describe a "void" or "uninhabited" world and then speak of the survivors as suffering in chaos from that destruction. So that's when I decided to take a look at the rest of the first three verses, after defining just those two words for my friend.

Here is the page in the peer-reviewed Aramaic Dictionary that defines thw or what they chose to define as "without form": https://cal.huc.edu/oneentry.php?lemma=thw N&cits=all

And here is the page that defines bhbh, which is a doubling, quite common in Hebrew as well, of a phrase in order to provide emphasis to it. The w ending on the bhw is defined as and, also, even, too, in both Hebrew and Aramaic.
https://cal.huc.edu/oneentry.php?lem...h%20V&cits=all

I don't wish to be thought to be "making this up", so please check at your leisure.


Here are the first three verses of Genesis, but with its Aramaic based definitions.
Please give this some thought and let me have your input.

I have tried to keep this translation as close to what was written as possible, without smoothing it out or massaging it to meet some idea of what I personally believe that the author was stating, so as to leave it unmodified. Because of this, the prose is not as beautiful as I could make it, but here it is:



Genesis 1:1
To clear and make healthy the thorny grounds, the wild, undomesticated animals
and the family; the tribe of the mother of humans, from an ominous condition.
A monstrosity that existed shortly before this time. The poisoned destruction and
the physical marks, which are also on the lands.

Genesis 1:2
And these lands which, because of this, regret and express remorse for some wrong
done, as well as destruction and chaos. El (God) is that one; the origin of the movement through time and location. [God began our timeline and set everything in motion.] He smoothed and leveled off the piles, like a piece of bread.
El (God) cleared it out, changed it back, healed it, returned it to be used again,
to make it complete, and without troubles. And also the seas, rivers and lakes.



Genesis 1:3
And in respect to this, to be thought of and declared El (God), that one; the origin of
the movement through time and location.
To provide necessities, to entrust, to raise the voice and pronounce him blessed - Yea!
The light, the one who watches over; the fist [to vanquish our enemies];
and to permit, to allow, to be subject to and to give oneself over to him, Yea!
The light who watches over.


I really like the part where the author says that God is the origin of the movement through time and space. (or time and location as he puts it).

Smoothing over the ruins, making everything healthy again, giving the people his trust and watchful care - to me all of this sounds as if some disaster or apocalypse, perhaps much like the Flood that is described later, but in this case with some selected group that he rescues to jump-start everything all over again. Or the result of some energy weapon.

How many times has this happened? Will it happen again, and if so, when?
Other Books, other verses, tell us that it will happen again, and I have mentioned this previously so I won't bang that drum again.

[HopSan]

Posted by Jim_Duyer (here)
How many times have we heard rumors from ancient scholars concerning a civilization, or actually several in consecutive order, that arose and then fell, prior to the populating and building of the planet as we know it today? Nearly all of the top scholars during the past two millennium have commented on it. Atlantis, one of those posited civilizations, has had hundreds of speculative books written on it, and there are others such as Antarctica, Mu, Lemuria, the lands under our earth, etc.

...

How many times has this happened? Will it happen again, and if so, when?
Other Books, other verses, tell us that it will happen again, and I have mentioned this previously so I won't bang that drum again.

Thanks Jim,

Just a few hours ago I considered posting something near to this.
Rough sketch of my thought:

I have inherited some wooden tools from around 1940's.
Agrarian life, how to handle grain or milk.
Real things, I have seen the people and places as a young boy.

BUT!

If the time scales of 'normal' changes are in hundreds and thousands of years...

How is it possible that my everyday thinking, understanding, and living an ordinary day would be completely alien to anyone from 1940's?

Thousands of years, very little happened, and now, in my life time, more than in 10 000 years?

Hmm.

Are we a crop, suddenly nearly ripe?

[HopSan]

Posted by HopSan (here)
Thousands of years, very little happened, and now, in my life time, more than in 10 000 years?

Hmm.

Are we a crop, suddenly nearly ripe?

Important to add, for materialists hopeful:

This is not a sign that Singularity, or AI is happening, or near, or nearer.

Rather: If I am part of crop, could not be sooner.

[Jim_Duyer]

Posted by HopSan (here)

Posted by Jim_Duyer (here)
How many times have we heard rumors from ancient scholars concerning a civilization, or actually several in consecutive order, that arose and then fell, prior to the populating and building of the planet as we know it today? Nearly all of the top scholars during the past two millennium have commented on it. Atlantis, one of those posited civilizations, has had hundreds of speculative books written on it, and there are others such as Antarctica, Mu, Lemuria, the lands under our earth, etc.

...

How many times has this happened? Will it happen again, and if so, when?
Other Books, other verses, tell us that it will happen again, and I have mentioned this previously so I won't bang that drum again.

Thanks Jim,

Just a few hours ago I considered posting something near to this.
Rough sketch of my thought:

I have inherited some wooden tools from around 1940's.
Agrarian life, how to handle grain or milk.
Real things, I have seen the people and places as a young boy.

BUT!

If the time scales of 'normal' changes are in hundreds and thousands of years...

How is it possible that my everyday thinking, understanding, and living an ordinary day would be completely alien to anyone from 1940's?

Thousands of years, very little happened, and now, in my life time, more than in 10 000 years?

Hmm.

Are we a crop, suddenly nearly ripe?

Yes, I recall my Uncle passing away and leaving me some of his tools to work wood - all by hand, and all were built to last heavy usage for many generations. Sad we lost the appreciation for quality that we once had.

Yes, we're a crop, I believe. From everything that I have researched, and every language that I have looked at, it becomes very clear that our present species was planted on this planet sometime in the past 200,000 or less years ago. From a group of five or six places of origin, all in the same quadrant of space near the star Vega. We were to have lived together, and melded and blended, until we became one people with one language. Some of those who were tasked to help us get started in our new home decided to make of themselves gods, small g types, and they split us up. Think of how we would have little or no problems today if we all looked somewhat similar and spoke one language?

[Antagenet]

"Think of how we would have little or no problems today if we all looked somewhat similar and spoke one language?"

Gee if the new world order gets it's plan installed we all may live to find out.
Except that to me that looks like a living hell. No more diversity, no more individuality, no more creativity.

[Jim_Duyer]

Posted by Antagenet (here)
"Think of how we would have little or no problems today if we all looked somewhat similar and spoke one language?"

Gee if the new world order gets it's plan installed we all may live to find out.
Except that to me that looks like a living hell. No more diversity, no more individuality, no more creativity.

This is me, slowly placing my kum-ba-ya guitar on the ground and walking away.

Sometimes I make bonehead comments without thinking them through. Actually, it is the diversity that makes us interesting, and so you are correct. The only advantage from living next to each other would be from the famous saying - you can't truly hate someone/something that you truly understand. But even that idea should probably have stayed on the desk of the author.

I read everything that I could find that has been written on the topic of heaven. Out of curiosity, since I don't have that ticket. But we will no longer inhabit our earthly bodies, there will be no war or famine and no fear or strife. So basically, our brains or thoughts will be inside of some android shell. We won't recognize our relatives either - is what it says - which flies in the face of the commonly held idea that we will be reunited with our loved ones. All we will do for activity, 24/7, is to sing hymns of praise.
I pass on that as well.

Thanks for the jump start. Jim

[HopSan]

Posted by Jim_Duyer (here)

Posted by Antagenet (here)
"Think of how we would have little or no problems today if we all looked somewhat similar and spoke one language?"

Gee if the new world order gets it's plan installed we all may live to find out.
Except that to me that looks like a living hell. No more diversity, no more individuality, no more creativity.

This is me, slowly placing my kum-ba-ya guitar

I also was a long time ago a dedicated Kumbaya fellow.

The problem is that we cannot understand that
most people in this planet are not at all like us.

The main races are really, and deeply different.
Not good or bad -- different.

Our motives, values, loyalties, targets, goals...
Are completely different.

The 'crop'-idea does seem to be common and synchronized with white and yellow races.

Whites were a bit ahead, stalled, and now yellow folks are in the same point.

[Ratszinger]

The world before our own. Sometimes the world before is closer to home than we realize.
The history of the American Hone Company and a man made sharpening stone they once made is a fine example.

The Story goes like this. (Forgive the length but it is worth reading.) This is a true story based on the facts as I recieved them from an employee of the company.

There was a company out of Olean, New York called the American Hone Company. Sometime in the early 1900s a man named Merle Johnson bought the company and moved it to Moravia Iowa shortly thereafter.

The company Merle bought made honing stones for sharpening knives, scissors, and anything else that had an edge on it. Once Merle settled in Iowa he hired employees to run his new company. One of these employees was named Louis Hiatt. Her job was to make and bake the sharpening stones using the recipes that Merle Johnson bought with the company. Louis was very clever but at this time she had the added benefit of being able to contact the original owners to refine the techniques for baking these stones when and if she had an issue using the various ingredients of each differing recipe. If something didn't work right she could easily correct it back then.

Of all the various stones American Hone Co. made, the most famous stone was called 00 Frictionite. Barber shops and beauty salons all over the world began buying them because they simply worked better than anything else available. Perhaps the biggest customers for these stones were lumberjacks who used them to sharpen their axe heads for competitions. (and still do today if they are lucky enough to have one or several as I understand they buy all they find when they stumble on them.)

These stones could be used with water or oil, or they could be used dry. In the industry these stones were referred to as 'hot hones' because they were actually baked to manufacture them using natural ingredients in the form of grit powders from various stones and silica from all over the United States.

Some of the other more famous sharpening instruments were the Sportsmans stick called 'cold hones' because they were not baked but manufactured in a press much as the hot hones were only no baking was needed. Louis saw to it that these stones were made too. These little stones were a hit with fisherman and knife enthusiasts all over the country because they worked so well at sharpening knives, fish hooks, arrows, darts and virtually any other edged instruments carried and used by sportsman of the day.

Then one Christmas morning not too long ago Louis Hiatt was found dead in her home. And although all the recipes to make these sharpening stones survived her no one has ever been able to make them work. No one knows how she got the dissimilar materials to bind together and set. This happened in our lifetime! Many people have tried to figure out the recipe and failed. It soon became apparent to all who knew Louis that the craft of making these stones died with her on that Christmas day. At this time there are no more of the 00 Frictionite stones or 'hot hones' left for sale new from American Hone Company. All of the other courser grit stones but less popular stones that were of the 'hot hone' variety have also been sold out.

If you run across a sharpening stone one day that maybe has a little velvet green cloth pouch and says somewhere on the end 00 Frictionite Moravia Iowa. Buy it! If they have more than one buy them all. I would! And I'll go one further. I'll take what you don't want.

I imagine the Inca caused something similar in lost stone work knowledge when they overtook a pre Incan culture responsible for most of the megaliths and fantastically brilliant irrigation systems that created micro climate control over a 30 acre surface area. These people were doing this before the Inca arrived and after the Inca the previous cultures was all but gone with their knowledge and their skilset, both missing from the geographic record since. Slowly as the people were displaced and weakened by climate change and drought and being enslaved they and all they knew vanished..

[Jim_Duyer]

What a wonderful piece of our history - thank you for sharing that.
I will certainly keep my eyes open for one of those. Perhaps. Perhaps.

I published my translation of the Aramaic in Genesis 1:1-3 for a purpose. Too many have become dogmatic in their insistence that humanity is only some 6-10,000 years old, based on a loose interpretation of what is not written in the Bible by an Archbishop who lived before Darwin was born.

And that idea of a young humanity opens up criticism from those who know better, based on scientific evidence. So how do we reconcile this dilemma?

By showing that it was the Hebrew tribes that are only 6,000 or so years old, that their book was written by them, for them and about them, and not about any tribes but theirs unless they happened to battle them, and that since ours is not the first time that things got straightened out and we were able to flourish again, that there really is nothing to argue about - we can all be right.

[Abondance]

A case to follow and a documentary to come...

On the trail of Yahweh in Sardinia.
Mauro Biglino and Prof. Matteo Corrias continue the exploration of the nuragic culture and the remains of the island of Sardinia.

Did the worship of Yahweh go beyond the borders of Israel to spread further into the Mediterranean?

This is what the two researchers think.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Rti2Xe2pelY

[Abondance]

Still on the trail of the presence of the cult of the jealous god of Israel in Sardinia (and elsewhere in the Mediterranean), the two researchers Mauro Biglino and Matteo Corrias already gives us elements in this discussion.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=WYUYFpyX-XU

[Irminsül]

Hello Jim! Your work on linguistic research is very interesting. The verses you translated provide a somewhat different connotation from their original version, and poetically they are very beautiful. The Bible contains numerous secrets that are still yet to be unveiled. Years ago, I downloaded a doctoral thesis from the Complutense University of Madrid about the book of Proverbs. Much of its content comes from the wisdom of the Egyptian people and the Sumerian, Babylonian, etc.
I’m sharing a page that analyzes the direct translation from Hebrew of the Bible:

http://qbible.com/

Personally, I have been studying certain terms related to spiritual hierarchies that appear in this sacred book for some time. I am particularly interested in the encounter that the prophet Ezekiel had with a being (or beings) from another realm. I have made drawings about it.

[Jim_Duyer]

Posted by Irminsül (here)
Hello Jim! Your work on linguistic research is very interesting. The verses you translated provide a somewhat different connotation from their original version, and poetically they are very beautiful. The Bible contains numerous secrets that are still yet to be unveiled. Years ago, I downloaded a doctoral thesis from the Complutense University of Madrid about the book of Proverbs. Much of its content comes from the wisdom of the Egyptian people and the Sumerian, Babylonian, etc.
I’m sharing a page that analyzes the direct translation from Hebrew of the Bible:

http://qbible.com/

Personally, I have been studying certain terms related to spiritual hierarchies that appear in this sacred book for some time. I am particularly interested in the encounter that the prophet Ezekiel had with a being (or beings) from another realm. I have made drawings about it.

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Thanks for your nice comments.

Wonderful drawings - I salute your talent (which I lack). I am especially impressed by your characters handwritten of Hebrew - clear and easy to make out - unlike many others, especially those such as Rembrandt and our older artists, and even William Blake to some extent - all are normally difficult to navigate. Yours I could translate right away - although I have not had the time yet, I will. I did notice, with a sense of happiness of purpose, your use of aleph lamed in the star or sun above the first drawing.

Most scholars don't mention it, but EL was more the God of the northern tribes of Israel and Yahweh of the southern tribes near Judah. El was also the first name, the one used until Moses, for the Creator. After Moses, and the influx of the Kennites (Cainites, sons of Cain tribes), Yahweh became the name used most often.

I find the ancient words entertaining - I have nearly completed the book that I have been working on for several years. Translations were from Sumerian, Ugaritic, Aramaic and ancient Hebrew, along with Old South Arabic - quite a challenge.
But one part of Ezra struck me as funny. He was describing how the advisors to the King of Assyria were learned and yet dull in imagination. He did give them credit for some translations that they had done, but then he cautions that praise with "even she-asses can speak", a reference to Balaam as you may know.

Good luck in your endeavors. Jim

[Jim_Duyer]

Here's a bit of serendipity -
Abondance shared with us the information about Yahweh being found in islands outside of Israel, such as Sardinia.

Irminsül furnishes his personal drawings, which in one panel features Aleph Lamed Hey Yud Mem. Many would link that to an alternate way of writing Elohim, however, the translation that I prefer is the Aramaic, which gives us:
'lh = god, God of Israel, etc. and
ym = the Mediterranean Sea.
God of the Mediterranean Sea would seem to perhaps represent another way of describing EL, as the God not only of the Creation, and of Israel, but of the lands washed by the Mediterranean as well.

Interesting.


PS - forgot to mention - in regard to Ezekiel. In the pages released to the public by the British Ministry of Defense, (yes, I subscribed to their archives), there is an image drawn by someone requesting their help with a craft that he had seen. He got no reply, or at least none that was noted by him in later requests, but the drawing resembles what Ezekiel described.
I might have shuffled it off as another example of chaff, had he not also included designs on the sides of the craft that were written in the 6000 BC and earlier form of Sumerian!

Of course they don't let us get in touch with the contributors, since they have to black out their names and addresses (top secret don't you know?) just as our own FBI does.

There is also a retired lady who wrote to them twice, who was, during WWII, a spotter of enemy aircraft for the WAAF. She now has a very good telescope, and tracked a craft that she measured, using times and distances relative to satellites in place, at about 26 miles in length. She says she's seen even bigger ones, and was wondering if the MOD knew that they were hiding on the other side of the moon, coming out only infrequently. No answer for her either, unfortunately.

I think I spent two weeks reading all their archives.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Thanks for sharing Irminsül, and this most interesting thread, Jim.

Cayce shed some light on Ezekiel's close encounter, stating those visitors (messengers) were not alien, but Atlantean, or an ancient surviving faction thereof, that had continued in isolation by itself for thousands of years. An interesting notion, with most fascinating implications.

Atlantean throwbacks - or even other ultra-terrestrial groups - is one of several possible origins of 'godly' encounters recorded in the Biblical story. My opinion in this regard is that the 'Ancient Aliens' hypothesis is sort of half right and half wrong. Yahweh for one may have been one of such ultra-terrestrial factions -- meaning they were Human, just a previous iteration of human from an advanced and far earlier civilization. Primitives at the time naturally perceived them as gods. And they can be forgiven for that. Consider modern alien abductions (which I myself have been subjected to). It's looking more and more likely that this troubling phenomenon, or the vast majority of it, isn't the work of aliens at all, but humans -- it's a military operation conducted for whatever end. Put another way: humans masquerading as aliens is not far removed from humans masquerading as gods, thousands of years ago.

A further point, based literally on nothing but intuition, which itself is based on material gleaned from many sources over the years -- the likely true, original In the Beginning story dates back way before the Atlantean era. If I were to put a date on it, it was approximately 400,000 thousands ago that the first infusion of upgrade DNA transformed the native population (Home Erectus at the time) into modern Homo Sapiens.

That was the beginning of intelligent life on earth; of beings endowed with spiritual sentience (elevating it above the animal kingdom). We can only speculate on our earlier origins (the seeding and the evolution of those indigenous hominids), but the modern human DNA-strand almost certainly sprang from 'out there' (space). Sitchin and others talk about the Annunaki, which roughly translated means 'those who from the heavens came'. I think they probably did (not 6,000 years ago in Sumer, but 400,000 y.a.), and were the genesis (small g) of the real Adam and Eve story.

Allegedly, they came to earth looking for resources. The natives at the time were too primitive to serve their need as a work force, so they upgraded them, and voila...

I think our origin story is far more interesting and complex than even that. We've had several 'upgrades' since, implemented by a variety of ET races, who have stamped their genetic imprint within us, right up to the Lemurian epoch some 200,000 years after the departure (or expulsion) of the Annunaki. In my view Genesis, the story we all know from Judeo-Christian tradition, originates, or stems from, a veritable patchwork of far earlier traditions, dating as far back as half a million years.

[Abondance]

One of the interesting points in the discussion in the video is the emergence of the fact that the people of Israel have actually reached an agreement (among the peoples who honored Yahweh, apparently including Sardinia, and Cyprus, various islands mentioned in the Bible - and under the most archaic name of Yahweh: Yahu). They intended to become a people of priests totally consecrated to him, in exchange for his protection and his interventions (quite physical during the battles and massacres assigned by the "god").

One of the statues discovered in Sardinia of a priest shows that his outfit corresponds exactly to the requirements described in the old testament with a strange apparatus which was perhaps used to communicate with Yahweh. (There is a whole video about it that I can try to find if you are interested).

But what surprised me most in Sardinia, are the "pyramids" with flattened tops, supposed to receive the holocausts.

There was a pyramid in Nice, France, which was used as a stone quarry and finally totally razed to the ground in the mid 1970s to make way for a motorway. There is few aerial view of it.






So I wonder if this cult has not also set foot on the Riviera at a certain point or if it concerned another "divinity" of the same family...

[Agape]

And now: the consciousness of our civilisation predating this very planet, they who say "yes this world is ancient."

does it /not imply, in all its disconnectedness from ages of history , from its predecessors , even from ourselves alone

that we have left and came back while ago,
not knowing what all has happened here,

what course did evolution take.

✨🪷🙏🏼

[Irminsül]

Posted by Jim_Duyer (here)

Posted by Irminsül (here)
Hello Jim! Your work on linguistic research is very interesting. The verses you translated provide a somewhat different connotation from their original version, and poetically they are very beautiful. The Bible contains numerous secrets that are still yet to be unveiled. Years ago, I downloaded a doctoral thesis from the Complutense University of Madrid about the book of Proverbs. Much of its content comes from the wisdom of the Egyptian people and the Sumerian, Babylonian, etc.
I’m sharing a page that analyzes the direct translation from Hebrew of the Bible:

http://qbible.com/

Personally, I have been studying certain terms related to spiritual hierarchies that appear in this sacred book for some time. I am particularly interested in the encounter that the prophet Ezekiel had with a being (or beings) from another realm. I have made drawings about it.

Attachment 53975

Thanks for your nice comments.

Wonderful drawings - I salute your talent (which I lack). I am especially impressed by your characters handwritten of Hebrew - clear and easy to make out - unlike many others, especially those such as Rembrandt and our older artists, and even William Blake to some extent - all are normally difficult to navigate. Yours I could translate right away - although I have not had the time yet, I will. I did notice, with a sense of happiness of purpose, your use of aleph lamed in the star or sun above the first drawing.

Most scholars don't mention it, but EL was more the God of the northern tribes of Israel and Yahweh of the southern tribes near Judah. El was also the first name, the one used until Moses, for the Creator. After Moses, and the influx of the Kennites (Cainites, sons of Cain tribes), Yahweh became the name used most often.

I find the ancient words entertaining - I have nearly completed the book that I have been working on for several years. Translations were from Sumerian, Ugaritic, Aramaic and ancient Hebrew, along with Old South Arabic - quite a challenge.
But one part of Ezra struck me as funny. He was describing how the advisors to the King of Assyria were learned and yet dull in imagination. He did give them credit for some translations that they had done, but then he cautions that praise with "even she-asses can speak", a reference to Balaam as you may know.

Good luck in your endeavors. Jim

You're welcome, Jim! It's striking to see how many people in the forum are interested in the same variety of topics in a quite specific way. Thank you for your thoughts on my drawings. Honestly, I still need to really develop my technique. I can only create something like this, which I think belongs to the category of iconic illustration. Nevertheless, I am somewhat satisfied with these representations of mine, as they allow me to communicate and express part of my inner world.

From the beginning, I made my "Celestial Messengers" with fire around their heads for what that symbolizes (spiritual light, higher consciousness, direct connection to the divine). But one day I read in a treatise that men are made of dust and angels of fire, which was a nice confirmation.

I knew about the solar deity El and that through syncretism, the Hebrews incorporated it into their worldview. That's why the suffix in the spirits that serve the Creator: GabriEl, MiguEl, RafaEl, etc.

Angelology fascinates me, and it's a subject I've been delving into from time to time. I didn't know about the reference to El and Yahweh regarding the north and south of Canaan; thanks for that info. What topics does the book you are writing cover? Did you study any linguistics-related subjects at university, or did you learn about it independently?

[Irminsül]

Posted by Jim_Duyer (here)
Here's a bit of serendipity -
Abondance shared with us the information about Yahweh being found in islands outside of Israel, such as Sardinia.

Irminsül furnishes his personal drawings, which in one panel features Aleph Lamed Hey Yud Mem. Many would link that to an alternate way of writing Elohim, however, the translation that I prefer is the Aramaic, which gives us:
'lh = god, God of Israel, etc. and
ym = the Mediterranean Sea.
God of the Mediterranean Sea would seem to perhaps represent another way of describing EL, as the God not only of the Creation, and of Israel, but of the lands washed by the Mediterranean as well.

Interesting.


PS - forgot to mention - in regard to Ezekiel. In the pages released to the public by the British Ministry of Defense, (yes, I subscribed to their archives), there is an image drawn by someone requesting their help with a craft that he had seen. He got no reply, or at least none that was noted by him in later requests, but the drawing resembles what Ezekiel described.
I might have shuffled it off as another example of chaff, had he not also included designs on the sides of the craft that were written in the 6000 BC and earlier form of Sumerian!

Of course they don't let us get in touch with the contributors, since they have to black out their names and addresses (top secret don't you know?) just as our own FBI does.

There is also a retired lady who wrote to them twice, who was, during WWII, a spotter of enemy aircraft for the WAAF. She now has a very good telescope, and tracked a craft that she measured, using times and distances relative to satellites in place, at about 26 miles in length. She says she's seen even bigger ones, and was wondering if the MOD knew that they were hiding on the other side of the moon, coming out only infrequently. No answer for her either, unfortunately.

I think I spent two weeks reading all their archives.

I had never heard of the possibility that the worship of Yahweh had spread so far in the Mediterranean; I will look into that.

What you say about that testimony in the files of the British Ministry of Defence is very striking. As for the Sumerian inscriptions seen on the craft, it reminded me of a couple of cases. In those cases, the protagonists of close encounters said they saw writings in Hebrew on the craft, and in another case, that the occupants (of the Nordic type) spoke to them in that language.

Regarding the extraterrestrials on the moon, they are definitely there. There is a lot of information about it; there is surely a specific thread on the topic.

[Irminsül]

Posted by Mark (Star Mariner) (here)
Thanks for sharing Irminsül, and this most interesting thread, Jim.

Cayce shed some light on Ezekiel's close encounter, stating those visitors (messengers) were not alien, but Atlantean, or an ancient surviving faction thereof, that had continued in isolation by itself for thousands of years. An interesting notion, with most fascinating implications.

Atlantean throwbacks - or even other ultra-terrestrial groups - is one of several possible origins of 'godly' encounters recorded in the Biblical story. My opinion in this regard is that the 'Ancient Aliens' hypothesis is sort of half right and half wrong. Yahweh for one may have been one of such ultra-terrestrial factions -- meaning they were Human, just a previous iteration of human from an advanced and far earlier civilization. Primitives at the time naturally perceived them as gods. And they can be forgiven for that. Consider modern alien abductions (which I myself have been subjected to). It's looking more and more likely that this troubling phenomenon, or the vast majority of it, isn't the work of aliens at all, but humans -- it's a military operation conducted for whatever end. Put another way: humans masquerading as aliens is not far removed from humans masquerading as gods, thousands of years ago.

A further point, based literally on nothing but intuition, which itself is based on material gleaned from many sources over the years -- the likely true, original In the Beginning story dates back way before the Atlantean era. If I were to put a date on it, it was approximately 400,000 thousands ago that the first infusion of upgrade DNA transformed the native population (Home Erectus at the time) into modern Homo Sapiens.

That was the beginning of intelligent life on earth; of beings endowed with spiritual sentience (elevating it above the animal kingdom). We can only speculate on our earlier origins (the seeding and the evolution of those indigenous hominids), but the modern human DNA-strand almost certainly sprang from 'out there' (space). Sitchin and others talk about the Annunaki, which roughly translated means 'those who from the heavens came'. I think they probably did (not 6,000 years ago in Sumer, but 400,000 y.a.), and were the genesis (small g) of the real Adam and Eve story.

Allegedly, they came to earth looking for resources. The natives at the time were too primitive to serve their need as a work force, so they upgraded them, and voila...

I think our origin story is far more interesting and complex than even that. We've had several 'upgrades' since, implemented by a variety of ET races, who have stamped their genetic imprint within us, right up to the Lemurian epoch some 200,000 years after the departure (or expulsion) of the Annunaki. In my view Genesis, the story we all know from Judeo-Christian tradition, originates, or stems from, a veritable patchwork of far earlier traditions, dating as far back as half a million years.

Hi Mark! It’s interesting what you share about what Edgar Cayce said regarding Ezekiel's encounter.

It’s entirely possible that ultra-terrestrial beings have communicated with our humanity more than once for different purposes (and they continue to do so). According to what I’ve read and researched, these beings have different agendas regarding their activities with us. Some are positive, others negative, and some we can't even comprehend.

I believe there is a protection over us, humans. A large number of contactees (and others from various fields) speak of a Galactic Confederation that watches over humanity. I think this is logical, because otherwise, we probably would have already destroyed ourselves with more nuclear wars.

That doesn’t change the fact that today we live in a perverse system that seeks the worst for humanity and wants to lead us toward the well-known New World Order. This system is led by psychopathic individuals who, in turn, respond to totally malevolent non-human intelligences. However, I also believe that it won't be long before all of that collapses and comes to an end.

Related to that last point, regarding those who exert influence from other planes, we have the figure of Yahweh. There has been much discussion about this, and I think most people interested in these topics probably think more or less the same: that this being had nothing to do with the Creator. It was simply an entity from another plane, selfish and violent, that manipulated the Hebrew people in the early days of civilization. And it continues to do so (I don’t know if it’s still alive or if it’s its successors) to this day.

Regarding the creation of humanity, I share your opinion. We were likely intervened by star beings more than once. I see it this way, partly due to multiple testimonies from contactees who were told the same thing.

I remember that some researcher/scientist conducted a study of anomalies in Homo sapiens sapiens indicating that we are not only the product of evolution but also of intervention by extraterrestrial intelligences. But I can't recall where I saw that; I will try to find information about it. If anyone has data on the topic, it would be more than welcome