Posted by shaberon
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In an effort to perhaps understand one another, I don't think anything I have found or posted is contradictory to this framework:
Posted by Michel Leclerc
(here)
(3) the Semitic languages are closely related to another language macro family, called the Hamitic one (best known languages: Pharaonic Egyptian and Berber); the pair is called Hamito-Semitic or Afroasiatic;
(4) Hamito-Semitic or Afroasiatic is in itself related to the other language macrofamilies belonging to the “Nostratic” "mega family" (the degree of proximity being under discussion): to Nostratic belong as well the Indo-European, the Uralic (Finnish, Estonian, Hungarian, Sami), the Altaic (all Turkic languages, Mongolian, Korean, Japanese), the (South Indian) Dravidian (Tamil, Telugu, Kannada, Malayalam) and the Kartvelian (Georgian and other languages of the Caucasus) languages.
I think what I am trying to do is suss out a better explanation than "related to" and "degree of proximity". "Nostratic" = "Japhetic"?
So far, the part that does not seem obvious in the general framework is that South Arabian would have to represent a notably earlier immigration or expansion.
No one in the world has been able to explain or trace "Biblical Shem" in any substantial way, but, there is an "Aramaic Shem" which retains the story of what we might call "Abraham's passage", which are perhaps suggestive of a symbolic view of Aram and South Arabia from the "distant" pre-2,000 B. C. E. era. These potential symbols do not come with their own versions of kings' lists or genealogies, just the implication that "Aram" was meaningful for over a thousand years before becoming a *particular* king of Damascus in the post-Mycenean stage.
I haven't figured out what you were trying to suggest with "Greek Minoan B". You said you had questions about why the IVC architecture with its sanitation and other features was abandoned. This is very interesting, but is interior to India, and so for purposes of this thread, I will try to stick to how India was associated with/informative to the middle east. That happens to be by supplying the Lapis Lazuli and Tin, upon which
all these middle eastern cultures are derived, and additional factors. These seem to include a huge lateral impact on the Greek language.
The point I was making is that nothing attests to the "event" of Thera's volcano/tsunamis,
despite the standing connections to multiple trading partners, and "seizing the moment" after it happened.
My understanding is that Minoan A was a very different culture, whose continental associates were "driven underground" as oracles and mystery cults, in caves and remote wildernesses, because the original Cretans were rapidly replaced by Dorians or Myceneans. Hesiod may very well be symbolizing them as "Gold" and then lesser ages. From what we can tell, it means the spread of an oppressive oligarchy, for centuries until it decayed horribly, until Solomon and the King of Tyre seem to be the founders of "states" in the Phoenician and Hebrew groups, which is the same point that "Saba" is formed out of the South Arabians, while "Arab" is Jordanian. We can say Isfahan began cultivating Minoan Saffron here as well.
Now, of course, any prominent leaders at that time could have hardly been unaware of numerous natural disasters, such as two towns eliminated by earthquakes, but also the political system of recent kings. If this is on the table, and we figure out how to fashion something wise and good in response to it, then, we will find that David and Solomon's priesthood is replaced by a "class". The later exception to this is that Jesus is the Order of Melchizidek. He rebukes the standing socio-economic order in his first known appearance. If you meditate just on historical Solomon and Jesus, this can be done without necessarily as part of any one of the religions, and you would still get something good and wise out of it. There's no way it would tend towards Zionism in its current form. You'd have to make simple and obvious things much more difficult to understand, and perform illusion.
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