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    The hate for Elon Musk is palatable, his support for the Trump presidency has brought every unthinking imbecile out of the woodwork to spew hatred. In a sense I kind of get it, every successful story needs a villain and the media is acutely aware of this fact. They have elevated Trump to villain extraordinaire and elevated Musk to Batman's Robin. Oddly enough, Elon Musk was the darling of the left until they found out that he critically thinks. The progressives denigrate billionaires but they all want to be rich. They cheer for failure and actively seek out negative stories. They can't move forward because it feels better to let the hate fester. These people bask in victimhood. It appears that Elon has cast aside all the negative backlash and settled on a very simple strategy to move his mission to make life better for society and possibly save humanity forward.

    Roulette is a simplistic game that does not require as much strategy as other real money casino games. There’s no greater example of this simplicity than the game’s most popular wager: red or black. It strikes me that Elon Musk has walked up to the roulette table and bet everything in his possession on red. He obviously feels that he can stack the odds in his favor by donating $45 million per month to a super pac for Trump and creating a one million dollar a day voting lottery. There are many reasons (that I can see) to vote for Trump but one of the most important is to allow Elon Musk to flourish and reach his full potential as a human. If Trump loses I can't see the Federal government continuing its strong support of Space X and its moderate support of Telsa.

    In a way, there is much more riding on this election than just what Trump will do with the economy, border, crime, and free speech etc. If Musk's bet on the election fails to pay off I am afraid it will have a long-term generational impact on space exploration, and car, energy and communication technology. Elon Musk is like another Telsa and they only come along once every 100-200 years.
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    Update from my earlier post about Michigan data attributing multiple votes to the same ID

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    Our election integrity team received reports of thousands of duplicate ballots in Michigan.

    We immediately investigated and have CONFIRMED that it was a glitch in the system - these duplicates were not and WILL NOT BE COUNTED.

    We are on it and protecting the vote!

    on another issue front

    https://x.com/JackPosobiec/status/1851704690121068667




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    You saw things, You filmed things, You made it viral

    We got it all to the lawyers, they sued, and the judge ruled that election laws were VIOLATED

    Early Voting is now EXTENDED in Bucks County PA until Friday at 5pm


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    https://x.com/catturd2/status/1851753766468407447



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    BREAKING — Trump arrives in Wisconsin to a MAGA garbage truck




    https://x.com/catturd2/status/1851754337698992268



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    🚨 #BREAKING: President Trump has just started his shift as a GARBAGE MAN at the airport in Green Bay, Wisconsin

    WHAT A LEGEND! 🤣🔥



    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...ass-triggering

    Trump Holds Press Conference In Garbage Truck On Route To Green Bay Rally

    by Tyler Durden
    Wednesday, Oct 30, 2024 - 10:45 AM
    Update: (630pm): Late last night, after all the garbage drama had finally quieted down, we suggested that if Trump shows up in a garbage truck tomorrow, the media would explode.

    Fast forward to this afternoon when, in a move that may very well seal the election, Trump took this advice and after landing in Green Bay, Wisconsin, he conducted a brief press conference in a garbage truck which he then rode to his rally.





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    Fascists aren't known for their sense of humor. Neither are Nazis. Neither are the people constantly accusing Trump of being both a fascist and a Nazi, but I digress...

    Can you imagine Hitler working at McDonald's? LOL. Or having a stand up comedian open for him at a political rally? Or troll his political opponents by addressing the press from a garbage truck?

    Trump is an ironist. A performer. A stand up comedian. Yes, he also has quite an ego and he's grandiose, but it's all tempered by his playful, mischievous side. This man can laugh at himself. He once allowed himself to be brutally roasted by the country's top comics for over 2 hours. I mean, it was an utterly vicious roasting. Somehow I don't think Mussolini or Hitler would have participated in such a thing. Just a guess.

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    Putting aside the pernicious drivel that Russia has really ever meddled in external elections, this short segment should serve as a reminder of who the real culprits tend to be. Yes, I know we know this here on the forum, but, this all does seem to be so new to those less world-wise should we say.

    Patrick Henningsen provides a pithy and accurate short summing up here via his X account:
    "FACT: One of the main foreign actors which actually interferes & meddles in elections, is Israel.

    Here we learn how Israeli intelligence operatives have helped interfere in no less than 30 elections worldwide. Their “Team Jorge” unit was partially revealed in this investigation where undercover reporters posed as potential clients. Ultimately, these operations would have to serve Israel’s national interests in some way, or create some additional leverage (political, financial or otherwise). That’s the deal.

    Note: this is merely ONE such Israel-based subterfuge operation. Incredible…"
    Those of us with memories that stretch back a little further than the last vacuous piece of Satanic-do-murmur-y slobbering from the lips of that chthonic concubine known as Kamala Harris, and her bamboozling peculiar word-saladry (sic) recall a certain Cambridge Analytica, those British based bastions of 'democracy', whatever that actually means these days, and their similar bragging concerning foreign election meddling. So, what is presented here is really nothing new, but worth bringing to the attention of anyone unfamiliar with how things are fixed, and rigged.

    ---

    At the time of sharing I'm uncertain when this was filmed, but that is largely moot I'd suggest. That said I will try and find out.

    UPDATE: from February 2023, but one does wonder in what guise they may now be operating. Link to article here: https://www.theguardian.com/world/vi...-reality-video



    Guardian 'Forbidden Stories' segment | Featuring Tal Hanan ("Team Jorge")
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    Quote Posted by Mike (here)
    Fascists aren't known for their sense of humor. Neither are Nazis. Neither are the people constantly accusing Trump of being both a fascist and a Nazi, but I digress...

    Can you imagine Hitler working at McDonald's? LOL. Or having a stand up comedian open for him at a political rally? Or troll his political opponents by addressing the press from a garbage truck?

    Trump is an ironist. A performer. A stand up comedian. Yes, he also has quite an ego and he's grandiose, but it's all tempered by his playful, mischievous side. This man can laugh at himself. He once allowed himself to be brutally roasted by the country's top comics for over 2 hours. I mean, it was an utterly vicious roasting. Somehow I don't think Mussolini or Hitler would have participated in such a thing. Just a guess.

    Waiting for Donald's masterpiece: "Mein Humph!"

    As parodies go, that might just work
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    Quote Posted by Mike (here)
    Fascists aren't known for their sense of humor. Neither are Nazis. Neither are the people constantly accusing Trump of being both a fascist and a Nazi, but I digress...

    Can you imagine Hitler working at McDonald's? LOL. Or having a stand up comedian open for him at a political rally? Or troll his political opponents by addressing the press from a garbage truck?

    Trump is an ironist. A performer. A stand up comedian. Yes, he also has quite an ego and he's grandiose, but it's all tempered by his playful, mischievous side. This man can laugh at himself. He once allowed himself to be brutally roasted by the country's top comics for over 2 hours. I mean, it was an utterly vicious roasting. Somehow I don't think Mussolini or Hitler would have participated in such a thing. Just a guess.
    Here's his stand up yesterday

    https://x.com/WarClandestine/status/1851781793524879778



    This clip of Trump explaining the dump truck, is funnier than 99% of Netflix comedy specials. 😂

    And this is the guy they said was Hitler?

    As for the Dems, they are in trouble. Trump is relaxed, smooth, and having fun. They can’t compete with this.

    — Clandestine (@WarClandestine) October 31, 2024

    some folks have no sense of humor

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    FACT CHECK: This is a staged photo op. Donald Trump refers to it as "his" garbage truck, but he does not actually own it. Not only is he not employed as a sanitation engineer, he does not possess the requisite license to operate that garbage truck. 🤥🤥🤥


    https://x.com/LauraLoomer/status/1851835867687424409




    https://x.com/TheWakeninq/status/1851895916921307486




    https://x.com/kylenabecker/status/1851923622522188121




    Kyle Becker
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    It's all fun and games on @CNN until Donald Trump interrupts your broadcast with breaking news delivered from a garbage truck 🤣


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    Trump’s garbage truck press conference has over 20 million views and 2.3 million likes on TikTok.

    The king of the internet.
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    Quote Posted by Mike (here)
    Fascists aren't known for their sense of humor. Neither are Nazis. Neither are the people constantly accusing Trump of being both a fascist and a Nazi, but I digress...

    Can you imagine Hitler working at McDonald's? LOL. Or having a stand up comedian open for him at a political rally? Or troll his political opponents by addressing the press from a garbage truck?

    Trump is an ironist. A performer. A stand up comedian. Yes, he also has quite an ego and he's grandiose, but it's all tempered by his playful, mischievous side. This man can laugh at himself. He once allowed himself to be brutally roasted by the country's top comics for over 2 hours. I mean, it was an utterly vicious roasting. Somehow I don't think Mussolini or Hitler would have participated in such a thing. Just a guess.
    The contempt these hateful treasonous bastards have for this country and the people within it is, well, mind-blowing to say the least. For a sitting president to actually call half or more than half of his country's people garbage is just pure evil and disgusting. It's very telling where we stand when it comes to surviving a SHTF scenario. Hurricane Hellene is a prime example of this hate and contempt these so called leaders have for us.

    The uneducated, fooled, ignorant, and brainwashed souls that truly believe they are exempt from being targeted, starved, or even murdered by these elite genocidal psychopaths are highly mistaken. The one's with any brain cells left that finally come to the conclusion that they were tricked and fooled in to believing such a dangerous and deadly ideology will be the first to scream apologetic phrases and beg for rescue, but it will be too late.

    Calling Trump a Hilter and all his followers Fascists and Nazis are these genocidal psychopaths way of projecting their own characteristics on to us, their enemies, and to stir up more division and hatred. It amazes me that after about 10 years of this constant gaslighting that so many still buy into this nonsense. It just goes to prove how many weak-minded people and people incapable of any forms of critical thinking live in this country, or on this planet.

    For many, logic, reason, and common sense have left the building.....

    I do see a large awakening to the lies and deception but the beast has had to much time to grow and sharpen its fangs. It's about to devour everything it can and it will take unimaginable will power and strategy to stop it.
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    Quote Posted by SilentFeathers (here)

    I do see a large awakening to the lies and deception but the beast has had to much time to grow and sharpen its fangs. It's about to devour everything it can and it will take unimaginable will power and strategy to stop it.
    The anxiety approaching these final days before November 5 is mind crushing. I have no idea how it will all play out. Not because I have no idea how the vote count will play out, but because I have no idea how the American people are going to react to the opening salvo of a battle hitherto wages behind the scenes, now open for all to see, a battle between the people electing a government by and for the people and the clandestine occupiers attempt at installing their proxy, Kamala Harris (how inconvenient seizing and dismantling a country where its pesky plebs require continual gaslighting, ongoing psyop programming, and mass hypnotic suggestion 24/7 so to assure they sleepwalk through their own takeover—only because the damn founding constitution of said country requires a check by the plebs via democratic consent every four years?). This is inconvenient indeed. But nothing the occupied and corrupt institutions and Dominion can’t manage. Or have been able to manage in the past. But what happens when the people themselves wake up to this charade and reject the theater?

    This is where we are at, and this is the great unknown going into the final week before this election.

    The occupying dismantlers will try to install Harris, by any means necessary, regardless of the vote. And in fact, the tally of the vote, via Dominion, fraudulent ballots, fictitious ballots, etc., will likely confirm the people support via democratic consent the occupier’s proxy. The official narrative will proclaim a Harris victory, but the real narrative, witnessed and known by at least half—or more—of the population, will reveal a much different reality. In 2020, only a small percentage of people were on to this--and they were vilified, demonized, and even jailed because of it--but 2024 is much different. Or is it?

    I just have no idea how the people of America are going to negotiate this…..
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    My hope is that it does not play out like this, but I know the 'left' has been able to marshal riots and destruction across the US fairly easily before...


    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...-if-trump-wins

    Is The Left Preparing For War If Trump Wins?

    by Tyler Durden
    Thursday, Oct 31, 2024 - 08:10 AM
    Authored by Lee Smith via RealClearPolitics,

    The propaganda campaign labeling Donald Trump as an aspiring dictator determined to use the military and national security apparatus against his political opponents is designed not to affect the upcoming election but rather to shape the post-election environment. It is the central piece of a narrative that, by characterizing Trump as a tyrant (indeed likening him to Hitler), establishes the conditions for violence — not just another attempt on Trump’s life, but political violence on a massive scale intended to destabilize the country.




    As I write in my forthcoming book Disappearing the President, Democratic Party research and media reports show that many senior party officials and operatives are preparing for the possibility of a Trump victory. Accordingly, planning is focused on undermining the incoming president with enough violence to rock his administration. Prominent post-election scenarios forecast such widespread rioting that the newly elected president would be compelled to invoke the Insurrection Act. With some senior military officials refusing to follow Trump’s orders, according to the scenarios, the U.S. Armed Forces would split, leaving America on the edge of the abyss.

    By vilifying Trump as a despotic madman who must be stopped before he can commence his reign of terror, the regime’s propaganda apparatus not only slanders Trump but also pre-emptively threatens the reputation, as well as the livelihood and perhaps the liberty, of current military personnel. The point is to push the military against Trump: When the time comes to act, will you stand for democracy or side with a tyrant who sees the military only as an instrument to advance his personal interests?

    For instance, last week the Atlantic’s editor-in-chief, Jeffrey Goldberg, quoted former Trump administration officials claiming that the Republican candidate is contemptuous of America’s armed forces and, according to Trump’s former chief of staff, John Kelly, wishes he could command the same respect that Hitler commanded from his general officers.

    This is not the first time that Trump has been compared to Hitler or that Kelly, a retired Marine general, turned on his former commander-in-chief. Kelly was the key source for a story published before the 2020 election, also in the Atlantic and also by Jeffrey Goldberg, that alleged Trump had called American WWII soldiers buried in French cemeteries “suckers and losers.”

    The veracity of Kelly’s latest revelation that Trump admires Hitler must of course be judged against the fact that he waited five years to disclose it, even if it is unlikely to have much effect on the current election cycle. The military, and veterans of the Global War on Terror in particular, overwhelmingly support the candidate opposed to waging endless and strategically pointless foreign wars. Moreover, Trump has weathered far more damaging fabrications — like the false allegations that he had been compromised by Russian intelligence — that only galvanized support for him.

    The purpose of the Hitler narrative is not to alter the electoral preferences of left-wing media audiences already solidly in the anti-Trump column, but rather to justify taking extreme measures against the Republican candidate and the America First movement and ensure that the bulk of the military sides with the anti-Trump plot. Thus, it is best understood in the context of recent accounts promising, or urging, violence after the November vote.

    For example, last week the New York Times published a long interview with a scholar of fascism who declared that Trump is a fascist. The paper of record followed up with another long article by two Harvard professors calling for mass mobilization in the event of a Trump victory. The proposal suggests that private industry join civil society organizations to ostracize Trump and his supporters and engage in large public protests to provoke a crisis. Kamala Harris herself, commenting on Kelly’s allegations in the Atlantic story, claimed that her opponent “is a fascist” during a CNN town hall.

    These stories are only the latest in an ongoing series of media reports warning of a Trump dictatorship. Beltway insider Robert Kagan was out of the gate early, writing even before Trump wrapped up the nomination that, without mounting resistance against the Republican candidate, America is “a few short steps, and a matter of months, away from the possibility of dictatorship.” A January story from NBC claimed that Trump was exploring ways to use the military to assassinate political rivals.

    The propaganda meant to establish a predicate to employ violence to stop Trump has been reinforced at the highest levels of the Democratic Party.

    When Joe Biden was asked by a reporter if he was confident that there would be a peaceful transfer of power after the 2024 election, he answered, “If Trump wins, no I’m not confident at all.” Then, seemingly correcting himself, the president said, “I mean if Trump loses, I’m not confident at all. He means what he says, we don’t take him seriously. He means it, all the stuff about, ‘If we lose there will be a bloodbath.’”

    Biden was referring to a comment Trump made in March about Chinese efforts to build auto manufacturing plants in Mexico. The export of those cars to America, Trump said, would result in a “bloodbath” for the U.S. auto industry. Naturally, the Biden campaign used the figure of speech to accuse Trump of inciting “political violence.”

    Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-MD) advertised a more specific scenario leading to violence when he promised that Congress will remove Trump by invoking Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment, which prohibits anyone “engaged in insurrection or rebellion” from holding federal office. “It’s going to be up to us on January 6, 2025, to tell the rampaging Trump mobs that he’s disqualified,” Raskin has said. “And then we need bodyguards for everybody in civil war conditions.”

    But the most significant post-election scenarios were drafted by Rosa Brooks, a former Obama Pentagon official whose 2020 wargaming with the Transition Integrity Project (TIP) has been credited by the left-wing press for its “accuracy.”

    Ahead of the last election, Brooks and TIP, according to the Guardian, “imagined the then far-fetched idea that Trump might refuse to concede defeat, and, by claiming widespread fraud in mail-in ballots, unleash dark forces culminating in violence. Every implausible detail of the simulations came to pass in the lead-up to the U.S. Capitol attack on 6 January 2021.”

    That’s a fanciful way of obscuring the truth. TIP anticipated that Trump would contest the results because party operatives knew beforehand that election irregularities resulting from new voting procedures, like mass mail-in voting, designed to facilitate fraud would be glaringly obvious. Thus, because of Brooks’s past performance and her central role in a network comprising the media and current and former defense officials, her work is widely acknowledged as the Left’s roadmap for post-election contingency planning.

    For the 2024 election, Brooks teamed up with journalist Barton Gellman to run a series of wargames in May and June under the auspices of the Democracy Futures Project (DFP), part of the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University.

    As with the 2020 wargames, the two opposing teams were staffed by former government officials from the Republican as well as the Democrat establishment. The results were announced with a mid-summer media rollout to ready other officials and operatives for likely post-election operations. Four articles were published the same day, July 30 — in the New Republic; the Guardian; the Washington Post, which ran a piece by Gellman; and Brooks herself writing for the Bulwark — showing that Brooks and Gellman’s scenarios, at least those disclosed, assume a Trump victory. The play then is to block.

    Disruption, destabilization, and violence are legitimized by a narrative driven by self-congratulatory mirror-imaging and projection in which the so-called defenders of democracy face down an authoritarian Trump.

    Brooks and her cohort ignore the evidence of Biden and Harris’s abuse of power and assert that it is Trump who will who use the federal government against his opponents. It is Trump’s CIA and DOJ, according to the wargamers, that will cashier national security officials for “raising concerns about the politicization of intelligence and the pressure to launch ideologically motivated investigations.” It is Trump who will use the IRS to go after nonprofits. It is at Trump’s behest that journalists will be targeted and Democrat-aligned media outlets investigated as the FCC revokes broadcast licenses. And, writes Brooks, the Trump administration will force out top military officials on account of their “objecting to Trump’s cozy relationship with Russia.”

    The forecasts read like paranoid fantasy, but they’re carefully scripted inversions of reality meant to to rewrite history and obscure the crimes of the Left that have shaken the pillars of the republic.

    The most alarming scenario involves political and military officials “resisting efforts to federalize their national guard units and send them to quell anti-Trump protests in major U.S. cities.” That is, the post-election playbook calls for (or takes for granted) widespread violence so intense that the president invokes the Insurrection Act. The forecast posits a split in the senior ranks of the U.S. military after Trump replaces the chiefs of staff with officers who comply with his order and deploy forces to put down the riots.

    This is where the political violence cultivated by the destructive Left is leading: blood-soaked streets and a divided military. The purpose of the Hitler narrative is to force members of the military to turn against Trump. After all, loyalty to the constitution means fighting Hitler, not obeying his orders.

    With the two recent attempts on Trump’s life, we’ve seen how the regime’s narratives simultaneously create the conditions for violence and explain it away. When Trump was shot at a rally in Butler, PA, Democratic Party officials and the media not only denied any connection between the shooting and their inflammatory rhetoric but even blamed Trump himself. After all, he and his aspiring assassin were cut from the same cloth: “The gunman and Trump, at their opposite ends of a bullet’s trajectory, are nonetheless joined together as common enemies of law and democracy,” wrote David Frum in, of all places, the Atlantic.

    On this view, Trump has polarized the country so profoundly that he is ultimately responsible for the attempt on his own life. But that is another inversion of reality, tailored to suit the bloodlust of a dark regime. It is the logic of terror: It is only the violence of our victims that drove us to slaughter them.

    This self-serving logic not only gets the Left off the hook for past depredations; it serves as the pretext for future violence against Trump, his aides, and his supporters. After November 5, this weaponized narrative could be expanded to justify violence on a mass scale designed to break the republic.

    Lee Smith is a bestselling author whose new book, "Disappearing the President: Trump, Truth Social, and the Fight for the Republic," was published October 22. This article was first published at TomKlingenstein.com.
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    I do see a large awakening to the lies and deception but the beast has had to much time to grow and sharpen its fangs. It's about to devour everything it can and it will take unimaginable will power and strategy to stop it.
    The anxiety approaching these final days before November 5 is mind crushing. I have no idea how it will all play out. Not because I have no idea how the vote count will play out, but because I have no idea how the American people are going to react to the opening salvo of a battle hitherto wages behind the scenes, now open for all to see, a battle between the people electing a government by and for the people and the clandestine occupiers attempt at installing their proxy, Kamala Harris (how inconvenient seizing and dismantling a country where its pesky plebs require continual gaslighting, ongoing psyop programming, and mass hypnotic suggestion 24/7 so to assure they sleepwalk through their own takeover—only because the damn founding constitution of said country requires a check by the plebs via democratic consent every four years?). This is inconvenient indeed. But nothing the occupied and corrupt institutions and Dominion can’t manage. Or have been able to manage in the past. But what happens when the people themselves wake up to this charade and reject the theater?

    This is where we are at, and this is the great unknown going into the final week before this election.

    The occupying dismantlers will try to install Harris, by any means necessary, regardless of the vote. And in fact, the tally of the vote, via Dominion, fraudulent ballots, fictitious ballots, etc., will likely confirm the people support via democratic consent the occupier’s proxy. The official narrative will proclaim a Harris victory, but the real narrative, witnessed and known by at least half—or more—of the population, will reveal a much different reality. In 2020, only a small percentage of people were on to this--and they were vilified, demonized, and even jailed because of it--but 2024 is much different. Or is it?

    I just have no idea how the people of America are going to negotiate this…..
    I also have no idea how this will play out.

    They'll likely pull what worked in 2020. We'll go to bed Tuesday night seeing Trump so far ahead that he couldn't possibly lose, yet, wake up Wednesday morning as Kamala is being declared the winner.

    The only way I can see Trump actually being allowed to win this election is for their own nefarious reasons. Just imagine what would happen if they actually then claimed voter fraud done by MAGA people and not certify Trump and then install Kamala declaring her the "legal" winner next January.

    I think it's highly likely that something may happen that almost all of us haven't thought of yet or think is so ridiculous that it is laughable as even being a possibility, but then happens.
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    My hope is that it does not play out like this, but I know the 'left' has been able to marshal riots and destruction across the US fairly easily before...


    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...-if-trump-wins

    Is The Left Preparing For War If Trump Wins?

    by Tyler Durden
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    Authored by Lee Smith via RealClearPolitics,

    The propaganda campaign labeling Donald Trump as an aspiring dictator determined to use the military and national security apparatus against his political opponents is designed not to affect the upcoming election but rather to shape the post-election environment. It is the central piece of a narrative that, by characterizing Trump as a tyrant (indeed likening him to Hitler), establishes the conditions for violence — not just another attempt on Trump’s life, but political violence on a massive scale intended to destabilize the country.




    As I write in my forthcoming book Disappearing the President, Democratic Party research and media reports show that many senior party officials and operatives are preparing for the possibility of a Trump victory. Accordingly, planning is focused on undermining the incoming president with enough violence to rock his administration. Prominent post-election scenarios forecast such widespread rioting that the newly elected president would be compelled to invoke the Insurrection Act. With some senior military officials refusing to follow Trump’s orders, according to the scenarios, the U.S. Armed Forces would split, leaving America on the edge of the abyss.

    By vilifying Trump as a despotic madman who must be stopped before he can commence his reign of terror, the regime’s propaganda apparatus not only slanders Trump but also pre-emptively threatens the reputation, as well as the livelihood and perhaps the liberty, of current military personnel. The point is to push the military against Trump: When the time comes to act, will you stand for democracy or side with a tyrant who sees the military only as an instrument to advance his personal interests?

    For instance, last week the Atlantic’s editor-in-chief, Jeffrey Goldberg, quoted former Trump administration officials claiming that the Republican candidate is contemptuous of America’s armed forces and, according to Trump’s former chief of staff, John Kelly, wishes he could command the same respect that Hitler commanded from his general officers.

    This is not the first time that Trump has been compared to Hitler or that Kelly, a retired Marine general, turned on his former commander-in-chief. Kelly was the key source for a story published before the 2020 election, also in the Atlantic and also by Jeffrey Goldberg, that alleged Trump had called American WWII soldiers buried in French cemeteries “suckers and losers.”

    The veracity of Kelly’s latest revelation that Trump admires Hitler must of course be judged against the fact that he waited five years to disclose it, even if it is unlikely to have much effect on the current election cycle. The military, and veterans of the Global War on Terror in particular, overwhelmingly support the candidate opposed to waging endless and strategically pointless foreign wars. Moreover, Trump has weathered far more damaging fabrications — like the false allegations that he had been compromised by Russian intelligence — that only galvanized support for him.

    The purpose of the Hitler narrative is not to alter the electoral preferences of left-wing media audiences already solidly in the anti-Trump column, but rather to justify taking extreme measures against the Republican candidate and the America First movement and ensure that the bulk of the military sides with the anti-Trump plot. Thus, it is best understood in the context of recent accounts promising, or urging, violence after the November vote.

    For example, last week the New York Times published a long interview with a scholar of fascism who declared that Trump is a fascist. The paper of record followed up with another long article by two Harvard professors calling for mass mobilization in the event of a Trump victory. The proposal suggests that private industry join civil society organizations to ostracize Trump and his supporters and engage in large public protests to provoke a crisis. Kamala Harris herself, commenting on Kelly’s allegations in the Atlantic story, claimed that her opponent “is a fascist” during a CNN town hall.

    These stories are only the latest in an ongoing series of media reports warning of a Trump dictatorship. Beltway insider Robert Kagan was out of the gate early, writing even before Trump wrapped up the nomination that, without mounting resistance against the Republican candidate, America is “a few short steps, and a matter of months, away from the possibility of dictatorship.” A January story from NBC claimed that Trump was exploring ways to use the military to assassinate political rivals.

    The propaganda meant to establish a predicate to employ violence to stop Trump has been reinforced at the highest levels of the Democratic Party.

    When Joe Biden was asked by a reporter if he was confident that there would be a peaceful transfer of power after the 2024 election, he answered, “If Trump wins, no I’m not confident at all.” Then, seemingly correcting himself, the president said, “I mean if Trump loses, I’m not confident at all. He means what he says, we don’t take him seriously. He means it, all the stuff about, ‘If we lose there will be a bloodbath.’”

    Biden was referring to a comment Trump made in March about Chinese efforts to build auto manufacturing plants in Mexico. The export of those cars to America, Trump said, would result in a “bloodbath” for the U.S. auto industry. Naturally, the Biden campaign used the figure of speech to accuse Trump of inciting “political violence.”

    Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-MD) advertised a more specific scenario leading to violence when he promised that Congress will remove Trump by invoking Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment, which prohibits anyone “engaged in insurrection or rebellion” from holding federal office. “It’s going to be up to us on January 6, 2025, to tell the rampaging Trump mobs that he’s disqualified,” Raskin has said. “And then we need bodyguards for everybody in civil war conditions.”

    But the most significant post-election scenarios were drafted by Rosa Brooks, a former Obama Pentagon official whose 2020 wargaming with the Transition Integrity Project (TIP) has been credited by the left-wing press for its “accuracy.”

    Ahead of the last election, Brooks and TIP, according to the Guardian, “imagined the then far-fetched idea that Trump might refuse to concede defeat, and, by claiming widespread fraud in mail-in ballots, unleash dark forces culminating in violence. Every implausible detail of the simulations came to pass in the lead-up to the U.S. Capitol attack on 6 January 2021.”

    That’s a fanciful way of obscuring the truth. TIP anticipated that Trump would contest the results because party operatives knew beforehand that election irregularities resulting from new voting procedures, like mass mail-in voting, designed to facilitate fraud would be glaringly obvious. Thus, because of Brooks’s past performance and her central role in a network comprising the media and current and former defense officials, her work is widely acknowledged as the Left’s roadmap for post-election contingency planning.

    For the 2024 election, Brooks teamed up with journalist Barton Gellman to run a series of wargames in May and June under the auspices of the Democracy Futures Project (DFP), part of the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University.

    As with the 2020 wargames, the two opposing teams were staffed by former government officials from the Republican as well as the Democrat establishment. The results were announced with a mid-summer media rollout to ready other officials and operatives for likely post-election operations. Four articles were published the same day, July 30 — in the New Republic; the Guardian; the Washington Post, which ran a piece by Gellman; and Brooks herself writing for the Bulwark — showing that Brooks and Gellman’s scenarios, at least those disclosed, assume a Trump victory. The play then is to block.

    Disruption, destabilization, and violence are legitimized by a narrative driven by self-congratulatory mirror-imaging and projection in which the so-called defenders of democracy face down an authoritarian Trump.

    Brooks and her cohort ignore the evidence of Biden and Harris’s abuse of power and assert that it is Trump who will who use the federal government against his opponents. It is Trump’s CIA and DOJ, according to the wargamers, that will cashier national security officials for “raising concerns about the politicization of intelligence and the pressure to launch ideologically motivated investigations.” It is Trump who will use the IRS to go after nonprofits. It is at Trump’s behest that journalists will be targeted and Democrat-aligned media outlets investigated as the FCC revokes broadcast licenses. And, writes Brooks, the Trump administration will force out top military officials on account of their “objecting to Trump’s cozy relationship with Russia.”

    The forecasts read like paranoid fantasy, but they’re carefully scripted inversions of reality meant to to rewrite history and obscure the crimes of the Left that have shaken the pillars of the republic.

    The most alarming scenario involves political and military officials “resisting efforts to federalize their national guard units and send them to quell anti-Trump protests in major U.S. cities.” That is, the post-election playbook calls for (or takes for granted) widespread violence so intense that the president invokes the Insurrection Act. The forecast posits a split in the senior ranks of the U.S. military after Trump replaces the chiefs of staff with officers who comply with his order and deploy forces to put down the riots.

    This is where the political violence cultivated by the destructive Left is leading: blood-soaked streets and a divided military. The purpose of the Hitler narrative is to force members of the military to turn against Trump. After all, loyalty to the constitution means fighting Hitler, not obeying his orders.

    With the two recent attempts on Trump’s life, we’ve seen how the regime’s narratives simultaneously create the conditions for violence and explain it away. When Trump was shot at a rally in Butler, PA, Democratic Party officials and the media not only denied any connection between the shooting and their inflammatory rhetoric but even blamed Trump himself. After all, he and his aspiring assassin were cut from the same cloth: “The gunman and Trump, at their opposite ends of a bullet’s trajectory, are nonetheless joined together as common enemies of law and democracy,” wrote David Frum in, of all places, the Atlantic.

    On this view, Trump has polarized the country so profoundly that he is ultimately responsible for the attempt on his own life. But that is another inversion of reality, tailored to suit the bloodlust of a dark regime. It is the logic of terror: It is only the violence of our victims that drove us to slaughter them.

    This self-serving logic not only gets the Left off the hook for past depredations; it serves as the pretext for future violence against Trump, his aides, and his supporters. After November 5, this weaponized narrative could be expanded to justify violence on a mass scale designed to break the republic.

    Lee Smith is a bestselling author whose new book, "Disappearing the President: Trump, Truth Social, and the Fight for the Republic," was published October 22. This article was first published at TomKlingenstein.com.
    That's just it... This is plan B if they can't control a Harris victory via the vote. As I see it, there are only two possible outcomes:

    1) The left's handlers pull off 2020 redux and Harris wins via fraudulent vote tally - (there will be massive evidence of it, but does that matter?)
    2) Swamp the vote makes it impossible for Harris to win (this is the argument -- just not so convinced this argument isn't founded on wishful thinking) - the occupiers then declare open war on the America people with the support of a good chunk of occupied institutions, military, and TDS civilians backing the charge.

    To expound on my post above, I honestly don't have a grasp on which one of the options above is going to play out. I really don't.

    And of course there is a third option, which is possible (to be fair...it just seems nearly impossible to me given all the facts):

    3) Harris really does win the electoral college via an honest election. If this happens, I'll mourn America and inalienable human rights, but will accept the result and live to fight the boot stamping on the collective human face forever as a fate we humans all brought on ourselves...

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    Quote Posted by T Smith (here)
    As I see it, there are only two possible outcomes:

    1) The left's handlers pull off 2020 redux and Harris wins via fraudulent vote tally - (there will be massive evidence of it, but does that matter?)

    2) Swamp the vote makes it impossible for Harris to win (this is the argument -- just not so convinced this argument isn't founded on wishful thinking) - the occupiers then declare open war on the America people with the support of a good chunk of occupied institutions, military, and TDS civilians backing the charge.
    It'll be something very much like #2. (You forgot to mention the occupied prosecutors and judges! )

    Some might remember that I wrote this here (long ago!) in December 2023:
    • Biden will suffer a medical event and withdraw from the US presidential race, sometime round June or July.
    • Trump will be able to run for the US presidency. There will be court cases right up to the last moment. Trump will be elected, but this will result in something close to civil war (but not a shooting war).

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    (As usual, I disclaim any serious knowledge of these matters - and am just reporting my hunches.)

    I think there is a possibility that Trump will be allowed to win, but that politically significant riots will Not then be allowed/organized by the authorities.

    This, because DT is apparently much the most favoured candidate by Israel - hence by some very powerful people in the USA. That is also the view of the (extremely leftist) BBC News who reports today on the strongly pro-DT Israeli opinion: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2yv9k3mpmo

    Also, I think that if anti-Trump riots were planned to happen if DT was elected, then the US mainstream media would be signalling this very strongly - which I don't think they are; and indeed probably the violence would already have begun.
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    https://x.com/DC_Draino/status/1851948230600269977




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    NEW: The office of Colorado Secretary of State @JenaGriswold (D) didn't change leaked voting machine passwords until AFTER the leak became public yesterday. Griswold was made aware of the breach five days prior, on October 24. More details on @nexton9news at 6. #copolitics

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    Holy crap the Colorado password “leak” gets worse

    CO SoS Jena Griswold knew these voting machine passwords were “leaked” for at least 5 days and made no public statements or orders to change the passwords

    It was only once the CO GOP raised the alarm that they were changed

    You know what this means?

    Jena Griswold was CAUGHT IN THE ACT of leaking passwords so that certain people could go in undetected to tamper with our elections

    This could be huge

    Will be very interesting to see if CO’s election results are materially better for Repubs in 2024 than in prior years
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    edit to add this is unverified by me - the way photo is cropped could induce disinfo...


    https://x.com/iAnonPatriot/status/1852004617791414302



    Donald Trump’s name doesn’t appear on the first screen as an option, on voting machines in California.

    You have to click ‘more’ options to be able to vote for him.

    ????

    — American AF 🇺🇸 (@iAnonPatriot) October 31, 2024


    updated to indicate it's apparently ordered alphabetically

    then there is this:

    https://x.com/AmericaPapaBear/status...23793633419446




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    Voting machines in Kentucky are literally changing the vote from Donald Trump to Kamala Harris.

    This is ELECTION INTERFERENCE!

    Share this video out so everyone can see!
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    My hope is that it does not play out like this, but I know the 'left' has been able to marshal riots and destruction across the US fairly easily before...
    A very compelling forecast.

    If this forecast of what the bastards intend is close enough to accurate, then success (by which I mean Trump taking office ... I'm biased) will depend, as it did in his success in the 2016 election, on the forces behind Trump having a "trump" card or two up their sleeves, that the bastards inadequately anticipate or counter.

    Such a "trump" card (or deck of such cards) can only ever be revealed when and if Trump and the forces behind him are victorious and thus able to write the history books that cast some amongst us as legends.

    My words are neither:
    • Trust the plan, sit back, munch the popcorn and enjoy the show, nor
    • No one can save us, as we can only save ourselves.
    Rather both are essential.

    We are fighting for both
    • the lives, hearts, minds and souls of humanity, and
    • the integrity of a Constitutional government that respects human freedom.
    Our government is granted certain, limited, powers and resources, to accomplish certain national tasks, as best it can in accordance within the will of our people and within its limited powers and resources. Our government should not abuse its powers, not take more power or resources than we allow it. Our government should work on our behalf, not on behalf of some other hidden powers. We task, in part, our national government to support cooperation, treaties and trade with other nations when it is mutually beneficial, and to avoid meddling in the internal affairs of other nations or imposing military force on them, except in so far as it is a necessary defense from just such harm being imposed on our nation.

    We the people do not "get" our freedom from the government. We are individually blessed with that freedom from a higher spiritual order that some call "God". We each, within our abilities, are responsible for our own body, hearts, minds and souls. We, as humans, and like all living creatures, may choose at times to enter into agreements and arrangements with others to accomplish tasks better done or even only possibly done, by multiple people working together.

    "Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived, and so dedicated, can long endure." -- Abraham Lincoln, Gettysburg, Pennsylvania -- November 19, 1863.

    This is a war for our souls. This battle field of that war is at the level of a major national government.

    Both this battle and this war must be won.
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    That's just it... This is plan B if they can't control a Harris victory via the vote. As I see it, there are only two possible outcomes:

    1) The left's handlers pull off 2020 redux and Harris wins via fraudulent vote tally - (there will be massive evidence of it, but does that matter?)
    It would matter ... if the main stream media reports it.

    Given that Washington Post, LA Times and (more recently) USA Today have all, unexpectedly, chosen NOT to endorse Kamala Harris for President, it might be that enough (still mostly covert) changes have been made at the top of the U.S. main stream media power structure that legitimate reports with massive evidence of voting fraud will be reported, at least on some sufficiently influential media, to that audience.
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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by T Smith (here)
    As I see it, there are only two possible outcomes:

    1) The left's handlers pull off 2020 redux and Harris wins via fraudulent vote tally - (there will be massive evidence of it, but does that matter?)

    2) Swamp the vote makes it impossible for Harris to win (this is the argument -- just not so convinced this argument isn't founded on wishful thinking) - the occupiers then declare open war on the America people with the support of a good chunk of occupied institutions, military, and TDS civilians backing the charge.
    It'll be something very much like #2. (You forgot to mention the occupied prosecutors and judges! )

    Some might remember that I wrote this here (long ago!) in December 2023:
    • Biden will suffer a medical event and withdraw from the US presidential race, sometime round June or July.
    • Trump will be able to run for the US presidency. There will be court cases right up to the last moment. Trump will be elected, but this will result in something close to civil war (but not a shooting war).
    You should change the below text to red in your original post that you link to Bill:

    Elon Musk will be assuming a greater political role (or a louder political voice).

    With his attendance at the Trump rallies and his prizes for voters registration, I'd say he's deep into politics now.

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