The World Before our Own

[onawah]

Dark Journalist Daniel Liszt is extremely well versed in the Edgar Cayce readings( and many other related subjects), and he talked about a lot of which is mentioned (following, in Star Mariner's) post in his last episode.
See: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1640351

Keeping up with the most interesting non-mainstream archeological discoveries, it appears that sentient beings (though perhaps not what we think of as "human") may actually have been living on Earth millions of years ago, and likely that there were other civilizations here before Lemuria that were technologically advanced.
Or else perhaps there were advanced ETs living here who were not Earth humans but who eventually became more human-like just by living on this planet, considering that Gaia must have some influence on how beings evolve here.
But it's certainly not a reach to consider that there may have been lots of cross-breeding going on initiated by various ET races that have spent time here.
Liszt also discusses info he's discovered in his research about the possibility that there are still direct descendants of an ancient advanced civilization hidden here on Earth, in places such as Mt. Shasta (where UFO sightings are common)..

Posted by Mark (Star Mariner) (here)
Thanks for sharing Irminsül, and this most interesting thread, Jim.

Cayce shed some light on Ezekiel's close encounter, stating those visitors (messengers) were not alien, but Atlantean, or an ancient surviving faction thereof, that had continued in isolation by itself for thousands of years. An interesting notion, with most fascinating implications.

Atlantean throwbacks - or even other ultra-terrestrial groups - is one of several possible origins of 'godly' encounters recorded in the Biblical story. My opinion in this regard is that the 'Ancient Aliens' hypothesis is sort of half right and half wrong. Yahweh for one may have been one of such ultra-terrestrial factions -- meaning they were Human, just a previous iteration of human from an advanced and far earlier civilization. Primitives at the time naturally perceived them as gods. And they can be forgiven for that. Consider modern alien abductions (which I myself have been subjected to). It's looking more and more likely that this troubling phenomenon, or the vast majority of it, isn't the work of aliens at all, but humans -- it's a military operation conducted for whatever end. Put another way: humans masquerading as aliens is not far removed from humans masquerading as gods, thousands of years ago.

A further point, based literally on nothing but intuition, which itself is based on material gleaned from many sources over the years -- the likely true, original In the Beginning story dates back way before the Atlantean era. If I were to put a date on it, it was approximately 400,000 thousands ago that the first infusion of upgrade DNA transformed the native population (Home Erectus at the time) into modern Homo Sapiens.

That was the beginning of intelligent life on earth; of beings endowed with spiritual sentience (elevating it above the animal kingdom). We can only speculate on our earlier origins (the seeding and the evolution of those indigenous hominids), but the modern human DNA-strand almost certainly sprang from 'out there' (space). Sitchin and others talk about the Annunaki, which roughly translated means 'those who from the heavens came'. I think they probably did (not 6,000 years ago in Sumer, but 400,000 y.a.), and were the genesis (small g) of the real Adam and Eve story.

Allegedly, they came to earth looking for resources. The natives at the time were too primitive to serve their need as a work force, so they upgraded them, and voila...

I think our origin story is far more interesting and complex than even that. We've had several 'upgrades' since, implemented by a variety of ET races, who have stamped their genetic imprint within us, right up to the Lemurian epoch some 200,000 years after the departure (or expulsion) of the Annunaki. In my view Genesis, the story we all know from Judeo-Christian tradition, originates, or stems from, a veritable patchwork of far earlier traditions, dating as far back as half a million years.

[Abondance]

To continue the journey in the Mediterranean, here the parallels between the clues left of UAP in the Bible and the poems Homeric...

Iliad and Bible, same technology?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=22tw-MwpJZo

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Posted by Irminsül (here)
I remember that some researcher/scientist conducted a study of anomalies in Homo sapiens sapiens indicating that we are not only the product of evolution but also of intervention by extraterrestrial intelligences. But I can't recall where I saw that;

I'm not sure if any mainstream scientists have said that, at least none that spring to mind, but various contactee accounts do make mention that humanity is a sort of hybrid of multiple extra-terrestrial DNA sources. Alex Collier, if he's to be believed, is one such contactee who makes a case for that.

Posted by onawah (here)
But it's certainly not a reach to consider that there may have been lots of cross-breeding going on initiated by various ET races that have spent time here.
Liszt also discusses info he's discovered in his research about the possibility that there are still direct descendants of an ancient advanced civilization hidden here on Earth, in places such as Mt. Shasta (where UFO sightings are common)..

The race of people living inside Mount Shasta are a strong candidate for our Atlantean throwbacks. Allegedly, they engaged in quite open contact with locals in the area right up to the early 20th century. They would enter local townships to trade for goods, turning up for example at grocery stores to buy fresh fruit and other general supplies.

They were tall, pale, long-haired, and wore long, brilliant robes (I picture something like the Elves from The Lord of the Rings). They had a quiet, gentle manner, and paid generously for the items they bought. It was well-known by locals these 'strangers' were not normal human people. Being such good customers they let them alone, but kept them at arms length. Though they did speak, they seldom engaged in conversation, and it's said they had the uncanny knack of coming and going without any transport being observed, as though they could appear and disappear at will.

[161803398]

Has everyone seen this: The Origin map a book by Thomas Brophy is about the Nabta Playa complex in the Sahara Desert. The megalithac monuments point to the Heliachal rising of the Orions belt stars and show the distances from earth. It was determined to be a ritual gathering place dating from about 11K years ago. I remember the video being much longer indicating there are older megaliths below this. I always thought this might mark the arrival of our friends from the stars.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=T42nRhpOHBg

[Jim_Duyer]

Posted by Irminsül (here)

Posted by Jim_Duyer (here)

Posted by Irminsül (here)
Hello Jim! Your work on linguistic research is very interesting. The verses you translated provide a somewhat different connotation from their original version, and poetically they are very beautiful. The Bible contains numerous secrets that are still yet to be unveiled. Years ago, I downloaded a doctoral thesis from the Complutense University of Madrid about the book of Proverbs. Much of its content comes from the wisdom of the Egyptian people and the Sumerian, Babylonian, etc.
I’m sharing a page that analyzes the direct translation from Hebrew of the Bible:

http://qbible.com/

Personally, I have been studying certain terms related to spiritual hierarchies that appear in this sacred book for some time. I am particularly interested in the encounter that the prophet Ezekiel had with a being (or beings) from another realm. I have made drawings about it.

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Thanks for your nice comments.

Wonderful drawings - I salute your talent (which I lack). I am especially impressed by your characters handwritten of Hebrew - clear and easy to make out - unlike many others, especially those such as Rembrandt and our older artists, and even William Blake to some extent - all are normally difficult to navigate. Yours I could translate right away - although I have not had the time yet, I will. I did notice, with a sense of happiness of purpose, your use of aleph lamed in the star or sun above the first drawing.

Most scholars don't mention it, but EL was more the God of the northern tribes of Israel and Yahweh of the southern tribes near Judah. El was also the first name, the one used until Moses, for the Creator. After Moses, and the influx of the Kennites (Cainites, sons of Cain tribes), Yahweh became the name used most often.

I find the ancient words entertaining - I have nearly completed the book that I have been working on for several years. Translations were from Sumerian, Ugaritic, Aramaic and ancient Hebrew, along with Old South Arabic - quite a challenge.
But one part of Ezra struck me as funny. He was describing how the advisors to the King of Assyria were learned and yet dull in imagination. He did give them credit for some translations that they had done, but then he cautions that praise with "even she-asses can speak", a reference to Balaam as you may know.

Good luck in your endeavors. Jim

You're welcome, Jim! It's striking to see how many people in the forum are interested in the same variety of topics in a quite specific way. Thank you for your thoughts on my drawings. Honestly, I still need to really develop my technique. I can only create something like this, which I think belongs to the category of iconic illustration. Nevertheless, I am somewhat satisfied with these representations of mine, as they allow me to communicate and express part of my inner world.

From the beginning, I made my "Celestial Messengers" with fire around their heads for what that symbolizes (spiritual light, higher consciousness, direct connection to the divine). But one day I read in a treatise that men are made of dust and angels of fire, which was a nice confirmation.

I knew about the solar deity El and that through syncretism, the Hebrews incorporated it into their worldview. That's why the suffix in the spirits that serve the Creator: GabriEl, MiguEl, RafaEl, etc.

Angelology fascinates me, and it's a subject I've been delving into from time to time. I didn't know about the reference to El and Yahweh regarding the north and south of Canaan; thanks for that info. What topics does the book you are writing cover? Did you study any linguistics-related subjects at university, or did you learn about it independently?

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Sorry I didn't get back sooner - a tree fell and knocked out my internet fiber optic cable.
I called my power company to fix it and they weren't answering - the same storm took out their office and computers! But all good now.

I think you are spot on with the flames, as a way of expressing knowledge or insight. I've no idea how many verses speak of eyes that can see and ears that can hear - most people peg this to the New Testament but it was in the old testament quite frequently as well.

In five books of the OT I found the same story - the apocalypse of Israel that will be upcoming in four years time. I feel a need to publish the details. I am nearly done, but I will be glad when I am - I have three books on aliens, in various stages of completion, and I am really wanting to get them out as well.
Sadly, Floridians get the short end of the stick when it comes to Universities. I had to pay my own way, and I didn't take any courses related to what I am doing now - all of that is self-taught. The long and difficult course. When I went to High School there were five million Floridians. Twelve million more came down - all from the North, and they said "I have already put my kids through school so I will not be voting for any funds for education". So we natives ended up getting third rank educations and no way to get into a decent University. I studied Law and then Economics, and did well in both, but later switched to an MBA program (Business).

I've translated hundreds of tablets in Sumerian, none of them previously translated, and they tell me that the sky-gods were basically visitors from space, and that humans were taken back as slaves to the stars. They describe our original planets of origin, and the sky-gods' as well, and it's something that rings true to me.

One of the few ancient languages that I have managed to not learn is Greek. I believe that it might have soured me on my personal beliefs, which are with Jesus, and without the Old Testament.

In ref to the north and south - North was the Tigris, South was the Euphrates. North was considered non-righteous and evil, while south was righteous. In Exodus it says O Jerusalem, your father was an Amorite and your mother a Hittite. There were two main tribal affiliations in the Amorites (later called Hebrews). One was the BenuYaminites, who are now called the Benjamites, one of the 12 tribes, in the North. The other was the Simalites (spelling?) who went down to Arabia and Jordan when Abraham went along the Mediterranean to Canaan. Later the Cainites, called also Kenites, of Arabia Phoenix, who were of the Northern Aramaic tribes originally, rejoined with Moses and the others to form the 12 tribes. That's where Yahweh came in - he was originally their god when they worked the copper mines for the Egyptian in the Sinai desert area and southern Egypt.

So the book on the Apocalypse (after which, some two to three months, will come the Second Coming and the final battle between light and dark or order and chaos), will be out as soon as I can format it - it will be in print because my last two ebooks were stolen and Amazon did and will do nothing. Bad news - most of the Levant, much of Egypt, all of Israel and the Palestinians will be gone. All four books agree on that. Good news - it will not mean the end of the world, and we don't have to worry too much for the next four years.

With my book and it's clear warnings going out, perhaps some Palestinians and others will have the chance to plan ahead to some extent. But I have the month, the year, and the first third of the month - I don't have the exact date and hour - nobody has that as Jesus said. The word Judah today means Gaza and the occupied territories. So when Jesus says that those in Judah should run for the hills, he wasn't kidding. Is it odd that he had no warning for those in Jerusalem? Not to me it isn't.

Now that I have comms back I will examine your drawings again. Take care, Jim

[Jim_Duyer]

Posted by Mark (Star Mariner) (here)

Posted by Irminsül (here)
I remember that some researcher/scientist conducted a study of anomalies in Homo sapiens sapiens indicating that we are not only the product of evolution but also of intervention by extraterrestrial intelligences. But I can't recall where I saw that;

I'm not sure if any mainstream scientists have said that, at least none that spring to mind, but various contactee accounts do make mention that humanity is a sort of hybrid of multiple extra-terrestrial DNA sources. Alex Collier, if he's to be believed, is one such contactee who makes a case for that.

Posted by onawah (here)
But it's certainly not a reach to consider that there may have been lots of cross-breeding going on initiated by various ET races that have spent time here.
Liszt also discusses info he's discovered in his research about the possibility that there are still direct descendants of an ancient advanced civilization hidden here on Earth, in places such as Mt. Shasta (where UFO sightings are common)..

The race of people living inside Mount Shasta are a strong candidate for our Atlantean throwbacks. Allegedly, they engaged in quite open contact with locals in the area right up to the early 20th century. They would enter local townships to trade for goods, turning up for example at grocery stores to buy fresh fruit and other general supplies.

They were tall, pale, long-haired, and wore long, brilliant robes (I picture something like the Elves from The Lord of the Rings). They had a quiet, gentle manner, and paid generously for the items they bought. It was well-known by locals these 'strangers' were not normal human people. Being such good customers they let them alone, but kept them at arms length. Though they did speak, they seldom engaged in conversation, and it's said they had the uncanny knack of coming and going without any transport being observed, as though they could appear and disappear at will.

I agree with your summary Mark. I've done quite a bit of research on the area from Oregon to Alaska, and particularly with regard to the Natives there. There are reports that have been buried regarding blond haired Eskimo folks, during a very early period of history, along the coast and especially near Mt. Shasta. The reports were done in the early 1900s, and they concerned the pre-Columbus period and earlier. Many, and I mean the majority, of the scholars working in that area and field, have straight and strong connections to the Rockefellers, as does the Caribbean waters where Daniel List believes Cayce is speaking about. He's smart, and as far as I know one of the honest ones.

If you go south from the Bering Straight, down to the west of Hawaii, at about 12 degrees north and 178 (i think it is west longitude but east is right near there - they join at that spot) there was a four or five hundred mile circle under the waters there. It was explored by the NOAA, and I have their underwater photos of it, but then that too mysteriously is no longer available. Luckily I still have them. Anyway, it was on Google maps, but now, alas, that area has been wiped clean as well. I keep the original photos on my desktop.
The university was studying formations of Iridium there, which put me on the scent. (the Scripps Institution of Oceanography) - my spelling is horrible of course.
Anyway, it matches what is written on the temple of the sun at Tiwanaku - over the arch that is, where it says in Amaya that this spot is the center of the world. Well, using a compass and heading west, that spot is the border that would make Tiwanaku the center.
It's very probable that this was an object from space such as an asteroid, meteroid, etc., and if so it would rival the one in Mexico that wiped out the dinosaurs. It could be the one that took out Mu and Lemuria and formed the volcanic circle of fire that surrounds the Pacific to this day.

If you believe that the Bikini Attol texts were nuclear (which I and a group of others do not), then that would be the reason for choosing that site for the tests - to cover it over.
In that same region and vein, the South Carolina islanders had a working script and maths very early on - prior to Columbus as well. The "Missionaries", which we might call searchers after body parts, managed to destroy most all of it but not entirely. A Bishop in Hawaii who opened a Museum also collected a lot of this information and his works are available in the Wayback Archives. He and a few others also pointed out the fact that the Maori had a lot more to them than we now credit them with, but they too were buried - this time by the NZ folks who wanted their lands.
The same type of cane, same species, that they use to make the up to 30 meter balsa-like boats on Lake Titicaca, are also native on Easter Island. They once made boats with them as well. And although the early explorers edited their reports (or someone did for them) the same type of corn, same exact strain, was once found on Easter island and in Peru.

I've read the original reports from the Maya concerning those white people with blue eyes that taught them many things, much the same was reported in Peru, and they say that when they left they went to the West. After burning most of the Mayan writing scrolls the Catholic "Missionaries" changed the word to indicate that they left for the East.

So to understand just "when" all of the messing with our history began, it was prior to the Church, prior to the Masons, prior to our scientists even, and it's almost like they have a club or a group that goes around the world taking care of things that might give the game away, if you know what I mean. The good news is that some few are being contacted, around the world and throughout our history, with parts of the truth. So there is perhaps a weaker but wholly extant second group that tries to help put the truth back in the history of humanity. Or at least that's my "feel-good" hypothesis.

[Jim_Duyer]

Posted by 161803398 (here)
Has everyone seen this: The Origin map a book by Thomas Brophy is about the Nabta Playa complex in the Sahara Desert. The megalithac monuments point to the Heliachal rising of the Orions belt stars and show the distances from earth. It was determined to be a ritual gathering place dating from about 11K years ago. I remember the video being much longer indicating there are older megaliths below this. I always thought this might mark the arrival of our friends from the stars.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=T42nRhpOHBg

Yes! That Sahara area has a great many secrets not yet revealed.
I discovered, some years ago, some information that was too bizarre for me to publish.
Truly. On the images of the gods in Puma Punka, there are three pictures of their main god.
One has six fingers and toes, one four and one normal at five. Would worshipers really not remember which was correct? Would devotees really not have counted his fingers and toes correctly? It's like three pictures of Jesus - one with blond, one red, and one green hair.
Never happened.
So the bizarre part, is that I translated the Amayra writing under this - and it gives compass directions. Yes, as much as 10,000 years old and it gives latitude and longitude.
And it points to an area in Africa in the Sahara region. It was, over 8,000 years ago, full of water there - images on rocks show fish, water birds, crocodiles, etc. And it was the home of the Yoruba folks - the ones that have a history of knowing that Sirius was a triple star, etc.
Their home before they moved south to where they now live.
See how it was too bizarre to use? Even if it was perfectly true, and to me it was - I checked my work many times.
So some things never find print simply because they are too astonishing.
But I agree, that area should be looked at much more thoroughly - and I for one would love to see a native African researcher do it - talk about building native pride - and as an on-scene researcher they could tie in the local lore with evidence and perhaps astound the world.