Trump or Harris: Who Will Win?

[Karl]

Biff will win. (4339)

But there will be much suffering in 'Hill Valley'.

[Lunesoleil]

If you want a different sound , In France, the articles to say that fraud in America is manufactured by conspiracy theorists, go outside, don't watch TV anymore and put down your smartphone, you will have everything to gain.
It can be scary to know that fraud is everywhere on the planet at election time. I was told in comments that Trump is a Trickster and I'll let you guess the rest. So much so that minds are now manipulated by the media. As long as I haven't met a person physically, how can you judge them without knowing them in reality and not behind a computer screen???
In addition: The Maricans have always been big children who stopped at the Lucky-Luke stadium.... Among their writers they have almost no wise men like Socrates or Plato.
It's the big show in America, does it deserve applause?
Really it's not funny, let's hope that there won't be a repetition if we believe Hexagram 29 which comes, The Unfathomable, double trigram on water and these consequences for those who don't know how to behave...


Donald Trump and Kamala Harris

[jaybee]

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I just don't know who to vote for in the poll... I think Trump will get the most votes and be the real winner...but Harris will have masses of illegal votes + be declared the actual winner.... :/

Now Trump has RFK Jr, Tulsi Gabbard, Tucker Carlson and Elon Musk and others working with him.... but especially Bobby Kennedy who has said all the things he will do regarding MAHA.... those who will do anything to stop Trump, will be more determined than ever to stop him...

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I had one of 'those' (short but intense) conversations earlier today...in a communal setting having tea and biscuits with acquaintances....when they stared talking about the US election and tut tutting about Trump - the general theme was that we had the US election coming up but it should be ok if Kamala Harris gets in....we should be ok if that happens....

I thought to myself.... oh gawd here we go...I'll have to say something when I can... when I had the opening I said that I wanted Trump to win and was 100% behind him to be President...
Then came the (expected by me) shock ... when those who totally believe what the MSM says and totally fall for the PSYOP have their brains momentarily fried with the suspicion that ...oh my god we're sitting and having tea and biscuits with a Nazi Supporter.... .... it's not a nice feeling at all... but that's how successful and thorough the PSYOP is and I'm talking about a town in the Midlands in England... not even in America -

One of them sat back, looked a bit defiant and demanded to know WHY I supported him... I knew I only had a few seconds to make a short, semi decent reply ... before the whole thing ran away from me into MSM/PSYOP talking points... .... I managed to say.... 'because he's a good man, a man of God and more into World Peace than the others'..... things went a bit haywire after this but we all kept our cool on the surface but under the surface all sorts of emotions were bubbling... it only went on for about 5 - 10 minutes but it was exhausting -

[Satori]

Posted by jaybee (here)
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I just don't know who to vote for in the poll... I think Trump will get the most votes and be the real winner...but Harris will have masses of illegal votes + be declared the actual winner.... :/

Now Trump has RFK Jr, Tulsi Gabbard, Tucker Carlson and Elon Musk and others working with him.... but especially Bobby Kennedy who has said all the things he will do regarding MAHA.... those who will do anything to stop Trump, will be more determined than ever to stop him...

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I had one of 'those' (short but intense) conversations earlier today...in a communal setting having tea and biscuits with acquaintances....when they stared talking about the US election and tut tutting about Trump - the general theme was that we had the US election coming up but it should be ok if Kamala Harris gets in....we should be ok if that happens....

I thought to myself.... oh gawd here we go...I'll have to say something when I can... when I had the opening I said that I wanted Trump to win and was 100% behind him to be President...
Then came the (expected by me) shock ... when those who totally believe what the MSM says and totally fall for the PSYOP have their brains momentarily fried with the suspicion that ...oh my god we're sitting and having tea and biscuits with a Nazi Supporter.... .... it's not a nice feeling at all... but that's how successful and thorough the PSYOP is and I'm talking about a town in the Midlands in England... not even in America -

One of them sat back, looked a bit defiant and demanded to know WHY I supported him... I knew I only had a few seconds to make a short, semi decent reply ... before the whole thing ran away from me into MSM/PSYOP talking points... .... I managed to say.... 'because he's a good man, a man of God and more into World Peace than the others'..... things went a bit haywire after this but we all kept our cool on the surface but under the surface all sorts of emotions were bubbling... it only went on for about 5 - 10 minutes but it was exhausting -

Thank you for your post.

You’ve summed up the dichotomy very well and hit the main drivers for Harris. Media complicity and manipulation through propaganda. As well as deep-rooted and effective corruption in the election process, not the least of which is vote count manipulation.

The fact that ostensibly sensible people would support Harris speaks volumes about how ignorant, stupid and/or maybe simply pathetically apathetic and complacent they are regarding not only the well being of others, and the communities, but their very well being.

I’m not at all suggesting Trump is a saint, but rather that Harris and her handlers are evil. We have no choice given the choices we face.

At this point they’ve decided they will burn it all down to save their sorry asses from detection, prosecution and punishment, before they let Trump return to what was stolen from we, the people—Trump in the Whitehouse. If and when he returns, the gig is up for many of them. And they know it.

Also, let us not forget that Harris is constitutionally and legally disqualified from even being where she is, ie, running for POTUS. Not a single person voted for her in the democrat primary. Among other crimes the election laws were violated, before a single vote was cast in the general election, to oust Biden and enthrone Harris. Talk about blatant undeniable election interference.

Trump will win. But, distressingly, there is a reasonable probability that they will claim victory for Harris. It will be a lie.

There is also a reasonable probability that they don’t give a ****. That they’ve decided to burn it all down. By “they”, I mean the powers that be. You fill in the blanks about who “they” are.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Jaybee, you're a braver man than I -- or maybe you're just where I was in 2016/2020, when I was confronted with the same dilemma with my ignorant family and friends. I remember one particularly...not heated, but moderately tepid...back and forth with my dear late brother [God rest him], on the case of Donald Trump versus Hilary Rodham Clinton. 'If Hilary wins,' I said to him, 'we're all in a heap of trouble'. To that, he cocked his head, leaned forward in his armchair, and countered: 'Why?'

It brought to mind this now famous meme.



I remember that moment distinctly, and the corner I'd painted myself into.

(Fools rush in where angels fear to tread!)

I had seconds to make my case, and make it a good one. Unfortunately, I failed to make any case at all. Whatever blessings God saw fit to bestow upon me, oration isn't one of them. I ended up pretty much grinding my gears. There simply wasn't anything concrete I could call to mind beyond what my brother would call 'wild and wacky conspiracy theories'.

Many on this board will have heard of Hilary's dark dealings, in and out of government; her ties to the deep state, the Clinton Foundation, and all sorts of other nastiness. But without any facts or figures to hand, I knew I'd be wasting my time. Even Bengazi was too hot to handle in this conversation. My brother was just too 'suburban', too Daily Telegraph, to entertain the idea that establishment politicians - those like Clinton - aren't merely corrupt, but actually evil. Same for MPs on our side of the pond.

It's mystifying when I look back on it. My brother was one of the best, if not the best, man I ever knew, and the smartest. He graduated from LSE for God's sake (London School of Economics), his IQ was sky high, and his knowledge, especially of world events, was encyclopaedic. Yet when it came to 'fringe' ideas and theories he didn't have a single clue.

I've since learned that whenever the conversation turns to politics -- with almost anyone at all -- I'm better off keeping my mouth shut.

For a couple of interesting threads on this phenomenon, see here:

• Why you can't convince your friends of the truth - and what to do about it
• Why humans are unintelligent: it's all about belief

[Satori]

Why do we, you, me and others, feel the compulsion or need to shut our mouths while those expressing their opinions can open theirs?

Speaking for myself, I clam up when I believe what I have to say will fall on deaf ears and would be fruitless. But if I sense even one person has an interest, I venture on.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Posted by Satori (here)
Why do we, you, me and others, feel the compulsion or need to shut our mouths while those expressing their opinions can open theirs?

Because they're not really speaking opinions. Opinions, in my view, are those that have been independently formed -- from study, analysis, reflection. In the political conversations I was describing, I'm rarely ever confronted with opinions. What I am most usually met with is a recording (sometimes word for word) of what they heard or saw on the news, or read in the paper. Debating that is a waste of breath and spit.

Posted by Satori (here)
But if I sense even one person has an interest, I venture on.

This.

[Mike]

Posted by Mark (Star Mariner) (here)
Jaybee, you're a braver man than I -- or maybe you're just where I was in 2016/2020, when I was confronted with the same dilemma with my ignorant family and friends. I remember one particularly...not heated, but moderately tepid...back and forth with my dear late brother [God rest him], on the case of Donald Trump versus Hilary Rodham Clinton. 'If Hilary wins,' I said to him, 'we're all in a heap of trouble'. To that, he cocked his head, leaned forward in his armchair, and countered: 'Why?'

It brought to mind this now famous meme.

Attachment 53991

I remember that moment distinctly, and the corner I'd painted myself into.

(Fools rush in where angels fear to tread!)

I had seconds to make my case, and make it a good one. Unfortunately, I failed to make any case at all. Whatever blessings God saw fit to bestow upon me, oration isn't one of them. I ended up pretty much grinding my gears. There simply wasn't anything concrete I could call to mind beyond what my brother would call 'wild and wacky conspiracy theories'.

Many on this board will have heard of Hilary's dark dealings, in and out of government; her ties to the deep state, the Clinton Foundation, and all sorts of other nastiness. But without any facts or figures to hand, I knew I'd be wasting my time. Even Bengazi was too hot to handle in this conversation. My brother was just too 'suburban', too Daily Telegraph, to entertain the idea that establishment politicians - those like Clinton - aren't merely corrupt, but actually evil. Same for MPs on our side of the pond.

It's mystifying when I look back on it. My brother was one of the best, if not the best, man I ever knew, and the smartest. He graduated from LSE for God's sake (London School of Economics), his IQ was sky high, and his knowledge, especially of world events, was encyclopaedic. Yet when it came to 'fringe' ideas and theories he didn't have a single clue.

I've since learned that whenever the conversation turns to politics -- with almost anyone at all -- I'm better off keeping my mouth shut.

For a couple of interesting threads on this phenomenon, see here:

• Why you can't convince your friends of the truth - and what to do about it
• Why humans are unintelligent: it's all about belief

I've been in a similar situation, only with my older sister, who is also - like your late brother - very smart but almost pathologically resistant to anything outside the MSM. This particular conversation took place shortly before the 2020 election.

When confronted with such a situation, I find myself caught between several worlds, and it makes "winning" the debate a tricky endeavor. Since I was talking to someone who would instantly poo-pah anything outside the MSM, I was now forced to enter the Matrix and construct an argument there, on her terms. Strike 1.

Secondly, I knew that even if I "won" the debate logically, within the Matrix, on her terms, she would still resist everything I had to say, because regardless of how smart someone is, these are largely emotional issues.. and in these situations smart people tend to use their intelligence to creatively twist logic in order to make it correspond to their emotions. Strike 2.

Thirdly, even if I succeeded in penetrating all those defense systems, she'd resent me for it. Stubborn defense systems are usually hiding some insecurities, and now she'd be forced to confront them. Plus, it's just embarrassing to admit you're wrong about something when you've been arguing so passionately the other way. Strike 3.

And that's kind of how it went. She asked me why I was voting Trump, with a kind of thinly veiled indignation. She was also trying very hard not to be smug, but it came thru nonetheless. I was instantly overwhelmed, because I had a million reasons why I was voting Trump, but only a very small window to make my case. So I was trying to mentally distill everything I knew into a palatable sound bite or two, all while avoiding the fringe stuff that I knew would instantly trigger and shut her down. Not too similar to your situation with your brother...

I can't even recall what I said. I think I began by saying something about the Abraham Accords. Very few people are even aware of them, and Trump's role, and my sister was one of them. I began explaining but I didn't even make a dent. Then I moved on to a couple other things, with very little success.

Yuri Benzemov called it perfectly. First, she questioned my motives. And then, when I provided sources for some of my arguments, she questioned my sources. The whole thing was a futile endeavor.

And I resented that I even fell into the trap of defending Trump. The implication was that she had moral high ground, and by beginning on the back foot I played right into it. It's a very tricky situation to be in.

[lunaflare]

No offence to your opinion of your sister, Mike. But how can a person be "smart" if their mind is perpetually closed to another perspective, and there is an unwillingness to think critically? It is interesting to me how we determine intelligence/or smartness in a human being.

[Mike]

Posted by lunaflare (here)
No offence to your opinion of your sister, Mike. But how can a person be "smart" if their mind is perpetually closed to another perspective, and there is an unwillingness to think critically? It is interesting to me how we determine intelligence/or smartness in a human being.

That's a fair (and good) question.

It appears to me that people are letting their intellects become hijacked by their emotions. Weaponizing emotions kind of short circuits the brain.

Fear also prevents us from seeing other perspectives. And pride. The intellect is often no match for them.

[Bill Ryan]

Very slightly off-topic here — and also a little interesting light relief.

Reading all the posts, it grew clear that the question "Who will win?" can mean a number of things. "Who will be formally elected?" "Who will get the most electoral votes?" or "Who will be inaugurated president?" might all be more precise.

There's a relevant personal story to tell here from many years ago, during a time when a close friend, merely a teenager but an extraordinarily gifted person, was going through a period of being most dramatically psychic.

He predicted the results of the UK general election of October 1974, in which the Labour party won by a wafer-thin margin of 3 seats, after a number of very close results in different constituencies which had required time-consuming (and repeated) manual paper recounts.

But my friend had predicted that the narrow Labour victory would be by 5 (five) seats. Not 3.

"Aha", I said, teasing him. "You got that wrong."

His reply was utterly serious. "I was right. They got one of the recounts wrong."

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by Mike (here)

Posted by lunaflare (here)
No offence to your opinion of your sister, Mike. But how can a person be "smart" if their mind is perpetually closed to another perspective, and there is an unwillingness to think critically? It is interesting to me how we determine intelligence/or smartness in a human being.

That's a fair (and good) question.

It appears to me that people are letting their intellects become hijacked by their emotions. Weaponizing emotions kind of short circuits the brain.

Fear also prevents us from seeing other perspectives. And pride. The intellect is often no match for them.

Many of these people are highly intelligent, but cannot be reasoned with or will avoid logic, reason, and common sense at all costs. Those of us that are fully aware that something is absolutely wrong are stricken with mass confusion and fear because we can not find a remedy, cure, or solution to correct something we know is totally destructive to our natural well being....to our society/community, to our loved ones, to our current and or future relationships of all kinds, to our collective human family.

I would almost say their intellects have been highjacked by an ideology through mass programming and or an indoctrination of an extremely well crafted cult like mind control and or hypnotic experiment. This experiment is absolutely weaponized IMO. It's so powerful in can actually change populations, cultures, and destroy families and relationships of all kinds. Many of the deepest aspects of this cult like ideology involved in this massive psyops plays off the deepest parts of human emotion, morals and ethics be damned.

People affected by this mass brainwashing or mass hypnosis burn down cities, abandon family members, friends, and loved ones, destroy relationships, and even kill one another, etc., and no matter how hard they are pressed they can not give a reasonable answer as to why.

I sometimes wonder when we see deranged behavior such as people ripping down statues, throwing people in front of trains, punching women in the face, screaming in the faces of complete strangers, etc., that make absolutely no sense is actually some kind of side effect of the "programming". Perhaps some of these people know deep down inside something is terribly wrong and they snap because they have lost all hope in themselves or humanity as a whole.

Whatever this really is it is completely destroying a reality we all knew well.......

I see this massive psyops very evil and demonic, often playing off the rule of opposites.

To dovetail this post back to the topic of this thread and this election, I believe what we are seeing when it comes to this massive political and social mental breakdown is that it almost doesn't matter who wins the election, the spiritual battle between light and darkness win continue regardless. Whatever is truly happening is way bigger than a well designed government mind-control program, in my opinion it's demonic possession and spiritual warfare. Hell, most of the people in government have fallen victim and have also been highjacked by this demonic spirit and mind disorder.

Trump doesn't seem to have fallen victim to these demons from the unseen realm, that's why I voted for him. He can't save the world but maybe he can buy enough time so humanity may shift directions before it's to late. Kamala is a soldier for the dark side in my opinion. Those that show contempt and hatred towards their fellow human beings obviously have something seriously wrong with them and can't be trusted.

All throughout human history there are writings/records, stories, myths and legends of demons, archons, ET's, giants, or whatever one may want to call them. Humans battling the dark ones in the underworld and spiritual wars. This is what spiritual warfare our ancestors warned us about looks like folks! (And we really haven't seen anything yet!).

[Ewan]

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
Many of these people are highly intelligent, but cannot be reasoned with or will avoid logic, reason, and common sense at all costs. Those of us that are fully aware that something is absolutely wrong are stricken with mass confusion and fear because we can not find a remedy, cure, or solution to correct something we know is totally destructive to our natural well being....to our society/community, to our loved ones, to our current and or future relationships of all kinds, to our collective human family.

Then perhaps we could have a thread discussing the definition of intelligence, as Lunaflare opined here, 'It is interesting to me how we determine intelligence/or smartness in a human being.'

As Mike's sister and your friend clearly were not intelligent by my understanding of the word. The same would apply to my brother in law, (thinks Putin is the most evil man on the planet).

Refusing to look at information because it doesn't fit your preconceptions is actually dumb, but that is the way for the majority it seems.

Anyway, let's get back to Trump or Harris: Who Will Win? -

[jaybee]

Posted by Satori (here)
Why do we, you, me and others, feel the compulsion or need to shut our mouths while those expressing their opinions can open theirs?

Speaking for myself, I clam up when I believe what I have to say will fall on deaf ears and would be fruitless. But if I sense even one person has an interest, I venture on.

Just to add to this....sometimes I might 'say something' sometimes I might not... depending on different things like how strong I'm feeling - the situation etc..... yesterday I felt like I should make the effort to say 'something' - the close proximity of the 2 people and the nearness of the election maybe spurred me on...... but I didn't breeze through it, not by any means..... it kind of ruined my day and my equilibrium - it overshadowed the following hours - because these were people, acquaintances, who could be in my life, on the periphery, for the next few months/years........ as I left on my own heading for the car I thought.....damn !!!..... did I do the right thing or should I have kept my mouth shut?

I debated with myself..asking myself... would you have felt worse if you hadn't spoken up and I came to the conclusion that I would have felt worse ... it was a no win situation - but I reasoned (with myself ....) if Trump can do what he does, even coming millimetres away from literally having his brains blown out... it's a small thing for me to say what I said - I concluded that even that 5 - 10 minutes in a place he'll never visit, involving people he'll never know MIGHT have contributed to the campaign in some obscure spiritual way... :-)

Posted by Mike (here)

Posted by lunaflare (here)
No offence to your opinion of your sister, Mike. But how can a person be "smart" if their mind is perpetually closed to another perspective, and there is an unwillingness to think critically? It is interesting to me how we determine intelligence/or smartness in a human being.

That's a fair (and good) question.

It appears to me that people are letting their intellects become hijacked by their emotions. Weaponizing emotions kind of short circuits the brain.

Fear also prevents us from seeing other perspectives. And pride. The intellect is often no match for them.

re the bolded above.... that must be what's happening - primitive parts of the brain are being hacked into - by passing the intellect...stirring the emotions... I listened to a programme on the radio about ostracization many years ago that helped me - educated me.... and the whole thing about being ostracized is so primitive and powerful that even on the internet involving total strangers or people one will never meet or have real life dealings with - being ostracized is deeply upsetting for people -

The reason being ostracized is so threatening is because it is literally the difference between life and death in a primitive part of the brain - (where ever that is) in a primitive tribe being ostracized would be a death sentence - and in spite of our modern lives we are still primitive in many ways - - if the SHTF and all our comforts were stripped away everything would soon revert to Kill or Be Killed... we'd band together in tribal groups and stick together ....

What I'm leading up to (eventually ...) is that your sister, Mark's late brother and all the others probably feel that they ARE being smart and clever at a deep, unconscious level because they intend to survive... literally survive by NOT being ostracized......by going along with all the BS..... of course in the long run they aren't improving their survival chances but those later levels of survival aren't part of the brainwashing brain hack we are being subjected to ...

going to stop before this turns into a long ramble....

just trying to get to the bottom of why clever people do what they do and say what they say regarding Trump.....

[Mari]

Posted by Mark (Star Mariner) (here)
Jaybee, you're a braver man than I -- or maybe you're just where I was in 2016/2020, when I was confronted with the same dilemma with my ignorant family and friends. I remember one particularly...not heated, but moderately tepid...back and forth with my dear late brother [God rest him], on the case of Donald Trump versus Hilary Rodham Clinton. 'If Hilary wins,' I said to him, 'we're all in a heap of trouble'. To that, he cocked his head, leaned forward in his armchair, and countered: 'Why?'

It brought to mind this now famous meme.

Attachment 53991

I remember that moment distinctly, and the corner I'd painted myself into.

(Fools rush in where angels fear to tread!)

I had seconds to make my case, and make it a good one. Unfortunately, I failed to make any case at all. Whatever blessings God saw fit to bestow upon me, oration isn't one of them. I ended up pretty much grinding my gears. There simply wasn't anything concrete I could call to mind beyond what my brother would call 'wild and wacky conspiracy theories'.

Many on this board will have heard of Hilary's dark dealings, in and out of government; her ties to the deep state, the Clinton Foundation, and all sorts of other nastiness. But without any facts or figures to hand, I knew I'd be wasting my time. Even Bengazi was too hot to handle in this conversation. My brother was just too 'suburban', too Daily Telegraph, to entertain the idea that establishment politicians - those like Clinton - aren't merely corrupt, but actually evil. Same for MPs on our side of the pond.

It's mystifying when I look back on it. My brother was one of the best, if not the best, man I ever knew, and the smartest. He graduated from LSE for God's sake (London School of Economics), his IQ was sky high, and his knowledge, especially of world events, was encyclopaedic. Yet when it came to 'fringe' ideas and theories he didn't have a single clue.

I've since learned that whenever the conversation turns to politics -- with almost anyone at all -- I'm better off keeping my mouth shut.

For a couple of interesting threads on this phenomenon, see here:

• Why you can't convince your friends of the truth - and what to do about it
• Why humans are unintelligent: it's all about belief

HI Mark, your brother may well have been the 'best', his IQ 'sky high' and a grad of the LSE....But in my honest opinion, these are usually red flags for a 'system' brainwashed mind. Anyone who spends a lot of time in academia will have been indoctrinated into establishment mores. I worked for a number of years in the MAFF (now Defra) amongst scientists, and they were thick as planks regarding most things outside their mind-trained Box. Lovely human beings, but not emotionally intelligent and you couldn't have a wide-ranging debate with most of them.
So yes, I understand your and other's frustration. I live near a 'working class' (not a term I like at all, but suits this narrative) council estate and I can tell you that the majority of awake persons in my town of Paignton, come from ' That Lot', as Richard Tice of the Reform party has stated, re the fans of a certain Mr T Robinson.

[apokalypse]

Posted by jaybee (here)
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Now Trump has RFK Jr, Tulsi Gabbard, Tucker Carlson and Elon Musk and others working with him.... but especially Bobby Kennedy who has said all the things he will do regarding MAHA.... those who will do anything to stop Trump, will be more determined than ever to stop him...

that's reason why i say Harris get pick...TBTB won't accept that otherwise all BS.

for me i just let it all play out...the real agenda is after 2024.

[Tam]

Harris will win the popular vote, narrowly. And barely scrape by with electoral college.

Trump will demand a recount. A recount will happen, which will be as painfully drawn out as possible, probably about 2 weeks.

Trump will win by recount, in a similar situation as the 2000 election with Al Gore.

[ExomatrixTV]

• 2024 US Election Voting Anomalies

[ExomatrixTV]

• quote: "My gut feel -- Trump wins. By a pretty clear margin. Here's why:

01. The biggest issue that people face is inflation. The average working family is having a hard time making ends meet. They blame Biden / Harris.
02. The idea that Trump is Hitler is not resonating. In 2020, he seemed more authoritarian. Now, he's surrounded by RFK, Elon, JD, Tulsi etc.. Meanwhile the dems are executing squirrels.
03. People are not into more wars. Democrats seem more hawkish.
04. Kamala is objectively un-appealing. Biden at least was a known entity. Kamala seems like she has a drinking problem. The cackling is horrific.
05. Crypto/Bitcoin people are single issue voters and that will matter.
06. The Electoral college plays in Trumps favor. I think he will get one of WI, MI, PA. Possibly all 3.
07. America loves a comeback. Trump is the comeback kid.

• Slashing Big Government - An Idea Whose Time Has Come!:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=wmSfE2nBEPA

Amid the madness and superficiality of US presidential campaign politics, suddenly there is serious talk about the Federal Reserve and...cutting government spending! Ron Paul's social media blew up over the weekend after Elon Musk invited him to team up, grab a machete, and start slashing two trillion dollars from the budget. Will the enthusiasm hold? Is it suddenly "cool" to talk about monetary policy, out-of-control spending...and the Fed?

[Dennis Leahy]

Hilarious to think that a US president can make the cost of groceries go down. I'm surprised that they haven't included "walking on water" as another campaign promise.


To get back on track with the thread, some democrats are saying that if Trump wins, the democrats in Congress will simply not certify the election, based on the 14th amendment and the democrat "fact" that Trump fomented an insurgency.