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    Default Independently me and Chris Langan have come to the same theoretical conclusion about truth

    In this interesting BBS Radio talkshow interview with Christopher Michael Langan aired on July 15, 2014, Chris Langan (the guy with the world's highest IQ) said something about the nature of truth that made me react like this: This is exactly my theory as well, interesting.

    The theory is that there are truths within truths - truth levels - and that at the lower levels the truths become more and more limited/relative and at the higher levels they become less and less limited/more and more absolute until at the very highest level there is absolute truth.

    Theoretically I expand on this concept in that existence contains of truth levels that have a certain "absolute truth distance" to the highest level and that it is this "absolute truth distance" that is the "density" of a given reality - a bit similar to the gravitational force of a particular reality.

    Because in my NDE I was able to witness that even total peace is at a very limited truth level from a total perspective, the total peace that we perceive as total peace and total truth is still extremely limited by the human perspective/awareness on that, at higher levels there are higher truths, essentially it is the level of love expanding into things beyond our capability of awareness that takes over and brings additional levels of truth at those levels, but ultimately the distance to source decreases and the level of love increases and hence the level of absolute truth increases.

    Since through my NDE I was able to witness that the density distance between our world and the world of peace that I experienced is huge (the world of peace is at a much lighter density, higher level of absolute truth), I have concluded that much of our current understanding about things is true only very relatively speaking and that we are constantly unaware of great amounts of the absolute truths in creation.

    So the difference between say humans on earth and say some ETs from a highly evolved galaxy would be that these ETs would be able to provide us totally new perspectives on things because they are aware of more of/greater portions of the absolute truth and view things in that light, they are coming from a reality where the awareness is bound to a lower level of limitation. They could for instance instantly say when E = mc^2 would fail and why and they could do so with absolute precision at 100% completeness.

    In my NDE I was taught a great cosmic truth: God/source is unconditional love and that creation is an infinite miracle, it was presented to me as an "absolute truth". But what this means is beyond our capability of awareness because our awareness is within limitation. We are aware of a fraction of what that means. In terms of evolving as human beings, becoming less limited and more intelligent, it would be a process of expanding our awareness into what God's unconditional love truly is, to basically overcome our own least limited perspectives on unconditional love and do so collectively to lift our awareness into totally new kinds of realities and become the ETs that can guide other civilizations out there into that light.

    Here is the interview where Chris expands on the topic. (and other interesting topics)

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    Default Re: Independently me and Chris Langan have come to the same theoretical conclusion about truth

    Agreed.

    That's pretty much my philosophy, to the extent I wouldn't call it a theory, but an axiom.

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    Default Re: Independently me and Chris Langan have come to the same theoretical conclusion about truth

    As well as unconditional love being difficult to fully grasp it seems likely that the full substance of concepts like 'freedom' and chance versus predetermination are impossible to grasp from our limited perspective.

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    Default Re: Independently me and Chris Langan have come to the same theoretical conclusion about truth

    Firstly Hi. I'm new to the forum but not to this topic.

    There is nothing we're not capable of comprehending, nor is there anything mysterious about the absolute truth. It is unconditional love, which by virtue of being unconditional is nothing more or less than the idea Allowance, or simply Yes.

    The Absolute truth is Yes, is allowance (acceptance, inclusion). It is the only truly unbreakable principle, thus the only true Law and literally the only "The Truth" since everything that is less than unconditionally allowing is part relative truth and thus part lie. Because relativity itself is manifestation of negation, of exclusion of a part of all that is, an untruth.

    Yes is fundamental. Nothing can exist without first having allowance to exist. Even the condition No requires allowance, ie Yes-No.

    The intelligent universe is a hierarchy of allowance, where a particular "con" choice would not be made at one level of awareness but allowed to be made by lesser awareness, the higher or broader awareness knowing better that each con choice comes with con sequences and served to focus rather then broaden awareness and perspective.

    A Con choice nest is the ego, not the awareness, and it exhibits a propensity to chose cons, be that contrast, condition, containment, construction, contamination etc, just insert any con word you like, they're all consequences of the con choice nest. A pro choice is a choice to change nothing, thus causes no effect. A pro choice is the allowing choice. While Pro choices don't manifest things, they allow awareness to see and to grow.

    Allowance allows dis-allowance, and that is the key to the inherent bias in the universal binary logic of Yes and No towards gross perpetual growth and expansion. Continuum's that get too negate-ive and too restrictive may die off, but those more aligned with allowance prosper and grow forever.

    Love is just allowance. Isn't it obvious? If it can be unconditional then it cannot be anything else. Now why is that so impossible for us limited humans to understand?
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    + 1 on this, White Love. And you explained it so beautifully !
    Wow ! Thanks for this ! Fruity hugs to you.
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    Yes, I guess I should also congratulate you on your discovery. It's no small thing to realise the absolute absolute.
    I tend to get a little incensed every time I hear that same old program " we're incapable"
    There's nothing a human mind is incapable of, because it is perfectly capable of examining and expunging all it's limitations.

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    Default Re: Independently me and Chris Langan have come to the same theoretical conclusion about truth

    Quote Posted by GB_Cobber (here)
    Yes, I guess I should also congratulate you on your discovery. It's no small thing to realise the absolute absolute.
    I tend to get a little incensed every time I hear that same old program " we're incapable"
    There's nothing a human mind is incapable of, because it is perfectly capable of examining and expunging all it's limitations.
    There's nothing a human mind is incapable of, because it is perfectly capable of examining and expunging all it's limitations.
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    Thank you for posting the video & giving us your comments. I had never heard of CTMU before!

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    Default Re: Independently me and Chris Langan have come to the same theoretical conclusion about truth

    • Chris Langan - The Interview THEY Didn't Want You To See - CTMU [Full Version; Timestamps]:

    DW Description: Chris Langan is known to have the highest IQ in the world, somewhere between 195 and 210. To give you an idea of what this means, the average person's IQ is 100 and Albert Einstein's IQ was 160. Chris Langan joins the show to discuss his theory of everything - God - psychedelic drugs - and aliens in this special 2-hour conversation.
    • 00:00:00 Welcome
    • 00:01:25 How Michael heard about Chris and the CTMU
    • 00:01:53 Why is the Smartest Man living on a farm in Missouri?
    • 00:03:30 Getting Frozen out of the Economy
    • 00:04:00 Higher Education
    • 00:08:00 Blue collar lifestyle; bar bouncing; limited opportunity
    • 00:11:30 Becoming an autodidact
    • 00:13:30 Reality is Logico-Geometric
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    • 00:16:50 Does God Exist? Nature of God.
    • 00:20:30 Our relationship with God
    • 00:21:30 Simulation hypothesis; Pantheism v. Panentheism
    • 00:24:30 Reality / Christianity / Consciousness / Quantization of Reality
    • 00:28:10 Free Will; Fixed v. Self-generating array / Metacausation
    • 00:36:00 God in time and space / Heaven and hell / Salvation
    • 00:39:00 Michael and Chris light up cigars
    • 00:40:00 Psychedelics / Angels and demons / The devil
    • 00:45:30 Satan versus Lucifer; their roles and relation to God
    • 00:48:00 The psychology of sin; the devil; the current situation
    • 00:51:00 Soros, Gates; the psychology of the elite
    • 00:52:00 Money system; human utility; grassroots resistance
    • 00:53:00 Do we need another revolution?
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    Firstly Hi. I'm new to the forum but not to this topic.

    There is nothing we're not capable of comprehending, nor is there anything mysterious about the absolute truth. It is unconditional love, which by virtue of being unconditional is nothing more or less than the idea Allowance, or simply Yes.

    The Absolute truth is Yes, is allowance (acceptance, inclusion). It is the only truly unbreakable principle, thus the only true Law and literally the only "The Truth" since everything that is less than unconditionally allowing is part relative truth and thus part lie. Because relativity itself is manifestation of negation, of exclusion of a part of all that is, an untruth.

    Yes is fundamental. Nothing can exist without first having allowance to exist. Even the condition No requires allowance, ie Yes-No.

    The intelligent universe is a hierarchy of allowance, where a particular "con" choice would not be made at one level of awareness but allowed to be made by lesser awareness, the higher or broader awareness knowing better that each con choice comes with con sequences and served to focus rather then broaden awareness and perspective.

    A Con choice nest is the ego, not the awareness, and it exhibits a propensity to chose cons, be that contrast, condition, containment, construction, contamination etc, just insert any con word you like, they're all consequences of the con choice nest. A pro choice is a choice to change nothing, thus causes no effect. A pro choice is the allowing choice. While Pro choices don't manifest things, they allow awareness to see and to grow.

    Allowance allows dis-allowance, and that is the key to the inherent bias in the universal binary logic of Yes and No towards gross perpetual growth and expansion. Continuum's that get too negate-ive and too restrictive may die off, but those more aligned with allowance prosper and grow forever.

    Love is just allowance. Isn't it obvious? If it can be unconditional then it cannot be anything else. Now why is that so impossible for us limited humans to understand?
    Wow, very good thinking/living. Yes, love is allowance, seeing the big picture.

    The funny part is that as I read your text, for all the con s, I unconsciously first read it with the French meaning of the word con, which means stupid in French (I am French speaking).

    Then I realised I was reading in English and therefore it has a different meaning, maybe con-tradicting the French. So I reread your text to finally conclude that con and con are basically, in the acceptance context, the same 🤣
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    Quote Posted by GB_Cobber (here)
    Firstly Hi. I'm new to the forum but not to this topic.

    There is nothing we're not capable of comprehending, nor is there anything mysterious about the absolute truth. It is unconditional love, which by virtue of being unconditional is nothing more or less than the idea Allowance, or simply Yes.

    The Absolute truth is Yes, is allowance (acceptance, inclusion). It is the only truly unbreakable principle, thus the only true Law and literally the only "The Truth" since everything that is less than unconditionally allowing is part relative truth and thus part lie. Because relativity itself is manifestation of negation, of exclusion of a part of all that is, an untruth.

    Yes is fundamental. Nothing can exist without first having allowance to exist. Even the condition No requires allowance, ie Yes-No.

    The intelligent universe is a hierarchy of allowance, where a particular "con" choice would not be made at one level of awareness but allowed to be made by lesser awareness, the higher or broader awareness knowing better that each con choice comes with con sequences and served to focus rather then broaden awareness and perspective.

    A Con choice nest is the ego, not the awareness, and it exhibits a propensity to chose cons, be that contrast, condition, containment, construction, contamination etc, just insert any con word you like, they're all consequences of the con choice nest. A pro choice is a choice to change nothing, thus causes no effect. A pro choice is the allowing choice. While Pro choices don't manifest things, they allow awareness to see and to grow.

    Allowance allows dis-allowance, and that is the key to the inherent bias in the universal binary logic of Yes and No towards gross perpetual growth and expansion. Continuum's that get too negate-ive and too restrictive may die off, but those more aligned with allowance prosper and grow forever.

    Love is just allowance. Isn't it obvious? If it can be unconditional then it cannot be anything else. Now why is that so impossible for us limited humans to understand?
    GB_Cobber thank you for your attempt at philosophising. I have great difficulty with allowing the hardly insightful punning you engage in with the morpheme “con” – and which amusingly and justly is pinpointed by Flash. Philosophy is not possible without a critical stance towards language justified by the fact that all philosophical statements are linguistic statements, i.e. statements made in a language, and that consequently they only allow truths to be perceived through the particular sense-making or meaning filter that the language concerned allows. (Example: Aristotelean logic is quite difficult in languages that do not have a full set of definite and indefinite articles; ancient Greek had that set, but Latin none of it; English has it partially but German has the full set; Arabic has it but Japanese not.) As a matter of principle one should be quite aware of the limits posed to one’s thinking by the language one uses for that thinking – or in which one thinks.

    To me, as a person who knows enough English to make philosophical statements in it, your punning with the syllable "con" is not germane to English at all and hampers the clarity of your reasoning.

    But there is more – and that makes me wonder about the content and intent of your statement (its meaning and what you mean by it): are you aware of the fact that "con" in all those half-Latin, half-French words incorporated into English at one time of its evolution as a language that you quote, is basically the Latin preposition “cum” – and that the meaning of this word in Latin is “together with”? Would that mere fact not rather have to prompt us to develop meaning nodes (also called "words”) to express our meaning impulses (also called "ideas") that embody the Good?

    Especially since – as I developed elsewhere – the historically English (i.e. Germanic Indo-European) words "good", "god" and "gather/together” share the same etymology?
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    • Chris Langan - The Interview THEY Didn't Want You To See - CTMU [Full Version; Timestamps]:

    DW Description: Chris Langan is known to have the highest IQ in the world, somewhere between 195 and 210. To give you an idea of what this means, the average person's IQ is 100 and Albert Einstein's IQ was 160. Chris Langan joins the show to discuss his theory of everything - God - psychedelic drugs - and aliens in this special 2-hour conversation.
    • 00:00:00 Welcome
    • 00:01:25 How Michael heard about Chris and the CTMU
    • 00:01:53 Why is the Smartest Man living on a farm in Missouri?
    • 00:03:30 Getting Frozen out of the Economy
    • 00:04:00 Higher Education
    • 00:08:00 Blue collar lifestyle; bar bouncing; limited opportunity
    • 00:11:30 Becoming an autodidact
    • 00:13:30 Reality is Logico-Geometric
    • 00:14:00 CTMU
    • 00:15:30 IQ
    • 00:16:50 Does God Exist? Nature of God.
    • 00:20:30 Our relationship with God
    • 00:21:30 Simulation hypothesis; Pantheism v. Panentheism
    • 00:24:30 Reality / Christianity / Consciousness / Quantization of Reality
    • 00:28:10 Free Will; Fixed v. Self-generating array / Metacausation
    • 00:36:00 God in time and space / Heaven and hell / Salvation
    • 00:39:00 Michael and Chris light up cigars
    • 00:40:00 Psychedelics / Angels and demons / The devil
    • 00:45:30 Satan versus Lucifer; their roles and relation to God
    • 00:48:00 The psychology of sin; the devil; the current situation
    • 00:51:00 Soros, Gates; the psychology of the elite
    • 00:52:00 Money system; human utility; grassroots resistance
    • 00:53:00 Do we need another revolution?
    • 00:53:30 Globalism; conspiracies; WEF; Young Global Leaders
    • 00:57:00 Donald Trump; 2020 election
    • 00:59:30 What is your political background/beliefs? Demise of the Dems/RINOs
    • 01:02:30 Immigration
    • 01:06:45 COVID / vaccines / Great Reset
    • 01:09:30 Intelligence Agencies
    • 01:11:30 Aliens / Demons / UFOs / CIA / The Devil
    • 01:25:00 Marxism / Academia, higher education
    • 01:26:30 Capitalism v. Monopoly Capitalism
    • 01:28:30 Beauty / Truth / Telesis
    • 01:32:40 Intelligence
    • 01:33:40 Catholicism / Pope
    • 01:35:00 Beauty / Religion in art / Beauty & Truth
    • 01:38:30 The Modern Right / Social engineering / LGBT
    • 01:40:30 Modern philosophers
    • 01:41:30 Classical philosophers; relationship b/w philosophy and religion;
    • 01:45:00 intelligent design; new atheists; good & evil
    • 01:48:00 Participatory observers; faith & knowledge, religion / religious institutions; truth and meaning in life
    • 01:53:30 Transhumanism
    • 01:57:00 What should we do about all this? Getting back to God as individuals and a species
    I loved this interview. It touches a wide range of topics, obviously intelligently enunciated. Although I see God the way he does, I think he is missing a few other levels of creation. But for 3-4D he is quite right. I was writing about polarities needed (gosh, I was 16 then, long time ago) not only to see what truth and God is (by opposition), but also needed to create matter.

    At some levels matter does not exist anymore and then polarities are not needed anymore. Real baddies are therefore rejected at those levels. If Earth itself reaches those levels, baddies cannot survive on/in it. And yes we are our own creation.
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