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    Default Re: 9/11: Truth Still Matters, Over 20 Years Later

    This piece of footage still hugely resonates and it's some wonder that she had survived at all up to that point. Extraordinary. Perhaps she'd made her way down or up from another floor

    Edna Cintron waving from the hole created by.... whatever it was that actually created it....

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    Default Re: 9/11: Truth Still Matters, Over 20 Years Later

    How to wake up a normie...

    After my final awake thanks to the documentary "Loose Change" (version 2004) absolute rare to find today,I do have got some little success (with normies)with a simple argument based on facts from my
    High School experiments...

    I was in a technical school based on "metals", first what you got in your first year (from 6!) was charts from 1 to 10 hardness from metals,temperature grades to melt,etc.
    Then came alloys ,acids,to solder,to melt,to polish and so on...

    Well,to catch their attention first I told them about copper and bronze (hardness 6) supposedly used to build the pyramids in Egypt ...and I told them there are charts from rocks too!
    Various types from granite (normal,pink,black,etc.) and none of them you can work it with bronze tools,ever! a fary tale!

    You should watch their reactions to those facts, priceless! all the scales from their eyes crumbling down!

    Then I began to the results in the "laboratory" experiments...

    Long story short:
    steel melt at 1600 Celsius grades (with constant oxygen,2 seconds without don't melt... ) commercial aviation kerosene burn to maximal 600/800 Celsius...
    And the steel columns from 9/11 weren't naked,but with concrete shrouded ...case closed!

    And don't let us waist our time with building 7, a no brained...

    Eternal peace for all the Demonic forces victims , Judgment day will come for the Demons some day too!

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    Default Re: 9/11: Truth Still Matters, Over 20 Years Later

    A reminder: General Wesley Clark who far from distinguishing himself during the Balkans conflict (he'd tried to persuade British Gen. Jackson to antagonise the Russians by blocking the runway in Pristina, Kosovo (1999), to which Jackson infamously intoned: "I'm not going to start World War three for you!!) redeemed himself subsequently with perspicacious commentary surrounding the planned US Middle Eastern 'expeditions' of the 2000s (still ongoing) and these two videos here should be committed to memory, both recorded after the events of 2001:

    Video 1: a compilation



    Video 2:

    "We're taking out 7 countries in 5 years."

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    Default Re: 9/11: Truth Still Matters, Over 20 Years Later

    Here's an interesting video for anyone that's got four hours (it can be skim-watched). It's essentially September 11th relived via television broadcast. Included is a status monitor showing each of the aircraft's movements in real time, overlaid with air traffic chatter, and a dashboard of other details as events unfolded. Note: events as they are generally understood, and told (in the mainstream), minus any conspiracy angle.

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    9/11 attacks in realtime (dashboard) 7:46am-12:00pm

    The purpose of this dashboard arranged film is to give a better overview on the timeline of the events unfolding on 11 September 2001. The footage and events are synchronized in realtime. The film starts exactly one hour before the first plane hits the World Trade Center.

    The video starts at 07:46:40 am (1h before the first impact).

    The screen is divided into various sectors:

    Live TV broadcast
    TV coverage of different TV stations (ABC, CBS, CNN, FOX, NBC).

    Latest Events
    All event which happened in this time window. Information taken mostly from Wikipedia.

    Timeline Major Events
    27:14 AA11 hijacked
    55:58 UA175 hijacked
    59:55 AA11 crashes into WTC1
    1:03:15 AA77 hijacked
    1:16:17 UA175 crashes into WTC2
    1:41:15 UA93 hijacked
    1:51:01 AA77 crashes into the Pentagon
    2:12:15 WTC2 collapsed
    2:16:26 UA93 crashes in Somerset County, PA
    2:41:37 WTC1 collapsed

    Radio Window
    Indicates when radio of either New York City Fire Department or Air Traffic Control is played.

    Clock
    Actual time during the events in EST Eastern Standard Time (GMT-4).

    Information Board
    Mostly, the board shows the flight paths and positions of the air planes. Also movie footage and photos which could be time-synced are shown. Additional information to the TV footage, audio or events are overlaid.

    Status Monitor
    Status of the airplanes (on the ground, airborne, hijacked, crashed) and buildings which have been impacted (WTC1, WTC2, Pentagon).

    Other events:
    38:03 Radio transmission from terrorist Mohammed Atta aboard flight 11
    47:18 Another radio transmission from terrorist Mohammed Atta aboard flight 11
    50:44 Flight 175 confirms sighting of hijacked Flight 11
    1:02:54 First TV pictures from the attacks are broadcasted
    1:07:47 Near midair collision of United 175
    1:22:05 President Bush gets informed about the second plane hitting the WTC
    1:41:12 Hijackers storm the cockpit on flight 93
    1:43:13 Public statement of President Bush
    1:45:19 Radio transmission from terrorist Ziad Jarrah aboard flight 93
    1:52:20 Another radio transmission from terrorist Ziad Jarrah aboard flight 93
    1:54:25 The photograph "The Falling Man" is taken
    2:28:33 Five stories of the pentagon collapse

    Coincidences and Unusual Connections discovered in retrospect (not intentional foreshadowing):
    9:00 Man in ad saying the he 's not jumping off the building. (Coincidental reference, not intentional foreshadowing)
    13:22 Just after AA11 departed, a TV host says: "We have a breach in security." (Coincidental reference, not intentional foreshadowing)
    16:36 President bush is leaving for his visit to Sarasota, not knowing he will be holding a difficult speech there about the attacks.
    17:00 "Three numbers that can save your life - 911" (Numerical coincidence)
    18:23 An elderly couple is celebrating their 54th year of being married in New York. They got married in 47. 5+4=9, 4+7=11, (9/11) (Numerical coincidence)
    27:55 During the hijacking of flight 11, an ad is showing a paper plane flying low through Manhattan. Inside of the plane is written: I'm on my way. Behind the woman who is throwing the paper plane is an artwork whose shape reminds of the twin towers (Ironic coincidence, not implying intentional foreshadowing)
    31:55 CNN reports about an expansion project for the Capitol in Washington D.C. which was the target of Flight 93. (not intentional foreshadowing)
    38:55 One of the last times the date "September 11th" has been spoken out without the relations to terrorist attacks. The man's voice cracked when he spoke it out. (Coincidental mention, not intentional foreshadowing)
    51:49 CNN advertises a report: "When the big one hits", 8 minutes before flight 11 hits the WTC. (Scheduling coincidence, not implying intentional foreshadowing.)
    52:04 The weatherman says that fortunately the hurricane moves away from the US. If it didn't move away, it may have prevented the terrorists planes taking off that day. (Speculative observation)
    1:00:12 After 9/11, President Bush created the Office of Homeland Security. Tom Ridge, who is shown on screen just seconds after the first plane hit, became the first head of the office. (Historical fact, established in response to 9/11)
    1:02:29 The flying papers flying around in the ad look very similar to the scene happening at the same time at the world trade center. (Observational similarity, not implying intentional foreshadowing)

    Errors:
    1:00:02 / 2:13:27 : The photo on the information board is incorrect. It doesn't show Chief Joseph Pfeifer who made the radio message but his brother Lieutenant Kevin Pfeifer who died on 9/11.

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    Default Re: 9/11: Truth Still Matters, Over 20 Years Later

    This is one of the better stills I've been able to capture of UA175 in flight, prior to impacting the south tower. I grabbed it from the Jennifer Spell footage, one of the lesser known and less frequently seen home videos from that day. It features in the documentary below (well worth watching) at the 1:40 mark.

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    Default Re: 9/11: Truth Still Matters, Over 20 Years Later

    It's a factor that cemented in my mind fairly early on, through months of research, and from experience in music and film, that the idea that any actual passenger airliner was hijacked at all that day was a preposterous idea: really a piece of Hollywood-esque scripting, and nothing more than that. It would have been an absolute doddle to have several months before - maybe even as much as a year - have approached any casting agency with an outline for a movie plot involving hijacked aircraft, and recorded multiple voice-overs employing all sorts of actors in role doing their 'lines', to dub in at appropriate moments during the 'movie'. That happens all the time. No brainer really. This all gets tidied up in post (post-production). And this is what I think actually may have happened.

    This new post by James Corbett in interview with Ted Walter covers the subject of the 9/11 phone calls. I'm sure some familiar themes will be covered but there may be some newer insights too.

    I've only just started listening to this and it'll be interesting to hear what else comes out in the wash. This recorded Sept 22/23, 2024.

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    Interview 1898 – Ted Walter Dissects the 9/11 Phone Calls

    Source: Corbett Report

    Show notes as usual are posted on the landing page, to include:
    - Fog, Fiction and the Flight 11 Phone Calls: PART 1 and PART 2
    Much of that material I'm already familiar with.

    Here's the audio although there's also a video through James' link:

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    Default Re: 9/11: Truth Still Matters, Over 20 Years Later

    Just to add:



    I watched this when it came out a couple of weeks ago. Generally, a good interview/back and forth, but not a whole lot of new info is shared.

    With the strong exception of a piece of research - briefly mentioned in the video - which I hadn't seen before, called Fog, Fiction and the Flight 11 Phone Calls, by a guy calling himself loopDloop. It appeared as a thread on Let's Roll forums years ago, and is no longer available. I had to scour waybackmachine to get a look at it. It covers multiple pages, and lots of images are presented. It took an afternoon to get everything and put it all together, but I got the lot, and copied it all out into a Word document.

    I do believe it's worth it's own thread. It's a large piece of the work, and I think an important one.
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    Quote Posted by Mark (Star Mariner) (here)
    a piece of research - briefly mentioned in the video - which I hadn't seen before, called Fog, Fiction and the Flight 11 Phone Calls, by a guy calling himself loopDloop. It appeared as a thread on Let's Roll forums years ago, and is no longer available. I had to scour waybackmachine to get a look at it.

    I do believe it's worth it's own thread. It's a large piece of the work, and I think an important one.
    Yes, the direct link to the Wayback Machine for anyone tuning in here is accessible via my post above via PART 2.

    Perhaps a separate thread is indeed now needed for this It is as the interview acknowledges one of the areas of 9/11 research given less attention than it ought.
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    Default Re: 9/11: Truth Still Matters, Over 20 Years Later

    • The Last 30 Seconds:

    No study, investigation or expert ever explained the final collapse of the twin towers. They always ignore the last 30 seconds of the collapse.
    The FEMA/ASCE report, ignored the last 30 seconds. The massive NIST report, ignored the last 30 seconds, stopping their investigation at "collapse initiation".
    That’s because all gravity theories attempting to explain the collapse of the twin towers, are impossible.

    0:00 - The Construction
    0:41 - The Destruction
    02:45 - Confusing collapse theories
    05:29 - Official investigations
    09:48 - Nobody is responsible
    10:28 - Is it raining?
    11:15 - It’s about time!
    12:35 - It ain’t over!
    15:32 - Phase 1 - The Visible Roof
    16:05 - The First Volume Destroyed
    16:44 - The Sagging Truss Theory
    18:57 - The Missing Jolt
    20:16 - The Key to Science.
    21:16 - Phase 2 - The Lateral Destruction
    24:13 - Phase 3 - The Standing Core
    26:24 - Out and Down!
    28:12 - Phase 4 - The Falling Core
    30:13 - It’s Difficult to Understand
    30:25 - Blowing off the Dust
    31:09 - The NIST Omission Report
    33:37 - They have to lie.
    34:00 - You will pay for it
    34:41 - The Emperor’s New Cloths
    34:59 - No Expert can explain it
    36:45 - Do you like freedom?
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    Actually experts can and have explained the causes of the destruction of WTC 1, WTC 2 and WTC 7 (not to mention other buildings in the WTC complex) on September 11, 2001. These experts are simply ignored because their opinions and explanations depart from the official, bogus explanations and opinions of the so-called experts who promote the official explanation.

    Nearly 10 years ago my peer reviewed paper on the subject of expert opinion evidence regarding the causes of the destruction of these buildings was published in the Journal of 911 Studies. It stands unrebutted to this day.

    WWW.journalof911studies.com/resources/2015Looney

    Click on “Articles” and scroll down to the article titled “The Cause of the Destruction of the World Trade Center and the Admissibility of Expert Testimony Under the Standards Developed in Daubert v Merrell Dow Pharmaceuticals, inc.”
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    Quote Posted by Tintin (here)
    A reminder: General Wesley Clark who far from distinguishing himself during the Balkans conflict (he'd tried to persuade British Gen. Jackson to antagonise the Russians by blocking the runway in Pristina, Kosovo (1999), to which Jackson infamously intoned: "I'm not going to start World War three for you!!) redeemed himself subsequently with perspicacious commentary surrounding the planned US Middle Eastern 'expeditions' of the 2000s (still ongoing) and these two videos here should be committed to memory, both recorded after the events of 2001:

    Video 1: a compilation



    Video 2:

    "We're taking out 7 countries in 5 years."

    Thank you very much Tintin. Wesley Clark, gradually realising increasingly how his probably once present idealism about the military was betrayed. I find the last small part when, being interviewed already in Obama’s time, he utters the last remnant of his once genuine belief in a beneficent destiny for he US then shaking his head, turns away, not responding – probably because he does not want to compromise himself too much but also as if overcome by sadness — quite moving.

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    Quote Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)
    • The Last 30 Seconds:

    No study, investigation or expert ever explained the final collapse of the twin towers. They always ignore the last 30 seconds of the collapse.
    The FEMA/ASCE report, ignored the last 30 seconds. The massive NIST report, ignored the last 30 seconds, stopping their investigation at "collapse initiation".
    That’s because all gravity theories attempting to explain the collapse of the twin towers, are impossible.

    0:00 - The Construction
    0:41 - The Destruction
    02:45 - Confusing collapse theories
    05:29 - Official investigations
    09:48 - Nobody is responsible
    10:28 - Is it raining?
    11:15 - It’s about time!
    12:35 - It ain’t over!
    15:32 - Phase 1 - The Visible Roof
    16:05 - The First Volume Destroyed
    16:44 - The Sagging Truss Theory
    18:57 - The Missing Jolt
    20:16 - The Key to Science.
    21:16 - Phase 2 - The Lateral Destruction
    24:13 - Phase 3 - The Standing Core
    26:24 - Out and Down!
    28:12 - Phase 4 - The Falling Core
    30:13 - It’s Difficult to Understand
    30:25 - Blowing off the Dust
    31:09 - The NIST Omission Report
    33:37 - They have to lie.
    34:00 - You will pay for it
    34:41 - The Emperor’s New Cloths
    34:59 - No Expert can explain it
    36:45 - Do you like freedom?
    John, this video essay is brilliant. Factually accurate and rhetorically cutting steel. The repetition of the NIST “ignorance” statement which shows it to have been cowardice times 200 — may those people once be held responsible, I would like to say. But even now, just a few years after the facts, when our populations start to understand how they were fooled by the “vaccine czars”, their very rare moments of grasping the extent of their own complicity will suffice for them not to be tempted to bring the real killers to justice. How far less will the Americans then be inclined to “claim damages”, almost 25 years after the facts.

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    Actually experts can and have explained the causes of the destruction of WTC 1, WTC 2 and WTC 7 (not to mention other buildings in the WTC complex) on September 11, 2001. These experts are simply ignored because their opinions and explanations depart from the official, bogus explanations and opinions of the so-called experts who promote the official explanation.

    Nearly 10 years ago my peer reviewed paper on the subject of expert opinion evidence regarding the causes of the destruction of these buildings was published in the Journal of 911 Studies. It stands unrebutted to this day.

    WWW.journalof911studies.com/resources/2015Looney

    Click on “Articles” and scroll down to the article titled “The Cause of the Destruction of the World Trade Center and the Admissibility of Expert Testimony Under the Standards Developed in Daubert v Merrell Dow Pharmaceuticals, inc.”

    I’ve been told that the above link may not work for some. If so, please try www.journalof911studies.com. And go to Articles then scroll down about 5 or 6 articles.

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    Actually experts can and have explained the causes of the destruction of WTC 1, WTC 2 and WTC 7 (not to mention other buildings in the WTC complex) on September 11, 2001. These experts are simply ignored because their opinions and explanations depart from the official, bogus explanations and opinions of the so-called experts who promote the official explanation.

    Nearly 10 years ago my peer reviewed paper on the subject of expert opinion evidence regarding the causes of the destruction of these buildings was published in the Journal of 911 Studies. It stands unrebutted to this day.

    WWW.journalof911studies.com/resources/2015Looney

    Click on “Articles” and scroll down to the article titled “The Cause of the Destruction of the World Trade Center and the Admissibility of Expert Testimony Under the Standards Developed in Daubert v Merrell Dow Pharmaceuticals, inc.”
    I’ve been told that the above link may not work for some. If so, please try www.journalof911studies.com. And go to Articles then scroll down about 5 or 6 articles.
    Here it is:

    http://www.journalof911studies.com/t...pharmaceutical

    And as a PDF:

    http://www.journalof911studies.com/w...eyVol40Mar.pdf

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    Actually experts can and have explained the causes of the destruction of WTC 1, WTC 2 and WTC 7 (not to mention other buildings in the WTC complex) on September 11, 2001. These experts are simply ignored because their opinions and explanations depart from the official, bogus explanations and opinions of the so-called experts who promote the official explanation.

    Nearly 10 years ago my peer reviewed paper on the subject of expert opinion evidence regarding the causes of the destruction of these buildings was published in the Journal of 911 Studies. It stands unrebutted to this day.

    WWW.journalof911studies.com/resources/2015Looney

    Click on “Articles” and scroll down to the article titled “The Cause of the Destruction of the World Trade Center and the Admissibility of Expert Testimony Under the Standards Developed in Daubert v Merrell Dow Pharmaceuticals, inc.”
    I’ve been told that the above link may not work for some. If so, please try www.journalof911studies.com. And go to Articles then scroll down about 5 or 6 articles.
    Here it is:

    http://www.journalof911studies.com/t...pharmaceutical

    And as a PDF:

    http://www.journalof911studies.com/w...eyVol40Mar.pdf
    Thank you Bill!

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    I, along with a great many of you here, have seen perhaps hundreds of hours of footage during research, and we've most probably all seen some footage from the lobby of Tower 2 before - I know I have. But, I don't remember seeing this one before.

    Courtesy Richard Gage via X, posted earlier today:

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    Trump should have a meeting with this man. (Also with the survivors of the USS Liberty...)

    “They Ended My Career To Hide The Truth About 9/11!” - Fmr Congressman Curt Weldon

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    Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11

    Confirmation of what we already know . . .
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