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    Default Re: Complete list of all of Bashar al Assad's crimes

    Check the comments on Moon of Alabama today. I think we can expect the unexpected. The fat lady has yet to sing.

    Syria - Winners and Losers or Both

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2024/1...s-or-both.html
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    Dennis, are you saying that Bashar al-Assad's reign in Syria would be going along fine if he did not oppose Zionist Israel? It seemed to me that Assad had a very harsh authoritarian rule and a violent response to the opposition, which greatly contributed to the start of the civil war in 2011. No matter how you slice and dice it he simply was not a good guy.

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    Dennis, are you saying that Bashar al-Assad's reign in Syria would be going along fine if he did not oppose Zionist Israel? It seemed to me that Assad had a very harsh authoritarian rule and a violent response to the opposition, which greatly contributed to the start of the civil war in 2011. No matter how you slice and dice it he simply was not a good guy.
    Richard, many thanks as always, but from where I sit here just now I've been speed-learning as much as I can about Syria, Assad, and the entire complex situation, and I'm not yet sure that what you say about Assad is true.

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    If Assad/Syria wasn't focused on, manipulated, and targeted for destruction like Libya and Iraq almost everyone wouldn't even know who he was.

    I'm sure Assad wasn't perfect and likely committed several crimes, but I would bet he pales in comparison to many other leaders when it comes to the amount of crimes he committed.
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    Dennis/Bill
    The complexities of the conflict in the Middle East particularly in Syria mean that interpretations of events can enormously vary based on political, ideological, and geopolitical lense that each of us looks through. My personal lens tells me that nobody is innocent in the modern-day Middle East. There are only different levels of guilt and there is enough arrogance on all sides of the equation that it smothers peace before it has a chance to take root.

    I am not posting here to defend Israel or to debate Assad's guilt or innocence, that truly is a no-win situation but I am seeing a metamorphosis in the Middle East. I think most of the Middle East is ready for peace and they are fast approaching change. I also believe the dirty little secret in the Middle East is that most of the key players, such as Saudi, the Emirates and Qatar have had enough of the Palestinian problems. They have had enough of the eternal struggle. This relentless never-ending conflict is now a detriment to their economic and long-term plans. Make no mistake, I am not taking sides here I just saying change is imminent. I also believe that the key players in the Middle East will move the Abrahams Accord forward for a much more economically beneficial and peaceful life for all parties.

    I believe Bashar al-Assad was an obstacle to peace and his removal was necessary and unavoidable.
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    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    Opposed Zionist Israel
    That may be true, or not, I don't know.

    What I do know is that he opposed freemasonry control in the apparatus of the country.

    In my estimation, Zionism is too young for it to be the end of the truth seeking trail. There were secret societies (wealthy and powerful) long before the world encountered Zionism. I cannot believe Zionism popped up and took over those any more than I can believe Hitler popped up and took over the Vatican and the City of London, who helped and financed the 3rd Reich.

    Israel in not, by itself, a wealthy nation. Ok, we can jump to an assumption that worldwide Zionism takes care of that problem but Zionism is just a fat bouncing baby in the big house of 'upside down world' history.
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    Our opinion of Assad was handed to us by the greatest propaganda machine ever, Israel. 99.99999% of everything we ever were told or read about the Middle East was composed and spun by the metastasized Israeli propaganda machine, Mossad, AIPAC, ADL, and major media, film, TV, newspapers, magazines that have Jewish ownership, Zionist ownership, Zionist sympathy. Over and over and over... and over and over... and over... for decades and decades and decades.

    Unless you have made a herculean effort to find out the truth about the Middle East and ALL its nations, you are much worse than clueless - you are programmed. You think you know something - and you know nothing, nothing resembling the truth.

    The "civil war" in Syria was the Mossad and CIA's hired mercenaries. They staged protests, Assad knew it was Mossad/CIA mercenaries, and he ordered the protests to be smashed. That was the biggest "dirt" that the Mossad/CIA had on him, but it wasn't enough, so they hired a choreographer and make-up artists and director to present The White Helmets and The Fake Gas Attack.

    So, the "White Helmets" dance troupe, a Mossad/CIA production, enacted a fake gas attack in Syria during the reign of Trump I. The Mossad/CIA needed to brand Assad as a monster who uses chemical weapons - "against his own people!" (shades of Saddam) It was quickly and convincingly debunked as a fake gas attack (even comedian Jimmy Dore did a show on it), but there were a few USA, Inc. officials that simply ignored the embarrassingly inept and so easily debunked fake "gas attack", and acted on it as ordered by Israel: Then president Trump sent a cadre of warships and fired a number of missiles into Syria (the way a dog pees on a tree to mark its territory, I guess) Then Trump sent enough US soldiers to guard the Syrian oilfields so Israel could continue stealing Syria's oil and Syria couldn't meet its own energy needs, or export oil to help pay for rebuilding the country that Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and Satan Yahoo just destroyed. Trumps troops are still there - and they also control the Syrian agricultural breadbasket, so it has been 100% impossible for Syria to rebuild. This may be the one example of the often tried technique for regime change by the CIA, piss off the population by starvation and sanctions, that worked on some of the population. Israel and the US made damn sure Assad couldn't help the people of Syria. And, as soon as Damascus fell, Israel bombed (with bombs I paid part of) every military area they could find - so Syria will never be able to defend itself again.

    Netflix did a bogus documentary extolling the virtues of the White Helmets. Every "news" organization in the West proclaimed Assad was a dictator and gassed his own people.

    Why the fake gas attack? BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY GOOD BLACKMAIL ON ASSAD. He wasn't a dictator and wasn't hated by his people. That was 95% bullsh!t (I'm sure 5% of a population hates or strongly dislikes its chief executive, but Assad was overwhelmingly appreciated by the people of Syria. Maybe his dad was a dictator - I haven't looked into his story - but Bashar al Assad was trained as a physician in the US and was asked and answered the call to come back to Syria after his father was dead. When Vanessa Beeley went over to Syria and interviewed Assad, Assad took her on a walk through Damascus, unafraid of the Syrian people. Beeley said virtually everyone she spoke with was glad Assad was president. Assad's wife also walked among the people, and reportedly is loved by Syrians.

    Here's Vanessa Beeley's viewpoint on what is happening in Syria. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RughpYQdnss
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    Quote Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
    I'm sure Assad wasn't perfect and likely committed several crimes, but I would bet he pales in comparison to many other leaders when it comes to the amount of crimes he committed.
    That is quite possibly based entirely upon means. If Assad possessed a super power nation to control, who is to say his crimes against humanity could rival anyone in history?



    Believe most people have seen this ideology play out on some scale in their life.

    *just a drop of consideration in the bucket*
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    Default Re: Complete list of all of Bashar al Assad's crimes

    *

    to pick up on a couple of points.....


    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    Our opinion of Assad was handed to us by the greatest propaganda machine ever, Israel. 99.99999% of everything we ever we told or read about the Middle East was composed and spun by the metastasized Israeli propaganda machine, Mossad, AIPAC, ADL, and major media, film, TV, newspaers, magazines that have Jewish ownership, Zionist ownership, Zionist sympathy. Over and over and over... and over and over... and over... for decades and decades and decades.
    agreed - - - - but could we acknowledge that Zionism and Israeli expansion is an aspect, albeit an important aspect, of the NWO take over and establishment of a One World Government aka dictatorship...? A very long term (undemocratic) project plotted + headed by the richest people on the planet - and Jerusalem is thought to be the favoured Headquarters for said Global Government....

    Syria, like Iraq and Libya were earmarked decades ago to be destroyed and regime changed... using fake civil war fomented from the outside - where terrorist groups were/are proxy armies for Western Globalist forces... (behind closed doors they have probably been promised an Islamic State - whether they get one remains to be seen... )



    Quote Why the fake gas attack? BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY GOOD BLACKMAIL ON ASSAD.
    From memory.... I recall that when Trump was on the brink of withdrawing US forces from Syria - something he said he was going to do.....the fake gas attack was quickly got together to put extreme pressure on Trump to not withdraw troops from Syria and to DO SOMETHING... the Globalists didn't want their long term plans for Syria wrecked by a businessman, an outsider, coming into office...

    Trump - new to the job and probably largely unaware of the extent of the skilful manipulation being used on him... went on the media outlets calling Assad a monster and talked about beautiful babies being gassed..... in reality it turned out (as suspected ) it was all a put up job.... and the poor little kids who we saw crying and scared being dramatically hosed down because they'd supposedly been gassed by the 'terrible dictator Assad'....... were in fact being shamelessly used for the fake media production....

    Trump ordered a bit of bombing on Syria in response but there was minimal damage and few deaths (if I remember right)

    Alex Jones actually cried live on air .. over it all...

    Not surprisingly US (aka Globalist) military then stayed in Syria in preparation for what happened the other day - it will be interesting how Trump responds to what's going on because he was always pleased to say he had got rid of...beaten... ISIS in Syria - and now ISIS, Al Qaeda etc are back + in control - with another name, endorsed (for now) by Israel and the West - which is to say..... endorsed by the Globalist Cabal who always covertly planned to rearrange the Middle East - it's governments and borders...

    that's my take on it, anyway....
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    Quote Posted by rgray222 (here)
    I believe Bashar al-Assad was an obstacle to peace and his removal was necessary and unavoidable.
    From https://cnewa.org/
    "But Ellwood told the meeting that Assad was an obstacle to peace because no ”inclusive government” could ever be formed under his rule."

    Are you aware of propaganda in general? I noticed a very obvious well funded anti Assad PR wave hit twitter a week or so ago, I'm sure others noticed it, suddenly everyone was talking exactly like you have been on this thread.
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    Some history, although most readers will already know this. Bashar el-Assad never wanted to be a politician. He was a medical doctor, an ophthalmologist trained in London.

    His father, Hafez al-Assad, the former President of Syria from 1971 until his death in 2000, really was a 'strong man', formerly in the military and a career politician. The plan was always for Hafaz's elder son Bassel to inherit the presidency, but he died in a car accident in 1994. So Bashar tumbled into the role.

    Recently, all reports from everywhere suggest that Bashar had internally pretty much given up the fight for Syria. He appeared (maybe understandably) to be most concerned about his wife's battle with cancer. By all accounts he is truly devoted to her, and her condition was becoming increasingly serious.

    He was invited to (and was expected to attend) the recent BRICS meeting in Kazan, but never went — which surprised and disappointed everyone. It's widely suggested that the reason he never went was that he just didn't want to engage with Turkey's Erdogan, with whom he had political issues going back years and whom he disliked intensely.

    If he had attended, a meeting with Erdogan might have been difficult, but they would have been surrounded by highly able diplomats (including giants such as Lavrov) and despite Assad's reluctance and personal discomfort, it's entirely likely that the current events (precipitated by Erdogan himself, but with the backchannel involvement, support and encouragement of the US and Israel) would not have happened.

    There are also reports, which may well be credible, that Assad had sent his family to Russia before the Jihadi insurrection began on 27 November. He may well have known that all this would surely and unavoidably happen.

    He'd appeared fatalistic about Syria's fate for several months prior, and both Iran and Russia have stated on record that for quite a period before all this they were continually supplying Assad with intelligence, and offering military support in a whole bunch of ways — but that Assad had refused all assistance. There was really nothing further that Iran or Russia could do.

    Whether Assad's many recent mistakes were gross errors of judgement, or whether he was just kind of committing a slow-motion 'suicide' (as if he were clinically depressed, which seems very possible but which I'm not aware anyone has suggested), is unknown. Now he's in Russia with his family, it has to be possible that some kind of high-level formal interview will take place, but maybe not for a month or two, or longer.

    My guess is that if he were ever in a position sometime to tell the whole personal truth on record, he might reveal that he never wanted to be president, he had never really been interested in politics, he held it all together as long as he could as a matter of family honor, but that in the end it was all too much and he ceased being able to cope.

    Alexander Mercouris, himself a Greek and classically trained, has pointed out that in the true Ancient Greek tradition Assad is a tragic hero that all the great Greek philosophers (and maybe also Shakespeare) would have completely understood.

    All he had ever really wanted was to be a good eye doctor, and to live a peaceful and happy life with his beautiful wife.

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    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
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    Second Son Syndrome . . .

    And because of that, Bashar al-Assad was doomed from the very beginning. (William and Harry, Edward VIII and George VI - are there similarities? Second Son Syndrome is a known condition, the same as Middle Child, but in high profile families these conditions and traits will be magnified considerably). Whether Bashar was a weak leader or pragmatist depends on your own viewpoints, but he's survived nevertheless.

    There are some great observations about Assad and Syria both here and on the Israel/etc war thread and perhaps this next comment would be better there but as an observer, Syria is a strategic/pivotal country for anyone with interests in the Middle East, and I just can't see Russia/BRICS letting it go in this manner, can you? It's extremely likely also that any number of strategies and outcomes have been put into AI and although "The only winning move is not to play" may be appropriate, it will nevertheless be ignored. Like the oreshnik missile, there needs to be something else which hasn't yet been considered.

    PS: Interestingly, Donald Trump is also a Second Son.
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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Some history, although most readers will already know this. Bashar el-Assad never wanted to be a politician. He was a medical doctor, an ophthalmologist trained in London.

    His father, Hafez al-Assad, the former President of Syria from 1971 until his death in 2000, really was a 'strong man', formerly in the military and a career politician. The plan was always for Hafaz's elder son Bassel to inherit the presidency, but he died in a car accident in 1994. So Bashar tumbled into the role.

    Recently, all reports from everywhere suggest that Bashar had internally pretty much given up the fight for Syria. He appeared (maybe understandably) to be most concerned about his wife's battle with cancer. By all accounts he is truly devoted to her, and her condition was becoming increasingly serious.

    He was invited to (and was expected to attend) the recent BRICS meeting in Kazan, but never went — which surprised and disappointed everyone. It's widely suggested that the reason he never went was that he just didn't want to engage with Turkey's Erdogan, with whom he had political issues going back years and whom he disliked intensely.

    If he had attended, a meeting with Erdogan might have been difficult, but they would have been surrounded by highly able diplomats (including giants such as Lavrov) and despite Assad's reluctance and personal discomfort, it's entirely likely that the current events (precipitated by Erdogan himself, but with the backchannel involvement, support and encouragement of the US and Israel) would not have happened.

    There are also reports, which may well be credible, that Assad had sent his family to Russia before the Jihadi insurrection began on 27 November. He may well have known that all this would surely and unavoidably happen.

    He'd appeared fatalistic about Syria's fate for several months prior, and both Iran and Russia have stated on record that for quite a period before all this they were continually supplying Assad with intelligence, and offering military support in a whole bunch of ways — but that Assad had refused all assistance. There was really nothing further that Iran or Russia could do.

    Whether Assad's many recent mistakes were gross errors of judgement, or whether he was just kind of committing a slow-motion 'suicide' (as if he were clinically depressed, which seems very possible but which I'm not aware anyone has suggested), is unknown. Now he's in Russia with his family, it has to be possible that some kind of high-level formal interview will take place, but maybe not for a month or two, or longer.

    My guess is that if he were ever in a position sometime to tell the whole personal truth on record, he might reveal that he never wanted to be president, he had never really been interested in politics, he held it all together as long as he could as a matter of family honor, but that in the end it was all too much and he ceased being able to cope.

    Alexander Mercouris, himself a Greek and classically trained, has pointed out that in the true Ancient Greek tradition Assad is a tragic hero that all the great Greek philosophers (and maybe also Shakespeare) would have completely understood.

    All he had ever really wanted was to be a good eye doctor, and to live a peaceful and happy life with his beautiful wife.

    ~~~

    I'm bumping my own post (already!) with this extract from Simplicius the Thinker's long and in-depth piece on this. His entire analysis is well worth reading.
    I hadn't read this when I made my post above. Simplicius says all this rather better, and in more detail, than I had in my post.

    ~~~
    I consider Assad a kind of tragic figure because it appears now in retrospect that while he was a good man and kind leader, he may not have been an effective leader. The reality is that he was never meant to become ruler. He was a simple doctor-in-training while his older, firmer brother Bassel al-Assad, elder son of Hafez, was meant to inherit the throne until he tragically died in a car accident in 1994:
    Bashar al-Assad was not initially destined to become the president of Syria. His older brother, Basil al-Assad, was being groomed for this role by their father, Hafez al-Assad. Basil was seen as the preferred successor and had been prepared for leadership from a young age. However, his life took a tragic turn when he died in a car accident in 1994, which drastically altered the succession plan.

    Following Basil's death, Bashar, who was studying ophthalmology in London at the time, was recalled to Syria. He had to abandon his medical career and quickly adapt to a political and military role. Hafez al-Assad then began to prepare Bashar for leadership by enrolling him in military training and positioning him within the government. Despite his lack of political experience, Bashar eventually succeeded his father as president after Hafez's death in 2000.
    Just look at the eldest son’s training — that’s who was meant to lead Syria:
    Trained in parachuting, he was commissioned in the Special Forces and later switched to the armoured corps after training in the Soviet military academies. He rapidly rose through the ranks, becoming a major and then commander of a brigade in the Republican Guard.
    It can be inferred that Bashar’s lack of training for the role, and his incompatible disposition likely led to his not being a good military commander-in-chief. By all accounts, Assad appeared aloof when it came to the running of his army, leaving everything to his generals which — according to some — resulted in the slow degradation and corruption of many high level military officials. We can never know quite for certain how much blame rests with him, but these are educated deductions based on both sides’ accounts.

    The soft-spoken, mild-mannered, intelligent ruler may not have had the required gravitas to properly thrive in a barbarous region overrun with vicious enemies on all sides. This, along with the many native traitors now condemning him, has led some to express the sentiment that: “Syria did not deserve Assad.” In some ways it feels like no country deserves his kind of thoughtful, temperate leader with such an exemplary and graceful first wife and family.

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    It seems a first step to Greater Israel has now been taken.

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    [Q UOTE=Jaak;1646008]

    [T WEET]1866314025287733413[/TWEET]
    [T WEET]1819637392518619184[/TWEET][/QUOTE]

    Jaak, I was able to see the tweets you included on my phone, but on my computer, your post is completely blank. The TWEET tags just do not work for some of us on the forum.

    I broke up the tags in your post, quoted above, to show what is in your post. It would be great if you'd use the full URL to each tweet, and don't use the forum's "TWEET" tags, so others can see your posts. I thought all 3 of the videos you included were pertinent, and didn't want to just ignore (and not 'thank') your post.


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    Bill, thanks for the clarification in your posts. I was operating 'off the top of my head' with Bashar al Assad's story, (and misremembered his medical specialty and where he trained), and I appreciate the clarifications.


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    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    Complete list of all of Bashar al Assad's crimes

    Opposed Zionist Israel
    Dennis, If your name didn't appear on the post and instead it was posted by a new member, I would have probably thought this person was a Mossad asset.

    I think the easy, but erroneous logic you might be using here is:
    • Putin is an ally of the Assad and the United States hates him, therefore he must be good.

    • Israel says bad things about Assad, therefore he must be a big threat to them.



    I don't believe that are more people imprisoned and tortured for their dissent in the Middle East than there are in Syria. There may be more repressive people in the Middle East (e.g. Mohammed bin Salman, Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia) however, most of the peoples in those nations know that they have to keep in line, do and think as they are told, or they will be crushed by a pile of rocks, so they just STFU.) I don't think any other nation in the Middle East has over a hundred detention centers (kind of like what Alex Jones once claimed Walmarts were going to be used for ) where people are tortured and held for decades without allowing them to communicate to the outside world.

    From the reality of what is going on in Syria, we should be able to see that:
    • Putin is just as much as a carnivorous creature as Henry Kissinger, Zbigniew Brzezinski, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Hilary Clinton, Mike Pompeo, John Bolton, Lindsey Graham, Antony Blinken and Jake Sullivan. Just like his counterparts in the NATO mafia, he is acting on behalf of the oligarchs that got him into power and keep him there, and to a lesser extent, to the people of his nation that fund the war machines (both military and policy making machines) that he operates. The only real difference, is that he is part of a much smaller mafia, although it is gaining more influence in the global neighborhood.

    • Israel loves Assad. He makes some token anti-Israeli statements, but he is happy to let them have the Golan Heights, isn't doing anything to stop their genocide or West Bank land expansion and I think in the coming months we will find our just how much intelligence on Hamas he has given to Israel.

    • The other false narrative that I hope will crumble is that Assad was the only one who could unite his country. As with the Zionist narrative, the assumption is that Arabs are all Moslems who would have murdered all the Christians and Jews (as if there are no Christian and Jewish arabs ) except the Sunnis are so busy killing the Shia and vice versa. I am pretty sure that as things regroup in Syria, the country which has Shia, Sunni, Christians, and Alawites will peacefully come together with one unifying agenda: anti-Zionism.

    Here's a great summary of what the Assad regime really was:

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    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    [Q UOTE=Jaak;1646008]

    [T WEET]1866314025287733413[/TWEET]
    [T WEET]1819637392518619184[/TWEET]
    Jaak, I was able to see the tweets you included on my phone, but on my computer, your post is completely blank. The TWEET tags just do not work for some of us on the forum.

    I broke up the tags in your post, quoted above, to show what is in your post. It would be great if you'd use the full URL to each tweet, and don't use the forum's "TWEET" tags, so others can see your posts. I thought all 3 of the videos you included were pertinent, and didn't want to just ignore (and not 'thank') your post.[/QUOTE]

    Same here, but not just Jaak's. And not Jaak's all the time either. Mystifying . . . .
    "Is there an idea more radical in the history of the human race than turning your children over to total strangers whom you know nothing about, and having those strangers work on your child's mind, out of your sight, for a period of twelve years?" John Taylor Gatto

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