How do you stay informed/Which news outlets do you read?

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I come here.

Avalon is pretty much my one-stop shop as a news aggregator. All the channels, outlets, and podcasts I could ever need are posted on this board. When important stories hit the airwaves, I can be sure to hear about it first right here, from our member-base, then go on to receive excellent coverage, as the facts are whittled down to their base components, sans propaganda, for me to decide what's what.

A good example was the Trump assassination attempt back in the summer. Our analysis of that event was superb; a community-driven deep dive that was possibly second to none for a web forum.

[Ernie Nemeth]

I began curating my news sources when the covid lie began. Then the 2020 election required even more pruning of sources. By then I was down to a mere handful of web sites.

Then October 7th happened.


I now watch only one news source, with two back ups for verification, that's it.


Avalon is no longer one of those.
Yes, it is the Jew Haters here. But speculation about Trump's own hand in his assassination was the proverbial straw.

[Strat]

Ernie did you have a bad acid trip or something? Have you been taking meds? You used to be a solid dude.

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
I began curating my news sources when the covid lie began. Then the 2020 election required even more pruning of sources. By then I was down to a mere handful of web sites.

Then October 7th happened.


I now watch only one news source, with two back ups for verification, that's it.


Avalon is no longer one of those.
Yes, it is the Jew Haters here. But speculation about Trump's own hand in his assassination was the proverbial straw.

Ernie, seriously, what happened to your discernment? You're not as ignorant as that statement. You know the difference between

Judaism
Jews
Israel
Israelis
IDF
Mossad
Zionism

You do know. Why are you pretending not to know the difference?

Let's stop pretending, OK?

Judaism = a religion
Jews = adherents to a religion
Israel = occupying force in Palestine
Israelis = citizens of occupying force
IDF = ruthless psychopathic anti-goyim Israeli military group
Mossad = ruthless psychopathic anti-goyim Israeli "intelligence" service
Zionism = political ideology (that has hijacked the Jewish belief that Jews are superior to all other people, "goyim")

"Then October 7th happened.
I now watch only one news source, with two back ups for verification, that's it."

Is it Haaretz?

Did the 40 babies that were raped, beheaded, and eaten break something in your mind? Has your one reliable website informed you yet that the dead babies story was 100% deliberately fabricated and was calculated to interrupt and bypass your intellect and trigger your emotion-based false rage? Has your one reliable website clued you in that the Mossad/IDF/Israeli government deliberately stood down (like the US govt did on 9/11) and let Hamas waltz in?

Quite frankly, I have actually wondered if someone took over your computer, Ernie. I don't read everything, but as far as I remember, you never got locked into such ignorance before. I do credit the Zionist cabal for their award-winning propaganda machine. They are incredible, truly incredible.

In your mind, underscoring the crimes, the brutality, the false flag, the scope of the psychopathic "retaliation", the lies of the ideology under which the IDF/Mossad/Israel is operating, Zionism, is Jew hating? Jew hating? Jew hating? Shining a light on Zionism is Jew-hating? That's immeasurably ignorant.

Stop it! Stop calling people that see Zionism clearly for what it is as "Jew haters!" Has your one source informed you that the Orthodox Jews, the holy men of Judaism, regularly and constantly say the same thing about Zionism - that it is an evil ideology that has nothing to do with Judaism.

You said somewhere recently that you are being brow-beaten. You are not being brow beaten, you are being called out for supporting Zionism and Israel's lies over Palestine's holocaust. You've been expressing Netanyahu's propaganda.


p.s. I was raised Catholic, and was told - like Jewish kids - that I was in the one and only true church, and so I could be with God in heaven - and everyone else on Earth was going to hell or "purgatory" forever. I knew that was bullsh!t when I was in 2nd grade. It's quite easy for me to see that there is no such thing as a God that loves one group of humans and not the others, so yeah, the Jews are 100% wrong in the main tenet of their religion. Calling bullsh!t on that Jewish ignorant belief isn't hating Jews, either.

[edina]

@ Strat
@Dennis

Why are you jumping to insults?

The question in the OP was "How do you stay informed/Which news outlets do you read?"
NOT an invitation to be insulted because someone disagrees with another person's process.



I had been wondering why I was seeing less of Ernie here at Avalon. And his post gives me a better sense of why that may be. Thanks Ernie, for your authenticity.

[Strat]

Posted by edina (here)
@ Strat
@Dennis

Why are you jumping to insults?

Eat my shorts.

[edina]

Posted by Strat (here)

Posted by edina (here)
@ Strat
@Dennis

Why are you jumping to insults?

Eat my shorts.

No Thank you, not interested.

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by edina (here)
@ Strat
@Dennis

Why are you jumping to insults?

The question in the OP was "How do you stay informed/Which news outlets do you read?"
NOT an invitation to be insulted because someone disagrees with another person's process.



I had been wondering why I was seeing less of Ernie here at Avalon. And his post gives me a better sense of why that may be. Thanks Ernie, for your authenticity.

edina, let me catch you up a little bit:

Did you see my previous public message to Ernie, who was despondent, where I let him know someone cares about him, and that whatever was going on he is still my brother? Have you seen any of Ernies excruciatingly honest postings where he declares himself to be a "beta male" and is ashamed by it? You shouldn't try to rescue Ernie. Ernie is a man and can certainly "defend" himself from what you see as insults. I'll assume you meant well, and it was not just about spanking Strat and me for reacting to Ernie's post. Really, don't emasculate Ernie by swooping in to rescue his feelings - let Ernie answer for himself. Show him the courtesy.

In case you missed it, Ernie just insulted every Avalon member that has posted in the "Israel versus the Middle East" thread, including Bill, who has tried to get Ernie to break his "October 7!" spell.

Note that I cited "ignorance", the ignoring of facts, not "stupidity". Ignorance can be cured by examining factual data or by experience. Stupidity usually follows a man, or woman, to the grave.

There are no "Jew haters" publicly posting any "Jew hate" on Avalon. NONE. No one on planet Earth, no delegate from the UN, no world leader that isn't also a psychopath, is screaming at Netanyahu or the IDF or the Mossad for their war crimes and genocide and psychopathc glee because of Judaism. Judaism has nothing to do with Zionism. (There are a bunch of people at Avalon who DO understand that this is an ethnic cleansing fomented and maintained by Zionists, not an ethnic cleansing fomented by Jews.)

Ernie has had OVER A FREAKING YEAR to check and cross-check and to know that Oct 7th was a false flag operation. Ernie paid attention on Oct 7, 2023, but has given no indication whatsoever that he has ever paid attention to 750,000 Palestinians murdered or forced from their homes at gunpoint, the 75 years of occupation, murder, incarceration, apartheid, bulldozing of homes, spraying raw human sh!t from a riot hose into Palestinian shops and homes, cutting down Palestinians olive trees - their highest nutrient substance, shooting thousands of innocent and unarmed civilian children and women and aid workers and doctors and nurses and press. Thousands of Palestinians have been jailed, and many of them tortured and even sodomized to death - the IDF soldiers brag about it. I've been reporting it for decades, calling it a "slow genocide", or mimicking a "punctuated equilibrium": the murdering of an acceptable amount of Palestinians without causing an international uproar, then "retreating" into only clandestine killing and torture for a while. The Zionists are in full scale genocide now, and someone would have to be in a coma not to see the murder of 100,000 Palestinian men women children and babies and the total destruction of Gaza as a the greatest genocidal war crime since Genghis Khan - all under the guise, the pretense, of trying to retrieve prisoners of war or kill the Hamas guys (that Israel/Mossad deliberately funded into existence to have a defined enemy for the wholesale slaughter.)

No, Ernie doesn't get to get away with declaring that Avalon is a "Jew hater" forum. He doesn't get to insult all of our intelligence, just because he never looked at the big picture and doesn't differentiate between a religion and an ideology.

Plus, I have seen a number of posts from Ernie in the past that show him to be intelligent, so I am publicly calling on Ernie to suspend the emotional block and to ascertain the truth about Palestine and Israel, and the evil of Zionism both from the Zionists in Israel and the Zionists/"Christian Zionists" in the US providing all the munitions for the slaughter. And, to never again accuse Avalon members or staff that are exposing the evil ideology of Zionism as being "antisemitic" or "anti-Jew" or a "Jew hater." That's not "being authentic."

Finally, I am calling out the answer to just exactly who Ernie's trusted source is.

[edina]

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)

Posted by edina (here)
@ Strat
@Dennis

Why are you jumping to insults?

The question in the OP was "How do you stay informed/Which news outlets do you read?"
NOT an invitation to be insulted because someone disagrees with another person's process.



I had been wondering why I was seeing less of Ernie here at Avalon. And his post gives me a better sense of why that may be. Thanks Ernie, for your authenticity.

edina, let me catch you up a little bit:

Did you see my previous public message to Ernie, who was despondent, where I let him know someone cares about him, and that whatever was going on he is still my brother? Have you seen any of Ernies excruciatingly honest postings where he declares himself to be a "beta male" and is ashamed by it? You shouldn't try to rescue Ernie. Ernie is a man and can certainly "defend" himself from what you see as insults. I'll assume you meant well, and it was not just about spanking Strat and me for reacting to Ernie's post. Really, don't emasculate Ernie by swooping in to rescue his feelings - let Ernie answer for himself. Show him the courtesy.

In case you missed it, Ernie just insulted every Avalon member that has posted in the "Israel versus the Middle East" thread, including Bill, who has tried to get Ernie to break his "October 7!" spell.

Note that I cited "ignorance", the ignoring of facts, not "stupidity". Ignorance can be cured by examining factual data or by experience. Stupidity usually follows a man, or woman, to the grave.

There are no "Jew haters" publicly posting any "Jew hate" on Avalon. NONE. No one on planet Earth, no delegate from the UN, no world leader that isn't also a psychopath, is screaming at Netanyahu or the IDF or the Mossad for their war crimes and genocide and psychopathc glee because of Judaism. Judaism has nothing to do with Zionism. (There are a bunch of people at Avalon who DO understand that this is an ethnic cleansing fomented and maintained by Zionists, not an ethnic cleansing fomented by Jews.)

Ernie has had OVER A FREAKING YEAR to check and cross-check and to know that Oct 7th was a false flag operation. Ernie paid attention on Oct 7, 2023, but has given no indication whatsoever that he has ever paid attention to 750,000 Palestinians murdered or forced from their homes at gunpoint, the 75 years of occupation, murder, incarceration, apartheid, bulldozing of homes, spraying raw human sh!t from a riot hose into Palestinian shops and homes, cutting down Palestinians olive trees - their highest nutrient substance, shooting thousands of innocent and unarmed civilian children and women and aid workers and doctors and nurses and press. Thousands of Palestinians have been jailed, and many of them tortured and even sodomized to death - the IDF soldiers brag about it. I've been reporting it for decades, calling it a "slow genocide", or mimicking a "punctuated equilibrium": the murdering of an acceptable amount of Palestinians without causing an international uproar, then "retreating" into only clandestine killing and torture for a while. The Zionists are in full scale genocide now, and someone would have to be in a coma not to see the murder of 100,000 Palestinian men women children and babies and the total destruction of Gaza as a the greatest genocidal war crime since Genghis Khan - all under the guise, the pretense, of trying to retrieve prisoners of war or kill the Hamas guys (that Israel/Mossad deliberately funded into existence to have a defined enemy for the wholesale slaughter.)

No, Ernie doesn't get to get away with declaring that Avalon is a "Jew hater" forum. He doesn't get to insult all of our intelligence, just because he never looked at the big picture and doesn't differentiate between a religion and an ideology.

Plus, I have seen a number of posts from Ernie in the past that show him to be intelligent, so I am publicly calling on Ernie to suspend the emotional block and to ascertain the truth about Palestine and Israel, and the evil of Zionism both from the Zionists in Israel and the Zionists/"Christian Zionists" in the US providing all the munitions for the slaughter. And, to never again accuse Avalon members or staff that are exposing the evil ideology of Zionism as being "antisemitic" or "anti-Jew" or a "Jew hater." That's not "being authentic."

Finally, I am calling out the answer to just exactly who Ernie's trusted source is.

Dennis, your assumptions about my actions are inaccurate. Just so you know. Please don't use me as a way to make back-hand innuendos to further slander Ernie's character.

When I asked why you and Strat were jumping to insults it was for two reasons.
1. If this behavior was a one-off action, I would've left it be. But it's not, it's a predicable pattern.
2. Other people are reading this, and for some reason you seem unaware of how what you write when you salt what you say with insulting adjectives affects other people reading your words.

I genuinely don't understand why the negative slander happens.

I disagree with your assessment that Ernie called Avalon a Jew Hater forum. He said there are jew haters in the forum. And honestly, from the outside looking in, yes, sometimes it appears that way. Objectively speaking, it's probably good for people to have an awareness of that potential.

I don't self-identify as a Jew hater, so it never occurred to me to be offended.
As I read the comments by you and Strat I wondered what Ernie had said in his comment written here in this thread that threatened the two of you to have the reaction you had. What triggered it?

You've explained that, thank you. It's a much better explanation than what Strat offered. He essentially answered a question about why you two were jumping to insults with an insult. Which made me laugh out loud at the irony of it all.

In fact, I was quite surprised with Strat's response to Ernie. It seemed out of character for how I thought Strat usually behaves.

Dennis, will you indulge me and share a link to the post where you showed Ernie such a measure of love and compassion, I've looked for and can't find it. You don't have to share it here. You can just PM it to me, if you will. Thank you in advance.

Also, I looked for when Ernie had called himself a "beta" male. The most recent comment he made using that reference was back in 2020, almost five years ago, and he said it in what seemed to me to a "tongue-in-cheek" manner.

I still thank Ernie for his authenticity. His has as much a right to speak as he sees a situation as you do, as I do, and as anyone else does, without being insulted for it. And if your intent is to be helpful, I don't see how insults helps. You don't have to respond to that, I'm not looking to be convinced.

Anyway, thanks for your answer.
Rest well, and have a good day tomorrow.

[edina]

Bringing this thread back on topic, there's a deluge of information these days. I think the challenge is to sort out a way to not be overwhelmed with the flood of information coming at us.

For me, a part of managing that process is curation.
I've mentioned in other places that I typically use ZeroHedge as my curator of choice. They do a good job.
When I'm pressed for time, which is most days, ZH may be my only news check, ZH and most often Avalon.
Avalon serves as a great curation source because there is such a diversity of people sharing on a wide range of topics here.

I've just recently added 1440 as a curator to try, because my husband shared an article with me listed on one of their daily briefs that he gets via email. It talked about farm equipment GPS systems going haywire during recent solar storms. That's a piece of information I would have missed if he had not seen it at 1440 and it's also relevant to some of my interests. In the process I took a closer look at their daily brief and thought it might be useful for a daily check-in. It's too early to say if it will be useful as a daily curator check.

If not, then it will fall into the myriad of sources I have in my mental side pockets to check in on from time to time as my intuition guides me.

I think podcasts are becoming an important source for deep diving into specific topics, because the long-form format allows for more historical and cultural context. My personal preference for news/information gathering is reading good books. And many podcast guests have also written good books.

It's unrealistic to try to stay on top of everything. Beyond the basic curator check in, I tend to do more a process of "paying attention to what the universe/life/creative forces" brings forward into my current awareness. I tend not to deep dive in a "for entertainment", or superficial manner, I usually focus more, take notes, archive offline, follow up with research when something that stands out to me and take notes on that, archive that offline, as well.

One recent example, a very interesting podcast/video interview I watched was with Candace Owens and Scott Horton. Someone close to me was adamant that I listen to that interview. At the time, I thought to myself, ughh... I don't have time for that. I feel pressed for time nearly everyday. But, I relented. And it was well worth the juggle in my schedule to make time for it.

But it didn't just stop at a casual watch of the interview. It was good enough to engage in on a more deeper level.

Candace had done an earlier interview with Dave Smith. I gather from that interview that Dave Smith had been a regular on Candace's show on the Daily Beast. Dave Smith mentioned Scott Horton, I think they are both libertarian, politically. And it's probably Dave Smith that introduced Candace to Scott.

Similar to Sarah Adams who Shawn Ryan has interviewed several times, Scott Horton is exceptionally knowledgeable about the historical context of what is happening in the Middle East. Their perspectives on the topic are very different from each other, which I like.

Scott has recently written a book, Provoked, that focuses more the Ukraine/Russia arena. He seems to have similar views to what comes up in the Avalon Ukraine/Russia thread here at Avalon. He previously wrote Enough Already, Time to End the War on Terrorism. They are on my reading list now. Along with Sarah's book about Benghazi.

Candace and Scott talked about neocons being Likud... okay, that's an interesting take. And it kinda clarifies the situation in geopolitics. So that's another tangent I will take a closer look at. And in the course of that part of the conversation Scott shared Justin Raimondo's book, Reclaiming the American Right, The Lost Legacy of the Conservative Movement. Evidently, the issue of the Likud party capturing various institution comes up in that book. It's another direction to look a bit deeper into.

In the Dave Smith/Candace interview, there's a mention of Sigmund Freud, Jeffrey Moussaieff Masson and Frankists. I had just read a snippet reference about Freud in another book I'm reading, The Shallows by Nicolas Carr, where Carr is pointing out Freud's early finding on what has now become neuroscience and synaptics. In fact, I pushed The Shallows off my plate to make room for the Candace Owens interviews. That odd dichotomy of Carr's comment and the comments in the Candace interview stayed with me enough that I followed up on that research the next day.

And so it goes. I don't follow one person/source or another, it's more a matter of timing and flow aligned with an inner guidance system set to my personal interests and values. I think this is probably how it works for most people. Curation with trusted sources, in my case, lightly track a wide range of topics, and deep dive as guided from within.

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by edina (here)

Dennis, your assumptions about my actions are inaccurate. Just so you know. Please don't use me as a way to make back-hand innuendos to further slander Ernie's character.

When I asked why you and Strat were jumping to insults it was for two reasons.
1. If this behavior was a one-off action, I would've left it be. But it's not, it's a predicable pattern.
2. Other people are reading this, and for some reason you seem unaware of how what you write when you salt what you say with insulting adjectives affects other people reading your words.

So, you're not just coddling Ernie, you are highlighting my (and Strat's) comments to Ernie (based on Ernie's publicly posted accusation that this forum is "Jew hating"), calling my words slanderous, insulting, and declaring that you (and others) are negatively affected by my words.

Posted by edina (here)
I genuinely don't understand why the negative slander happens.

Your opinion is that you are reading "negative slander", rather than replies to Ernie's bombastic, inflammatory accusation of "Jew haters."

Posted by edina (here)
I disagree with your assessment that Ernie called Avalon a Jew Hater forum. He said there are jew haters in the forum. And honestly, from the outside looking in, yes, sometimes it appears that way. Objectively speaking, it's probably good for people to have an awareness of that potential.

So, what did Ernie post, that I replied to:

"I began curating my news sources when the covid lie began. Then the 2020 election required even more pruning of sources. By then I was down to a mere handful of web sites.

Then October 7th happened.

I now watch only one news source, with two back ups for verification, that's it.

Avalon is no longer one of those.
Yes, it is the Jew Haters here." - Ernie

Well, I disagree with your assessment of what Ernie publicly published about the forum/forum members. Ernie clearly and unequivocally calls out the Avalon forum as NOT a place to "stay informed" because, "it is the Jew Haters here." You are rescuing Ernie's possible hurt feelings, not dealing with the subject matter of Ernie's accusation. In fact, deflecting it. Ernie's false statement is the subject that Strat and I responded to. You appear to be a lot more worried about Ernie's feelings being hurt than the objective truth about what Ernie is posting - repeatedly - showing that he doesn't understand that Zionism and Judaism have nothing to do with one another, and that the evils of Zionism and the Zionists being exposed is not "Jew hating."

Posted by edina (here)
"honestly, from the outside looking in, yes, sometimes it appears that way."

Really? So, you agree with Ernie? Maybe you should start a thread about "Jew hating" expressed on the forum. Search and find all the posts that validate your opinion. Show me I'm wrong, and that Avalon really is a "Jew Hater" forum. Please be sure to distinguish between "anti-Zionism" and "Jew hating", which is what I keep pointing out to Ernie.

Posted by edina (here)
I don't self-identify as a Jew hater, so it never occurred to me to be offended.

Ernie is calling anti-Zionist rhetoric "Jew hating." As I said, I've seen ZERO published "Jew hating" on this forum. It has nothing to do with self-identifying and being offended.

Posted by edina (here)
As I read the comments by you and Strat I wondered what Ernie had said in his comment written here in this thread that threatened the two of you to have the reaction you had. What triggered it?

Threatened? Triggered? Is this your backhanded agenda coming out? Ernie equates anti-Zionism with Jew hating, and accused the Avalon forum members of "Jew hating." That's why I responded. Is that clear enough?

Posted by edina (here)
You've explained that, thank you. It's a much better explanation than what Strat offered. He essentially answered a question about why you two were jumping to insults with an insult. Which made me laugh out loud at the irony of it all.

Strat's reply to Ernie also expressed his amazement that Ernie was acting/posting on the topic out-of-character, that he had always seemed more grounded, more "solid" in the past. I would guess that Strat's reply to you was because he saw you being manipulative and downplaying or even dismissing Ernie's incendiary false accusation (which further underscored Ernie's obvious conflation of anti-Zionism as "Jew hating.") But, you'll have to go to Strat for clarification as to the deeper meaning behind his comment to you.

Posted by edina (here)
In fact, I was quite surprised with Strat's response to Ernie. It seemed out of character for how I thought Strat usually behaves.

Again, you missed the part where Strat was comparing Ernie's current output with his past output.

Posted by edina (here)
Dennis, will you indulge me and share a link to the post where you showed Ernie such a measure of love and compassion, I've looked for and can't find it. You don't have to share it here. You can just PM it to me, if you will. Thank you in advance.

You looked for it? Hmmmmm, that's really strange... If you go to the forum search and type in the word "Ernie", and then put my name in the member name search option, and search for posts, it comes right up. I shouldn't do this, because it really feels like you are insinuating that I'm a liar, as well as deflecting away from the incendiary statement that Ernie actually posted, but here is the post you couldn't find in your search efforts: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1584978

Posted by edina (here)
Also, I looked for when Ernie had called himself a "beta" male. The most recent comment he made using that reference was back in 2020, almost five years ago, and he said it in what seemed to me to a "tongue-in-cheek" manner.

You miss the point. I'm scolding you for rushing in and coddling Ernie's feelings like a mommy. Ernie is a man, let him speak for himself.

Posted by edina (here)
I still thank Ernie for his authenticity. His has as much a right to speak as he sees a situation as you do, as I do, and as anyone else does, without being insulted for it. And if your intent it to be helpful, I don't see how insults helps. You don't have to respond to that, I'm not looking to be convinced.

Anyway, thanks for your answer.
Rest well, and have a good day tomorrow.

Authenticity? Ernie conflates anti-Zionism with "Jew hating", and your "supportive" message is to thank Ernie for his authenticity? How about a nomination for a Pulitzer Prize, too? If Netanyahu says it, it is psychopathic propaganda, but if Ernie repeats it, he should be lauded for his authenticity? Do you know the difference between flattery and a compliment? If you want to say something supportive to Ernie, that's lovely, but don't confuse that your patting him on the back after he expresses his opinion that anti-Zionism is "Jew hating" is supportive of Ernie.

[Ernie Nemeth]

I would reply but your reply is all the reply that's needed.
You've proven my point.

thanks

[edina]

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)

Posted by edina (here)

Dennis, your assumptions about my actions are inaccurate. Just so you know. Please don't use me as a way to make back-hand innuendos to further slander Ernie's character.

When I asked why you and Strat were jumping to insults it was for two reasons.
1. If this behavior was a one-off action, I would've left it be. But it's not, it's a predicable pattern.
2. Other people are reading this, and for some reason you seem unaware of how what you write when you salt what you say with insulting adjectives affects other people reading your words.

So, you're not just coddling Ernie, you are highlighting my (and Strat's) comments to Ernie (based on Ernie's publicly posted accusation that this forum is "Jew hating"), calling my words slanderous, insulting, and declaring that you (and others) are negatively affected by my words.

Posted by edina (here)
I genuinely don't understand why the negative slander happens.

Your opinion is that you are reading "negative slander", rather than replies to Ernie's bombastic, inflammatory accusation of "Jew haters."

Posted by edina (here)
I disagree with your assessment that Ernie called Avalon a Jew Hater forum. He said there are jew haters in the forum. And honestly, from the outside looking in, yes, sometimes it appears that way. Objectively speaking, it's probably good for people to have an awareness of that potential.

So, what did Ernie post, that I replied to:

"I began curating my news sources when the covid lie began. Then the 2020 election required even more pruning of sources. By then I was down to a mere handful of web sites.

Then October 7th happened.

I now watch only one news source, with two back ups for verification, that's it.

Avalon is no longer one of those.
Yes, it is the Jew Haters here." - Ernie

Well, I disagree with your assessment of what Ernie publicly published about the forum/forum members. Ernie clearly and unequivocally calls out the Avalon forum as NOT a place to "stay informed" because, "it is the Jew Haters here." You are rescuing Ernie's possible hurt feelings, not dealing with the subject matter of Ernie's accusation. In fact, deflecting it. Ernie's false statement is the subject that Strat and I responded to. You appear to be a lot more worried about Ernie's feelings being hurt than the objective truth about what Ernie is posting - repeatedly - showing that he doesn't understand that Zionism and Judaism have nothing to do with one another, and that the evils of Zionism and the Zionists being exposed is not "Jew hating."

Posted by edina (here)
"honestly, from the outside looking in, yes, sometimes it appears that way."

Really? So, you agree with Ernie? Maybe you should start a thread about "Jew hating" expressed on the forum. Search and find all the posts that validate your opinion. Show me I'm wrong, and that Avalon really is a "Jew Hater" forum. Please be sure to distinguish between "anti-Zionism" and "Jew hating", which is what I keep pointing out to Ernie.

Posted by edina (here)
I don't self-identify as a Jew hater, so it never occurred to me to be offended.

Ernie is calling anti-Zionist rhetoric "Jew hating." As I said, I've seen ZERO published "Jew hating" on this forum. It has nothing to do with self-identifying and being offended.

Posted by edina (here)
As I read the comments by you and Strat I wondered what Ernie had said in his comment written here in this thread that threatened the two of you to have the reaction you had. What triggered it?

Threatened? Triggered? Is this your backhanded agenda coming out? Ernie equates anti-Zionism with Jew hating, and accused the Avalon forum members of "Jew hating." That's why I responded. Is that clear enough?

Posted by edina (here)
You've explained that, thank you. It's a much better explanation than what Strat offered. He essentially answered a question about why you two were jumping to insults with an insult. Which made me laugh out loud at the irony of it all.

Strat's reply to Ernie also expressed his amazement that Ernie was acting/posting on the topic out-of-character, that he had always seemed more grounded, more "solid" in the past. I would guess that Strat's reply to you was because he saw you being manipulative and downplaying or even dismissing Ernie's incendiary false accusation (which further underscored Ernie's obvious conflation of anti-Zionism as "Jew hating.") But, you'll have to go to Strat for clarification as to the deeper meaning behind his comment to you.

Posted by edina (here)
In fact, I was quite surprised with Strat's response to Ernie. It seemed out of character for how I thought Strat usually behaves.

Again, you missed the part where Strat was comparing Ernie's current output with his past output.

Posted by edina (here)
Dennis, will you indulge me and share a link to the post where you showed Ernie such a measure of love and compassion, I've looked for and can't find it. You don't have to share it here. You can just PM it to me, if you will. Thank you in advance.

You looked for it? Hmmmmm, that's really strange... If you go to the forum search and type in the word "Ernie", and then put my name in the member name search option, and search for posts, it comes right up. I shouldn't do this, because it really feels like you are insinuating that I'm a liar, as well as deflecting away from the incendiary statement that Ernie actually posted, but here is the post you couldn't find in your search efforts: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1584978

Posted by edina (here)
Also, I looked for when Ernie had called himself a "beta" male. The most recent comment he made using that reference was back in 2020, almost five years ago, and he said it in what seemed to me to a "tongue-in-cheek" manner.

You miss the point. I'm scolding you for rushing in and coddling Ernie's feelings like a mommy. Ernie is a man, let him speak for himself.

Posted by edina (here)
I still thank Ernie for his authenticity. His has as much a right to speak as he sees a situation as you do, as I do, and as anyone else does, without being insulted for it. And if your intent it to be helpful, I don't see how insults helps. You don't have to respond to that, I'm not looking to be convinced.

Anyway, thanks for your answer.
Rest well, and have a good day tomorrow.

Authenticity? Ernie conflates anti-Zionism with "Jew hating", and your "supportive" message is to thank Ernie for his authenticity? How about a nomination for a Pulitzer Prize, too? If Netanyahu says it, it is psychopathic propaganda, but if Ernie repeats it, he should be lauded for his authenticity? Do you know the difference between flattery and a compliment? If you want to say something supportive to Ernie, that's lovely, but don't confuse that your patting him on the back after he expresses his opinion that anti-Zionism is "Jew hating" is supportive of Ernie.

Just acknowledging to you that I've read you're post. I disagree with what you claim my intentions are versus what I actually know for myself. And again, the assumptions you make in the process, both to my intentions, and to the effect of what I wrote.

I'm not sure sometimes, that you actually pay attention to what you say, but, I won't belabor the point. Life is short...

Thanks for the link, I had no idea what you were referring to, and I did try to find it. It was over a year ago, I thought, from what you said, that it was more recent. I didn't look that far back. I think you were reading too much in my request for it.

Dennis, I've already moved on... good day to you.

Note Added 11:13: I didn't see Ernie's post just above this one until after I had posted mine. My post is not related to Ernie's. Dennis's response was predictable. And I had already moved on...

[Vicus]

To Know

If something define me is that always wanted to know the "WHY" from everything,to not sound pedantic you can called curiosity too...
To learn the "how" works is learning to know the"why"intentions... and in the dualism world we live on there are only 2... for Good or NOT...

First time in Internet I had devoured information about EVERYTHING I got my fingers on..., in every homepage about whatever topic, they have their"favorite" list too from other homepages... and on and on

Then come the "selection" from them depend your interest, they approach , intent, truthfulness, accuracy,reliability,honesty...

After a while you discern what "new" or different topic is still worth your time ...

I m not fanatic about anything...just a distant observer ...

By now my best approach begin with "sampler" homepages...they sample various topics from different sources and I peak what is interesting for me at that moment...like:

https://rense.com/?En

https://www.sott.net/

and Avalon (many different topics)

For specific topics I got another list (in paper ,not in my browser...) I surf internet as "tourist"modus (NEVER as ADMIN) and "clean" my History,password given, directions,payments ,etc every time I close my browser...

That is.

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
I would reply but your reply is all the reply that's needed.
You've proven my point.

thanks

No Ernie, you've proven my point: that you are conflating anti-Zionist rhetoric for "Jew Hating", just like Netanyahu and AIPAC does. If you want to prove your point, (and show that you understand the difference between Zionism and Judaism), you'll need to actually back up your accusation. I suggest you get together with edina, who also states that she believes she sees "Jew Hating" posts at Avalon.

[Strat]

This will be my last post in here regarding this topic. I used to really like Ernie, we would PM each other really personal stuff, I really had a lot of respect for him. We were trying to lean on each other and help each other. I had no idea he was racist or I never would've confided in him. Sounds corny but it felt like a stab in the back.

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
Mr. Smith:
I am afraid of the Arabs as a group, that is why.

They are our natural enemies. We have bad blood going back millennia. If the Arabs can commit an act of pure evil when they are on the side of right, what can they do when they are not? They cannot be trusted.

I also do not want to live in a caliphate under Sharia law, or worse, be beheaded because I am an apostate. I do not think most understand what is in store for us Christians in the years to come.

All of our lands have been infiltrated and inundated by foreigners who hate us. We suddenly have to defend having white skin - in our white nations! We have to listen to radicals overturn our every cherished tradition.

These foreigners do not play by our rules. No. They come here and leapfrog over established citizens by breaking the laws of our land. They buy their licenses we have to earn without shame. The same licenses that I have been denied!

And then I have to read of the governments concern for POC, People of Color. A direct insult to me personally and to the majority of white-skinned Canadians.

The radicals have radicalized me. I am truly and deeply concerned for the welfare of the white-skinned peoples of the world.

So I don't like the nit-picking. That this war is so special and so obviously wrong. I won't go into the many other wars where no one said more than a peep. They were just as wrong. Israel is not the only nation with a questionable past.
But the dirty Jews and their gestation of the three Abrahamic religions and their stranglehold on business and banking must be evil and must be resisted.

AT LEAST THEY ARE WHITE.

Let this sort of sentiment continue and see where the white race ends up in twenty years...sometimes, who is in the wrong is not the most pressing issue.

My girlfriend is Arab and when I'm better off financially I'm going to propose to her. Hopefully next year. So I take this personally. If I have kids with her then he's saying my wife and kids are his enemy. Whoever wants to defend this can eat a big bag of the stinkiest of wieners.

And saying me insulting someone is a predictable pattern is silly. I only push back, I don't push first. I'm a passionate person but I don't really get mad at internet people. To anyone reading this I promise if you just speak to me like a normal person I'll be nice to you. You don't have to agree with me just don't be mean to me and I will respect you. Don't be scared of getting wet if you want to swim in the sea of insults. I'm not scared. I'll play for a bit then stop because I'm not going to do a back and forth for long. I try to grow as a person and messing with internet people doesn't help this goal, it does the opposite.

If you think I'm crossing the line then report my post. You don't need cranky furrow brows and your hallway monitor belt. As much as I don't like Ernie I have no problem pointing out that Ernie is a real man, he's not scared of me. If you've read his posts over the years you know he's not someone to **** with. So quit coddling him.

Thank you mods for letting this play out. I won't post in here again about this topic or anything off topic. And for what it's worth I'm not mad at Edina and while I don't like Ernie I'm not mad at him, I'm just disappointed. I think in part of 1 he's ignorant and 2 he's had hard things to deal with (which I won't share). When these two combine sometimes the person becomes hateful, and from there weird **** happens. In Ernie's case, racism. If you read up or watch anything about reformed racists there seems to be a consistency that it is rooted in raw hatred because it doesn't logically add up. It's just ignorance and hatred.

Thanks again mods, and again I won't post anything off topic here even if this post is replied to. Much love everyone, take care.

[edina]

Posted by Strat (here)
This will be my last post in here regarding this topic. I used to really like Ernie, we would PM each other really personal stuff, I really had a lot of respect for him. We were trying to lean on each other and help each other. I had no idea he was racist or I never would've confided in him. Sounds corny but it felt like a stab in the back.

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
Mr. Smith:
I am afraid of the Arabs as a group, that is why.

They are our natural enemies. We have bad blood going back millennia. If the Arabs can commit an act of pure evil when they are on the side of right, what can they do when they are not? They cannot be trusted.

I also do not want to live in a caliphate under Sharia law, or worse, be beheaded because I am an apostate. I do not think most understand what is in store for us Christians in the years to come.

All of our lands have been infiltrated and inundated by foreigners who hate us. We suddenly have to defend having white skin - in our white nations! We have to listen to radicals overturn our every cherished tradition.

These foreigners do not play by our rules. No. They come here and leapfrog over established citizens by breaking the laws of our land. They buy their licenses we have to earn without shame. The same licenses that I have been denied!

And then I have to read of the governments concern for POC, People of Color. A direct insult to me personally and to the majority of white-skinned Canadians.

The radicals have radicalized me. I am truly and deeply concerned for the welfare of the white-skinned peoples of the world.

So I don't like the nit-picking. That this war is so special and so obviously wrong. I won't go into the many other wars where no one said more than a peep. They were just as wrong. Israel is not the only nation with a questionable past.
But the dirty Jews and their gestation of the three Abrahamic religions and their stranglehold on business and banking must be evil and must be resisted.

AT LEAST THEY ARE WHITE.

Let this sort of sentiment continue and see where the white race ends up in twenty years...sometimes, who is in the wrong is not the most pressing issue.

My girlfriend is Arab and when I'm better off financially I'm going to propose to her. Hopefully next year. So I take this personally. If I have kids with her then he's saying my wife and kids are his enemy. Whoever wants to defend this can eat a big bag of the stinkiest of wieners.

And saying me insulting someone is a predictable pattern is silly. I only push back, I don't push first. I'm a passionate person but I don't really get mad at internet people. To anyone reading this I promise if you just speak to me like a normal person I'll be nice to you. You don't have to agree with me just don't be mean to me and I will respect you. Don't be scared of getting wet if you want to swim in the sea of insults. I'm not scared. I'll play for a bit then stop because I'm not going to do a back and forth for long. I try to grow as a person and messing with internet people doesn't help this goal, it does the opposite.

If you think I'm crossing the line then report my post. You don't need cranky furrow brows and your hallway monitor belt. As much as I don't like Ernie I have no problem pointing out that Ernie is a real man, he's not scared of me. If you've read his posts over the years you know he's not someone to **** with. So quit coddling him.

Thank you mods for letting this play out. I won't post in here again about this topic or anything off topic. And for what it's worth I'm not mad at Edina and while I don't like Ernie I'm not mad at him, I'm just disappointed. I think in part of 1 he's ignorant and 2 he's had hard things to deal with (which I won't share). When these two combine sometimes the person becomes hateful, and from there weird **** happens. In Ernie's case, racism. If you read up or watch anything about reformed racists there seems to be a consistency that it is rooted in raw hatred because it doesn't logically add up. It's just ignorance and hatred.

Thanks again mods, and again I won't post anything off topic here even if this post is replied to. Much love everyone, take care.

Thank you Strat, context helps.

Not everyone follows everything going on in the forum.

And speaking my own mind, from my own position does not constitute coddling another person.
That's a Dennis conflation.

Note Added 1208: On the matter of what Ernie wrote back in Feb 2024, history hasn't played itself out yet. People will probably be changing their minds back and forth a lot in the coming years.

Strat, best wishes to you and your girlfriend. May you enjoy a beautiful life together.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by edina (here)
I've just recently added 1440

That be here, I presume

• 1440

[Tintin]

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
I would reply but your reply is all the reply that's needed.
You've proven my point.

thanks

No Ernie, you've proven my point: that you are conflating anti-Zionist rhetoric for "Jew Hating", just like Netanyahu and AIPAC does. If you want to prove your point, (and show that you understand the difference between Zionism and Judaism), you'll need to actually back up your accusation. I suggest you get together with edina, who also states that she believes she sees "Jew Hating" posts at Avalon.

From a Tom London, and this is only being posted here by me as an example, an important one, and not intended to inflame anyone, or anything

---

"I’m a 63 year old British Jew.
Shamefully, until my 50s, I was an unreflective “liberal” Zionist. That was how I was brought up

BUT then I realised (what should have been obvious) that Zionism is an indefensible racist ideology. Jews are given more rights than non-Jews

Palestinians have been ethnically cleansed & murdered by the army & institutions of the State of Israel for decades

---

Source: https://x.com/TomLondon6/status/1870565920038679039

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[Tintin]

Posted by ThePythonicCow (here)

Posted by edina (here)
I've just recently added 1440

That be here, I presume

• 1440

That looks like a very good resource: thanks, both, for highlighting it