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    Question What are 'Truthers' in the Truth Movement Really?


    • My personal definition/description of the "truth movement" or "truthers movement"
    After researching all kinds of conspiracy claims/theories & proven conspiracies throughout recorded human history studying all kinds of suppressed news in (almost) all levels of our society for 34 years now, I noticed more and more people use the term "truthers" & "truth-movement" shortly after 9/11 (September 11, 2001 and what the day before that happened).

    These "911 truthers" are a mixed bag of different kind of genuine critical thinkers questioning the mainstream pushed narrative. These critical people are literary from "all walks of life": left & right, old & young, Christians & atheists, (religious & nonreligious), highly educated & "common sense (streetwise) people", government insiders whistleblowers, military experts, Architects & Engineers, Pilots for 911Truth and on and on and on ... and most of them were triggered to question even more other government pushed narratives >>> some of them already did, but, so many explained that when 911 happened everything changed for them to questioning every narrative fed by mainstream systems like mass media, education, government and big corporations.
    • Slowly the 2001 "911 truthers" changed in to just "truthers" or "truth movement" and all new peoplewho joined this mixed-bag "truther-movement" who are born after lets say 1990 are in it for other legit reasons.
    Knowing all this, you have to realize it is far more complex & multilayered than just a bunch of "weirdo's" or "conspiracy nuts" or "conspiracy theorists allegedly spreading 'dangerous' mis & dis-information" ...
    • That kind of deliberate false framing or false labeling is done to obstruct any honest open (constructional) inquiring discussions. Obvious blatant obstructing justice!
    The alleged "dangerous" assumption is not necessary for humanity as a whole, but rather those who fear losing control & power over the masses, seeking any excuse to demonize anyone being highly critical.

    Some of their tools are to falsely frame a group of truther activists is to use (deep state government?) "Agent Provocateurs" deployed by asection of the FBI or Police to infiltrate the resistance to make or push them to do things that are illegal and violent. These instigators are often masked, sometimes easily exposed as FEDS or Police by the type of boots they are wearing. That happened multiple times in the USA & Canada ... Nowadays they learned their lessons and prevent from being easily exposed.
    • There are even reports that when "agent provocateurs" fail, they just do it themselves, masquerading as "resisters" or "activists" then showing a display of illegal actions & violence.
    When that happens, they can count on the mass-media to show these atrocities/illegal deeds to set the narrative "how dangerous" these "truthers" suppose to be. Thus, having the excuse, they needed to come up with all kinds of so-called "solutions" (new laws) to combat "dangerous" mis- & dis-information.

    These "false framing tactics" are not new, they are just counting that the majority of the masses falls for it and do not date to question their reasoning/judging.

    So when you try to expose any of this with concrete evidence and tons of examples even coming from some mainstream sources in the past ... they willfully chose to act dumb about it then accusing you of spreading "dangerous conspiracy theories" while they are the ones having the manufactured theories fitting the tunnel vision pushed narratives.

    Some are dumb and just do not care to find out what really happened. Some are smart but act dumb about it. Some are dumb and blindly trust what they are spoon-fed to them, especially so-called "authorities". Some are smart and good people, trusting the corrupt often psychopathic people and being used by them to help & assist their sinister agenda, exploiting "good will" talents & "expertises". Some just do not care as long as they do not lose their jobs. Some insiders know exactly what is going on but are afraid to share that to the masses. Some believe anything they are told, because it makes them feel "important" and being part of something bigger ... the: "I want to belong" syndrome. Some see questioning authorities as "evil". Some want to get out of the corrupt system but can not afford to do so due to many personal private family obligations. Most are just plain incompetent to face reality and letting others do "the thinking" for them.

    And I can go on and on and on and on how many different types of people within the corrupted hijacked system keeping it going as it is >>> until something happens that triggers a revolt from within.
    • It is like a "pyramid" house of cards that has a weak foundation and sees anything exposing it is as "dangerous". And yes, for THEM it is but not for humanity as a whole. Gaslighting the ones can see how fragile their "powers" are, like in the movie "They Live" quote: "I got one that can seeeeeee!!!"

    To go back to the main topic, "the truther movement" being a mixed bag of all kinds of people ... I added insights that may help millions worldwide, who are part of this "truther movement":
    • First, be aware, most who are part of this truther movement questions everything, including the assumptions of prominent leader figures and successful alternative media personalities. They just consider (not "believe") different points of view that can help with their own quest or journey, what is going on in the world today.
    • Second, know that most are well aware that government paid trolls posing as "activists" online DO EXIST, and they even can play both sides using multiple social media fake accounts. I have to look for my old articles I have written about this issue, soon to be added here.
    • Third ... false accusations of being "controlled opposition" (which does exist) can be done by certain one-dimensional "truthers" that does not like other truthers how they operate or does not trust anyone being successful ... So when anybody starts a website exposing alleged "controlled operation" some tunnel vision "truthers" will pick that up repeating one-liners thinking they are "so smart" doing that. Look at me, "I do not fall for the deception" by (falsely) accusing X or Y as "controlled opposition" is a form of "virtue signaling" without real evidence but based upon certain "self-made up logic" and anyone challenging or questioning that is "helping" the "controlled opposition". Fascinating rhetorical psychology! What if part of all the accusations or insinuations are instigated by trolls ... and then fall for the deceptions rethoric trolls inserted, claiming to "not to fall for the deceptions", lol ... You got to love the irony.
    • Forth, long time ago (2007-2013) I started "Project Infopowerment" Network on YouTube having many different kinds of truthers YT channels working & helping each other if they lose their YouTube channel ... 45+ Small, Medium & Big truther YT channels help promote a "backup channel" making a trailer or teaser or just an announcement or featuring someone else video sometimes also re-uploading it. With great success, to gain back the subscribers that were lost! ... The slogan I used was: "Different Kind of Unity Against Tyranny".
    15 years ago (stats changed over time drastcially upward) before I joined Project Avalon Forum ... I asked all participents to mark copy the text below on their Truther YouTube channel, quote:

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    All eXposing & dismantling NWO Mafia Tyranny in their own unique way.
    Appreciating DIFFERENT angles & tactics. Being different is not a “crime”, staying in your own integrity being appreciated for your talents. We do not have to agree on everything, as long as we do not impose or hijacking other channels to force 1 issue or 1 group (demonizing & generalizing). We need a different kind of unity against tyranny. We can inspire & motivate each other in so many ways, KEY is: allowing each-other to be different as complementary forces helping the network to counter any abuse & distractions of the real issues at hand.

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    • Fifth, to me being a "truther" does not "always" mean to have "the absolute & only ultimate end all be all truth" <<< anyone questioning that assumption that suppose to be "wrong" ... It is much more like we are just "Truth Seekers" questioning lies sold by so-called "authorities" imposing stuff on us because of the believed lies & false tunnel viison pushed narratives ... Also exposing corruption and demand the real truth from our so-called "authorities" micromanaging (controlling) millions. What I call the "over the top control freaks of the pathetic parasite class".
    The best quality of any "truther" is to ask better (hard) questions that mainstream media refuse to ask.


    • What is worse?
    01. People who work for mainstream media afraid to ask the hard questions?
    02. People who work for mainstream media refuse to ask the hard questions?
    03. People who work for mainstream media acting dumb, thus NOT asking the hard questions?
    04. People who work for mainstream media are actually too dumb (severely incompetent) to ask the hard questions?
    05. People who work for mainstream media deciding what pushed tunnel vision narratives to blindly follow, of course, almost always without any hard questions.
    06. People who pay them to do most, or all, of the above!
    07. People who believe what the mainstream media claims without using their own discernment skills.
    08. People who believe mainstream media as their only "trusted source" digesting "government approved narratives" spoon-fed to them ... repeating it like a dumb parrot to their friends/family/colleagues network.
    09. People who uses mainstream sources (corrupt "fact-checkers" sites included) to judge & condemn Alternative Media Networks.
    10. People who do not want to be held accountable for their own quality of "thinking", reasoning, judging etc. etc.
    • NO WONDER, MOST OF OUR SOCIETY IS A COMPLETE MESS!
    When Nazis used labels on certain people to justify to do "necessary" evil ... it is very weird to see woke & far-left doing the same mob-tactics: ... label people: "racists" then "all is allowed" to fight them!

    >>> and when all harm is done, they really do not care if it was based upon false accusations, because it was all done for a "good cause".

    Any generalization for or against will never do justice to the full spectrum of the unaltered/unedited truth! ... But they do not care, their hive mind, group think, collectivism is the perfect excuse to hide behind: "they told me to think (judge) like that" >>> NOT taking any responsibility, for their own quality of thinking/reasoning and act accordingly with huge consequences.

    Being highly critical of rampant unchecked mass immigration policies FORCED by EU/WEF - #Agenda2030 is NOT "evidence" of being a racist.

    So many people of color who also suffer from rampant unchecked mass immigration policies are against the madness too! ... It is a mixed group of people who are totally FED UP with what is going on right now! ... But the mass media refuses to be honest about this and refuses to report ALL sides without the need to misrepresent them.



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    Default Re: What are 'Truthers' in the Truth Movement Really?

    John. did you ever think truth could be so difficult?

    speaking for myself, I feel the end result and the story leading up to it should add up, correlate and make sense.
    I questioned Sandy Hook. Not so much if kids were killed or not. I didnt know, i wasnt there. But i studied it as it happened and the story just didnt add up. Why not I thought?

    a friend of mine challenged me and said he and his wife spoke to a parent of a child killed. Thats hard to go up against.

    He said, so you see? , end of story, it was real. Well my response was, ok I get it, but JFK was killed as well and we know that .
    End of story? not quite

    There were so many lies and contradictions to the Sandy Hook story and if it happened and the kids were killed, then something about reality doesnt work. There is the story and there are the facts that do not match. Why not?

    If your son takes your beautiful new all white lexus out for a drive and returns with the entire side scraped and damaged, and you ask him, what happened? and he says, dad, some dark blue sports car swerved into me, but the damage on the car shows bright red paint, what do you do? You want so bad to believe your son, but the facts show something else

    I seek the truth. the truth of what happened in all things. We strive to make sense in our world

    Today, I feel what I call the Vince McMAHONization has taken hold on us all. As with pro wrestling, no one cares if its real.
    But i do
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    Default Re: What are 'Truthers' in the Truth Movement Really?

    Many of the posts from the Elena Danaan thread could apply here. In fact there's a lot of overlap on many of the threads atm, almost as though it's all coming together, but perhaps I'm just being fanciful . . .

    Quite a lot of "mainstream truthers" (lol, is that a contradiction in terms) have fallen by the wayside over the years, or their truth has been diluted, either by saying the wrong thing or even consorting with the wrong people. People like Linda Mouton Howe, for instance; I've never really taken her seriously because of her ties with Alfred Webre who I find odious for some reason. While this may seem unreasonable, I feel there's an underlying reason why I'm repulsed by some people and it just hasn't become apparent yet.

    Truthers come and go over the years, but a constant for me is David Icke, even though I don't always agree with everything he says.
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    Default Re: What are 'Truthers' in the Truth Movement Really?

    Yes David Icke is an interesting case, I recognize some similar insights which he expressed in the early part of his 'awakening' - he was clumsy about it and had not yet learned to present his ideas in a way that did not confront the 'Normies' quite so dramatically, he became more skilled as a communicator, but as I say I underwent a similar download and crisis where I organically understood that the world/history/science/culture was not as presented to me in my education: he had great courage and I admire his ability to survive the ridicule he experienced. Because Icke was a classic 'Normie" who had been a BBC sports journalist, he was treated much worse than if he was a totally unknown person. It is all the more impressive that David Icke went on to build his audience despite the laughter and gross ridicule. For me 'Truthers' are just good old fashioned critical thinkers who dare to question the mainstream narratives: this used to be valued, but has become heresy, and cancel culture targets-Critical thinking is not as easy as it is described.

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    If I have to estimate how much % of the millions within the "truth-movement" of all kinds worldwide like: conspiracy researchers, suppressed news researchers, genuine authentic whistleblowers, dissidents, rebels within corporatism, resistors of any WEF pushed tunnel vision narratives etc. how many of them have NO COMPASSION anymore for "the stupid" and/or "the brainwashed" aka "sheeple" and/or "the new normals" helping to speed up the WEF mass enslavement agenda and/or "group think collectivists" and/or "the woke people" and/or "the mainstream media NPCs" and/or "NeoLibs/NeoCons" and/or "The NeoMarxists" and/or the "Transhumanists" or and/or the "Technocrats" and/or the "Unelected Control Freaks of The Parasite Class" and anyone that helps them and/or "MSM Parrots" and/or "The Mass Hypnotized" ...
    • I would say, now in 2024, more than 50% have NO COMPASSION anymore ... for the simple reason that the (soon to be full-blown) tyranny is now super obvious & self-evident and the majority have no patience to study the endless BS assumptions that the mass conditioned love to repeat.
    And when they (the 50+ %) are sarcastic, they really do not give a fxck being perceived as being "mean" or "rude" or "not nice" or "blunt" or "not loving & kind" ... the legit anger & rage of so much horror & losing freedoms openly encouraged by the "new normals" who first claimed that it was all "dangerous conspiracy theories" meanwhile it is exactly unfolding as predicted ... not only that, the ones that laughed at conspiracy researchers are now part of doing what they claim "will never happen" ... That, and so much more, is why so many are TOTALLY FED UP with them.

    What I hope to do with this new Project Avalon Forum Thread is to mix genuine COMPASSION for the uninformed (including to those who refuse to be informed because of fear & incompetence to deal with what is really going on, mostly hiding behind corrupt "fact-checkers sites").

    For me, it so important not to fall for legit rage & anger that easy, although for some it may work to allow themselves to be heard, even if you "upset" others, try to outsmart defeatism, outsmart "victim mentality", go beyond the very predictable righteous reactionary behavior.
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    Default Re: What are 'Truthers' in the Truth Movement Really?

    Mike Gorman, we tend to think alike. And correct regarding truthers being good old fashion critical thinkers.
    today however??

    In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. g orwell

    John / Best wishes with the book.Thanks for all the content in your posts. Good work and needed ,
    we all will do our part

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    Quote Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
    John / Best wishes with the book. Thanks for all the content in your posts. Good work and needed ,
    we all will do our part
    Quote Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
    John. did you ever think truth could be so difficult?
    Thanks, good question!
    Written today, thanks to you @doug

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    Default Re: What are 'Truthers' in the Truth Movement Really?

    The truth movement is controlled, they hijack semi awake humans minds, and misderect them, giving them some truths, but ultimately leading them to misinformation.

    Leading truthers such as david icke and alex jones are plants/agents.

    As a general rule any so called truther with significant mainstream exposure is controlled.

    The world's a stage.
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    Default Re: What are 'Truthers' in the Truth Movement Really?

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    The truth movement is controlled, they hijack semi awake humans minds, and misderect them, giving them some truths, but ultimately leading them to misinformation.

    Leading truthers such as david icke and alex jones are plants/agents.

    As a general rule any so called truther with significant mainstream exposure is controlled.
    No need to follow anyone, only consider broadening (y)our horizon of possibilities ...

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    Quote Posted by Merlinus (here)
    The truth movement is controlled, they hijack semi awake humans minds, and misderect them, giving them some truths, but ultimately leading them to misinformation.

    Leading truthers such as david icke and alex jones are plants/agents.

    As a general rule any so called truther with significant mainstream exposure is controlled.
    Give me a while to reply LOL

    I could be here all day with evidence for my point .

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    The truth movement is controlled, they hijack semi awake humans minds, and misderect them, giving them some truths, but ultimately leading them to misinformation.

    Leading truthers such as david icke and alex jones are plants/agents.

    As a general rule any so called truther with significant mainstream exposure is controlled.
    Give me a while to reply LOL

    I could be here all day with evidence for my point .
    no worries, that was just a warming up, before the marathon
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    Default Re: What are 'Truthers' in the Truth Movement Really?

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    Give me a while to reply LOL
    Well, I'll reply in the meantime.

    Quote Posted by Merlinus (here)
    Leading truthers such as david icke and alex jones are plants/agents.
    Alex Jones may possibly be (at least concerning his unflinching and unapologetic support for Israel over the years).

    David Icke is not
    . I know him personally, and have spent several weeks with him day in, day out.

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    Default Re: What are 'Truthers' in the Truth Movement Really?

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    Give me a while to reply LOL
    Well, I'll reply in the meantime.

    Quote Posted by Merlinus (here)
    Leading truthers such as david icke and alex jones are plants/agents.
    Alex Jones may possibly be (at least concerning his unflinching and unapologetic support for Israel over the years).

    David Icke is not
    . I know him personally, and have spent several weeks with him day in, day out.

    I will give some brief points

    Icke first found fame on nuk television

    Icke visited a psychic who told him he was on Earth for a purpose and would receive messages from the spirit world.[9] This led him to claim in 1991 to be a "Son of the Godhead"[5] and that the world would soon be devastated by tidal waves and earthquakes

    Yes icke claimed to be son of God, roughly speaking.


    Icke is a former politician, BBC employee, professional SPORTSperson etc, literally brought forth from the system, he allegedly exposes.

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    Default Re: What are 'Truthers' in the Truth Movement Really?

    So icke, allegedly a serious truther, former politician, former sportsperson, who has appeared on mainstream British media, many times, has his books sold in mainstream UK book stores etc

    Is our friend??

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