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    Default Re: Vehicles are way over priced

    I forgot to mention the most ridiculous expensive maintenance for vehicles that you will ever find is for Jaguars! That explain why it is only used by Royals and the wealthy people. I say that because someone I know bought a Jaguar in Thailand, he used it for few months and then it burst into flames, engine halted so it went for service (only in Bangkok), the mechanics asked him something close to 5.000 USD,to replace some part, I don't remember what was the cause of fire, but was something with leaking fuel or malfunctioning fuel pump, I really don't remember, what I know it had to disassemble the entire engine, lift out the engine bay, replace the whatever it was and put the engine back and all fitments back in place, huge job. So imagine something extremely unpractical to work with. Jaguars! I think that explain why the second hand of this brand has basically little value. Jaguar parts cost too much and almost nothing else will fit in there, by 2026 Jaguar will be fully into EV, so no more diesel or gasoline engines will be produced by this company, for those who got Jaguar get rid of it asap, sell per kilogram if you have to, sourcing parts is already a problem and it will only get worse.
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    Quote Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
    It's even worse in Canada ... I'm still driving my '03 Honda Pilot with ~440,000 kms on it ... still runs fine and for less than half the amount of a monthly new vehicle payment I can afford to keep it running almost no matter what might need to be replaced down the road. Needs a timing belt and new suspension, but still runs well as is, so no big rush on those items. Had to replace the alternator recently but the engine is still in amazing condition with no oil burned or leaked.

    Even the used market here in Canada is ridiculous for pricing ... I've seen a 90's Ford F250 with the 7.3 diesel - good shape but buddy was asking $26,000 for it ... insane.

    As far as haggling on a new car goes, pick your car, then find multiple dealerships and make them fight between each other for the sale.
    The best way to get the best price on a new vehicle is to track down the truck delivering them to the lot. My mother once dated one of those drivers, and they have the paperwork that tells them what the vehicles invoice for when delivered. By having those numbers you are better equipped to haggle at year end, for the newest model before the next year model takes priority.

    By having this information, you are able to offer them a price that clears them to not lose anything, yet gain space and the finances to replace that vehicle with a new one, and the dealers for the most part, jump on those sales. It's a win win for them, they had the stock for a year, and lost nothing... Gaining $ for new inventory, and making room at the same time.

    His sons as a result, all were driving brand new vehicles at a fraction of the price of those buying them as consumers entering the lot "unarmed." I still couldn't afford one, and refused to pay that much for a new vehicle and have never bought a new vehicle... It's ridiculous...

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    I don't agree with everything this guy says but we're definitely on the same page.

    I think a lot of people must be because I've been searching for an affordable/bargain pre data-snooping small practical car that's not body rotten for a year and found nothing that ticks all my boxes better than the one I've already got.

    I started looking a year ago because mine threw every kind of nightmare it could at me for about 5 weeks and I hated it so much I wanted it gone. I still have it. It was a scrap value swap with my brother when my previous car failed the MOT for underbody rust rot.

    This guy doesn't have any conspiracy theories about why new cars are so stupidly expensive but he certainly agrees with the OP of this thread, and has a whole lot more moans and gripes about what the car manufacturing industry has become.

    He's not even a Boomer, he's a Gen X.

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    This post is for the gearheads here. I'm replacing damn near everything on the front end of my truck. Not everything needs to be replaced but working on automobiles is cathartic and it's nice to be in a position where I can do all this at once. In the future I might be in a place where I can't work on the truck so I figure why not do it all now. I'll keep the parts that still have some life left in them, maybe eBay them.

    Nearly everything you see in the pic will be replaced or fixed in some way. The frame may look rough but it's in fantastic condition which is great considering this truck had a recall due to them rotting over time. With proper care (like I'm doing now) it won't be a problem.

    I posted the last pic as an example of something I was mentioning earlier. This is the bottom side of a ball joint, and the little nipple thingy is called a 'zerk fitting'. Most modern cars don't have these and they are 'sealed for life.' I don't like sealed for life, I prefer serviceable parts. I'm also not a fan of long mileage oil changes, I call bs. This is debated a lot in the automotive world but I suppose that's for another thread.

    These parts are very easy to come by and all have warranties. The only thing I bought OEM was the lower ball joints. Depending on the vehicle this isn't necessary but as mentioned previously, Toyota did a poor job on this design and aftermarket ball joints fail quickly. They're often plastic where's Toyota's are metal.

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    The ball joints on the Toyota's are indeed junk... And I would replace them before they fail.. We had TWO Toyota's that suffered the same fate... The first being on the Tundra... It collapsed, folded the fender, and the entire front end had to be repaired and painted once it was repaired... Fortunately the vehicle wasn't moving too fast when it collapsed... As it is lifted and could have rolled.. The second was on our Sequoia... It too failed just as the Tundra had...

    We have 3 Toyota's at the moment, two Sequoias, and the Tundra... We live in an area where we get plenty of snow in the winter, and we like to offroad... The third one is mostly around just in case one goes down, as we are so busy, there isn't much time to fix things should something fail. But the nice thing about them is that they can be fixed quite easily, and they seem to last forever when someone takes the time to do so...

    As a result our oldest son is now a Toyota fan as well, and has 2 - 4 runners and a Tacoma... One is being turned into a rock crawler... So it isn't meant for the road...

    My favorite however? Is my 67' Chevelle... Everyone loves a hotrod right? And those are easy to work on... She has been waiting to be restored for years, and it is finally time to work on her... I can't wait to get her back on the road... And because I live in a very small community, the gas prices won't be horrible for me, as I rarely have to drive more than 5 miles to get anything I need...

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    This guy is quite a comic. He's a real veteran car mechanic but he's mostly a youtuber who's sense of humour get's him the clicks rather than providing how-to videos.

    No, Tesla is not shutting down, but the Cyber Truck might be, and Tesla cars in general are aging faster than bread.

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    Nice work Strat! I am sure it will last long time for the coming years, the control arm looks very sturdy.

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    Recently had done lots of rebuilt in my Strada truck, beside having issues with mechanics, I actually got it done. Here is one photo when the mechanic was ripping apart the guts of it, most of those hoses, pipes, tubes was all replaced by new ones, he showed one to me, looks like those clogged artery, on this job I got the fuel pump totally rebuilt (it was the most expensive service), there was internal parts not working, so the truck was not starting well, I had to put a huge effort to start it. The other things I got replaced was all the belts, this truck got 3 belts, I also got a new alternator, I had no idea how the old one was still working, it was useless even to attempt to rebuild it, so it went straight to the bin, engine gasket and oil pan gasket was replaced by new ones, I got a new battery, the engine balance was checked, injectors was cleaned, intercooler also rebuilt, turbo charger was cleaned, air intake hoses all new, air filter was cleaned it was filthy as hell, radiator rebuilt (looks like new - $5 for the wash and check up - against $120 for a new one), new fluid for the steering wheel, coolant, and many small things like isolating wires to avoid short circuit, etc...



    Now it seems I got a little issue with the vacuum pump, however the break test passed, so I need to check the pressure if matches the standard, if not I will replace this part too, if vacuum lines fail it can be dangerous and you will find yourself pressing the breaks much harder than normal, it is like driving a non hydraulic steering wheel, it is hard, happened before, so best thing to do is to change the vacuum pump, sometimes just fixing the seals or gaskets may resolve the issue, but that is my fight with the mechanics, they want to sell me a new one and don't even look into the old part to see if there is a fix to it.. this I call laziness.

    A few things I have to do yet, but no money now, so it will wait, here they are:

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    - replace all 4 CV boots, I got 1 cracked, since they are all same age, better to replace them all at once. (right now I have a plastic bag wrapping the cracked one with duct tape lol).
    - vacuum pump (pending diagnostics).
    - clutch kit (see the breakdown items - my clutch still good but very low now, so it will be necessary to replace it sooner than later).
        - Flywheel
        - Clutch pressure plate - Also referred to as the clutch comb or clutch cover
        - Clutch disc or clutch plate
        - Clutch release bearing (Throwout Bearing)
        - gear shift fluid
    - seal on the back of the crankshaft (I intend to do it while replacing fluid for the gears since it require disassembling the whole thing in my truck and it is quite a labor, he said like 7 to 8 hours).
    - new engine oil + new engine oil filter + new fuel filter (ordinary service can do in any gas station).
    - 1 windshield wiper motor (I got one down days ago, it does not affect driving because it is on the passenger side).
    - a little body working on the 2 front doors (external only) I got some rust on it.
    Beside the little pending to-do list everything is fine and working as expected, it is impressive how I got no rust in this truck, I mean chassis is in mint condition, axles and everything else, the only little rust I got is with the 2 front doors and it is not that bad, only started. We talking about a 21 years old truck.


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    This is the whole thing where the fuel pump is assembled.


    and here is the vacuum pump, the leak I have is in the white circle I made in the photo, I don't know if can put that apart and just change the seal instead of buy a new one, this part cost about $100 and probably is rebuilt. Anyone knows anything about vacuum pumps?
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    Default Re: Vehicles are way over priced

    Quote Posted by mojo (here)
    Hi all,
    If you checked out prices you might be flabbergast like me. Hoping to acquire a newer model pick-up truck in 2025. There is no way I would buy brand new but something a year or two older. So far my mind is set on either a Toyota Tacoma or Chevy Colorado and maybe the best procedure is to buy from an private owner and not a car dealer as the price is insane right now. Also someone mentioned car bartering or haggling on the price is not as common at car dealerships today but not sure about that.
    Maybe this guy's got a good few points to make even in your case.

    It's very likely that American gas prices will drop drastically in the next year. That brings older but rock solid and simpler gas guzzlers back into the picture, maybe. I know it would in my case if I were living there.

    Scotty Kilmer has a look at a 2012 Lexus SUV that has a hell of a lot going for it in Trump's 2025-6 and onwards.

    I'd be dredging the second hand market every day for one of these until I found the one for me.

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