Chinese and anti-Chinese propaganda — what's the truth?

[Ravenlocke]

And before anti-China there was Japan

https://x.com/PandemicTruther/status...01983005347841

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https://x.com/JohnRoss43/status/1333181384928747523

https://x.com/martjacques/status/1285196274095001600

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This is absolutely fascinating. This is Ashley J. Tellis, formerly special assistant to President George W. Bush and senior director for strategic planning and Southwest Asia.

He explains how already during the "first and second Bush terms [the US's] geopolitical objectives in Asia was to build up Indian power [to] aid Asia shift towards multipolarity which is a fancy way of saying 'we want to surround China with many capable powers on its periphery' [to] limit China's capacity to exploit its power, [which] serves American interests".

Which is yet another proof - if need be - that the official narrative that the deterioration of the US-China relationship all started with Xi Jinping's arrival in power, which made the US shift from "engagement" to countering China is a tall tail. In fact already during Bush's first term (2001 to 2005) - you heard it straight from the horse's mouth - the US's strategy in Asia was to surround China so it couldn't "exploit its power", because of course only the US can do that...

The truth is of course that the US always sought to force China to conform to its interests, and its interests were always to have a China that wasn't a competitor, both in terms of power and business. Concretely this meant that China had to stick to business activities that could serve US firms instead of competing with them, and geopolitical actions that would serve US interests instead of Chinese ones.

No sovereign country, particularly one like China whose development for its people relies on moving up the value chain and developing foreign relationships according to its own interests, could possibly accept that. So they didn't and here lies the whole root cause of the issue: this is - more than anything else - why they're demonized. They're evil because they couldn't accept to just be underdeveloped and submissive... And this is also why the current world order is irremediably broken and needs reforming.

https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1709401613134410126

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The US voluntarily de-industrialized and financialized its economy, so corporations could make more profits by outsourcing manufacturing jobs to China, to exploit workers with lower wages.

Now China has become the world's manufacturing superpower, training highly skilled workers, significantly raising their living standards, and building its own local industries, which are out-competing many US corporations.

So the US instead changes the rules of its beloved "rules-based order", imposing sanctions and waging economic war on Chinese companies.

Meanwhile, Washington blames Beijing for this reversal, ignoring how the USA's own polices of de-industrialization, financialization, and outsourcing destroyed its industrial base.

As the Financial Times puts it in this article, "America is feeling buyer’s remorse at the world it built": https://ft.com/content/77faa249-0f88...2-ecd7e9e745f9

https://x.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1673792139723931649

[Ravenlocke]

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When the US normalized relations with China and allowed it into the WTO, US capital wanted China to always remain in a subordinated economic position, providing cheap, low value-added, labor-intensive consumer goods to Western markets.

Now that China has rapidly moved up the value-added chain to high-tech production (through state-led development and robust industrial policy), and can compete with US technology monopolies, Washington is waging economic war, trying to prevent China from further developing.

The aim of US capital was to perpetually keep China trapped at the bottom of the value chain, with the other formally colonized countries in the periphery of the capitalist world system. The fact that China refuses to be economically subordinated is precisely why the US is so angry and belligerent.

https://x.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1768462198165131287

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The fervent and pervasive campaign against China by the US is nothing short of mind-boggling. It's as if the entire nation has succumbed to a collective frenzy driven by a mix of fear, mistrust, and self-righteousness.

One cannot help but marvel at the spectacle of a superpower like the US relentlessly demonizing a country it once embraced as a partner in global trade. It's almost like watching a lover turn into a bitter enemy overnight, fueled by a cocktail of jealousy, paranoia, and a sense of moral superiority.

The irony of it all is that while the US accuses China of being a threat to global peace and stability, it's the US itself that has been the most belligerent and aggressive nation in recent times, with a long track record of military interventions, covert operations, and regime change efforts around the world.

Perhaps the most galling aspect of this anti-China hysteria is how it's being used to distract Americans from the real problems plaguing their own society, such as income inequality, racism, and political polarization. It's as if the US is projecting its own insecurities and failures onto China, hoping to deflect attention from its own shortcomings.

In the end, it's hard not to feel a sense of pity for the US as it stumbles around blindly, lashing out at the world in a futile attempt to maintain its fading dominance. One can only hope that sanity will eventually prevail and that the US will come to realize that its real enemies are not external but internal.

https://x.com/nxt888/status/1653987433393053697

https://x.com/yawahuguama/status/1654131345269092355

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https://x.com/SameeraKhan/status/1222059515509706752

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https://x.com/AndyBxxx/status/1877242042067136709

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Interesting that Mearsheimer, a longtime proponent of containing China (and, IMHO, very wrong about this), believes we're now well past the point of no return.

He says that "the US cannot do much at this point to slow down Chinese economic growth" and that he "would bet that the Chinese will overcome the American effort to damage the Chinese economy more than the American economy is damaged as a result of these sanctions and tariffs", meaning that the US now hurts itself more by trying to contain China than it hurts China.

https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1855486659028279599

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https://x.com/RJ_Macnaughton/status/1880324499289305393

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https://x.com/wallacemick/status/1410517344548491265

https://x.com/ShangguanJiewen/status...55554193547264

https://x.com/ChinaCGCalgary/status/1858724465569657298

https://x.com/zhao_dashuai/status/1684156295165935617

[Ravenlocke]

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Twitter trolls have labeled me a “CCP shill”, despite the fact that I am not a member of the CPC and have no plans to become one soon.

Like most Chinese, I am a supporter of our government because I've visited countless rural places that were formerly impoverished and witnessed firsthand how prosperous they have grown. The success of our government, in my opinion, lies in its efforts to reduce poverty and implement reforms in rural areas.

In 2012, I went on a field trip to Nongyong, a little village in South China’s Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Region. The absence of modern transportation meant that the village kids had to traverse multiple muddy mountain trails to get to school, and then climb a wood ladder fastened to the side of a cliff.

The village was a backwaters with no running water. The local primary school had to gather rainwater on the roof for the children to drink. The children I encountered were mostly "left-behind kids," whose parents had gone to the city in search of better economic opportunities. They only get to see their parents once a year, and that's during the Spring Festival.

Meng Xuantai, an eight-year-old boy, lived in the little village. He was too little to climb the wooden ladder on his own, so his older brother, who was three years his senior, had to help him get to school.

He told a reporter from Xinhua News Agency that his goal was to work in a big city to support his family and be closer to his parents, who he missed terribly.

The situation began to improve in 2014, when the local authorities made helping the villagers a primary priority. Children no longer had to risk their lives by using the precarious wood ladder to get to school; the government had a road constructed for the tiny town. More than 5 million yuan, or around $713,970, was spent on updating Meng's school. Multimedia classrooms, vocal music rooms, libraries, and a distant teaching system are just some of the cutting-edge facilities made available to the village kids, in addition to brand-new classrooms, dorms, a cafeteria, and restrooms.

Journalists from Xinhua ran across the once-eight-year-old Meng again in 2021. With the help of the government, he was able to complete his study at a vocational school and find job in Guangdong. His brother went to university and decided to become a teacher to help the children in their community.

In the past few years, I've traveled extensively throughout rural China. Many villages, including Meng's, have turned from impoverished backwaters into thriving towns. In order for parents to remain at home with their kids and have a better quality of life, the local government has devised strategies to promote the local economy, such as ecotourism, modern agriculture, and e-commerce.

Over the past 40 years, the number of people in China with incomes below $1.90 per day – the International Poverty Line as defined by the World Bank to track global extreme poverty– has fallen by close to 800 million. With this, China has contributed close to three-quarters of the global reduction in the number of people living in extreme poverty.

The Chinese government cannot be as awful as the Western media portrays it if it consistently prioritizes the well-being of its people and treats its most vulnerable citizens with dignity and compassion.

[Picture 1: Meng Xuantai, age 8, and his brother have to traverse muddy mountain hikes and climb a wooden ladder to get to school. 2012. Photo by Xinhua]

[Picture 2: Meng Xuantai holds a piece of paper on which he scribbled, "I want to work so I can support my parents." 2014. Photo by Xinhua]

[Picture 3: Meng Xuantai (Left 1) and his family are now living in a new apartment, and their lives are improving. 2021. Photo by Xinhua]

https://x.com/Eivor_Koy/status/1679145290526519299

[Ravenlocke]

China has cleaned rivers and lakes throughout the country to create a greener nation for its people.

Through the creation of a river-chief system and numerous hotlines for reporting pollution, along with considerable investment in action items nationwide, water, air and land is cleaner than in half a century.

#China #environment

https://x.com/ShangguanJiewen/status...29520739078452

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https://x.com/Kanthan2030/status/1697032628912951756

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Incredible progress in environment in China.

Major Chinese cities don’t even appear in the top 400 most polluted cities in the world (2022 ranking).

https://iqair.com/in-en/world-most-polluted-cities

Beijing: #489

Shanghai: #678

Guangzhou: #920

Shenzhen: #1533

How did China reduce pollution?

Electric cars, solar/wind energy, natural gas are the three main reasons.

#RenewableEnergy

https://x.com/Kanthan2030/status/1665692338369499136

[ThePythonicCow]

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For those interested in understanding China better, I recommend the Youtube channel Lei's Real Talk. As best I can figure (having no expertise there myself), Lei (pronounced as in the English word "lay") understands the Chinese people and the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) and their various, current, ongoing struggles quite well.

[onawah]

Agreed. Lei's Real Talk is another of the youtube channels that I featured often on the Turmoil in China thread. Her videos are usually a lot longer than those from the list of other sources I have referenced for info about China and the CCP, but for those with the patience, she is generally worth listening to.

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For those interested in understanding China better, I recommend the Youtube channel Lei's Real Talk. As best I can figure (having no expertise there myself), Lei (pronounced as in the English word "lay") understands the Chinese people and the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) and their various, current, ongoing struggles quite well.

[onawah]

I count 21 posts from Ravenlocke on this thread which just started yesterday, out of 36 posts in total so far.
Amazing how just one person can read through so many articles, watch so many videos and make so many posts in just one day!
But that's not all--in total there were 42 posts made by Ravenlocke just yesterday, and many of them containing more than just one long article or video.
(I'm guessing only a phenomonally accomplished speed reader would be able to do this and stay within the guideline rules for members about posting only information which we have examined thoroughly ourselves.
I wonder if anyone has ever kept score on the record number of posts made in one day by one Avalonian, or the amount of space taken up...)
Which leads me to believe I will not be posting on this thread as I could not possibly keep up.
Hopefully my Turmoil in China thread will have some effect after all, if only in retrospect....
I feel my retirement looming...

[Jim_Duyer]

Trump is in the process of containing China and helping our citizens at the same time. He is proposing doing away with the IRS and instead imposing tariffs, designed to equal the playing field and protect American business at the same time. That's his job - protecting us over other countries.
China exports a gadget that is made using, supposedly, about 25 cents per hour wages, based on the price that they can sell it at, after paying long-distance shipping costs. The truth is that they are holding up their exports by selling in select markets at under what the item costs in real terms to build - that is, of course, if your idea of an average Chinese wage of $800 or so per month is not pure bull, which I suspect it is.

Here's the truth. Look at History for the answers. How did Japan conquer and hold a nation with ten times its population so easily? By finding thousands of Quislings who would sell out their own country for a few bucks - from Military Generals to Political leaders on down. They were so quick to take the money that the Japanese had to select only the top ones out of the applicants. That's just how much those traitors liked their own China. So what happened? China learned.

They learned that the Democratic party is very quick to turn Quislings as well - and if money won't do it, providing them with wives will. Examine the money flow from China to Fauci, Biden, his cronies, Pelosi's husband, and a score of those in Congress. They practically whored themselves out in their race to become Quislings and traitors. In fact, they even turned a blind eyes when the ChiComms bought up lands in America and snuck military folks across the open borders. They also allowed ChiComm "secretaries" to steal information and trade secrets as fast as they could upload them.

So the ChiComms can learn, I will give them that.
Those times are fast coming to an end. Thank goodness.

So to the crew of ten-twelve who are making money by pretending to be Ravenlocke, best of luck to you. But it won't wash with those that have eyes that see.

[Jim_Duyer]

China - let's hire thousands of students and watch them carefully. Then we go online and verbally vomit against everything American. It cost so much less than any other form of propaganda and the ill-educated masses are so quick to gobble up our lies. If anyone points out the truth, we cry racism - that seems to work quite well. But don't let anyone know how we treat those same gender fluid readers if they should come to our country, and pray that someone with two brain cells doesn't discover that we are a "manufacturing genius" because we pour more smoke in the air than any other countries combined, and our genius comes from stealing the ideas of others and making them cheaper - who cares how long they last if we make some quick money on it.
If all else fails we just close the company and open up under a new name - none of those round eyes can tell us apart anyway.