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    I don't have time this very moment to cite all the many breaking-news links and references, but some readers here who watch the financial markets will be aware that there's a huge issue raising its head just now.

    What seems to be happening is:
    1. There's a shortage of available physical gold;
    2. Everyone is trying to cover that up; and
    3. Many paper gold contracts can't be honored, or are being delayed by months.
    What this strongly suggests is that
    • Many financial institutions seem to know (or suspect) that something major may happen soon in the global markets which is causing them to hang on their physical gold, while acquiring more if they can.
    • The price of physical gold (coins, bars, etc) is pretty soon going to start soaring even more than it has been in recent weeks.
    I welcome comments and insights from members who may understand all this better than I do. But all the indications seem to be that something fairly big is going on here, and it may be important.

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    https://x.com/thesiriusreport/status...52519435227425

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    Over a decade ago when I would listen to Steve Quayle's internet radio show he said there were groups that would order half a T (trillion) worth of gold. Years back a story leaked that the Chinese received a large amount of physical gold and the source which I recall as the Rockefellers or Rothschilds used gold plated tungsten bars. Upon delivery they assayed it and realized the deception.

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    Quote It's been known for a long time that the densities of tungsten and gold are close enough that in theory, drilling out a hallmarked gold bar and replacing the interior with tungsten could fool all but the most sophisticated of tests.
    Mediterranean Yellowstone: Naples' Campi Flegrei Supervolcano
    Here are a few examples of the deception and lengths they'll go to for gold.
    Quote Posted by Mark (Star Mariner) (here)
    Rumblings from Italy, in more ways than one, on the ticking time bomb that's Campi Flegrei. There have been reports in Italian media and from tourists visiting the area of quakes in the region and gas bubbles rising in the ocean. Might an eruption be imminent? If it is, then God help not only Italy but the whole of Europe.
    It could be a ruse to evacuate the Vatican which is 115 mi/185 km from Campi Flegrei. The Cabal spends a trillion dollars every 100 days, and the target could be their gold. They got most of Japan's wealth via Fukushima and gold was allegedly stolen from under ground zero on 9/11. The recent explosion at Yellowstone appears artificial adding to a global narrative.
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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    I don't have time this very moment to cite all the many breaking-news links and references, but some readers here who watch the financial markets will be aware that there's a huge issue raising its head just now.

    What seems to be happening is:
    1. There's a shortage of available physical gold;
    2. Everyone is trying to cover that up; and
    3. Many paper gold contracts can't be honored, or are being delayed by months.
    What this strongly suggests is that
    • Many financial institutions seem to know (or suspect) that something major may happen soon in the global markets which is causing them to hang on their physical gold, while acquiring more if they can.
    • The price of physical gold (coins, bars, etc) is pretty soon going to start soaring even more than it has been in recent weeks.
    I welcome comments and insights from members who may understand all this better than I do. But all the indications seem to be that something fairly big is going on here, and it may be important.
    According to Martin Armstrong (armstrongeconomics.com), when people lose confidence in the government, they stop buying govenment bonds. They shift to assets. Japan owes 250% of Gross National Product (GNP).
    Every world government is on the verge of financial default. With imminent war, again people will convert to liquid (cash) or metals. The Armstrong model (Socrates) sees Japan defaulting first, then like dominoes, European countries. America will be the last currency standing.

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    I have the 45$/month subscription to the Future Forecasting Group, which Richard Allgire and Daz Smith started in 2018 after branching off from the Farsight Institute.
    Their predictions concord very closely with this, although their focus is more on the Cryptocurrencies, some of which are likely to increase far more than Gold and as of now, are still down from their peak around December.

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    Martin Armstrong talks with Mike Adams about why the central banks are in trouble: Gold panic, debt reset

    https://www.brighteon.com/1c1b9994-e...3-603f026c5281

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    Source: https://www.brighteon.com/embed/1c1b9994-ea01-4f70-9513-603f026c5281


    Mar-A-Lago Accord confirms Trump is about to restructure the entire global currency and debt system

    Now we know why all the high-level people are panicked to buy physical gold: A once-secret document reveals the "Trump Mar-A-Lago Accord" plan which involves using tariffs to leverage foreign countries (China, UK, European countries, etc.) into agreeing to restructuring all U.S. Treasury debt, converting it to ultra-long-term debt (50-year treasuries).

    This is essentially a kind of "Chapter 11" designation by the USA on its debt, a forced restructuring of the debt to convert it into a much lower annual payout that could save the US government half a trillion dollars a year.

    There are severe risks of economic instability because of this, and some countries don't want to play along nicely (like China).

    I interviewed Martin Armstrong today. He told me, "the central banks are screwed." Find out why in today's interview.
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    Here's a concise 9-minute video that summarizes the whole current anomalous situation, and it's very well explained. For anyone who's not up to speed with this, it might be most helpful. At the end is a promotion, but the first 7 minutes is solid information.

    GOLD RUSH TO NYC: Is something BIG About to Happen?


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    I think a lot of the fear about gold shortages are speculative noise and an example of the kind of thinking Avalonians should avoid.

    My own criticism of gold is that it's an unproductive asset that just "sits there", unlike businesses that feed, clothe, house, transport, medically treat people etc. And unless it's stored securely, such as in a professional bullion storage, either allocated (gold bars or coins stored under your name) or unallocated (you own a claim to a portion of a gold pool but don’t hold specific pieces), people will rob you for it.

    Markets are complicated things, and occasional shortages in physical gold don't necessarily mean a crisis is imminent.
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    But... lol.

    On doing a little online digging, the financial times:

    Quote A surge in gold shipments to the US has led to a shortage of bullion in London, as traders amass an $82bn stockpile in New York over fears ...
    And from marketwatch.com

    Quote Demand Surge in New York: The demand for physical gold in New York has risen sharply, driving prices to record highs. The April futures contract for gold reached $2,853.20 an ounce, with concerns that tariffs could push prices up to $3,500 an ounce.
    Of particular interest is the disparity between paper and physical gold markets, which has become much more pronounced, leading to increased concerns about the stability of these instruments.

    There seems to be a connection between Trump’s proposed tariffs and the current gold market and the supply chain disruptions:
    • Trump signals a potential round of tariffs on imports, including gold and silver.
    • If tariffs are placed on gold imports, the cost of bringing gold into the U.S. will increase significantly.
    • Traders and investors rush to move gold into the U.S. before these tariffs take effect, creating a shortage in London and high demand in New York.

    But again, probably not something most of us should worry about, unless you're a gold trader, run an industry that relies heavily on gold, and is probably indicative of a temporary disruption, not a financial system collapse.

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    The activates are confusing, for me, and I don't expect to get my head around them.

    I'm only feeling one serious curiosity about it right now. I only want to know who's at the top of running it.

    The timing makes it very obvious that it is about the new president in the US. Is it driven by that president or driven by the people who want to bring him to a halt ?

    That's all I want to know.
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    Have you noticed how often President Trump says we are entering into a " Golden Age ", this is a statement about a new prosperous period for the USA, beyond that it is a literal statement about the new gold backed crypto and physical currency.

    Another note.

    You see under President Trump the closing of USAID and audits on every government department by DOGE which is strangling the CIA/deep states finances.

    This collapse of the fiat currency dollar system is the other side of the coin the destruction of the global private bank federal reserve system, owned by the Rothschilds.

    So if you ain't got no money you won't get any honey, watch the lower deep state minions abandon the sinking ship when the cash drys up.

    Update 14/2/25
    Below a repost by President Trump 4 days ago on Truth Social. How much more symbolism do you need ???

    Link: https://truthsocial.com/@IStandWithT...77685705928293 (It is the correct address for some reason it doesn't open the post)
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    Quote Posted by norman (here)
    The activates are confusing, for me, and I don't expect to get my head around them.

    I'm only feeling one serious curiosity about it right now. I only want to know who's at the top of running it.

    The timing makes it very obvious that it is about the new president in the US. Is it driven by that president or driven by the people who want to bring him to a halt ?

    That's all I want to know.
    President Trump and the white hats are pushing this, its part of the take down of the deep state that is collapsing their financial system.

    Gold or silver make good sense (and a lot of cents) take a look at the chart below 2003 - 2025 in USD.

    Link: https://www.abcbullion.com.au/products-pricing/gold (This is an Aussie company based in Sydney)
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    A run on gold now seems strange, considering how luxury items are going to be less and less in demand while prices on staples like food and land continue to climb.
    (Or is there a rumor the Annunaki are going to visit soon and buy up a lot of gold to seed their planet's atmosphere with? )
    Preppers are being encouraged to buy gold now by Ben Davidson of SpaceWeatherNews, though he has also said that it's not going to be something to hold on to, since staples like food, seeds for crops, tools, real estate and other necessities for survival will be the most prized commodities for hard times coming.
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    For those asking, yes, after the micronova gold won't be much use, but silver will (various health benefits), and the interim period (Disaster Cycle Stage 3) where I expect TEENY TINY AMOUNTS OF GOLD/SILVER TO SAVE LIVES... 3-15 years. If its 3 months... you need to prepare for it... this is the period where most human will die. Don't join them. GoldObservers.com
    On the other hand, gold and silver in the monatomic form make wonderful medicine, though not much is needed for that.
    Cryptocurrencies however, will be quite worthless when the electric grid goes down, which is very likely to happen even before the coming pole reversal/geomagnetic excursion/micronova, calculated to occur sometime in the 2040s at the latest.
    Ben's advice is to buy in on the gold run now and sell later for profit in order to have funds for buying Prepper necessities.
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    China has also accumulated massive purchases of gold in recent times, while selling large amounts of US debt.

    The global sovereign debt crisis is well underway...

    I have always been wary of the possession of physical gold because states in financial panic could force individuals to resell it (this has already been done in the US) or tax it so much at resale that it would not be worthwhile.

    During the Greek crisis, people were obliged to declare to the tax authorities if they had gold rings!
    It is also much more difficult to exchange in case of barter: recognizing real gold is difficult and you will not go to exchange an expensive coin for a little food.

    Now,yes it could be good to have a little bit to make yourself colloidal gold (by electrolysis), as the colloidal silver which is more interesting in my opinion ( more medical uses).


    And small isolated on the deformation of the core of SpaceWeatherNews. There is excellent information about the exothermic decoupling of the nucleus here, with this very relevant animation.


    https://theethicalskeptic.com/2024/0...do-hypothesis/



    https://videopress.com/v/0QF3nivm




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    Quote Posted by happyuk (here)
    I think a lot of the fear about gold shortages are speculative noise and an example of the kind of thinking Avalonians should avoid.

    My own criticism of gold is that it's an unproductive asset that just "sits there", unlike businesses that feed, clothe, house, transport, medically treat people etc. And unless it's stored securely, such as in a professional bullion storage, either allocated (gold bars or coins stored under your name) or unallocated (you own a claim to a portion of a gold pool but don’t hold specific pieces), people will rob you for it.

    Markets are complicated things, and occasional shortages in physical gold don't necessarily mean a crisis is imminent.
    I don’t quite agree; I don’t view holding physical gold as being an unproductive asset. It’s a way of storing wealth outside of the ‘fiat’ currency system. If gold were truly ‘unproductive’, it wouldn’t be worth keeping. But countless civilisations have built their fortune on holding physical gold.

    Note that I’m talking about holding physical gold and not gold stocks or allocated gold storage. Happyuk is quite correct in suspecting that a gold ‘shortage’ is not quite the full story. It’s far more likely that the present demand on gold is driving up the price, along with the declining value of ‘fiat’ currencies. I’d speculate that certain banks are buying up large amounts of gold because they know that a financial crisis is imminent and they want to limit their exposure to market forces, which would mean that a shortage of supply is not entirely accurate - it’s a shortage of gold still available in the retail market.

    I’ve been buying up physical gold and silver since 2002. Back in 2002, gold was around AU$400 / oz. Now it’s over AU$4600 / oz. My paycheck has not increased 11-fold in that expanse of time. So I can only assume that the value of the AU dollar has declined in value by a similar amount. I’ll assume that this trend is relative in other currencies.

    In short, the value (purchasing power) of ‘fiat’ currency is the real issue, not the relative gold price.

    I can (and have occasionally), sell some of my physical gold holdings for the ‘fiat’ currency equivalent at great profit on paper. But I would not have increased my wealth by doing so; all I would do is increase my buying power for consumer goods at current market value.

    Chris Masterton at www.peakprosperity.com recently made a video on the gold market, which is well-worth watching. Link below:

    https://peakprosperity.com/something...s-gold-market/

    If inflation was decreasing, then I’d be saving cash in a bank account. But as long as governments keep printing money, the overall purchasing power of a currency will fall. That’s why my AU$400 could buy an ounce of gold in 2002, but I now need AU$4600 to buy the same amount today.

    Happyuk also raises a very sobering point. You can’t “eat” gold. Meaning, unless you can trade gold for food and essentials, gold isn’t worth anything until the economy says it does. I’d suggest that storing gold (and silver!) for wealth-protection is a good idea, but don’t lose sight of how valuable food becomes in a crisis!

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    I think it was in the movie The Big Short, the former trader played by Brad Pitt told the guys who came to question him that he now invested massively in... seeds...

    If you have stocks of non-hybrid seeds that people can grow in turn to feed themselves, I think you will always have a very valuable exchange "currency" ... not enough to make a big purchase but to simplify your daily life, certainly!

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    They are hoarding gold. They, being those who can afford to buy physical gold and safely store it.

    We are witnessing another manufactured scarcity of gold. One effect of hoarding and scarcity is to drive the price, but not the value, of gold (or silver, or other rare metals and rare earth commodities) up. This leads to people using less valuable “money” as a medium of exchange for goods and services, while hoarding the more valuable “money”, e.g., stronger currencies and gold.

    Gold serves as a store of wealth, a unit of account and a medium of exchange for transactions between banks and nation sates. It has been prized as such since time immemorial. Only the very well-to-do can afford to hold large quantities of physical gold and the like.

    Look into Gresham’ s Law. Simply stated as: bad money drives out good money.

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    The politics of gold: Economist Michael Hudson explains why gold's price is rising so much | Feb. 13, 2025

    Source: Geopolitical Economy Report youtube



    Transcript:

    geopoliticaleconomy.com

    Topics:

    0:00 Intro
    1:49 Highlights
    4:14 Interview starts
    4:49 US dollar system & Super Imperialism
    8:23 Dollar alternatives?
    10:56 Why price of gold is rising
    15:31 Gold market is political
    21:10 Is gold an inflation hedge?
    25:19 US military spending
    27:33 Budget deficits & MMT
    29:41 Gold standard critique
    33:29 Politics of money creation
    35:39 Commodity markets
    38:01 Options trading
    39:33 Central banks short selling gold
    43:43 Gold leasing
    48:01 How much gold is in Fort Knox?
    51:03 Is there a run on gold?
    1:02:50 Western central bank strategy
    1:07:11 Outro
    "Earth is currently restricted today for normal development of timeline progress. With us telling you everything would change everything."

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    I don't have time this very moment to cite all the many breaking-news links and references, but some readers here who watch the financial markets will be aware that there's a huge issue raising its head just now.

    What seems to be happening is:
    1. There's a shortage of available physical gold;
    2. Everyone is trying to cover that up; and
    3. Many paper gold contracts can't be honored, or are being delayed by months.
    What this strongly suggests is that
    • Many financial institutions seem to know (or suspect) that something major may happen soon in the global markets which is causing them to hang on their physical gold, while acquiring more if they can.
    • The price of physical gold (coins, bars, etc) is pretty soon going to start soaring even more than it has been in recent weeks.
    I welcome comments and insights from members who may understand all this better than I do. But all the indications seem to be that something fairly big is going on here, and it may be important.
    These are my opinions... Take them for what you will... It reflects my small gold mining area only, as I haven't been watching the overall market much... But if this is what we are seeing, I am sure it is happening everywhere...

    I haven't spent enough time really diving into the whole financial situation, but I know this part of it... And I know that those in the gold mining areas are realizing banks are getting too involved with their finances and where they spend them.. So many are reverting to cash and physical metals again.

    We saw gold surpass $2,900 an ounce last week briefly... WOW.. This morning it is at $2,891.

    Compare that to 2020... Where the year end price of gold rested at $1,887.60 per ounce. Thats over a 50% increase in value in just 5 years... THATS HUGE... Silver is doing the same...

    I can tell only what I know about the mines in my area, and there are very large groups, (From other areas, coming in, and cheating people out of local mines in my area, and are willingly taking on litigation in regards to not paying those who own stocks in those mines... Only to shut them down, making them then immediately lose stock value... While they then hold the physical gold. (They're being sued)...

    They shut the largest mine down, and let it flood, making gold recovery impossible until they then get it "cleared", and repair the damage from the flooding, which shorts the market...

    It wasn't an accident, it was a very high priced transaction that if they wanted success, could have easily capitalized on the success of pulling massive quantities out of this mine. It had to be a deliberate shut down to limit the available gold on the market. It had to be, because no one dumps that much money into a gold mine to let it shut down..

    It affected the entire west coast which relies on that gold for their jewelry fabrication for the tourist industry and smaller shops like ours who also use the gold and gold bearing quartz in our jewelry. Fortunately because we knew the previous mine president, we have plenty of gold bearing quartz to have keep producing through this fiasco... But one has to recognize that being that I live in "Gold Country" this affects the entire market if it is happening all over this area...

    They're also lobbying hard, with very large, Big Money backed efforts to keep old mines from reopening, while the gold price is soaring.. (Probably creating the rise in the market)...

    Right now, as a result, the general public is selling their private gold (and silver as it too is jumping dramatically), thinking this raise in value will drop, and they want top dollar, but really what they're doing is making it even more difficult to get, as those at the top are gathering it up for themselves...

    The need for gold, (and all precious metals) for technologies being produced at levels we have never seen, has driven the market dramatically... And the expectation is that this technology demand won't slow down as we move forward into even more technologies... Add to that the financial systems trying to gather it up? And this could be catastrophic.

    The number of gold coins we have seen in the last year, being pulled out of jewelry and being sold, is astonishing... And the scrap gold people are selling off, is also astonishing...

    Just more information for those buying gold and silver right now, or considering doing so...

    Get the real and physical gold.. Paper means nothing in a crisis... And I always tell them to MAKE SURE if they buy it in coin, that the coins they are buying are pure and not 90% gold... Or if they ARE 90% to pay accordingly. A quick internet search will tell you what your coin is... If you're weighing metals, remember to do so in TROY ounces, a kitchen scale measures an ounce differently.. And the best and most reliable way to weigh it is in DWT. or "Pennyweight".. That reduces each ounce to 20 DWT., making the math easier and easily done "On the fly" without a calculator versus weighing it in "grams", which is 31.1035. Cut the price in half then divide by ten... that's your "on the fly" math, which requires no calculator..... That will get you to 1/20 or a pennyweight...

    If gold "Spot price" (Market price) is $3,000 an ounce, and a coin is only 90% pure then there is only $2,700 worth of pure gold in that coin.. If you intend to refine it, to recover just that pure gold, you will be charged to do so, so a small reduction in that price could be added to make buying the coin worth your while.. And you may be taxed for the recovery as "Income"... (It's robbery considering the gold is already yours)...

    There is some wiggle room with gold prices as some will expect "spot" price, (Spot means what it is valued at at that time in the market) when the very next hour it could drop $100 an ounce.. Those who sell at top dollar HOPE that it stays long enough and only drops after you buy it at that top dollar.. I never do.. And many who sell that are savvy, expect a negotiation.

    If you buy physical gold, do not do so online, there are wayyyy too many people selling plated items... DO NOT BUY COINS FOR "COLLECTABLE VALUE" if you are buying as an investment... Trying to recoup your collectable value in a highly volatile market, won't be easy....

    Because I buy it as a commodity. If something tragic happens, selling a coin for a misprint at a higher cost won't happen in a crisis, with the expectation to get what it is valued at for it's flaws. It will be weighed like any other coin and bought for its weight.

    I don't know if they're planning something big in the financial world, in possibly backing our financial world with real gold and silver again? But SOMETHING huge is happening...

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    🇰🇷🛑🪙South Korea's mint has paused gold bar sales due to supply challenges and rising demand. The Korea Minting and Security Printing Corp. indicated it will resume sales when possible. This suspension comes as global traders are rushing to deliver bullion to the U.S. before potential new tariffs

    Gold prices have surged above benchmarks, indicating market tightness, particularly with large withdrawals from London vaults. The precious metal is reaching new highs in 2025 as concerns over U.S. tariffs, announced by President Donald Trump, elevate demand for reliable assets as investors leaving the US dollar.

    https://x.com/Hawkeye1745/status/1889786425840931181

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