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    Default Re: Jeffrey Epstein & Ghislaine Maxwell: the whole story so far

    Pressure ramping up on AG Bondi for not (yet) releasing the Epstein files. As for the reason why...there's been a lot of chatter on X:


    https://x.com/shellenberger/status/1894213201283186714


    https://x.com/RepLuna/status/1894199491709796554
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    Quote Posted by bojancan (here)

    https://theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/01/trump-jeffrey-epstein-tapes
    Jeffrey Epstein details close relationship with Trump in newly released tapes
    Stop, look and listen.

    THIS IS THE GUARDIAN. It's anti-Trump propaganda. You fall for it every time. You're NOT learning during your membership here, not a thing. You come here to preach, not to discuss and listen, and half the things you sincerely believe you know are incorrect.


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    This article illustrates my largest area of concern about Trump and indeed the whole US government and Intelligence apparatus - the overarching support for and protection of Israel and Mossad embedded in the US fabric of government including in Trump's family.

    If Epstein disclosures whitewash Mossad and US intelligence involvement in the honey-trap corruption, that will show not much has changed in that area, and the likelihood of Israel and the neocons 9/11-involvement Truths being exposed continues to be very, very low.





    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...-epstein-files

    Whistleblower Claims FBI Is Deleting Epstein Files

    by Tyler Durden
    Tuesday, Feb 25, 2025 - 08:55 PM
    Authored by blueapples,

    I hate writing in the first person but the following is really just meant to express my immense frustration with the Epstein Files™ (credit to Rudy Havenstein) hype. At this point, I have no idea why anyone in their right mind can consider the forthcoming disclosure of the documents as anything but a marketing ploy designed to coax people into believing that the deep state is being drained. While the Trump administration has markedly improved from its first term in tackling the bureaucracy of Permanent Washington compared to its first term, the exception to every rule once again has proven to be its subservience to the State Of Israel. With Epstein's all but irrefutable intelligence connections to Israel being a central dimension of the pedophile honeypot trap that he was running, scrutiny of the release of the files has to be viewed through the lens of that obsequiousness.

    Cause for that concern has been amplified following statements made by a whistleblower alleging that members of the FBI have started destroying evidence related to Jeffrey Epstein that is slated for release. The whistleblower, a self-described "indefinitely suspended FBI agent" going by the name Garret O'Boyle, confirmed reports from a source he knows in the FBI to veteran journalist Michael Shellenberger that the files are being deleted.

    https://x.com/shellenberger/status/1894213201283186714



    According to the source, FBI employees have been deleting sensitive files on Epstein that have been siloed into secure FBI servers since before newly sworn in director Kash Patel took over as head of the bureau. Due to the nature of the technical infrastructure storing the files, the whistleblower has claimed that the deletion of the evidence would render it completely unrecoverable. While Patel's confirmation as FBI Director was celebrated as a seminal moment ushering in a sea change against the deep state, it appears that it's been business as usual since he took over the post last week. Patel famously promised to shut down the J. Edgar Hoover building and "make it a museum to the Deep State" on day 1 of his tenure. While Patel did deploy over 1,000 FBI agents into the field from Washington, the Hoover building remains open and the most duplicitous members of the bureau are still operating at large by deleting crucial Epstein files.

    The revelation by this whistleblower comes as massive frustration over the handling of the release of the Epstein Files™ has become increasingly vocal. When news broke on Friday, February 21st that the files were waiting on the desk of Attorney General Pam Bondi, the announcement was met with adulation as speculation regarding who would be exposed ran rampant across X. Just 4 days later, that adulation has turned to aggravation with Bondi coming under fire for the delay in releasing the files being a sign that suspicion that their release would be little more than a limited hangout designed to protect major players for political reasons has been merited.

    That premise is such a paradoxical contradiction of the Trump administration's self-avowed commitment to put America First and expose the Deep State that is has apparently opened a rift in the space-time continuum and transported the United States to an alternate dimension where Democratic Rep. Ilhan Omar is starting to sound like the voice of reason.

    Anna Paulina Luna, the Republican House Representative of Florida's 13th Congressional District, who has also taken the lead of a task force designed to examine the widespread release of previously secretive documents declassified by the Trump administration ranging from Epstein to the JFK assassination to 9/11 joined critics of Bondi in directing her frustration at how the document disclosure is being carried out. Luna revealed that she has made several attempts to contact officials at the Department Of Justice under Attorney General Pam Bondi regarding the release of the files but that none of those attempts have been responded to.


    The public's dissatisfaction with how the document disclosure is being carried out has unfairly put the likes of Rep. Luna in the crosshairs as she has been on the receiving end of similar criticisms to those levied at AG Bondi. However, while the task force she will lead to examine the Epstein Files™ may be little more than kabuki theater, neither Luna nor the task force have any declassification authority to do anything other than encourage the DOJ, DNI, and other high ranking officials in the Trump administration deliberating upon when to release the files to expedite the process.

    In addition to airing her frustration at AG Bondi, Luna also spoke about the gravity of the claim about Epstein evidence being deleted that has been confirmed by Shellenberger. Luna confirmed that she intends to have a call with the whistleblower to discuss his claims. She stated that while the FBI employees deleting files have not yet been identified, she intends to pursue prosecution of those confirmed with doing so under any applicable charges; including treason.

    When remaking on Shellenberger's report, Luna attested that she still has the full faith of FBI Director Kash Patel and his newly appointed Deputy Director Dan Bongino. Luna expounded upon her thoughts, stating that the intent behind setting up the task force aimed at examining the wide array of forthcoming declassified files was done especially to combat the resistance from Deep State actors to disrupt their release. However, with the whistleblower confirming to Shellenberger that the deletion of the files has been going on since the task force was assembled, their threat to reign in those nefarious actors has proven to be toothless to this point.

    The elephant in the room that no one seems to be discussing amidst all this drama is precisely what files are being deleted and why. Speculation rightfully is directed at Epstein's connection to the intelligence community, a connection that was literally confirmed by former Trump administration Secretary Of Labor Alexander Acosta. During his consideration for the position in 2017, Acosta stated that he was instructed to approve a non-prosecution agreement offered to Epstein in 2008 to avoid any federal charges when he was a U.S. Attorney for the Southern District Of Florida. In that role, Acosta was overseeing the prosecution of Epstein following his arrest in Palm Beach, Florida for charges of sex trafficking minors. Acosta explained the reason behind approving the agreement to Trump administration officials by stating “I was told Epstein ‘belonged to intelligence’ and to leave it alone.”

    The resurfaced controversy surrounding the non-prosecution deal for Epstein that was approved by Acosta ultimately led to his resignation from his post as Secretary Of Labor. However, Acosta was not the only Trump administration official with ties to Epstein. Just 2 months following the short jail sentence Epstein served on state charges following his arrest in Palm Beach, the notorious pedophile was seen with hedge fund manager Wilbur Ross, who served as Trump's Secretary Of Commerce from 2017 to 2021. Ross was spotted with Epstein then alongside former CEO of Apollo Global Management, Leon Black, who resigned from his position in 2021 following an investigation into his ties with Epstein.

    The culmination of the Alexander Acosta saga with Epstein is the closest thing to irrefutable proof that Epstein was connected to the intelligence community that has ever come to light. With concern over what is being hidden by the deletion of files regarding Epstein that are due to be released, his connection to the intelligence community is one of many considerations that has to be taken into account about what is going to be kept from the public's eyes. Epstein's main conspirator in his sordid crimes, Ghislaine Maxwell, was the daughter of Robert Maxwell, who has long been speculated to have been a secret agent for the Mossad, the Israeli intelligence office that is equivalent to the CIA. By proxy, that suspicion has led to speculation that the intelligence agency Epstein was associated with was the Mossad as well.

    Any connection Epstein had to the intelligence community is likely to supersede the rank and file organization of agencies that the public understands about it. In all likelihood, Epstein was being used as an intelligence asset by multiple intelligence agencies from different countries in a coordinated effort, including the CIA, MI6, and the Mossad, although that beckons questions about where his true loyalty lied. Ominously, that same question can be raised about the senior Trump administration officials overseeing the release of the Epstein Files™. While those tasked with releasing the evidence have been outspoken critics of the CIA and overarching intelligence apparatus that serves the pervasive will of the Deep State, the one common denominator of concern that links all of them together — from AG Pam Bondi to FBI Director Kash Patel/Deputy Director Dan Bongino, and even Rep. Luna — is their unequivocal support for the State Of Israel. That underlying interest raises questions about whether any evidence implicating the Mossad will ever see the light of day.

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    Alex Jones speaking about the Epstein Files and the release and people getting impatient...



    I haven't got a list of time stamps - but some parts of this presentation are not for the faint hearted - Alex doesn't go into gruesome detail about the content of files but even just speaking/mentioning about raping babies and medical experiments and mentioning a 'torture chair'.... is somewhat soul destroying -

    he says how it's not just a 'list' that can just be copied and made public - but thousands and thousands and thousands of files - recordings of unspeakable perversion and unbelievable cruelty - going back 30 years -


    He says that good people have to go through the material and it will probably destroy them - like many have been destroyed in the past having to go through recordings of unspeakable cruelty towards children - snuff movies - rape and torture... and having to live with what they've seen....

    It drives me crazy and haunts me just seeing a picture of those poor Beagles being tortured in a Fauci experiment -

    so this unspeakably perverted paedophile + satanic material can't just be released... just like that - identities have to be concealed of the victims - details of that nature - after what the poor children had to go through it wouldn't be right that perverts can go through it and get off on their suffering and humiliation in the year 2025... who wants the horrors of the blackmail files circulating on the internet - to be seen by....????

    perhaps it will have to be MADE into a list.... and even that could be challenging - categorizing the crimes etc.

    It's a tough one...so Pam Bondi has to work it all out - ie. what to do and how to do it.... Anna Paulina Luna is caught in the crossfire of the delay...





    What's taking the DOJ so long to release the files that the Trump administration promised would soon be available to the American people? (Infowars page)

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by bojancan (here)

    https://theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/01/trump-jeffrey-epstein-tapes
    Jeffrey Epstein details close relationship with Trump in newly released tapes
    Stop, look and listen.

    THIS IS THE GUARDIAN. It's anti-Trump propaganda. You fall for it every time. You're NOT learning during your membership here, not a thing. You come here to preach, not to discuss and listen, and half the things you sincerely believe you know are incorrect.

    So Bill... with all due respect to you... yes, for sure, you are not respecting me... but anyway... that's you... I respect myself, because I believe in my researching...
    For sure... in opposite way as you do or did.... regarding Trump's big association with Epstein and his circle...

    Still believe, that will come out so much more, that many people, researchers were already posting through decades about connections Epstein, Clinton, Trump, Andrew, Mercers, O"Neil, Gates, Musk and hundreds of very "important" with their positions people around the world!

    If only go and research about very early years... 1985 forward connections Epstein, Roy Cohn, Trump, Maxwell... you will get the picture! The whole picture!
    Yes, I know that those admirers and believers of Trump... will never go there and will close their eyes and ears.. So be it!

    I want that all the truth come out... not only from Trump's point of view!!!

    Thank you for reading few words of mine... I believe that Trump is not a good person... He is a liar, opportunist and not honest person... con man!

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    That is a good point.
    There are a few troubling videos I have had a glimpse of in the last years and I can never unsee them.

    Ukraine and Gaza war stuff, that I watched not realising how it would effect me.

    Still nothing like what must be in those Epstein tapes...

    Some stuff is better unreleased. People wont be able to cope...

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    Epstein Files Next? Trump's Top Gun FBI Boss Kash Patel Pushed to Unseal Files | Who’s Hiding What?



    U.S. Senator Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.) fired off a blistering letter to FBI Director Kash Patel and Attorney General Pam Bondi, demanding the immediate release of Jeffrey Epstein’s unredacted flight logs from his private jet and helicopter, alongside every scrap of evidence tied to Ghislaine Maxwell—including her infamous “little black book.”

    Blackburn also pressed for all video surveillance from Epstein’s Palm Beach, Florida estate to be made public. In a pivotal moment during his confirmation hearing, Patel pledged to team up with Blackburn to rip open these long-sealed files and deliver the transparency Americans have been clamoring for.

    =========

    I am not hanging in MeidasTouch because of their anti Trump rhetorics... but here and there, they are exactly on point... as for connections Epstein Trump.. they were very on point always!!! Yes, The truth will come out for sure!!!


    UH OH! Trump in PANIC as Files GO MISSING

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    Quote Posted by meat suit (here)
    That is a good point.
    There are a few troubling videos I have had a glimpse of in the last years and I can never unsee them.

    Ukraine and Gaza war stuff, that I watched not realising how it would effect me.

    Still nothing like what must be in those Epstein tapes...

    Some stuff is better unreleased. People wont be able to cope...

    Yes I happened to catch Alex talking about it last night and it brought it home to me what an enormous task it is to look at it all... catalogue it etc - decide what to release and how... and what's going to happen when they find evidence of serious crimes involving children - (this was a blackmail operation after all for world domination )..... and the perpetrator is still alive and maybe in high office of some kind - like a judge for example...

    they are going to need teams of legal professionals to deal with situations like that....

    perhaps there are a lot of guilty people quietly resigning and disappearing...?

    perhaps prosecutions will come eventually - for really serious crimes - resulting in prison or some even facing the death penalty - ?

    Nothing is more abhorrent than serious crimes against innocent children ....

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    "FBI agents caught DESTROYING evidence" as Kash Patel takes over Bureau | Redacted News
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    I just don't believe FBI agents have been caught destroying evidence as Kash Patel takes over. They've had months to get rid of them as Trump has always said he would release the files. My guess is that some files are staying classified after all :/
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    The briefest personal comment: I strongly suspect there are very good reasons why there's been a short delay. Those may include legal issues more complex than most of us could easily understand, which may extend to international relationships — for example with Israel. The delay right now is only a few days.

    I'm sure Pam Bondi will be true to her word. There's bound to be clickbait alt media hysteria about all this, but we may just have to be little wise and patient.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    The briefest personal comment: I strongly suspect there are very good reasons why there's been a short delay. Those may include legal issues more complex than most of us could easily understand, which may extend to international relationships — for example with Israel. The delay right now is only a few days.

    I'm sure Pam Bondi will be true to her word. There's bound to be clickbait alt media hysteria about all this, but we may just have to be little wise and patient.
    An update, having just read this new article on Zero Hedge: (published yesterday evening US time)

    https://zerohedge.com/political/epstein-files-tomorrow-ag-pam-bondi-announces-thursday-release-250-victim-names-redacted

    EPSTEIN FILES TOMORROW: AG Pam Bondi announces Thursday release as 250 Victim Names Redacted

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    The briefest personal comment: I strongly suspect there are very good reasons why there's been a short delay. Those may include legal issues more complex than most of us could easily understand, which may extend to international relationships — for example with Israel. The delay right now is only a few days.

    I'm sure Pam Bondi will be true to her word. There's bound to be clickbait alt media hysteria about all this, but we may just have to be little wise and patient.
    I honestly don't see what the big deal is about this, most of us already have a good idea about some of the names that'll be on this list.

    This probably won't even have much of a wow factor at all, some will gripe about it for a few days and it'll just fade away like most things do.

    What's people really expecting? Indictments and prosecutions? LOL!
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    The briefest personal comment: I strongly suspect there are very good reasons why there's been a short delay. Those may include legal issues more complex than most of us could easily understand, which may extend to international relationships — for example with Israel. The delay right now is only a few days.

    I'm sure Pam Bondi will be true to her word. There's bound to be clickbait alt media hysteria about all this, but we may just have to be little wise and patient.
    An update, having just read this new article on Zero Hedge: (published yesterday evening US time)

    https://zerohedge.com/political/epstein-files-tomorrow-ag-pam-bondi-announces-thursday-release-250-victim-names-redacted

    EPSTEIN FILES TOMORROW: AG Pam Bondi announces Thursday release as 250 Victim Names Redacted
    Agreed, and I also suspect it will be some names, definitely not all. Ghislaine Maxwell is the person who some information, or as much as possible, should be gleaned from, with, one would assume, certain conditions attached. She's still incarcerated too.

    It'll be fascinating to see who will be 'outed'.

    As you say, patience is key here coupled with being as un-hysterical as possible.
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    https://x.com/BreannaMorello/status/1895177003437039662



    JUST IN: The Epstein Files: Phase 1 has been given to @libsoftiktok, @CollinRugg, @DC_Draino, @Cernovich, and @JackPosobiec.

    — Breanna Morello (@BreannaMorello) February 27, 2025



    https://x.com/AwakenedOutlaw/status/1895156168647127180



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    Watching @RSBNetwork for the upcoming presser from the Oval Office with the UK Prime Minister and @DC_Draino was captured on video leaving the White House with this folder.

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    "Yeah they're covering up the Epstein Files release by giving copies to [checks card] a bunch of social media influencers on X with a combined following of over 10 million people."


    https://x.com/Ultrafrog17/status/1895171638104355045




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    Alina Habba says that Kash Patel and Pam Bondi will work to actually arrest Epstein's clients!
    Now we are talking. The hammer of justice is coming!

    "Now with Kash and Pam, there will be accountability.
    We are likely to see criminal actions being taken?Absolutely. It would be negligent for us not to.
    You have to have individuals who are rapists held accountable."
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    Green Lives Matter
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    Alina Habba says that Kash Patel and Pam Bondi will work to actually arrest Epstein's clients!
    Now we are talking. The hammer of justice is coming!

    "Now with Kash and Pam, there will be accountability.
    We are likely to see criminal actions being taken?Absolutely. It would be negligent for us not to.
    You have to have individuals who are rapists held accountable."
    [/QUOTE]

    What I see here... Nothing trustworthy!!! Everything will be so much redacted... I do not trust people around this administration at all... specially Haba & Co

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    copying here

    Quote Posted by mountain_jim (here)
    https://x.com/_emergent_/status/1895181824093270130



    Physical copies of the "Epsten Files: Phase 1" have already been handed out. @DC_Draino, @ChayaRaichik10, Cernovich, and @Liz_Wheeler pictured here, each with a copy. https://t.co/Tfaj6085oN

    — Emergent Perspective (@_emergent_) February 27, 2025


    https://x.com/DC_Draino/status/1895180633053200563




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    🚨Today I met with President Trump, VP JD Vance, AG Pam Bondi, and FBI Director Kash Patel in the Oval Office

    They handed me a binder copy of the Epstein Files


    This is the most transparent administration in American history

    The best part? This is just the start. AG Bondi confirmed there are thousands more Epstein File documents being secretly held in the SDNY and they will be delivered to the DOJ in DC by February 28

    People will be going to jail for what they’ve done

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...names-redacted

    Quote According to the NY Post, however, it's a nothingburger...

    A source who has reviewed the files said the release spans more than 100 pages, including a list of contacts without further context.

    The person said the unveiling was likely to be a “disappointment” to sleuths eager for bombshell new evidence about the billionaire pedophile’s connection to prominent political and business leaders.

    ..

    "This is just the start. AG Bondi confirmed there are thousands more Epstein File documents being secretly held in the SDNY and they will be delivered to the DOJ in DC by February 28," wrote @DC_Draino who received a binder.
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    Oscars this year


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    "Press access isn't a privilege for reporters.... it's a RIGHT for the American people and all people of the world".... isn't it???????

    “RELEASE THE FILES!” Trump’s Epstein Files Controversy & Whats Really Going On with DOGE?




    I am apologizing, that in this video Phillip is talking about Epstein Saga only for 3 minutes... he is having some other topics... so, sorry for that... but he is interesting guy!
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    Interesting they gave this to social media influencers and not members of the legacy media. And it shouldn't take a genius to guess why. In my opinion it's to deny them the prestige of the scoop and the likely big ratings it would bring. This is a slap in the face, and a calculated one. There's going to be a lot of pissed off newsrooms tonight!
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