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    Default Disclosure : What it is and Isn't ( and Why the Control System Cannot Disclose )




    Be warned, this may be longer than usual -and quite the rabbit hole.

    For those of you who may only have a moment to take in the general gist of what I have to say, I will first put through a general statement -before going into the particulars. Let it be said that what follows is my current understanding -which is a work in progress. In writing this I am drawing from a combination of my direct experience, meditations and contemplations, as well as Ideas originating with others I have taken into my contemplations. This said, let’s begin.

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    My own perspective is that there is no real disclosure in 3D, at the 3D level of consciousness, which is a planetary (not galactic-level) curriculum. Genuine disclosure happens 1) from the inside out ONLY, and 2) as one achieves a graduation status through the refinement process 3D invokes upon us (or in other words, through an improvement in the quality of our consciousness). It all breaks down into the decisions we make while incarnate.

    The control system is fundamentally neutral and in place to ensure 3D stays 3D, to ensure the 3rd grade classroom stays what it is. It is the individual who graduates, not the grade (not “the world”). This is where I feel those of us who do, mis-step. By trying to bring disclosure to the world, the 3rd grade class and 3rd graders. This is more apt to set one back and distract them from the true task at hand. There are two main potentials, the one that leads out into the next sphere of experience (galactic existence, 4-5-6D), and the one where a series of catastrophes lead to the current cycle / 3D grade paradigm going down and repeating.

    Extraterrestrials play a part in each of these scenarios. The latter of which may involve the more negative, the scavenger types and those who would most certainly take advantage of the situation and impinge upon free will. The former of which involves a mix, but more-so those most aligned with our own center of gravity. When we reach this point in the cycle of time it is more important than anything to keep a steady, unblinking eye on ourself, the quality from which we both move and motivate. This opportunity comes only once in a very great while.

    Do you have time to delve in a little further?

    Let’s keep going.

    HOW I AM DEFINING DISCLOSURE

    Since there are many ways to come at and understand this concept, let me now take a moment to say what I DO and do not mean by “disclosure”.

    First, there is NATURAL disclosure.

    Natural, or real disclosure, happens as all reality does, from the within-ness of ourself outward. Consciousness is what lies at the foundation of our mortal shell. So here what I am saying is that IN consciousness, the next sphere-of-experience ( 4-5-6D, galactic life ) out from where we are now ( 3D, planetary existence ) arrives, or arises first from within this, our own central self – awareness – or some might say “mind”. This, then, begins to project itself, into and through direct inner experience, until, ultimately, fully manifest in what we see as our outer reality. By the time the latter of this happens we have graduated into the next sphere- the galactic reality.

    This process is no joke, those who attempt and attain it are due sincere respect and genuine appreciation. Without these precious examples there would be no hope at all for the rest of us. Going back to the 1970’s there is the example of the 4-minute mile. Until it was achieved no-one could reach it. But once someone did, it became increasingly possible. Graduation is like this. It requires a first -following this it becomes possible for the rest. The question is, will we follow? -will we see what needs to be seen while the window of opportunity is still open.

    Secondly, there is forced disclosure.

    The central crux of forced, or false disclosure pertains to a GLOBAL or majority disclosure, wherein individuals, whether by themselves on their own, or in coming together with others in groups attempt to inform and prove to the 3D Earth-world-population the presence of extraterrestrial ( ie: galactic-level ) consciousness for the purpose of this going on the record as a universally understood reality. Let me say here with resolve and absolute certainty this will never happen. The gradient we are in is what it is. The pursuit of altering its rule set is at best a waste of precious time and at worst a de-grading of ourself, potentially to the point of not making the grade—not graduating the paradigm here now while the opportunity for it is so widely present.

    What I am not including in the definition of disclosure of this type is the incidence of individuals openly, or candidly disclosing their own body of direct experience in awakening to galactic life. Experience is subjective and in an “objective” world this proves nothing; every being remains sovereign in their choice to continue adhering to their 3D world-view and/or begin growing out of it—all in their own right timing. It is important to mention that not everyone’s central nervous system is made ready for graduation in unison. Great damage can be done when forcing a truth upon another <—this is in the category of a negative behavior; know this.

    In closing on this note >>

    Natural disclosure is a real phenomenon and is being experienced by many across our globe at present—hundreds, thousands, maybe more. Those of us who come forward to speak publicly, or out in the open do so as a way of 1) clarifying the event within ourselves, 2) alerting others within graduating range of the event being in play, and 3) averting attention to ourselves in order to draw it away from those less ready to confront opposing forces.

    Forced disclosure will never happen. It is doomed always, by the nature of what it is (and isn’t) to collapse upon itself,—what is false will always be false —what is false/forced will never bring about anything real, a facade is the most it can achieve.

    THE 3D CONTROL SYSTEM AND WHAT IT IS

    It truly does surprise me how many understand the 3D Control System negatively. I do not understand it this way and feel that what it is, is beyond what most are yet seeing. I would say that if it is being defined by individuals or groups that can be named, such as those who are, or have been incarnate on our planet — we are not speaking of the same thing.

    What comprises the 3D Control System is not anyone or anything that any one of us will ever see or know while incarnate here. We may glean fragments, I sometimes think I do, something along the line of vaguely remembered principles. There may be those who are born locally into the role of Control System maintenance, but, they, themselves are not the Control System itself — and, they, just like each one of us, may potentially fail in their role and responsibility ( a 3D incarnate is a 3D incarnate ). This makes neither them, nor us, in this itself necessarily negative. It is more that some lives in the end are a success -relative to their plan, and some not.

    The 3D Control System, I, myself, at present, would say is a set of definitions; these definitions may include, or incorporate core principles — principles that would abide by Cosmic law. As we ourselves might see it, the System is represented and maintained through multiple spheres of existence leading into and including our own. The System itself is fundamentally, existentially, and necessarily NEUTRAL. As are, I feel, all those architecture-d and birthed into representing and maintaining it. Who will forever, with good reason and for all due purpose be invisible to the masses. We will never know their identity -not in life.

    Those we can name are NOT of the Control System, they are not It’s direct representatives, and not even maintenance personnel — they are minions, many of which, yes, I feel have likely accepted and are navigating negative bents. They may hold key offices we deem important but they are in control of nothing. They follow the directions they are given. The directions are 1) relative to, and in direct alignment with the current collective consciousness of humanity, and 2) designed to provide what I call “the torque” to get people to move and to choose — to get them off the fence and decide / make decisions, which is how we learn and change and grow.

    You notice how it is though, with most people most of the time, right?

    Until things get bad, we tend to do little or nothing at all. Let’s not blame the System for what is more rightly our own failure to launch. We’ve got to be smarter than that. We’ve got to learn to see ourselves, to choose and change before things get so bad.

    To learn why the Control System cannot disclose
    (keep reading)

    WHAT HAPPENS IF WE BRING DISCLOSURE ( ETs ) INTO OUR 3D EARTH SPACE?

    Consider this carefully —what happens in our 3D world any time there is more than one dominant species ( civilization, country, company, etc.. )? We know very well what happens. We see it every day. Competition and war. Please let me point out that bringing galactic-level beings into our 3D world DOES NOT GRADUATE US FROM THIS SPHERE. We ourselves are still limited in our range, to our current level of individual and collective consciousness as well as to this planet.

    It is with some degree of relative ease that it can be seen there is only one type of being who would enter a 3D ( ie: not yet galactic-level ) experiment, classroom, home-world, free will system currently housing an existent, evolving intelligent species that is not yet aware of the existence of extraterrestrials. Those who would seek to dominate and then destroy that species. What would happen? —without even an ounce of doubt, domination, followed by our demise.

    Positively oriented entities DO NOT INTERFERE.

    The act of interfering imposes a ‘force’ and depolarizes them,
    holds them back, stunts their growth, limits them.

    We might possibly get some direct help from those still traversing the upper rungs (ie: benevolent spectrum) of the negatively oriented (ie: who will still infringe upon free-will in certain situations). In fact we sometimes hear of this, don’t we? Often we bicker amongst ourselves as to whether these beings are ‘good’ or ‘bad’, positive or negative. And this is why, we inherently pick up from within ourselves the principles behind all this. As I have described -although on the benevolent spectrum, it is of the negative. It can be a bit of a dichotomy until more fully gleaned and understood. With proper contemplation, it does come to be.

    Let’s continue on this note a little further.

    ARE THERE REALLY GOOD AND BAD ETs?

    Polarity as we know it, and as I, myself, perceive it, exists through both the 1st and 2nd spheres—the first sphere being planetary-level existence ( 1-2-3D ), the second sphere being galactic-level existence ( 4-5-6D ). By “good” I generally mean positive, and by “bad” I generally mean negative. However, as with everything, there is a spectrum on every theme. So there is a spectrum of positive, and a spectrum of negative -with the latter this extends from the upper rungs, being more benevolent, to the lower, being more malevolent. Interestingly, it is the benevolent spectrum negatives who we as Earth humans more generally tend to perceive as “good”, while the non-interfering positives often get framed in an ill light. As individuals and as a species we have a lot to learn. If we look out into our world at present, it can be seen this is exactly what we are in the process of learning -and for good reason. Clarity on all this is critical to galactic life.

    The way I currently discern the positive from the negative is as follows: the positive, or positively oriented will not under any circumstance infringe upon the free will of another, while the negatively oriented will -for any reason extending from the more benevolent, such as it being for what they see as your own good, to the more malevolent, such as to dominate you.

    THE ETHERIC FREQUENCY BANDWIDTH

    The vast majority of those in the 3D Earth-life will never learn through direct experience about dimensions and frequency-bandwidths ( until potentially nearing graduation ). Yet, it is an important subject to begin delving into – because the etheric frequency bandwidth of our planet is the gateway by which galactic-level beings do access and may affect our 3D Earth world. It is also the gateway between our sphere, our planetary-level existence and the galactic reality.

    When shifting into and out of Earth space I had to pass through this frequency bandwidth ( as most OBErs do ). Not everyone does ( or experiences ) this in the same level of awareness, though. Most tend to linger in the field and it is where near the entirety of their experience takes place *there is little awareness of what is beyond it; they keep to the planet, and more specifically and narrowly their neighborhood, their house, their bedroom. It can take a great leap of faith, or curiosity to move through this threshold and venture out into what lies beyond.

    Suffice it to say, for the purpose of what we are discussing here, this frequency bandwidth is where I would suggest ALL sightings and contact experiences with galactic-level beings take place. To leave the possibility open to the unpredictable, there may be extremely rare exceptions where something completely off the radar occurs, but for the greatest extent of the most part ( If you get my highly overt gist ), no form of physical contact occurs in 3D Earth space. It occurs in the etheric frequency bandwidth of our planet. The difference between these could not be larger than night and day, however, even with this said I must add that most are not discerning of the difference. This is because they are not yet thinking in these terms -in terms of frequencies.

    Before moving on I can say this:

    The brainwaves are not predominantly in beta when in the etheric frequency bandwidth. So the experience is notably different if paying full attention. The field and those in it are not experienced with as much separation as when the brainwaves are predominantly in beta. All this is experienced to some degree more directly through one’s own being and biology. This takes some getting used to. There is, or may not yet be a full telepathic capacity, but it is heightened more-so than when in 3D physical space ( ie: the predominant BETA wave ). There are differences. This is my main point. The differences are detectible, discernible. Of course the big give-a-way, as we are discussing here, is the potential presence of non-local space craft and what we call extraterrestrials. When this happens, you are simply not in Kansas anymore. Realize this.

    The beings do not step themselves down into 3D. —Let’s get clear here and now.

    We step ourselves UP into the etheric frequency bandwidth.
    (though not exactly unaided)

    Out of 3D Earth space.


    BETWEEN THE VISUAL AND THE VOID
    the verge of the known and unknown

    This is something I absorbed in spiritual study and disciplines, then more completely through the OBE, conscious shifts into and out of 3D Earth space and also through the work with the crystal. It is an extra bonus for those precious few who find themselves here still reading at this juncture -who feel they can let in a little more. I will just throw it out here bluntly.

    I myself am the reality I am experiencing—I and I alone.
    (though there is quite a lot that composes me)
    There is no world out there.
    I alone exist.

    It is why Ghandi famously said to “be the change you want to see in the world.”

    Self is the reality, world is the mirror – one’s self reflection.
    I must then change. The mirror reflect this.

    There is a purpose for me saying what I am.

    The reason Self, Consciousness, is seen as VOID is because it is singular – ONE without a second. There is no other outside the self. All fractals down from within. Feel this.

    VOID is important. It is without beginning and without end.

    All that is seen is colored upon it

    When I first experienced the VOID I observed how it is I do this. I could have only seen it this clearly from here. Imagine. You are enveloped by the pitchest of black. You are aware of yourself but can see nothing. While you are coming to grips with this, scrambling to catch up with what is happening, a light flashes out at you through the distance. Your most immediate, instinctual if not startled thought, “what is that?!” I will tell you we do this in near every moment without realizing. On a conscious level we may hear or see something that is new to us and we don’t know yet what to think about it. We immediately begin asking “what?!!” “what is that?!” — it is not anything yet ( it is brand new to us ) and the answer we ourselves come up with is what it becomes. What we then move into relationship with and begin to experience, real as real can be. Without the slightest inkling we just manifested and moved into a dance with our own thought. The more we think it, the more we reinforce the thought, the more stable a SOLID reality it becomes.

    Imagine again. You are sitting down in the center of a large movie theater. The lights are dimming and the movie is about to begin. There is a large screen directly in front of you and the movie soon begins playing. But observe. Is the movie really in front of you on the screen? Is it really? It is not. It is projected there onto the screen. The movie is behind you on a filmstrip in the projector. Light is passed through it and frame by frame it plays upon the screen.

    Our more real-life movie is no different.

    Let’s come back to DISCLOSURE.

    I said up there at the beginning that natural, or real disclosure, happens as all reality does, from the inside-out ONLY — from the within-ness of ourself outward. I have shared that SELF is the reality, the world a mirror, and that nothing fundamentally exists outside the self.

    Do you see more clearly now why genuine disclosure can only arise/arrive from within? How else could it be projected into the field ( the screen, the world ) if it does not first appear in the filmstrip? It of course cannot. This is why, in reality, it will not ever happen any other way ( and why the Control System cannot disclose, it holds the space for natural [ not catastrophic ] disclosure ). See through the fake stuff and facades designed to distract. See through the fears of some other-selves, and false thoughts ( false matrices ), notably the ones intentionally designed to get you to mis-step. Be careful of what you take on to experience yourself.

    There is no rush to disclosure – there is a need to awaken to the self, to who you really are, to reality and the way it works. First, foremost and fundamentally disclosure is this. Once this is seen, it is seen how the extraterrestrial reality fits into it.

    Disclosure is for the individual, not the group. It is an awakening of the self the rest of oneself — in the process it is seen how the collective fits into this. Begin with the singular, the self, the one, the individual, for this is tried and true. Feel its felt presence, your felt presence and know there is but ONE being here and you are its representative.

    Delve into this singular point, again and again and again. You will begin to surface with what matters most. Walk this, one foot in front of the other into all the days of your life and fulfilling your purpose in being here now is a given. Success is a given.

    Okay.
    I have said a mouthful. I am going to leave off here.

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    Default Re: Disclosure : What it is and Isn't ( and Why the Control System Cannot Disclose )

    Interesting post, Casey. I have gotten a half to a third read, and must give it a rest for now, because am at the end of my day and tired.

    IMO, the awarenesses that you call natural disclosure, if I get you right, are part if what I consider to be evolution of our souls in this incarnate state, should we try. I find it odd that you kind of look outward, citing a greater outer reality as a goal.

    In my experience, my personal earthly interactions are sufficient to learn higher rules, step by step. IMO whatever value I’ve accrued, is available as an example, either directly or through impersonal help to others by spirit helpers. I am way shy now of trying to pass along personal wisdoms, because every other person here has as deep a life as mine.

    I look forward to reading the rest of your post. Cheers, and peace. ♥️👻😊

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    Default Re: Disclosure : What it is and Isn't ( and Why the Control System Cannot Disclose )

    Thank you Casey , your information is extraordinary .

    I've come to about the same conclusion right from the beginning of "extraterrestrial awareness" and repeatedly,
    in this human life.

    "Disclosure" is not what is important. What is important depends by whose rules are you playing.


    Suppose they want to play a "game" that is somewhat like the Pokemon Hunt Game and are persistently hiding "tokens" in museums, libraries, under bridges and behind the trashbin
    it's clear that their game is indefinitely longer than any known human proving process,
    it's indeed survived most patches of our history

    though for those of us who are like children
    of pure heart
    it's definitely one worth playing.


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    Default Re: Disclosure : What it is and Isn't ( and Why the Control System Cannot Disclose )

    Thanks for your thoughts, Casey. Yes, even as J Allen Hynek indicated, to understand the extra-terrestrial aspect one has to understand the spiritual aspect. In my own experiences I have observed that no matter what kind of body we have, whether it be a "Gray", Reptilian, Mantis, human-like, etc, etc, we are all spiritual beings.

    I think that even if there is true and full disclosure of the ET presence, it will not address the spiritual aspect--at least initially. And when it does there's gonna be a lot of whining and protests from religious people stuck in their own particular dogmas. After all, it is the ancient gods [aka, Anunnaki, Illu, Archons, Watchers, Neter, (or whatever label people want to use)] that have programmed this planet's religions, secret societies, etc, for thousands of years.

    One has to seek truth and do deep research to deprogram oneself of all lies and deceptions we've been subjected to since birth. Not an easy task. It really does take a lot of time to do that. "With patience possess ye your souls."

    From my own experience one needs to address our spiritual aspects which includes learning to meditate by not thinking and just being, practicing spiritual abilities that we all possess like telepathy, remote viewing and out of body experiences, examining one's past lives to remember and learn about the spiritual abilities that we used to have, learning about what got each of us in the here and now, etc, etc. In other words "know thyself" in the fullest meaning of that expression. It's about really getting the big picture.

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    Default Re: Disclosure : What it is and Isn't ( and Why the Control System Cannot Disclose )

    After many years of anticipating 'Disclosure' I've become very light footed on it lately. There's a fundamental point about that word disclosure that I know I have and I'm sure many have skipped for the sake of exploring a shared narrative adventure that's gone on for decades, even as far back as the days of real boots on the ground plodding journalists/investigators before the spoon fed stuff of the last few years. That point is that we don't know what there is to disclose.

    We have a gathered field of welcoming parties generally getting on quite well with each other except for one or two. There's a lot of intellectual consensus to the point that there's a lot of filling in the blanks consensus going on too. The waiting has partially been resolved by writing it ourselves.

    That wouldn't be an issue worth mentioning if all that was going on was a simple planet of innocent humans in ignorance of a greater truth about greater nature. I'll suggest here that the situation we are in is not that simple. The ignorance or naivety part is kinda obvious now but the simple innocence of progress out of that naivety has an intelligent adversary potentially engaged in manipulating that development. I said potentially but personally I'm sure that is so and I speak on that assumption.

    I don't have the required brain 'horsepower' to write a convincing thesis about that so I won't try, at least not any time soon, but never say never. I'm always cautious about externally originated consensus, it seems like an oxymoron to me.
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    Royal Doktor Snuggels, useful to counteract 😎www.youtube.com/@RoyalDoktorSnuggels

    https://www.facebook.com/10007826811...T9msGPdbr8I4ll

    I can't find this particular video on youtube - someone sent this to me - the top link shares a rife channel (which is very interesting) and the the link just above shows the particular (reel) video but on FB - one doesn't have to log into FB to see it. Its only 6 minutes long and I found it interesting.

    How 5G counters the aether - the 5G is like synthetic aether with repeaters.

    Replacing the aether with synthetic aether which is 5G?

    What about a halopulser - has anyone used this to block these frequencies?
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    Default Re: Disclosure : What it is and Isn't ( and Why the Control System Cannot Disclose )

    Johnny, Agape, TrumanCash, Norman, Eva..

    I just want to send out a thank you, for reading and taking in what you could of what I've said above. I know that following along with other people's thought process is far from easy.

    Johnny said, "I find it odd that you kind of look outward, citing a greater outer reality as a goal."

    I am trying to understand what in particular you are pointing to (in what I've said) that has lead you to say this. What I feel I have attempted, in a quite long winded fashion, is to point to the SELF as the center and circumference of what we call reality. Meaning, that it is both the "inner" AND the "outer". If you stopped at the halfway mark in the post this may be why last night you had not yet gotten there? If there is more to what you are seeing I do wish to understand. Please say more and I will try to pick up on this more-so than I am now.

    TrumanCash, yes, I would very much agree that the Creation, including all of the species are fundamentally a One Consciousness, fractal-ed down into the largest crayola box we have ever seen. A ONENESS through which this splitting off is seeking a harmony, or harmonious balance through which insight into oneself might arise, or be aroused. I feel it does not come to us, until the oneness-of-all-things is detected. It is the great leveler, what levels all playing fields. It does seem to be the equanimity that allows what is more true to flow through and inform us. No easy feat when faced with those very energetically distinct from ourself. But the process is not one I would stop to save my own life. I find it, genuinely, to be this precious. The reuniting of the Spiritual with the physical is very much the task at hand.

    Norman, the words "I don't know", or "we don't know" I feel are the truest words we can speak while 3D incarnate. If we would only genuinely speak them more. Truly, can you imagine? We would build far fewer walls between ourselves. We would be so much more open to communicate. So much more able to get along. I don't know anything. In separation I am experientially, to a large degree cut off from what knows. As a spiritual student I became practiced and even advanced at asking questions. At opening to possibilities. Observing them in great detail. But this does not equal knowing. What is written with these hands, spoken with this tongue, comes to me. I cannot even claim it as mine. This is interesting, fascinating, even, just in itself. But, yes, ( I digress ), we fill in the blanks for what we don't know and try to form a more complete and cohesive picture. I think we just have to take greater care with these pictures, we truly are creating realities, not very highly developed ones at that. I have a question. What if that intelligent adversary you mention were more simply torque? You know, a differential by which we are more capable of SPIN. What if it is by our own spin ( envision an old LP on the turntable ) that we are able to play our own song, sing more fully into being who we are, express and experience more of our latent potential? Then what? Is the torque really an adversary? an enemy?

    When I fist started going out of body and my central nervous system was in shock, when I knew these experiences were not going to stop and there was nothing else I could do, I remember very sternly, in a highly focused manner sending a message out into the space. "I do not know who you are, and I do not know why you are here, or why this is happening but I will tell you this, all of what happens here forward WILL be to my advantage." I was adamant, damned if I was going to let any of what this was bring me down. We are always choosing our stance, the relationship we are going to have with an experience. Our own choices are all that really matter. What we ourself bring to the experience is what gets reflected back. I am cognizing this more thoroughly, more and more. It is the really big thing I have to share.

    Eva,

    I am not familiar with the halopulser.

    But I can say this. I tend to work more directly with-and-through consciousness, than with gadgets. Cool as they be!
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    Eva,

    I am not familiar with the halopulser.

    But I can say this. I tend to work more directly with-and-through consciousness, than with gadgets. Cool as they be![/QUOTE]

    I agree with you Casey but I'm not in your "territory" by a long stretch so I have to depend somewhat on outside devices. I hope one day soon to be able to be that connected and understanding of that higher consciousness - not there yet though. I have had a lot of phenomena occur in my life but without a real connection or understanding of it, then it is just a peek into other worlds with images and not much more. I just ran the halopulser idea by a friend who is an astrophysicist and he mentioned that some of the claims are totally nonsensical, the bubble claim they make is bogus and something to effect that electromagnetic radiation can't be cancelled by adding more radiation the way its being claimed and more on that .....

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    It just happened to me to say , when we speak of consciously preparing for "close encounters with ET",

    it's important to realise we are preparing for an experience .

    We don't know "what exactly to expect" but I've got the feeling through last couple years of intended, live observation of the humanozone ,

    that it's something that emerges from "within us" rather than something we can observe out there, it may be both only at the "yuga nadi" , the point on the "nadir" of timespace convergence between their and ours timespace bubbles.

    But closer we come to the T point of Contact ,
    we may be able to reflect their reality from close
    like in giant mirror.

    Perhaps the "blind are going to see" , the "deaf Will hear" and so forth.

    I skip being canonical, religious or prophetic about it because it's not the Time. Save it for the Ends day so to say

    There is almost nothing we will have to do about seeing through to their "reality bubble" and we will feel , like twins, like twinkling stars, brothers and sisters, for a moment.

    One has to realise that the world also WILL continue after the Contact with ET and that people will come out of the experience, differently , beautified, purified, empowered .

    Some may get little lost .


    Most religious people around the world consent there is nothing to fear.

    The fear that is on human side, of this world only is entirely human , our own wrongdoings , historical and other conditioning, ignorance, some are still "ritually" trying to blame on the "Gods of the Rain" .

    I'm 100% sure there IS a new world on the Way
    for All Those Who Can Take It.


    🎉🎉🎉


    **** though I suspect they like the religious part of us the most """"",,,,🙏


    May Peace Prevail
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    Johnny, Agape, TrumanCash, Norman, Eva..

    I just want to send out a thank you…


    Johnny said, "I find it odd that you kind of look outward, citing a greater outer reality as a goal."

    I am trying to understand what in particular you are pointing to (in what I've said) that has lead you to say this. What I feel I have attempted, in a quite long winded fashion, is to point to the SELF as the center and circumference of what we call reality. Meaning, that it is both the "inner" AND the "outer". If you stopped at the halfway mark in the post this may be why last night you had not yet gotten there? If there is more to what you are seeing I do wish to understand. Please say more and I will try to pick up on this more-so than I am now.
    Hi Casey, thanks for your response. I have not yet continued reading your original post, so will explain myself in reference to your first of two paragraphs about “natural, or real disclosure”.

    My perception of an outer goal, notwithstanding your crediting of an inner series of processes, comes from your entertaining the prospect of “the next sphere-of-experience ( 4-5-6D, galactic life ) out from where we are now ( 3D, planetary existence ) arrives, …”. To me this means you are set on exploring the various levels of consciousness between so-called “3-D” and Heaven. Heaven being the top floor, if we could push a button for movement in soul-development space. My perspective comes from being told that we can choose the top floor, from this mortal life, and that any other floors are a detour.

    My view of the prospects of earthly life for soul development is not IMO overly rosy. Being a practical lad, I do see that many incarnated lifetimes and or lots of discarnate time may be necessary. I just like the feeling of the idea that direct steps are better for the whole than choices to have personal experiences.

    Something else related that I was told about our eventual goal of perfecting ourselves, is (my wording) “The last to have been tempted will be the first to return to Heaven, and the first that left Heaven will be the last to return.”. This is the reason why I am very wary of leading others. Lots of detour wasted time possible that must eventually be righted, if my goal is not the highest.

    Quote Natural, or real disclosure, happens as all reality does, from the within-ness of ourself outward. Consciousness is what lies at the foundation of our mortal shell. So here what I am saying is that IN consciousness, the next sphere-of-experience ( 4-5-6D, galactic life ) out from where we are now ( 3D, planetary existence ) arrives, or arises first from within this, our own central self – awareness – or some might say “mind”. This, then, begins to project itself, into and through direct inner experience, until, ultimately, fully manifest in what we see as our outer reality. By the time the latter of this happens we have graduated into the next sphere- the galactic reality.

    This process is no joke, those who attempt and attain it are due sincere respect and genuine appreciation. Without these precious examples there would be no hope at all for the rest of us. Going back to the 1970’s there is the example of the 4-minute mile. Until it was achieved no-one could reach it. But once someone did, it became increasingly possible. Graduation is like this. It requires a first -following this it becomes possible for the rest. The question is, will we follow? -will we see what needs to be seen while the window of opportunity is still open.
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    First, there is NATURAL disclosure.

    Natural, or real disclosure, happens as all reality does, from the within-ness of ourself outward.

    Secondly, there is forced disclosure.

    The central crux of forced, or false disclosure pertains to a GLOBAL or majority disclosure, wherein individuals, whether by themselves on their own, or in coming together with others in groups attempt to inform and prove to the 3D Earth-world-population the presence of extraterrestrial ( ie: galactic-level ) consciousness for the purpose of this going on the record as a universally understood reality.
    There is a third form of disclosure, which I would encourage and which I hope is unfolding.

    Forcing others to accept our insights doesn't work ... I agree.

    But what you properly label as NATURAL disclosure need not be just a private matter.

    There is also a public form of natural disclosure, in which someone (perhaps even a prominent and public person) can calmly and clearly speak of what they perceive and understand, without the slightest inclination to press others to agree.

    If one perceives what most ordinary people will consider to be "weird and wild nonsense", one can easily speak of one's own perception of such "nonsense", while openly granting and happily accepting that they know that most people will consider such perceptions to be "nonsense".
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    "Eva, I am not familiar with the halopulser. But I can say this. I tend to work more directly with-and-through consciousness, than with gadgets. Cool as they be!"

    I agree with you Casey but I'm not in your "territory" by a long stretch so I have to depend somewhat on outside devices. I hope one day soon to be able to be that connected and understanding of that higher consciousness - not there yet though. I have had a lot of phenomena occur in my life but without a real connection or understanding of it, then it is just a peek into other worlds with images and not much more. I just ran the halopulser idea by a friend who is an astrophysicist and he mentioned that some of the claims are totally nonsensical, the bubble claim they make is bogus and something to effect that electromagnetic radiation can't be cancelled by adding more radiation the way its being claimed and more on that .....
    Eva

    We all have our fortes --I, myself, may have chosen to lean into the developing of my mental field but certainly not everyone will (that would be a waste!). It seems to me most are working at developing their energy/emotional field (which to be blunt I suck at). You all aid me more than you may ever know. The externals can be very fun, including external technologies (as you know I employ quartz crystal). Sometimes, as in the case with the quartz crystal, the external technologies we employ are a reflection of internal technologies we have developed. Sometimes they are not -and when they are not we find ourselves at a decided choice point, at the helm of the decision as to whether we will further develop ourselves by the internal or external means. Each is with its own process and benefit. When saying I work more directly with-and-through consciousness I am pointing to the decision to pursue spiritual study and disciplines, developing through meditation and other such practices. This has shown me where reality begins and ends. Ie: at consciousness. This is why, at this point it is simply what is more directly available to me. It is and was a choice, not a better choice, not a choice with any more value than any other, but just a CHOICE.

    Imagine a world wherein the vast majority of those present realized they stood at a quite literally never-ending choice point. It would be realized to a far greater extent that we are the creators of the life-experience we are moving through. There would be no illusion possible, no illusory blame thrown out onto another, or others who we are somehow a victim to. None of all that would be and we would get right down to the real business at hand. We are all standing at a precipice. A window of opportunity to realize. Feel what it feels like to stand at such a verge, a wide open window of pure possibility. Nothing written. Though you are about to write something. We all are.

    What a rush.
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    Quote Posted by Agape (here)
    It just happened to me to say , when we speak of consciously preparing for "close encounters with ET",

    it's important to realise we are preparing for an experience .

    We don't know "what exactly to expect" but I've got the feeling through last couple years of intended, live observation of the humanozone ,

    that it's something that emerges from "within us" rather than something we can observe out there, it may be both only at the "yuga nadi" , the point on the "nadir" of timespace convergence between their and ours timespace bubbles.

    But closer we come to the T point of Contact ,
    we may be able to reflect their reality from close
    like in giant mirror.

    Perhaps the "blind are going to see" , the "deaf Will hear" and so forth.

    ....

    Some may get little lost .


    Most religious people around the world consent there is nothing to fear.

    The fear that is on human side, of this world only is entirely human , our own wrongdoings , historical and other conditioning, ignorance, some are still "ritually" trying to blame on the "Gods of the Rain" .

    ....

    May Peace Prevail
    Incredibly insightful. I appreciate you sharing your thoughts.

    To the portions in bold, -I would only add that experience itself occurs within ourself, we are the experience point of all that we move through in terms of detail (this is why I've said there is no reality outside the self, we are it; this gets by us for a long while, doesn't it?). And, yes, "we don't know", this in itself is our current state (separation, confusion). And what is emerging is indeed arising from within. This is what we fear the most, to see ourself, our own creations. It is a fear so great that a self-imposed illusion is created to shield ourselves. Can you see what this is? It is the 'monsters' out there, outside ourselves, who the responsibility is then cast out upon ...who we then position ourself against. A condition which perhaps all of us get lost in.

    I like what you have said about the T point of contact -which just to place it here on the page is the re-connection within ourself with a bit of the rest of ourself; a process of re-membering. Yes, I would agree we reach a point of being able to reflect what we ourselves are directly experiencing in this. In fact, I, myself, in the work I do with the crystal may be a perfect (living and still visible) example of the truth in this (see here). Regarding 'the blind and deaf' it could be. Someone will have to let me know if my work has opened their eyes and ears in any way.
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    Quote Posted by Casey Claar (here)
    Johnny said, "I find it odd that you kind of look outward, citing a greater outer reality as a goal."

    I am trying to understand what in particular you are pointing to (in what I've said) that has lead you to say this. What I feel I have attempted, in a quite long winded fashion, is to point to the SELF as the center and circumference of what we call reality. Meaning, that it is both the "inner" AND the "outer". If you stopped at the halfway mark in the post this may be why last night you had not yet gotten there? If there is more to what you are seeing I do wish to understand. Please say more and I will try to pick up on this more-so than I am now.
    Hi Casey, thanks for your response. I have not yet continued reading your original post, so will explain myself in reference to your first of two paragraphs about “natural, or real disclosure”.

    My perception of an outer goal, notwithstanding your crediting of an inner series of processes, comes from your entertaining the prospect of “the next sphere-of-experience ( 4-5-6D, galactic life ) out from where we are now ( 3D, planetary existence ) arrives, …”. To me this means you are set on exploring the various levels of consciousness between so-called “3-D” and Heaven. Heaven being the top floor, if we could push a button for movement in soul-development space. My perspective comes from being told that we can choose the top floor, from this mortal life, and that any other floors are a detour.

    My view of the prospects of earthly life for soul development is not IMO overly rosy. Being a practical lad, I do see that many incarnated lifetimes and or lots of discarnate time may be necessary. I just like the feeling of the idea that direct steps are better for the whole than choices to have personal experiences.

    Something else related that I was told about our eventual goal of perfecting ourselves, is (my wording) “The last to have been tempted will be the first to return to Heaven, and the first that left Heaven will be the last to return.”. This is the reason why I am very wary of leading others. Lots of detour wasted time possible that must eventually be righted, if my goal is not the highest.

    Quote Natural, or real disclosure, happens as all reality does, from the within-ness of ourself outward. Consciousness is what lies at the foundation of our mortal shell. So here what I am saying is that IN consciousness, the next sphere-of-experience ( 4-5-6D, galactic life ) out from where we are now ( 3D, planetary existence ) arrives, or arises first from within this, our own central self – awareness – or some might say “mind”. This, then, begins to project itself, into and through direct inner experience, until, ultimately, fully manifest in what we see as our outer reality. By the time the latter of this happens we have graduated into the next sphere- the galactic reality.

    This process is no joke, those who attempt and attain it are due sincere respect and genuine appreciation. Without these precious examples there would be no hope at all for the rest of us. Going back to the 1970’s there is the example of the 4-minute mile. Until it was achieved no-one could reach it. But once someone did, it became increasingly possible. Graduation is like this. It requires a first -following this it becomes possible for the rest. The question is, will we follow? -will we see what needs to be seen while the window of opportunity is still open.
    Johnny,

    Thank you!.. this helps me clasp onto your meaning much easier.

    I am familiar with this concept (in bold) which concludes in what I have UNDERLINED. I received it into myself and carried it in my meditations, contemplations and life experience for decades. From this, what I found within myself is as follows:

    I am.
    I could stop here, as the above implies "no matter when or where" -but do you see where I am going? what detour is there in this?

    [Go down a rabbit hole now or skip directly to the end.]

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    Time is based on the fundamental principle of BEING, ONE (without a second), NOW
    Space is based on the fundamental principle of BEING, PRESENCE, MIND

    Time and Space comprise what can be called THE DIMENSIONAL EXISTENCE, but we could as easily just call it EXPERIENCE.

    So.......the ALL THAT IS, the I AM is comprised fundamentally of this — PRESENCE and EXPERIENCE. The former most certainly being the foundation of latter, right? -for if not first present what is there to experience? Presence and Experience are the founding principles of 'yin' and 'yang' ( 'yang' and 'yin ), the Masculine and Feminine, the Godhead ( Consciousness ) and Nature. Consciousness being singular is "still". Unmoving. Void. Nature is the Potential Creation, Potential Idea within Consciousness of Itself. Saying the unsayable is not easy, just note here the use of the adjective "potential". Nature, the Dimensional Existence, Experience - is a Potentiality Field, a wide open Expanse of Pure Potential.

    Are you familiar with the definition of POTENTIAL?

    It is the possibility ( not actuality ) of something. Potentiality is contrasted with actuality. So here what I am saying is that the more fundamental Field housing the actuality ( ie: manifest ) realms of experience is this. A potentiality field. It is what we are all created in and creating from ( a big ol' WHAT IF ) — the singular crayola we are scribing all ideas, thoughts and words that come here after. Do you get me?

    We can take on the ideas of others, try them on for size to see how they fit, and although this, too, could be colored as a distraction or detour, is it ever? really? - go back to the foundation of it all —( I am )— to check yourself and see that it is not, not really. But we could hide this from ourself and write it that way if we so chose. I will state this one more time for hopefully more dramatic effect. You choose. We each choose. What we choose we experience, real as real can be. This sentence can be said the other way around as well. What we are experiencing is what we are choosing. Argue with yourself about this to the heart's content. It is accurate to the way reality works.

    To add one more thing here as well, stating the somewhat obvious that often gets by us,

    All experience is a GAIN.

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    The purpose and function of Experience, the Dimensional Existence, is to SERVE, SERVICE.

    The service we, as individuated units of consciousness (souls ) and personality points choose to take on simply is what it is.

    We choose to serve in many ways. ( yes? )

    No troop left behind.

    Every direct step has a choice behind it -these are one in the same.

    "The last to have been tempted will be the first to return to Heaven, and the first that left Heaven will be the last to return.”

    I like this a lot.

    Aside from the judgmental undertones and for reasons that may be unique to your own.

    It is saying that all will come full circle -and that the "we" is (secretly) a singularity.

    The last will be the first and the first will be the last.

    Can you see the geometry?


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    There is no moment in which any one of us is not in service.

    From the first to the last.
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    Quote Posted by ThePythonicCow (here)
    Quote Posted by Casey Claar (here)
    First, there is NATURAL disclosure.

    Natural, or real disclosure, happens as all reality does, from the within-ness of ourself outward.

    Secondly, there is forced disclosure.

    The central crux of forced, or false disclosure pertains to a GLOBAL or majority disclosure, wherein individuals, whether by themselves on their own, or in coming together with others in groups attempt to inform and prove to the 3D Earth-world-population the presence of extraterrestrial ( ie: galactic-level ) consciousness for the purpose of this going on the record as a universally understood reality.
    There is a third form of disclosure, which I would encourage and which I hope is unfolding.

    Forcing others to accept our insights doesn't work ... I agree.

    But what you properly label as NATURAL disclosure need not be just a private matter.

    There is also a public form of natural disclosure, in which someone (perhaps even a prominent and public person) can calmly and clearly speak of what they perceive and understand, without the slightest inclination to press others to agree.

    If one perceives what most ordinary people will consider to be "weird and wild nonsense", one can easily speak of one's own perception of such "nonsense", while openly granting and happily accepting that they know that most people will consider such perceptions to be "nonsense".
    Ooooooh the mind at work. lol -that pesky, pesky "but".

    Let me ask you a question. Or, better yet, let me ask everyone. When have you as an incarnate Earth human experienced anything beyond yourself? ( can I skip to the chase? ) You, we, haven't. Not once, not ever. The experience here (in this state) is of ourself. Our mind, thoughts, feelings, person.., SEPARATE from all else. In our own little personal-reality-bubble-body. We are the very first and the very last of what we experience while here. Until the time of our release.

    The envisioned third form of disclosure you are seeing is of the first or second type, natural (originating internally) or forced (externally applied); there is no other direction from it to come. In the event of the example given, of a public official or trusted someone calmly and clearly making the announcement, each would have to discern for themself which is occurring. It is quite possible to be internally prepared for a graduation and a person choosing to remain as unaware of this as possible until the proverbial 11th hour, when the event is already beginning to culminate in changes or alterations in (what is happening) their world(-view). That one would have to decide for themself what is happening. There is a rather extra-bonus challenge in going about things this way, though, as there is the collective (consciousness of humanity) to also consider and work into the equation. What is the collective choosing/bringing about? I personally would not bring myself down to such a wire. But, wow, what a rush. Hats off to anyone who would!
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    The envisioned third form of disclosure you are seeing is of the first or second type, natural (originating internally) or forced (externally applied); there is no other direction from it to come.
    Perhaps that internal vs external dichotomy exists at some levels of the various levels of physical/mental/spiritual orderings, but not at all such levels.

    However, my personal philosophy, which supposes multiple levels of physical/mental/spiritual order, is an odd-duck in the panoply of philosophies, making it difficult to translate my mutterings into something meaningful to most others.

    So I should table any further comments, and encourage others to continue with your delightful and insightful discussion.
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    Quote Posted by Casey Claar (here)
    The envisioned third form of disclosure you are seeing is of the first or second type, natural (originating internally) or forced (externally applied); there is no other direction from it to come.
    Perhaps that internal vs external dichotomy exists at some levels of the various levels of physical/mental/spiritual orderings, but not at all such levels.

    However, my personal philosophy, which supposes multiple levels of physical/mental/spiritual order, is an odd-duck in the panoply of philosophies, making it difficult to translate my mutterings into something meaningful to most others.

    So I should table any further comments, and encourage others to continue with your delightful and insightful discussion.
    I would personally vote against that last part. (were I a voter) lol

    Let's come at this like a Twister game and all throw ourselves out onto the mat.

    100% with what you've said here. Multiple levels of physical/spiritual ✔️(check), separation not existing elsewhere to the extent that it does here ✔️(check). We are here, though, in 3D, experiencing at this 3D level so this is what I am principally addressing. That is, the potential graduation point from it when the galactic reality begins coming into view. The disclosure that begins coming to us. Both natural and forced -as we ourselves have created. I suppose I have wanted to clarify some things so that maybe in the process of all this we might not de-grade ourselves so much. A lot of what we think of as good, or positive, really isn't. Maybe as a group we could look in on this some more.
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    The envisioned third form of disclosure you are seeing is of the first or second type, natural (originating internally) or forced (externally applied); there is no other direction from it to come.
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    We are here, though, in 3D, experiencing at this 3D level so this is what I am principally addressing.
    Ah - yes - for those "living in the material world" (I prefer the old Beatle's phrasing) - there may well be no other directions, other than originating internally or externally applied.

    But since it seemed clear enough to me that your comments were not mired in the material world, I didn't realize that your "there is no other direction" dichotomy was deliberately stated from that perspective, in order, perhaps, to speak more clearly to some of your intended audience.

    Unless I'm still muddled, perhaps now even more so, on that aspect, and you suspect you can continue to advance this fine discussion you've started by further addressing my muddle (you're more than welcome to do so), then I'll once again try to step aside, having nothing further to offer here.
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    The envisioned third form of disclosure you are seeing is of the first or second type, natural (originating internally) or forced (externally applied); there is no other direction from it to come.
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    We are here, though, in 3D, experiencing at this 3D level so this is what I am principally addressing.
    Ah - yes - for those "living in the material world" (I prefer the old Beatle's phrasing) - there may well be no other directions, other than originating internally or externally applied.

    But since it seemed clear enough to me that your comments were not mired in the material world, I didn't realize that your "there is no other direction" dichotomy was deliberately stated from that perspective, in order, perhaps, to speak more clearly to some of your intended audience.

    Unless I'm still muddled, perhaps now even more so, on that aspect, and you suspect you can continue to advance this fine discussion you've started by further addressing my muddle (you're more than welcome to do so), then I'll once again try to step aside, having nothing further to offer here.
    I suspect this is one of those points where I really need to hear your voice to understand. But I will say what is coming to me. You know the trick of it, when (re-)uniting the spiritual and physical, involves the managing of it in a way that lays credence to all the frequency bandwidths, credence in which they can be what they are, what they were designed to be, —and this not be contrary to what is their base principle. I am not saying I know how to do this, only that I endeavor to. So, yes, not mired as much as previously, but inclusive of all the states and spaces, and perhaps most specially their uniting principle. The 3D high point is where we are now, so this is the point disclosure has to reach, and the experience-space from which blast off is immanent.

    Are we twisting up in here real good yet or what?
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    I suspect this is one of those points where I really need to hear your voice to understand.
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    However, my personal philosophy, which supposes multiple levels of physical/mental/spiritual order, is an odd-duck in the panoply of philosophies, making it difficult to translate my mutterings into something meaningful to most others.
    It might take more than speaking face-to-face.

    I know of no one else, in person or not, who shares or understands or has any interest in my personal philosophy, which was born out of an adaption of Susanne Katherina Langer's work from the perspective of my math thesis work with J.D. Halpern's proof of the independence of the Axiom of Choice from the Boolean Prime Ideal Theorem.

    Hence I am not qualified to discuss some matters, except with myself (fine by me).
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