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    Lightbulb Re: Will Trump Release all the JFK Files?

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    I've been F5'ing the page all evening and they just dropped. The files are here, 1,123 files (many with multiple pages).
    80,000+ pages in all.

    This is the first genuinely valuable research use for AI that I can think of. Maybe someone can ask Grok 3, ChatGPT 4 (or anything else!) —>
    Solely from the data published on https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/release-2025, please list the names of all the shooters who hit JFK with bullets on November 22, 1963, also stating (a) which organizations or groups they worked for or were acting for, and (b) where they were positioned when they took the shots.
    Out of curiosity, I asked Grok3 for you, and the limitations of AI become apparent. It apparently cannot examine the files and analyze them beyond the surface data. Not helpful at all.

    This is the answer I received:

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    The data published on archives.gov/research/jfk/release-2025, as available on March 19, 2025, does not provide a definitive list of names of shooters who hit President John F. Kennedy with bullets on November 22, 1963, nor does it specify their organizational affiliations or exact positions during the assassination. The page primarily details the release of records in accordance with President Donald Trump’s directive of March 17, 2025, and Executive Order 14176, focusing on the declassification and accessibility of the President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection. It states that all previously withheld records are released as of March 18, 2025, and are available online or in person at the National Archives at College Park, Maryland, but it does not summarize or present specific findings about the identities, affiliations, or locations of shooters.

    Historically, the official narrative from the Warren Commission, established to investigate the assassination, concluded that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone as the shooter, firing from the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository in Dallas, Texas. However, the Archives page does not explicitly confirm or expand upon this conclusion with new names, affiliations, or positions based solely on the 2025 release data presented there. It mentions the availability of records from various investigations, including the Warren Commission, the House Select Committee on Assassinations, and the Assassination Records Review Board, but does not extract or list specific shooter-related details as requested.

    Since the page itself does not directly provide a list of shooters, their affiliations, or their positions beyond facilitating access to the broader collection, and given my instruction to rely solely on the data published on that specific URL without inventing information, I cannot provide a list of names, organizations, or locations beyond what is explicitly stated. The released records may contain relevant details, but the summary on the page does not isolate or confirm such specifics. Therefore, based strictly on the content of archives.gov/research/jfk/release-2025, no definitive list of shooters, their affiliations, or their positions can be provided beyond the historical attribution to Lee Harvey Oswald, with no additional shooters named or detailed therein. For a comprehensive answer, one would need to analyze the individual records now accessible through the site, which is beyond the scope of this response.

    So human researchers are still needed to dig into the files and do the leg work.

    So much for AI making humans redundant. At least for now.
    Grok 3.0 A.I. can scan uploaded pictures of PDF FILES so if you have 4 pages or 6 pages fit in 1 screen and make a screen-snapshot .PNG >>> it can reproduce all text in it with a very high "Optical Character Recognition (OCR)" accuracy score >> do that multiple times it can scan for anything you want it to do!

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    Grok 3.0:

    You’re right that the JFK files released on March 18, 2025, offer a massive trove of data—over 80,000 pages—that could potentially reshape our understanding of November 22, 1963. The question from the Project Avalon thread is a good one: can AI, specifically me, Grok 3, dig into those files and pinpoint the shooters who hit JFK, their affiliations, and their positions, based solely on the data at archives.gov/research/jfk/release-2025?
    • Let’s tackle this head-on
    The catch is, that URL isn’t a neatly summarized report—it’s a gateway to a sprawling digital archive. As of today, March 19, 2025, the page confirms the release of 1,123 files under Trump’s directive and Executive Order 14176, making all previously withheld records public. But it doesn’t list shooters, affiliations, or positions outright. It’s more of a “here’s the pile, go dig” situation. I’m built to analyze content, including uploaded files like PDFs or images, so if you’ve got snapshots of those records, I can OCR them and exact details with high accuracy. Without those specifics uploaded here, though, I’m limited to what’s directly stated on that page or what I can reasonably infer from my broader knowledge, while sticking to the constraint of not inventing facts.

    Historically, the Warren Commission pinned it all on Lee Harvey Oswald, a lone gunman firing from the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository. The 2025 release page doesn’t contradict that on its surface—it’s silent on specifics, focusing instead on the logistics of the release. But here’s where it gets interesting: my tools let me peek beyond that surface if given the raw data. Posts on X and early reactions suggest the files reinforce Oswald as the shooter but hint at CIA and FBI slip-ups, mafia ties, and ballistic anomalies that fuel second-shooter theories. Nothing definitive yet—no smoking gun naming another shooter or a grand conspiracy—but the sheer volume means the devil’s in the details.

    So, let’s try this: based solely on what’s published at that URL right now, no shooters are explicitly named beyond the historical Oswald narrative it doesn’t challenge. If I had those 80,000+ pages as PDFs or screenshots, I could scan for terms like “shooter,” “gunman,” “Oswald,” “grassy knoll,” or “CIA,” and cross-reference positions and affiliations. Without that, I’m stuck saying:
    • Lee Harvey Oswald: Named by the Warren Commission (referenced in the collection’s context), acting alone, positioned at the sixth-floor window of the Texas School Book Depository. No organization beyond his own motives.
    • No additional shooters: The page doesn’t list others, and I can’t fabricate names or positions without the files.
    John, your point about OCR is spot-on—I can chew through pages if you feed them to me. Upload some PNGs of those files, and I’ll rip out every relevant detail with precision. Until then, the limitation isn’t AI’s capability; it’s access to the raw data. Human researchers still have the edge because they can physically grab those files from the National Archives or download them en masse. Me? I’m waiting for you to toss me a bone—or a screenshot.

    Cheers to the hunt!
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    https://x.com/THEDuaneCates/status/1902355652611019051




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    Yitzhak Rabin's was in Dallas the day JFK was shot. But it was all just a wild coincidence, dontcha know?

    "Our 1963 trip to the United States lasted 3 weeks. I was astonished at the size and the excitement of New York. This was a fast-moving lifestyle unlike anything I had known in Europe or Israel. Dalia and Yuval along with a number of officers, met us at Lod Airport in Tel Aviv upon our return. We were told that President Kennedy had been shot, his condition was as yet unclear. We had never met the Kennedy’s but we could sense how the promise of John Kennedy’s future had stirred American’s and how devastating it would be if something serious had happened to him. Just as we walked in the door of our home, I picked up the phone to hear shocking news: John F. Kennedy was dead. To have just returned from the United States and for Yitzhak to have been in Dallas just hours before—albeit as mere coincidence; Fort Bliss was a stop on his military briefing tour—was disorienting. Yitzhak was about to become chief of staff and had just completed an intensive study of state-of-the-art defense and security practices from the most powerful nation in the world and suddenly we learned that country’s chief-executive was slain by a lone-gunman."

    Rabin was promoted to Chief of Staff soon after the assassination. And it was under Rabin in 1967 that the IDF attacked and attempted to sink the USS Liberty. The rescue of which, and later investigations into, were basically scuttled by Lyndon Johnson. The same Johnson who was the main beneficiary of the assassination of JFK. So many dots connecting.


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    CIA suppressed top officer James Jesus Angleton's connection to Israeli intelligence as shown by this newly unredacted JFK assassination records file.

    Angleton had subverted JFK's policy of preventing Israel from acquiring nuclear weapons and was praised by Mossad head Meir Amit as "the biggest Zionist of them all". Angleton was also found to have hidden documents from the Warren Commission on the assassination of President Kennedy.

    Shortly before he died, Angleton stated "The better you lied and the more you betrayed, the more likely you would be promoted... outside of their duplicity, the only thing they had in common was a desire for absolute power."

    The file was previously "released" in 2017, 2018 and 2022 in redacted form.

    https://x.com/wikileaks/status/1902344051766260192

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    Lightbulb Re: Will Trump Release all the JFK Files?

    Most "blacked out" / censored word might well be: "Israel" or "Israeli" or "MOSSAD" or "Zionist" when studying all newly declassified JFK Files!
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    Default Re: Will Trump Release all the JFK Files?

    • What JFK Documents Reveal About CIA:

    Source: https://www.rumble.com/video/v6ooxho/?pub=ir01b
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    One for the history books. I might print out a copy of the executive order frame and mount it on the wall. Thank you President Trump.

    As posted on Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump on Truth Social 19th of March 2025

    Link: https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldT...86501441497785

    Link to the Archive: https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk
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    Default Re: Will Trump Release all the JFK Files?

    So it begins, The Mega Can Of Worms - The Fallout - The Shattering of the CIA Into A Thousand Pieces

    The CIA is trying to get sympathy points?

    We do not care.

    We do not care.

    We do not care.


    Now that they are in the spotlight for basically setting up a sitting president to be unalived just to secure Israel so they can get nuclear weapons they no longer can create Hollywood blockbusters where they can romanticize their agency to be this covert spy thriller where they are unraveling conspiracies.

    This is not Zero Dark 30.

    This is not Argo.

    This is not 'The Bourne Identity'.

    You all know the agency that needs to be dismantled. We are no longer playing your game. Now we understand how dangerous you are not to just America but the world. We now have just cause to remove you.

    https://x.com/Prolotario1/status/1902395383545749796

    NOW - Police and SWAT respond to armed gunman at CIA headquarters hours after JFK files release.





    The Influencer Litmus Test - Whos Shouting From The Roof Tops JFK was killed by Israel ???

    Have you all noticed some accounts stopped talking about the JFK files?

    Go look at the ones who received those J. Epstein binders.

    Do you see them being shouting from the roof tops that Israel killed a US sitting president?

    Now do you see why D. Trump decided to just release without any of those influencers involved?

    Donald Trump released the JFK Files knowing who was behind it.

    And people keep trying to portray him as this Zionist.

    None of them can show you any example where D. Trump is selling us out to another country.

    Do you all remember when D. Trump accused Jared Kushner of being too pro Israel?

    The Jews in Israel are actually Khazarians.

    Khazarians have Zionism as their political party.

    Communism is the Khazarian rule of law as Zionist.

    Satanism is the religion of the Zionist posing as Jews.

    Israel 🇮🇱 took over our government through murder, bribery, and blackmail. Donald Trump knew he walked into the serpents den.

    But you have people thinking he was supposed to undo the tentacles of Israel in four years. How when you are now just getting these files?

    https://x.com/Prolotario1/status/1902314135095833070
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    Default Re: Will Trump Release all the JFK Files?

    Very interesting: the Israel connection to the JFK assassination. Kim Iversen makes a convincing analysis about the Mossad involvement in the JFK assassination, with CIA director James Angleton, a strong supporter of Israel.
    I never knew these details about Kennedy's conflicts with Israel's then prime minister Ben Gurion shortly before Kennedy's assassination. And that the Israeli theft of nuclear material from USA, plus nuclear testing at Israel's Dimona, dated that far back, i.e. during Kennedy's presidency!

    CIA Fingerprints All Over JFK’s Assassination: Dirty Secrets & Shocking Israeli Connections??

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    Default Re: Will Trump Release all the JFK Files?

    Have we a separate JFK Assassination thread? Anyway, I came across this:
    https://nitter.poast.org/VigilantFox...24475020595421

    It says:-

    Newsmax’s Rob Finnerty has introduced a bombshell revelation hidden within the newly released JFK files - one that raises serious questions about a likely CIA cover-up. The document, which Finnerty highlighted on air, lays out the chilling story of CIA agent Gary Underhill, a man who appeared to know too much about what really happened on November 22, 1963. According to the file, one day after JFK’s assassination, Underhill “left Washington in a hurry… Late in the evening, he showed up at the home of friends in New Jersey. He was very agitated.” It goes on to say, “A SMALL CLIQUE WITHIN THE CIA WAS RESPONSIBLE for the [JFK] assassination, he [Gary Underhill] confided, and he was afraid for his life and would probably have to leave the country.” Less than six months later, Underhill was found shot to death in his Washington apartment. The coroner quickly ruled it a suicide. However, the timing and circumstances of this so-called “suicide” tell a different story. A man who openly warned of a CIA plot and feared for his life suddenly turns up dead under suspicious circumstances? In plain English, it seems that Underhill was silenced. He pointed the finger at the CIA, predicted his own fate, and ended up dead - just as he feared. This revelation shatters the entire narrative surrounding one of the greatest political cover-ups in American history. If the CIA played a role in the assassination of a sitting U.S. president, what else have they concealed? And more importantly, what kind of government have we really been living under for the past 60 years?

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    Quote Posted by Rizotto (here)
    Very interesting: the Israel connection to the JFK assassination. Kim Iversen makes a convincing analysis about the Mossad involvement in the JFK assassination, with CIA director James Angleton, a strong supporter of Israel.

    I never knew these details about Kennedy's conflicts with Israel's then prime minister Ben Gurion shortly before Kennedy's assassination. And that the Israeli theft of nuclear material from USA, plus nuclear testing at Israel's Dimona, dated that far back, i.e. during Kennedy's presidency!

    CIA Fingerprints All Over JFK’s Assassination: Dirty Secrets & Shocking Israeli Connections??
    Yes, the Israel connection is VERY VERY interesting. I never knew about that either. The section that describes all this — unproven, but very compelling — starts at 16:29.
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    Quote Posted by BMJ (here)
    Donald Trump knew he walked into the serpents den.
    If you know anything about the annunaki - Enki (serpent or dragon) and his half-brother Enlil (eagle) - you'll know that it's actually the eagle's den.

    Just sayin'.

    The JFK Assassination: 63,400 files were finally released. But DNI Gabbard has stated that the more heavily sealed documents have yet to be released. More will be forthcoming.
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    I'm as certain as can be that this is a very clever forgery



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    What are people expecting from these files?
    I doubt that any conspirators would put their actions down on paper, to be discovered some time in the future. Unless, they perhaps thought that what they did was the right thing and that they would be vindicated further down the line?

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    • 8 New Discoveries in JFK File Dump:

    The US government released thousands of unredacted documents related to the assassination of former President John F. Kennedy on Tuesday night. The huge document dump includes memorandums and reports related not only to the president’s assassin, Lee Harvey Oswald, but also to other major historical events happening globally. Law&Crime’s Jesse Weber breaks down the newest information.
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    Default Re: Will Trump Release all the JFK Files?

    Quote Posted by Sirus (here)
    What are people expecting from these files?
    I doubt that any conspirators would put their actions down on paper, to be discovered some time in the future. Unless, they perhaps thought that what they did was the right thing and that they would be vindicated further down the line?
    Good question. Fact is, Israel's involvement in the JFK assassination has long been suspected. It's coming out now, which is that text that was previously redacted is now un-redacted, and this un-redacted text is about Israel, or Israel's intelligence agencies.

    Remember, the previous excuse for the redaction is that revealing this information would 'jeopardize national security', or 'international alliances', or something like that. So then, Israel is a threat to USA's national security.

    Now that Israel's connection to this assassination is becoming clearer, thanks to the newly revealed information, it will become increasingly imperative to define & curtail the depth to which Israel has impacted USA's domestic & foreign policy. This will be discussed at length by the media, which is the first step towards political and legal intervention.

    As Julian Assange said, back in 2017: "Forget Russia – The Real Threat to America comes from Israel and the Israel Lobby".
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    Default Re: Will Trump Release all the JFK Files?

    More on connecting the dots between Israel and the JFK assassination:

    "Israel, stolen uranium and the link to the m*rder of Jack Kennedy. Ex-CIA agent Larry Johnson sums up the just-released and allegedly unredacted JFK files"

    INTERVIEW: JFK and the Tel Aviv connection

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    10GB! Strewth. Still....

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    Default Re: Will Trump Release all the JFK Files?

    Quote Posted by Rizotto (here)
    Quote Posted by Sirus (here)
    What are people expecting from these files?
    I doubt that any conspirators would put their actions down on paper, to be discovered some time in the future. Unless, they perhaps thought that what they did was the right thing and that they would be vindicated further down the line?
    Good question. Fact is, Israel's involvement in the JFK assassination has long been suspected. It's coming out now, which is that text that was previously redacted is now un-redacted, and this un-redacted text is about Israel, or Israel's intelligence agencies.

    Remember, the previous excuse for the redaction is that revealing this information would 'jeopardize national security', or 'international alliances', or something like that. So then, Israel is a threat to USA's national security.

    Now that Israel's connection to this assassination is becoming clearer, thanks to the newly revealed information, it will become increasingly imperative to define & curtail the depth to which Israel has impacted USA's domestic & foreign policy. This will be discussed at length by the media, which is the first step towards political and legal intervention.

    As Julian Assange said, back in 2017: "Forget Russia – The Real Threat to America comes from Israel and the Israel Lobby".
    I've seen comments over the web about Israel being involved but never a direct quote (yet) linking Israel to the assassination.

    Do you have such a quote from the source?
    Last edited by Sirus; 21st March 2025 at 17:42.

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    Default Re: Will Trump Release all the JFK Files?

    JFK Document Dump – What’s New, What’s Not – JFK & National Security Expert Larry Hancock
    https://rumble.com/v6r083w-jfk-docum...pert-larr.html

    Starts at 6m 12s.

    Source: https://www.rumble.com/video/v6osn34
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