Elon Musk Saves Stranded Astronauts

[Matthew]

Posted by Jaak (here)
Sounds more like a PR stunt . It´s not like Musk did it for free . Average cost to launch for Space-X is around 20 million and they charge 60-70 million or more for it. So they got payd nicely and it made them look good.
Im not an Musk hater but i certainly dont trust the guy . Seems more like a frontman for certain powerful gang that want to turn this world into technocracy nightmare which would be easily ruled and controlled by them .
Turning earth into a giant microwave oven with his starlink , putting wires into humans brains (Neuralink) , electric cars that can be remotely controlled or turned off ....
Without DARPA and US military he would not be where he is .

With DOGE they seem to be culling the herd , getting rid of deadweight and useless idiots who have done the damage/their jobs and are no longer needed. A.I can replace them ....
Plenty of sketchy thing about Musk that makes him look very suspicious.
“Whenever the people need a hero, we shall supply him." -33 degree Mason, Albert Pike
For many Trump and Musk seem to be the heroes who are going to save the world while doing the opposite...

I'm not a Musk hater but I don't trust him. You might be right about the PR stunt, but despite my distrust of Musk the truly bad PR stunt I see after watching the opening post's video is Biden not allowing Space-X to rescue the astronauts sooner, because it would have given Trump good publicity by association through Musk. Biden left them to rot. Musk might not have invented paypal, or the Tesla electric car, but I'll admit that him using his spaceship company to rescue astronauts is totally awesome. Calling everything "X" still sucks though. Anyway, congratulations to Musk and the rescued astronauts who the internet tells me have returned to earth now.

[rgray222]

Posted by Jaak (here)
What do these Elon fanboys say about the fact that Elon pretended to be some badass gamer but got busted . Some other people were playing the game for him and when he livestreamed it playing it he barely knew what he was doing .
Another genius move ? For what purpose ?
My guess is optics - he wanted to appear as an genius to simpletons and it often works, in that time he failed .

The media treated Nickola Tesla with a constant barrage of suspicion and skeptism. Caustic criticism was his steady companion. For much of his working life, Tesla fought against skeptism and disbelief from the mainstream media. The media chose to run sensational headlines about Tesla which influenced the general public to consider Tesla as some sort of nerd-like aberration. Had the media and the public embraced Tesla instead of planting seeds of doubt and uncertainty about his abilities the world would look much different today. Instead, Tesla left this world in unassuming isolation and poverty.

Now we are witnessing the covert attempt of the globalist, left-leaning socialists, progressives and the hateboys trying to ensure that history repeats itself. Instead of celebrating Musk's accomplishments, we are now witnessing people spewing a constant bombardment of hate towards a human who has a well-worn track record of making life better for humanity. One hundred years later we can only assume that the haters, naysayers and defeatists are genetically predisposed to stop progress and attempt to force others to view the world through their twisted dark lens. We now have absolute validation that climate change is only a tool to achieve power. We now know that when these dark souls are out of power they will sacrifice any human on the planet to return to power which is their religion.

Fortunately, there are finally enough souls on this planet who are shining light though the darkness for positive progress.

[Mike]

Posted by Jaak (here)

Posted by seehas (here)
The Title of this thread should be "Elon Safes the World" - I said it already many times in different Elon Threads. He is not the guy "they" want you to believe he is. He was placed in this position and he has a task. To fulfill his role it is from highest importance that the "sheep" like him.

When the richest man on the planet smokes a Joint in the Joe Rogan Podcast - plays Diablo4 on a professional Level - Insults Global Elites - it's time to think about why is it so damn important to "them" that Elon is this cool Iron Man coin of character!? Maybe because he has to sell us "humanity" something. Time will tell but Neurolink is already on the table.

What do these Elon fanboys say about the fact that Elon pretended to be some badass gamer but got busted . Some other people were playing the game for him and when he livestreamed it playing it he barely knew what he was doing .
Another genius move ? For what purpose ?
My guess is optics - he wanted to appear as an genius to simpletons and it often works , in that time he failed .

Say no more. I knew nothing about the video game thing until now. And to think I've actually been defending this guy.

[Gemma13]

FFS... a great thread down the gurglar because people gotta toss out sh!t about Elon's personal downtime hanging out with internet gamers, (some making squillions without contributing anything practical to society btw while they sit on their arses all day), and taking the word of a guy who gets pissed off if a chore forces him away from his computer for more than an hour.

In "Day in the Life of Asmongold", the RPG gamer cum "content influencer" has to go out and buy a new fridge and he's not too thrilled about it. I couldn't bear the thought of wasting another minute of my life watching this exceptional human, so if someone else does watch the rest of this guys riveting day and finds something inspirational, please call me up on it.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=BZQ2IqnIPz4

When it comes to competitive games there will always be dick swinging, below the belt jabs, and character assassination attempts as people jockey and wrestle to be Alpha. Especially when reputation and big money are built in. No?

Geez, you'd be hard pushed these days in our world of gaming and sports gambling to find entities out there that haven't blurred the lines on an occasion, or three, and/or wouldn't be tempted if an opportunity presented itself. Is that okay? Not particularly in my book, but I understand the when-in-Rome logic.

Bloody hell, give the guy a break. Apparently Musk is an insomniac so gaming would be a useful meditation respite. And if he needs a team to level up the boring bits of acquiring equipment before he applies his particularly unique mental acuity to solve upper level challenges, then what's the bloody crime? Smart time management strategy I would've thought.

Musk clearly doesn't have the time or inclination to sit on his arse playing games 24/7, but that shouldn't exile him from wanting a bit of fun playing within the electronic gaming communities. Hmm, maybe golf and MMA aren't suited to his nerdy persona. And he's clearly earned the right to pay helpers to level up menial tasks. No?

It's absurd to judge Elon's overall integrity and value in society because of how he plays with RPG dudes in fu@king fantasy land. Best we judge our own fantasy worlds first me thinks before throwing people under a bus for opinionated click-bait nonsense.

[Johnnycomelately]

Posted by Gemma13 (here)
FFS... a great thread down the gurglar because people gotta toss out sh!t about Elon's personal downtime hanging out with internet gamers, (some making squillions without contributing anything practical to society btw while they sit on their arses all day), and taking the word of a guy who gets pissed off if a chore forces him away from his computer for more than an hour.

In "Day in the Life of Asmongold", the RPG gamer cum "content influencer" has to go out and buy a new fridge and he's not too thrilled about it. I couldn't bear the thought of wasting another minute of my life watching this exceptional human, so if someone else does watch the rest of this guys riveting day and finds something inspirational, please call me up on it.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=BZQ2IqnIPz4

When it comes to competitive games there will always be dick swinging, below the belt jabs, and character assassination attempts as people jockey and wrestle to be Alpha. Especially when reputation and big money are built in. No?

Geez, you'd be hard pushed these days in our world of gaming and sports gambling to find entities out there that haven't blurred the lines on an occasion, or three, and/or wouldn't be tempted if an opportunity presented itself. Is that okay? Not particularly in my book, but I understand the when-in-Rome logic.

Bloody hell, give the guy a break. Apparently Musk is an insomniac so gaming would be a useful meditation respite. And if he needs a team to level up the boring bits of acquiring equipment before he applies his particularly unique mental acuity to solve upper level challenges, then what's the bloody crime? Smart time management strategy I would've thought.

Musk clearly doesn't have the time or inclination to sit on his arse playing games 24/7, but that shouldn't exile him from wanting a bit of fun playing within the electronic gaming communities. Hmm, maybe golf and MMA aren't suited to his nerdy persona. And he's clearly earned the right to pay helpers to level up menial tasks. No?

It's absurd to judge Elon's overall integrity and value in society because of how he plays with RPG dudes in fu@king fantasy land. Best we judge our own fantasy worlds first me thinks before throwing people under a bus for opinionated click-bait nonsense.

Hi Gemma. About Mr. gold, however wordy and unpleasant he is, he does harp on the real problem of internet-connected appliances. There should be some help online for limiting them, but I think his warning is valuable, even as a reminder.

The Musk don’t comfort me, but Trump’s general tumult does, so I’m interested in this play.

I agree, let’s let this thread be about what the title says. Good job returning those languished two.


Here’s a good talk about the aging aspects of medium and long times of only microgravity. Also mentions some effects that get restored in time back on Earth. Guest is an astronaut that had a study on him and his twin brother, also an astronaut, about effects of comparative time in orbit.

Ward Carrol started his YT chan around his USN career as a back seater in Tomcats, same job as Goose in the first Top Gun. Has since delved in to geopolitics and broader military subjects. And he still plays guitar in a rock band.

Here's What Happens to Astronauts After Months in Space

Ward Carroll
644K subscribers

Posted Mar 18, 2025

“As Butch Wilmore and Suni Williams return to earth after an extended mission aboard the International Space Station, veteran Tomcat Pilot and NASA Astronaut Scott Kelly, who has spent a total of 520 days in space, returns to the channel to discuss what happens to the human body after months in a zero gravity environment.”

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=e1IuqZGGvyU

[ClearWater]

Posted by Gemma13 (here)
It's absurd to judge Elon's overall integrity and value in society because of how he plays with RPG dudes in fu@king fantasy land. Best we judge our own fantasy worlds first me thinks before throwing people under a bus for opinionated click-bait nonsense.

I'm generally an Elon proponent, while always maintaining the right to change my mind, but I would challenge this from a couple of directions.

First, Asmongold's life has nothing to do with Elon's integrity. We can shoot the messenger, but that doesn't automatically make the message inaccurate.

Second, and more importantly, it's not at all absurd to judge a persons integrity based upon their actions within ANY realm. A persons level of integrity typically shines through regardless. Apparently (I'm not 100% sure on this since it's not something I've dug into) Elon has intentionally misrepresented himself when it comes to his skill level at certain games.

From what I understand, he's stated/suggested/implied that he had achieved high levels when he actually had not. He had other's playing for him to get his account to those high levels, and then played with the account himself once others had gotten them to that level. This in itself may seem harmless, but it does absolutely make me question his integrity.

It's not the fact that he had others playing on his account to level it up. It's not that he then played on it afterwards, even if he had no part in getting it to a high level, and even if his skill level was far below the level represented by the ranking of his account. The issue would be in saying something that's simply untrue, and/or intentionally misrepresenting reality. If he's capable of publicly and seemingly intentionally doing this, than that's concerning to say the least.

This doesn't invalidate any good/positive/helpful things he's ever done, but still does speak to his level of integrity. This is true for any of us - both our individual and collective actions inevitably reflect our level of integrity. To say that our actions matter sometimes and don't matter other times would just be untrue.

[Mike]

Elon details exactly how he made his fortune, for anyone who might be interested:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=xKxgaxAVDfM

[arjunaloka_official]

2021 (not sure there is an update):

The science is unequivocal

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...cines-reitera/

[Jaak]

Posted by ClearWater (here)

Posted by Gemma13 (here)
It's absurd to judge Elon's overall integrity and value in society because of how he plays with RPG dudes in fu@king fantasy land. Best we judge our own fantasy worlds first me thinks before throwing people under a bus for opinionated click-bait nonsense.

I'm generally an Elon proponent, while always maintaining the right to change my mind, but I would challenge this from a couple of directions.

First, Asmongold's life has nothing to do with Elon's integrity. We can shoot the messenger, but that doesn't automatically make the message inaccurate.

Second, and more importantly, it's not at all absurd to judge a persons integrity based upon their actions within ANY realm. A persons level of integrity typically shines through regardless. Apparently (I'm not 100% sure on this since it's not something I've dug into) Elon has intentionally misrepresented himself when it comes to his skill level at certain games.

From what I understand, he's stated/suggested/implied that he had achieved high levels when he actually had not. He had other's playing for him to get his account to those high levels, and then played with the account himself once others had gotten them to that level. This in itself may seem harmless, but it does absolutely make me question his integrity.

Again, it's not the fact that he had others playing on his account to level it up. It's not that he then played on it afterwards, even if he had no part in getting it to a high level, and even if his skill level was far below the level represented by the ranking of his account. The issue would be in saying something that's simply untrue, and/or intentionally misrepresenting reality. If he's capable of publicly and seemingly intentionally doing this, than that's concerning to say the least.

This doesn't invalidate any good/positive/helpful things he's ever done, but still does speak to his level of integrity. This is true for any of us - both our individual and collective actions inevitably reflect our level of integrity. To say that our actions matter sometimes and don't matter other times would just be untrue.

Good take on this !
Asmongold wasnt even the first to call him out but he got censored on Twitter because he had the biggest amount of followers.
Elons account/character in the game was top 20 in the world and he was bragging about it .Had even one world record that he was proud of . And then his character died when he was doing a livestream and he had to start from zero. Nerds who got payd to grind that thing to high level must have been facepalming hard when that happened. Probably took thousands of hours to get that character that good and Elon of course has so much time to spare to play a stupid game because he never sleeps. Too smart for that .

It´s like when you own a Formula 1 car and then hire best engineers and drivers you can find to race the fastest laps everywhere and then you say it was you who actually accomplished all this and you are one of the best in the world.
But then you go drive in front of audience and its rather obvious to onlookers that the person dont know how to drive and then he crashes the car ...
Some honesty at that point would be nice but Elon doubled down and instead started to silence people on twitter who talked about it ( freedom of speech !) .

People keep calling him genius but what has he actually invented ? He has an army of engineers ,scientists etc innovating and building things , not him .
And the money to do so doesnt come from his pocket but from government ,military , DARPA etc contracts ...
So to compare him with Tesla is nonsense. Tesla was inventor , Elon is a producer .
Edison was both inventor and producer .

If Elon bothers to put so much effort to make it seem like he is some genius gamer then maybe he is doing the same with Tesla,Neuralink,Space-X etc . He is producing for the rulers what they want while making it seem as it is not.
Some people mentioned he gives alot to charities . I dont know nothing about that , need to research that. Charities these days are largely for money laundering and tax relief...

[Mike]

Posted by Jaak (here)

Posted by ClearWater (here)

Posted by Gemma13 (here)
It's absurd to judge Elon's overall integrity and value in society because of how he plays with RPG dudes in fu@king fantasy land. Best we judge our own fantasy worlds first me thinks before throwing people under a bus for opinionated click-bait nonsense.

I'm generally an Elon proponent, while always maintaining the right to change my mind, but I would challenge this from a couple of directions.

First, Asmongold's life has nothing to do with Elon's integrity. We can shoot the messenger, but that doesn't automatically make the message inaccurate.

Second, and more importantly, it's not at all absurd to judge a persons integrity based upon their actions within ANY realm. A persons level of integrity typically shines through regardless. Apparently (I'm not 100% sure on this since it's not something I've dug into) Elon has intentionally misrepresented himself when it comes to his skill level at certain games.

From what I understand, he's stated/suggested/implied that he had achieved high levels when he actually had not. He had other's playing for him to get his account to those high levels, and then played with the account himself once others had gotten them to that level. This in itself may seem harmless, but it does absolutely make me question his integrity.

Again, it's not the fact that he had others playing on his account to level it up. It's not that he then played on it afterwards, even if he had no part in getting it to a high level, and even if his skill level was far below the level represented by the ranking of his account. The issue would be in saying something that's simply untrue, and/or intentionally misrepresenting reality. If he's capable of publicly and seemingly intentionally doing this, than that's concerning to say the least.

This doesn't invalidate any good/positive/helpful things he's ever done, but still does speak to his level of integrity. This is true for any of us - both our individual and collective actions inevitably reflect our level of integrity. To say that our actions matter sometimes and don't matter other times would just be untrue.

Good take on this !
Asmongold wasnt even the first to call him out but he got censored on Twitter because he had the biggest amount of followers.
Elons account/character in the game was top 20 in the world and he was bragging about it .Had even one world record that he was proud of . And then his character died when he was doing a livestream and he had to start from zero. Nerds who got payd to grind that thing to high level must have been facepalming hard when that happened. Probably took thousands of hours to get that character that good and Elon of course has so much time to spare to play a stupid game because he never sleeps. Too smart for that .

It´s like when you own a Formula 1 car and then hire best engineers and drivers you can find to race the fastest laps everywhere and then you say it was you who actually accomplished all this and you are one of the best in the world.
But then you go drive in front of audience and its rather obvious to onlookers that the person dont know how to drive and then he crashes the car ...
Some honesty at that point would be nice but Elon doubled down and instead started to silence people on twitter who talked about it ( freedom of speech !) .

People keep calling him genius but what has he actually invented ? He has an army of engineers ,scientists etc innovating and building things , not him .
And the money to do so doesnt come from his pocket but from government ,military , DARPA etc contracts ...
So to compare him with Tesla is nonsense. Tesla was inventor , Elon is a producer .
Edison was both inventor and producer .

If Elon bothers to put so much effort to make it seem like he is some genius gamer then maybe he is doing the same with Tesla,Neuralink,Space-X etc . He is producing for the rulers what they want while making it seem as it is not.
Some people mentioned he gives alot to charities . I dont know nothing about that , need to research that. Charities these days are largely for money laundering and tax relief...

Actually it's not like Formula One at all because you're talking about a f'in video game. Elon Musk has a list of accomplishments from here to the moon, and instead of choosing one and applauding it, like any reasonable person would, you've chosen to hyper focus on some silly video game controversy so you can stubbornly cling to your Elon Derangement Syndrome.

Your logic goes something like this: Elon Musk allegedly cheated in a video game ergo his revolutionary space program and electric cars and charities and western civilization saving purchase of Twitter and saving astronauts lives is all null and void.

Anyway, show me someone who hasn't cheated in a video game LOL. If we judged everyone by that standard we'd have to wipe the whole slate clean and start humanity from scratch.

This is the approach of the cynic. Elon can never do anything good.

Charities? Pah! He must be a money launderer!
Most powerful rockets in history? He didn't design em! Who cares?
Saving stranded astronauts? So what? He got paid!
His electric cars? Wake me up when he's using free energy!
Oh he wasn't invited to Davos for the WEF? Well it must be some kind of public theatre meant to deceive!
He invented a device to make handicapped people functional again? Don't care! He's gonna mind control the planet with them!
He wants to send men to Mars? So what? He's neglecting everyone here!

You are already committed to a position and cannot be moved off it, no matter what Elon does or doesn't do. It's a form of self brainwashing. If he saved your life you'd scorn him for not digging up your relatives and bringing them back to life too. And then you'd go on crying about the video game-gate scandal.

Musk is a self taught engineer, and is absolutely involved in the design of his technology. But mainly he's an industrial engineer. But even more than that he's a visionary. He understands the need to look into and beyond the stars as a means of inspiring mankind and making us an interplanetary species. His vision involves the long term survivability of the human race! But meanwhile he's saving the American government from going totally bankrupt, all while caring for something like 45 kids and running 5 or 6 of the most successful businesses on the planet, so maybe you could just cut him a little bit of slack, eh?

[Mike]

Posted by ClearWater (here)

Posted by Gemma13 (here)
It's absurd to judge Elon's overall integrity and value in society because of how he plays with RPG dudes in fu@king fantasy land. Best we judge our own fantasy worlds first me thinks before throwing people under a bus for opinionated click-bait nonsense.

I'm generally an Elon proponent, while always maintaining the right to change my mind, but I would challenge this from a couple of directions.

First, Asmongold's life has nothing to do with Elon's integrity. We can shoot the messenger, but that doesn't automatically make the message inaccurate.

Second, and more importantly, it's not at all absurd to judge a persons integrity based upon their actions within ANY realm. A persons level of integrity typically shines through regardless. Apparently (I'm not 100% sure on this since it's not something I've dug into) Elon has intentionally misrepresented himself when it comes to his skill level at certain games.

From what I understand, he's stated/suggested/implied that he had achieved high levels when he actually had not. He had other's playing for him to get his account to those high levels, and then played with the account himself once others had gotten them to that level. This in itself may seem harmless, but it does absolutely make me question his integrity.

It's not the fact that he had others playing on his account to level it up. It's not that he then played on it afterwards, even if he had no part in getting it to a high level, and even if his skill level was far below the level represented by the ranking of his account. The issue would be in saying something that's simply untrue, and/or intentionally misrepresenting reality. If he's capable of publicly and seemingly intentionally doing this, than that's concerning to say the least.

This doesn't invalidate any good/positive/helpful things he's ever done, but still does speak to his level of integrity. This is true for any of us - both our individual and collective actions inevitably reflect our level of integrity. To say that our actions matter sometimes and don't matter other times would just be untrue.

I can sympathize with this position somewhat. When we're judging people, we're adding up all the clues and the micro clues that might reveal their character to us. Usually when something bad happens you can look back and view all the micro clues that were ignored leading up to the unpleasant event. So yeah, I get that.

Having said all that, I'm not concerned about the f#cking video game If it turns out he's cheating and lying in other domains as well, let me know and I might update my thinking a little. But even then, it would all have to supercede the immense good he's done for humanity. Am I really going to sit in judgement of a man that has done all these wonderful things because he's lied about something relatively small and meaningless...something I've done and you've done and everyone else has done countless times throughout our lives?

[Merkaba360]

Good points Mike.

Even if Elon is just a genius at organizing huge industries of people to innovate rapidly toward solving enormous problems, that is priceless. given the work ethic and size of china, elon is absolutely needed for competition.

Lets say in 10 years Elon has 10 major companies operating a $10 trillion dollar industry or more automating the world to take care of the basic needs and eliminate poverty.

Then some big exposure happens making him look very bad. Then what? We all boycott his products and buy chinese products ? lol Maybe he could step down and hand over the reigns to his elder kids.

But, as long as it wasn't something monstrous, I could care less about one sh*tty person if he is making continual major improvements for billions. If he is a front man for the cabal, they better hurry, cuz more and more are learning fast from the internet and every major event effecting different regions of the globe waking up more and more. California fires for example, im sure woke up more in southern california than another year.

Wasn't there plans to decommission the ISS ? If so, when is that? Are there plans for something new? Like a space rocket fuel station or something?

[jaybee]

Posted by Merkaba360 (here)
Lets say in 10 years Elon has 10 major companies operating a $10 trillion dollar industry or more automating the world to take care of the basic needs and eliminate poverty.

Then some big exposure happens making him look very bad. Then what? We all boycott his products and buy chinese products ? lol Maybe he could step down and hand over the reigns to his elder kids.

Yes - - why, for heaven's sake, didn't those astronauts refuse to let Musk help them and say they would stay and wait a few more months for Boeing - because Orange Man Bad...and DOGE Man Bad... humph...

[Bill Ryan]

A brief comment, considering the thread has become a kind of second Musk is not the answer platform.

I wonder if Mike might have made a small strategic error when he titled this new thread. Maybe more accurate would have been: SpaceX Saves Stranded Astronauts.

After all, Musk is just the CEO and really only makes major strategic corporate decisions. It's his thousands of skilled engineers that actually make everything work so effectively and innovatively.

The real issue, pointed out earlier in the thread, was that (a) Boeing screwed up, and (b) Biden said No Rescue by SpaceX on his watch. SpaceX's response was exactly in line with their hundreds of other successful launches of Falcon 9 and other projects. They do this kind of thing literally every week. Musk himself is personally barely involved.

[arwen]

I gave up on this thread because it was getting pointless. There seems to be no way out of the Musk hatred by those who do. There is literally nothing Musk can do that will satisfy them. Haters gonna hate. Time too short to waste arguing.

However this 7 minute video I came across perfectly echoes Mike's and many others' view - posting this video for you Mike, so you know you are not alone. (Note - he repeats the same statement in the beginning twice, and then moves on to his points)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=tkI7tZ5cCkg

[arwen]

PS - at the risk of becoming unpopular (which I am prepared to take), I have started a new thread for those who appreciate the Visionary Genius aspect of Elon Musk, so they can post without getting derailed. There are other threads where full time criticism of Elon Musk can go, which I point to in the OP of the new thread. (We had to do this with other controversial people such as Trump, Q and Kim Goguen, I think it is a good solution - people can express themselves as they want without getting silenced by disagreement)

The Elon Musk Appreciation thread

(Mods - if you disagree, feel free to delete as you wish).

[Mike]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
A brief comment, considering the thread has become a kind of second Musk is not the answer platform.

I wonder if Mike might have made a small strategic error when he titled this new thread. Maybe more accurate would have been: SpaceX Saves Stranded Astronauts.

After all, Musk is just the CEO and really only makes major strategic corporate decisions. It's his thousands of skilled engineers that actually make everything work so effectively and innovatively.

The real issue, pointed out earlier in the thread, was that (a) Boeing screwed up, and (b) Biden said No Rescue by SpaceX on his watch. SpaceX's response was exactly in line with their hundreds of other successful launches of Falcon 9 and other projects. They do this kind of thing literally every week. Musk himself is personally barely involved.

I know very little (i.e. nothing lol) about engineering, and up until yesterday knew almost nothing about Elon's direct involvement with his tech. But I titled the thread the way I did anyway simply because the rescue would not have been possible without Elon. There are countless numbers of engineers in this world, but only one Elon. No doubt his engineers are brilliant and deserve huge credit. Thank God for them. I have no idea what they'd have been doing over the last year or so without Musk's SpaceX, but I know what they wouldn't have been doing - preparing spacecraft to save those astronauts.

As far as Musk's direct involvement, there are all kinds of rumors about that. But Musk himself claims he is very involved. Here is a direct Elon quote, for what it's worth: "A lot of people think I must spend a lot of time with media or on business-y things. But actually almost all my time, like 80 percent of it, is spent on engineering and design...developing next generation product. My time is almost entirely with the engineering team, working on improving the Falcon 9 and our Dragon spacecraft and developing the Mars Colonial structure."

[Mike]

Posted by arwen (here)
I gave up on this thread because it was getting pointless. There seems to be no way out of the Musk hatred by those who do. There is literally nothing Musk can do that will satisfy them. Haters gonna hate. Time too short to waste arguing.

However this 7 minute video I came across perfectly echoes Mike's and many others' view - posting this video for you Mike, so you know you are not alone. (Note - he repeats the same statement in the beginning twice, and then moves on to his points)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=tkI7tZ5cCkg

Thanks Arwen. I really like Victor Davis Hanson. I've seen the video and I'm pleased it's posted here in this thread so everyone else can watch as well.

[Mike]

Posted by Merkaba360 (here)
Even if Elon is just a genius at organizing huge industries of people to innovate rapidly toward solving enormous problems, that is priceless. given the work ethic and size of china, elon is absolutely needed for competition.

I think that's his best talent, actually. As an industrial engineer.

[bobme]

as I see it so far, from my world of observance, Musk, and trump have no solid balls at all. Listen. Why do both of them do nothing, to stop the wars.

going on over in the middle east? Why do they send our money to make sure these murders keep going on? If they are so smart, and full of titanium balls. Why do they bow to nutiinyahos every command?

So, This is a very simple question to you all. do you want your money spent on killing people you have never met?