Time Banking (who needs money, anyway?)

[Lost Soul]

Sounds almost like the monastic way described by John Peniel in his book. The tax people will hate it (batering).

[onawah]

Posted by Lost Soul (here)
Sounds almost like the monastic way described by John Peniel in his book. The tax people will hate it (batering).

TimeBank thought of that, which is why it is really based on volunteerism, not barter, and why everyone's hour is given the same value. Everyone is essentially volunteering their time to the community--TimeBank essentially just keeps track of the hours, members, services offered, etc. although they also help to promote community volunteerism. Goods or money are not exchanged as part of a TimeBank transaction, though members can certainly do that off the record if they so choose.

[xbusymom]

I am currently in the process working with Bob Blain (creator of the Hour money www.hourmoney.org) to create a new form of time-money.

BOB,
...your ideas are fantastic! I love the Time Aid Credit Slips (TACS=TAX) with the gifter sign line and the receiver line, as a way to tell if the bill has been redeemed

* I love word play - the first thing that came to mind was "sticking this in the face of FED RES BANK"*; and the TAG teams with the notarized stamp along with the community services listing is great too, and I would love to get this rolling...

the bottom could be a different long version of the TACS acronym of "Together All Can Succeed" and leave the word PROSPER out of it to signify the moving away from the FED monetary system

Hi Bob,
OK... I redid the formats to incorporate some of my son's design ideas... and added 4 more denominations for "DAY-hours".
www.yoglin.com/TACS.html

I also would like to do the border text in all the different language translations like you have on your bills... and there is still lots of room per bill to add pics of local/community, AV (authorized validators) signatures, maybe develop all new catch-words for the denominations (my son says to skim over the klingon dictionary and pull terms from that- at this point in the revamping of the monetary system- anything is possible- something might catch the eye or have a nice ring to it).

I also had some time to let the MONEY SYSTEM idea simmer in the subconscious- and what I came up with is ...
1) combine the Ithaca system (www.ithacahours.org) of static bills for "wages earned= time spent doing a service" utilizing the "barterBIZ List" of who will accept the local TACS, plus
2) any slip that has a new pledge on it gets turned in (and swapped with a blank one) to the AV for validation with the pledgOR who then gets added to the community list
2a) ... set up a community review committee for BBB/complaints and draw up a procedure for removing people from the TACS list (for bad products/services/customer relations, etc.)
3) the point is to create "unlimited money"- not control or restrict it *(nobody is poor in time- everyone always get 24 new hours every day)... the only NATURAL - and self-regulating- restriction would be daily/weekly scheduling priorities for each person)
4) And since the TACS bills are always exchanged value(service) for time- I guess we would have to figure out how to come up with an average time that it would take to complete a task(products). and we could allow a time-curve for learning new skills or employing the disabled...
5) we need to get with Ithaca and find out how they did the time vs. dollar exchange rate...

thats all for now, and by no means perfect, but we are gettin' there...

-laura

Any input from y’all would be very much appreciated...

[Nenuphar]

Renewing the discussion for new members and guests!

[shadowstalker]

Shoot I do time banking all the time, cuz my friends are as broke as i am. The process is not that hard really, If need be put things in a ledger to keep track.
Time banking is awesome.

[Lost Soul]

Good to have when the monetary system collapses. We exchange services without money. Everyone is happy (provided the services rendered are up to snuff). Of course, for those who want to opt out or can't render service, there's always that shiny stuff called gold and silver.

[Snowy Owl]

The Financial Cartel do not want money it goes trough theirs ears but they want people be poor so it is profitable.

[Ki's]

It's a wonderful idea. I'm convinced community's could build comfortable and fulfilling lives by living off the land and trading services but I have a couple of concerns. Firstly, for as long as we are unable to actually own our land -- they call it property tax...but we know it's really rent -- we're kind of tied in forever to a monetary system to hold the land.
And second..what about those willing and able to offer professional services, ie: medical. I'm a nurse and though I would be more than happy to trade my nursing skills there is that whole icky law suit thing.
I don't mean to defend mainstream medicine. I've certainly put my license on the line often enough by smiling politely to the doctor as I write the next drug order and then whispering counter advice to the family...but, how do these community's address these kinds of issues?
My opinion (and I know it's a bit off topic) but it seems we spend a lot of time telling people to wake up but there is no plan for when we've awakened. It's kind of like...AH-HA I see what they're doing and we just keep watching as they just keep doing.
What's the plan?
I think it would go a long way to aiding the cause by pushing hard, loud and in great numbers to abolish property tax and the laws that prevent us from sustaining ourselves from the land.
Maybe we need to take a clue from the Amish...they seem to have it down

[Snowy Owl]

The Regional markets inside a States, a Provinces ofr even parts of states or Provinced do indeed have narrow relations between themselves, this is a commercial advantage. Micro-Industry work great they do extremely well in so many countries. Coopérative for vegetables and even animals farming are common in many countries. Complementary Inter-Regional allows Regions to be as Autarcic as possible. You talk about Amish Ki's y, well their regional market is furnished and provide by them. Mormons are great in constituting strategic reserves in food waters and yes fuel. Each Region will become less dependant on big corps or huge importations. Honestly in 20 years of research it is the sole economic model I have foud to avoid the dislocation of society.

[xbusymom]

Posted by Snowy Owl (here)
... the sole economic model I have found to avoid the dislocation of society.

ok, so where does one start ? I want to DO something, i just don't know how to get things from point A (theory/model) to point B (results)... especially when I am still mired in the monetary tarpit...

[Snowy Owl]

Just with Authenticity.

Look around, see if the needs of locals or tourists are covered.

Then find regional producers of those elements. Tell him the Truth, manifest that you are local, then as the producers the best price for locals (a good secure base for producers)

Then do not sell bu delivers the regional productions to expected solidarity of Locals.

Same can be done on autonomous radio, you can start to articulate the concept of Regional Development and do not forget that this program is indeed as prove in so many regions, it promote Regional Synergy. Producers will delegate quite a few thing if their undercontractant are local.

Being local is being narrow, clean cut is a must, solidarity is at its max. Good luck

Snowy

[onawah]

Posted by xbusymom (here)
ok, so where does one start ? I want to DO something, i just don't know how to get things from point A (theory/model) to point B (results)... especially when I am still mired in the monetary tarpit...

If you want to start a TimeBank, start here:
http://www.timebanks.org/
You can check to see if there is one already in your area and if there is, you can join that one.
There are other similar organizations as well.
Good luck!

[John Parslow]

Hello all I think is a brilliant idea and one which I would personally love to participate in. I pledge to try and get one going in my area and thank you for all the links it would be very interesting to know if there is one already here ...

Love and peace to all. JP

[onawah]

Posted by John Parslow (here)
Hello all I think is a brilliant idea and one which I would personally love to participate in. I pledge to try and get one going in my area and thank you for all the links it would be very interesting to know if there is one already here ...

Love and peace to all. JP

Google Time Banks in Europe. Check on Youtube. There are quite a few in Europe and some of them have made delightful videos about their activities. Our new TB project which just started last week is called "Community Eats". We are having a weekly community dinner, prepared by volunteers, paid for by donations, featuring as much locally grown and organic food as possible, no GMOS, no irradiation, etc. We are serving, soup, salad and bread and comers are welcome to bring potluck dishes to share.
We are holding this at a recording and dance studio which also has a kitchen. We are going to be videoing preparation of the food and showing it at the gathering (from 4-8PM) for diners, and also on Youtube and Facebook. We want to educate people about how we can get back to local sustainability, how to grow, shop for, prepare, store and plan for healthier eating. This is such an important, basic step, and food brings everyone together in a very good way.

Good luck!

[grannyfranny100]

I believe the book was first issued in 1980.
Watch out for the term barter. If it truly was bartering, the IRS would be at your door since barters are taxable!!
Given our economy now, the IRS wants a 1099 for garage sales over $600 and I suspect that they will go after TimeBanks, too.
It seems to be social work on behalf of the disadvantaged, mentally handicapped and teens in trouble.
I thought it might be a good way for out of work people to start home based businesses and grow them but it doesn't seem to have developed in that direction.

grannyfranny

[sjkted]

I saw another concept along this line that I like. Take a look http://wevegottimetohelp.blogspot.com/

--sjkted

[Snowy Owl]

One book I recommend and that is so adequate for this time of ours.

SMALL IS bEAUTIFULL BY sCHUMACKER

sNOWY

[Nenuphar]

"Bumped" for renewed discussion!

[Nenuphar]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=-grYauPdJaI