Liberation Day: US Tariffs on Everyone

[Ravenlocke]

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🇬🇱🤝🇨🇳 Greenland’s Foreign Minister Vivian Motzfeldt says the island is seeking closer ties with Communist China and may pursue a free trade deal, according to Xinhua

"My trip to China in 2023 was memorable," she said, noting that China is one of Greenland's largest seafood markets. "China is very important to us, and we are eager to strengthen our cooperation."

Motzfeldt said her tasks include boosting exports, enhancing cooperation in the fisheries sector, and pursuing a free trade agreement with China.

https://x.com/Hawkeye1745/status/1912148775801401395

https://x.com/thesiriusreport/status...38467864428632

https://x.com/Kanthan2030/status/1912174711909622142

[Ravenlocke]

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This chart signals a freight shock unfolding. A 49% drop in global container bookings and 64% collapse in U.S. imports within one week mirrors the kind of disruption seen after the 1930 Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act except what took months to manifest in the Great Depression is now happening in real-time.

The synchronized plunge in U.S.–China trade lanes (imports down 64%, exports down 36%) confirms that the retaliatory tariff war is already constricting cross-border logistics, with downstream consequences for inventories, inflation prints, and FX liquidity. Credit to zerohedge for spotlighting this pivotal chart.

https://x.com/mazzenilsson/status/1912138042573287907

[Bill Ryan]

A fascinating report from Pepe Escobar, who's in Shanghai right now, and who probably knows more about China than anyone in Washington.

He's been talking to taxi drivers, PhD students, government officials, and everyone in between. He explains why there is no way that China can or will be subdued or defeated in this new US-launched trade war.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=JMIevaNwXMI

[Satori]

Remember, we are in the middle of a world war and we are all combatants. It remains to be seen who or what emerges the “winner” and when. If ever.

[onevoice]

Kevin O'Leary explain how Chinese company cheats American companies, and it won't be so easy for China to defeat USA in a tariff war:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=dKkdor6_rw4

[BMJ]

Posted by Ravenlocke (here)
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🇨🇳🛑🇺🇸China has ordered its airlines not to take any further deliveries of Boeing, opens new tab jets in response to Trump's decision to impose 145% tariffs on Chinese goods

Shares of Boeing - which looks at China as one of its biggest growth markets and where rival Airbus, opens new tab holds a dominant position - were down 3% in premarket trading.

https://x.com/Hawkeye1745/status/1912100040241217952

Currently Boeing is involved in

Is the designated developer of the next 6th generation fighter jet for the US Airforce (which will probably convert to about 200 plus airframes at a minimum).

Currently producing the FA-18F Super Hornet & EA-18F Growlers for the US Navy with production running threw to 2027.

26 E-7 Wedgetails on order to the US Airforce.

108 F-15EX on order.

65 AH-65E Apache helicopters on order.

Developing for manufacture the MQ-28 GhostBat (with over 10 test aircraft produced) for the RAAF & US Airforce.

The MQ-28 has also been in development for the US Navy alongside the MQ-25 Stingray since 2022.


So I am not worried about Boeing going anywhere.

Note 17/4/25
Chinese airlines were meant to have 179 commerical jets delivered from Boeing by end of 2027. Currently Boeing has a backlog of orders for its commercial jets and three Indian airlines are eager to take those jets designated for Chinese airlines as of today.

[jaybee]

Posted by Satori (here)
Remember, we are in the middle of a world war and we are all combatants. It remains to be seen who or what emerges the “winner” and when. If ever.

A timely reminder - thanks -

This came to mind and it's as true today as it was in Dec 2019.....

In the blur of never ending propaganda, fake news, media spin + lies (from the main stream and sections of internet based 'alternative' ..)....it's easy to get side tracked - distracted and weakened from continual emotional bombardment ...

[Merkaba360]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
A fascinating report from Pepe Escobar, who's in Shanghai right now, and who probably knows more about China than anyone in Washington.

He's been talking to taxi drivers, PhD students, government officials, and everyone in between. He explains why there is no way that China can or will be subdued or defeated in this new US-launched trade war.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=JMIevaNwXMI

Come on, like this guy knows more about China than the secret societies with 1000s of years of experience, spies, intel agencies, probably the most advanced AI and hacking in the world.

Also tired of hearing the BS about the 5000 year history as if it was one strong unit for 5000 years. We have just as much history as a european culture thats taken its knowledge from Babylon, Egypt and likely Atlantis. Like somehow 1000s of years of caveman experience outweighs, a 75 year advantage of spending trillions of $ per year thru the black budget. All the other super powers had rough decades while we had far more money to spend developing tech that would seem like magic or impossible to the normies. But then again we dont know how all the ET and interdimensional alliances are on this world.

What im pretty sure of is that the chinese people are suffering the most right now. And given a country of thievery and fakery , that compounds problems during hardship times.
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I mean , this guy is literally speaking from china, so his perspectives are hardly unbiased lol. Nobody is even saying that the US goal is to "defeat" china. They are likely willing to lose hundreds of millions of citizens. Its about forcing them to join the legal system and be accountable.

US can keep growing thru immigration, china can not as long as it can just confiscate all your assets and do anything out of whim. How are they going to gain the trust to run a world currency. The US has many decades of trust gained in this area.

Lei from Lei's real talk released a video about their leaked strategy. If that is not disinfo, that shows their problem of infighting. She says that their think tanks have advised that if they conceded to the tariff wars, that the US would then go for legal lawsuits and reparations for covid. So, i assume that conceding means agree to international law.

Also, there are probably many other possibilities for Trump t pull. Like releasing various types of secret tech that empowers the people which is not good for those trying to maintain power. That would make him more popular. Who has the most experience and success overthrowing regimes? Who has the most innovative geniuses? As consciousness rises and advanced benevolent beings are able to help the countries that will lead us a step closer to freedom and prosperity, which countries do you think will most likely be given key assistance? Russia? China? Nigeria? France? Germany? Japan? USA? The Maldives? lol

Not too mention a pretty accurate predictor seeing China and Europe markets crashing first. that doesnt sound like having the upper hand economically.

Its not about US subduing anybody. Their plan is to increase the stress of a culture that is already stressed to the max working themselves to the bone, often for not a good return. They are getting more and more educated as they study just as hard. And the consciousness of the youth rising. Yea, good luck with that. The chinese will decide if they want to change their system.

[Bill Ryan]

For those who may appreciate Jeffrey Sachs (and I am one), here he is giving an address at the Antalya Diplomacy Forum in Turkey in which he explains — again — why (a) Trump doesn't know what he's doing, and (b) all this will end in tears. He's really pretty scathing.

A few notes:
1) The forum was held over 11-13 April. Jeffrey Sachs' address was on 12 April, 4 days ago.
2) Sachs isn't a 'leftist Democrat' by any means. He's simply an economics professor with a profoundly moral worldview.
3) Sachs doesn't understand the cause of climate change, and still believes it's man-made. But this is unconnected with the tariffs issue.
4) He's not the only person talking in this hour-long video. Those who want to hear Sachs' views alone can easily jump to the sections when he's speaking.

My own personal position on this is that economics is my very weakest suit, though I've worked fairly hard to learn quite a lot in the last week. However, it feels that I somehow did 'see' what feels like the general outcome of this disruption right at the start.

I have to say that I believe all this will end badly, most likely for the US but possibly also for the entire global economy, though (as will all major disruptions, whether geophysical or geopolitical), there will some nations that will emerge in much better shape than others.

Re the video title, Sachs really does say this in the first few minutes of the video.

"I’d Fail Him as a Student": Sachs Publicly Grades Trump’s Trade Illiteracy

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=r5ojbEIX8Nw

[BMJ]

When Are You Going To Take A Stand Against China

China both militarily and economical is a domineering, aggressive bully which would come into your house and take everything including the kitchen sink.

Look at how they treat Taiwan and the Philippines.

Or how they are responding to the tariffs

Tariffs are about fostering industry and protecting that industry and that is what President Trump is doing.

And yes there will be growing pains as the western world weens itself off of Chinese products.

But when you have a bully like China, just like dealing with school yard bully, you have no choice but to go in hard because that's all they understand and respect.

Going softly softly is not going to work.

P.S. Thanks China for banning rare earth exports because thanks to you President Trump is looking at export of the these minerals from Australia.

Because of your banning of Boeing jets you have managed to put another nail in your coffin, tell me who is going to want to invest in China or export to china when the CCP can ruin a deal on a whim.

It's painfully obvious that the poor people of China are suffering because of the CCP indifference.

Well a little revolution once in a while can be a good thing.

You might want reconsider your position China and come to the table after all you rely on our gas, coal, steel, crops for your economy and survival.

And some time soon we are not going to want your trinkets.

Did you forget about how the USA and allies mobilized it's peace time industry into war time production during WW2.

Well we are here again China and this time around you are our economic enemy.

And in the coming years Motor City Detroit is reopening for business amongst other icons and your going to be on the back foot then China.

So might want to reconsider you position and cut a deal or not.

[Merkaba360]

So, I heard a new take today from an intuitive reader. No idea the skill level of this person, but I thought you all need to hear this unique take to keep an eye out for this possibility.

He was very surprised and wasn't expecting it to come thru like this. But he said that we are all being played and they both already know theyll need to make a deal. That they have to do all the theatre like this to get us to go along with it. Also, that Trump will come out a bit ahead on the deal, as china has some problem that they are in over there head with. hmmm....any ideas what that could be?

He said that US and China realize that being the 2 biggest powers that their best option is to team up so that they can bully and dominate everyone else. That they will work out deals together where they will screw over the rest of the world and theyll dominate the globe. So, low tariffs between each other and both taxing the heck out of others. I can see where this would make sense if both countries see they are in danger of crashing in power and decide they can work together and keep both strong rather than fight until one or both lose.

Takes like this make "Top Economist" opinions virtually meaningless. In other words, the game being played is probably not what everyone thinks and so any expert is just completely wrong on how things look cuz they dont know the method to the madness. The reader said these people are extremely cunning.

If this were to happen, Id assume that USA would basicallly be given dominant jurisdiction over the western hemisphere and china the eastern. He is saying Canada and europeare right to be worried, cuz they are screwed if this succeeds.

Obviously, as an American, this wouldn't be the worst outcome for me. I'm not sure how bad of a scenario this would be for the globe. If this is a way to take down the dark occultists running the show from europe (ancient secret societies, rothschilds and 13 families, zionists, vatican, and basically the diddy faction), then I suppose it could be progress. But sounds like a lot of collateral damage for many countries.

Perhaps theyll make some deals so we can get global trade back to thriving. I would then plan on the rising in consciousness to sort out the rest, thwarting some of their more nefarious and most controlling goals.

Or this flip flopping of friends and enemies is enough to wake people up that its just a big elite game and people stop believing in the dramas between countries. Could make it harder to get people to go to war.

Anyway, I just thought I'd float this scenario into the mix. lol

[bojancan]

Interesting talk... in my humble opinion... the world is dumping US dollar.. and US bonds in a crazy way now... and this has been going on since a few years of course ... remember first Trump administration and tariffs... but now these moments... it is happening more faster... does Trump has a clue???


China’s Plan to Destroy the Dollar (And It’s Kind of Working)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZEcHe7fI1Zk

[jaybee]

Posted by Merkaba360 (here)
So, I heard a new take today from an intuitive reader. No idea the skill level of this person, but I thought you all need to hear this unique take to keep an eye out for this possibility.

He was very surprised and wasn't expecting it to come thru like this. But he said that we are all being played and they both already know theyll need to make a deal. That they have to do all the theatre like this to get us to go along with it. Also, that Trump will come out a bit ahead on the deal, as china has some problem that they are in over there head with. hmmm....any ideas what that could be?

{post snipped - see #131 above...}

re the bolded....perhaps that's about America having an edge over China with technology that can manipulate time and space....?

The disappearance of MH370 being a demonstration of that superiority....?

Just speculating... as you asked....

[onevoice]

Posted by Merkaba360 (here)
He said that US and China realize that being the 2 biggest powers that their best option is to team up so that they can bully and dominate everyone else. That they will work out deals together where they will screw over the rest of the world and theyll dominate the globe. So, low tariffs between each other and both taxing the heck out of others. I can see where this would make sense if both countries see they are in danger of crashing in power and decide they can work together and keep both strong rather than fight until one or both lose.

Takes like this make "Top Economist" opinions virtually meaningless. In other words, the game being played is probably not what everyone thinks and so any expert is just completely wrong on how things look cuz they dont know the method to the madness. The reader said these people are extremely cunning.

If this were to happen, Id assume that USA would basicallly be given dominant jurisdiction over the western hemisphere and china the eastern. He is saying Canada and europeare right to be worried, cuz they are screwed if this succeeds.

I think you are onto something there, that US and China are not necessarily fighting against each other; although on the surface it seems that the US and China are facing off in economic war.

I saw the following YouTube presentation by Tom Luongo, which provides alternative view of the high level strategy that Trump is using that so far no one else to my knowledge have considered.

Short introductory summary of Tom Luongo:

I am a former research chemist by trade and an Austrian Economist by study and a market analyst by choice. For the past four years I have been a Senior Financial Editor with Newsmax Media publishing my thoughts on where markets, central banks, gold and geopolitics meet and explode.

I am now the publisher of Gold, Goats n' Guns, a monthly newsletter offered through Patreon.

I have been an investor and market analyst for more seventeen years and am an astute observer in changes within the culture and the political landscape.

My summary of the main points Tom Luongo is making in the following video:
Tom Luongo thinks UK is going to trading war with the USA by using the following strategy:
1. Sell Treasuries
2. Buy dollars
3. Sell dollars
4. Buy Euros
5. Buy Euros
6. Have Euros
7. Buy German Buns - German Bun market is so much smaller than the US Treasury market.
8. Trying to maintain 2.62 on the German tenure and allow Euros to appreciate
9. It was Europeans that were dumping treasuries and here is the last piece of that puzzle. over $1.1T of Euros (except for Switzerland) net into long-term US treasuries held by those Central Banks. Total amount of money the European central bank controls is $3.5T according to the last TIC report which is for January.

The Europeans have collectively $3.4T dollars who collectively hate US.

So the US Tariff war's real target is the European Union.

China doesn't want their Yuan to appreciate, so they use the US dollars to buy something else.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=KFb-rNKMk2w

[Ravenlocke]

https://x.com/BRICSinfo/status/1912905763481169958

https://x.com/SkyNews/status/1912930789450195361

https://x.com/Telegraph/status/1912902029082571162

https://x.com/business/status/1912926517463572644

[T Smith]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
For those who may appreciate Jeffrey Sachs (and I am one), here he is giving an address at the Antalya Diplomacy Forum in Turkey in which he explains — again — why (a) Trump doesn't know what he's doing, and (b) all this will end in tears. He's really pretty scathing.

A few notes:
1) The forum was held over 11-13 April. Jeffrey Sachs' address was on 12 April, 4 days ago.
2) Sachs isn't a 'leftist Democrat' by any means. He's simply an economics professor with a profoundly moral worldview.
3) Sachs doesn't understand the cause of climate change, and still believes it's man-made. But this is unconnected with the tariffs issue.
4) He's not the only person talking in this hour-long video. Those who want to hear Sachs' views alone can easily jump to the sections when he's speaking.

My own personal position on this is that economics is my very weakest suit, though I've worked fairly hard to learn quite a lot in the last week. However, it feels that I somehow did 'see' what feels like the general outcome of this disruption right at the start.

I have to say that I believe all this will end badly, most likely for the US but possibly also for the entire global economy, though (as will all major disruptions, whether geophysical or geopolitical), there will some nations that will emerge in much better shape than others.

Re the video title, Sachs really does say this in the first few minutes of the video.

"I’d Fail Him as a Student": Sachs Publicly Grades Trump’s Trade Illiteracy

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=r5ojbEIX8Nw

To be perfectly blunt, I'm not convinced understanding the trade war--and specifically the economic consequences of the Trump Administration--is anyone's strong suit, least of all an orthodox Keynesian economist who may be an expert on the globalist economic ecosystem, but out of his lane when analyzing what seems to be a shift (or attempted shift) to a new economic paradigm. His understanding of climate change, for example (though it may not be connected to the tariff issue) is a good analogy to illustrate how a learned expert can be so off in his end analysis. Working off one false premise, e.g., understanding of how the laws of economics operate in the old paradigm, can radically alter the end conclusion per the butterfly effect, even if every other fact that follows is perfectly sound... I for one think it is way too premature to pass any judgement on the possible outcomes of this "trade tussle" between the economic superpowers one way or the other.

But Sachs is correct: the United States is consuming more than it is producing. But there are governors in place facilitating--even exacerbating--that dynamic. These are not organic governors (as Sach's implies/assumes)--these are deliberate governors. With insidious purpose. The objective of these governors (the argument goes) is to crush the self-sufficiency of a free people (essentially executing a slow/soft kill), marching them ever so slowly and in unnoticeable increments, as the frog in the pot, down a road to serfdom and to ultimate servitude per the planed objective of the masters/controllers/architects of the global order. This is what is happening, economically, in the United States, and the country will eventually collapse under its own weight if the governors imposed on the economic trade imbalance are not removed.

Yes, removing them may be a disaster--I honestly do not know. I'm not saying Sachs is necessarily wrong saying so--but he does seem to be analyzing from a huge blind spot. One thing is sure: Keeping the status quo will be equally--even more disastrous--in the long run.

[T Smith]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

"I’d Fail Him as a Student": Sachs Publicly Grades Trump’s Trade Illiteracy

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=r5ojbEIX8Nw

One more observation on this perspective. Sachs opens with the following analogy: “If you take your credit card and go shopping and run up a large credit card debt, you’re running a trade deficit with all those shops. It would be pretty strange if you blamed all the shop owners for having sold you all those things (You’re ripping me off! You’re ripping me off! You’re ripping me off! I’m running a trade deficit!)"

This does reflect Trump’s rhetoric. But in the vein of misinterpreting Trump, this interpretation does not reflect the underlying message. And in fact, Trump repeatedly has said he doesn’t “blame” China for “ripping off” the United States at all. Trump repeatedly has said America’s trade partners are “smart”, that he, too, would do the exact same thing in their position. What Trump is saying, between the lines—and this is an important distinction—we’re taking our ball away and not playing by these rules any longer, namely the post-WWII Bretton Woods Keynesian Global Order that is ultimately destroying America.

I would ask everyone who often takes Trump too literally, how does one convey such a message to your “populist” audience with a sixth-grade level understanding of the post WWII-Bretton Woods Keynesian Global Order? Oh…yeah. You simply say, you’re ripping me off! You’re ripping me off! I’m running a trade deficit!

Sachs doesn’t elaborate on “the rules” (though he’s well aware of them), which established the dollar as the world reserve currency and enabled America (and more specifically the global-elitist ruling class) to run a trade deficit with all those shops, but more insidious, to exploit America as one big bank to impose (so-called) American Hegemony and erect (more-aptly called) Imperialist World Order that has nothing to do with America and eventually ends with all us as serfs subsisting in 15-minute cities eating bugs, owning nothing, and being perfectly happy and docile about it. I suppose that’s the most humane way to cull the world population and create an environment of servitude for those of us who survive it.

The exploitation process described above necessitates buying the people’s politicians, which Sachs is correct about—but everybody already knows this. By his analysis “the political system says spend, but don’t tax us,” and everybody is fat and happy. This is what results “a chronic deficit in the United States.” And for that “Donald Trump blames the world”. The implication is the blame falls on the American people themselves and their corrupt political system. Exactly right. That’s the point. Except, again (in my view) Sachs is too literal with his interpretation.. Trump isn’t blaming the world for this; he is exposing the flaws of the International Monetary system of which Sachs is both a student and expert. And though the political system does say “spend but don’t tax”, the economic reality is far different. The system taxes the Bejesus out of us in direct proportion to the chronic deficit. So for all intents and purposes, the "chronic deficit" is an illusion. The tax is paid through the inflation of goods and services, and is borne mostly (not by the rich) but by the working and middle classes.

I really can’t speak to what extent Donald Trump blames the world for this, as charged, but I will say his policies are an attempt to address these issues.

The reason Trump didn’t make it to the second day of Sach’s International Monetary Economics course is because Trump is not taking that course. He’s pursuing a different course/ economic model altogether. I have no idea whether following that syllabus will work out or not, or whether it will end in disaster. I’m not really arguing for that or advocating for it; just understanding it for what it is and differently from the way the economist here presents the situation from a Keynesian post WWII point of view.

Bottom line? We’re in uncharted waters and there really is no way to know which way this is going to go….

[Matthew]

Thank God for tariffs from the USA on the UK. Some leverage against our (UK's) absurd anti-free speech crusade. God bless America.

[rgray222]

Posted by T Smith (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

"I’d Fail Him as a Student": Sachs Publicly Grades Trump’s Trade Illiteracy

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=r5ojbEIX8Nw

One more observation on this perspective. Sachs opens with the following analogy: “If you take your credit card and go shopping and run up a large credit card debt, you’re running a trade deficit with all those shops. It would be pretty strange if you blamed all the shop owners for having sold you all those things (You’re ripping me off! You’re ripping me off! You’re ripping me off! I’m running a trade deficit!)"

I agree with your comment wholeheartedly, but I would like to add:

When you are the largest customer in the world and you run up a deficit with the largest store in the world, that is not a good thing. When the store is forced to raise its prices by 150-300%, then you (the customer) simply stop buying products from that store. The store then looks around the world to sell to another large customer, but none can replace its largest customer. Especially when all the other customers of that store are also running very high deficits. Well, the store is in for a world of trouble when it can't move its product. There is a good chance that the stores will either go bankrupt or the store's economy will crash and burn. But the store is arrogant and will likely crash and burn, and attempt to cover up the damage until it becomes obvious to all the other customers around the world. If and when it gets to that point, anything is possible.

A final point............the stores first go to would be to sell their products in their own home market. But because the store has purposely kept the wages extremely low to grow their market share around the world, the people can't afford the store's products. The store is a victim of their own illegal, unfair, and unethical trade practices.

Personally, I hate to see this happen, but China is bringing this on themselves. I feel we should make every effort to have a good relationship with China instead of playing brinkmanship.

[bojancan]

"When all else fails they take you to war." -- Gerald Celente

In US we know... that people have trouble putting food on the table for their family... so, this is why the US government talk about... how much they have to spends on its military!
Like so many analysts and critics have pointed out... the Pentagon has never passed... not a single audit in its entire existence... tens of trillions of dollars that have been given to the Pentagon... all over the years have gone missing... without anybody knowing what those money were being used on... or where they were spending...
Unlike the average US citizens... nobody at the Pentagon is being held accountable ever!
Every year more hundreds of billions of dollars... specially this year... are simply being poured into this corrupt bottomless money... money pit known as the Pentagon that eats up a huge chunk of the US’s GDP... and taking medical care and food away from the mouths of children... elderly people and their family without any oversight... into how it operates and how it spends its money whatsoever!
That's the plan and work of this president also!!!

Bellow good Brian analysis...
"The US is preparing to subject its own population as well as those of its supposed “allies” to immense long-term economic, social, and political pain. The cost-of-living crisis in the US will only grow worse. The US hopes that it can endure economic pain and disruption at home and abroad better than the emerging multipolar world can. Multipolarism’s survival will depend on proving otherwise."


Worst Case Scenario: Trump’s Tariffs Walling US Off Ahead of Wider World Conflict

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=NSWMEc8J88Y