Day 1 of Trump's Presidency... and all the days that follow

[SilentFeathers]

Also, if Trump was on Epstein's list as Elon claims, or say, involved with Epstein in any nefarious or criminal way, wouldn't the Democrats of burned Trump at the stake for it during anytime in the last 8 years?

It honestly wouldn't surprised me if Trump was on some Epstein records or a flight list or two, so many high profile people are.

Something really weird is going on....

[onawah]

I just keep wondering if all this severe dystunction manifesting in the high circles of world governance isn't purposefully leading to COG.

[Mike]

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
Also, if Trump was on Epstein's list as Elon claims, or say, involved with Epstein in any nefarious or criminal way, wouldn't the Democrats of burned Trump at the stake for it during anytime in the last 8 years?

It honestly wouldn't surprised me if Trump was on some Epstein records or a flight list or two, so many high profile people are.

Something really weird is going on....

I had the same thought.

Then again, releasing those files might implicate quite a few of them too, squashing that motivation.

My take, for what it's worth...
We forget that these 2 guys are human, because their stamina and work ethic is otherworldly. What's happened here is a fully exhausted man (Elon Musk) felt that all his selflessness, hard work, and sacrifice were being undone by Trump's 'Big Beautiful Bill'. He views it as a betrayal, and if he's right about the bill then justifiably so.

This is a guy who on top of DOGE is running 5 multi billion dollar companies (X, Starlink, Tesla, SpaceX, Neuralink). In the last 130 days, I'd be shocked if he slept even 2 hours a night. Even without the current controversy, that would make any other mortal go completely mental. And then if you add in the relentless media attacks and the actual attacks on Tesla and so forth, you have a man who is under a massive amount of stress. And I haven't even mentioned his responsibilities as a father, or his autism.

I think he had something of a mental break, fueled by exhaustion and a sense of betrayal.

Nothing Trump has done so far in this debacle has surprised me at all. This is a guy who's up at 2am tweeting at Taylor Swift, telling her she's ugly or whatever..or telling Bruce Springsteen he's a wrinkled old prune. This is what he does.

But Elon has surprised me. And it's not so much that he took public shots at Trump, but that he took it to DEFCON 1 with the Epstein accusations. That's not what you do when you're trying to win a petty back and forth; that's what you do when you're trying to ruin someone.

[Bill Ryan]

My interim thoughts. (Nothing psychic going on here, not at all. ) But I confess I'm feeling moderately confident about all the following:

• Elon can hurt Trump much more than vice versa.

• If Musk is serious about decommissioning the SpaceX Dragon capsule system (which is what rescued the two stranded astronauts in March after Boeing's capsule dangerously malfunctioned), then there'd be no-one to ferry American astronauts to and from the ISS other than the Russians.

• It's likely that such a thing would trigger the slow demise of the ISS itself (which is already pretty old) — leaving the rapidly growing Chinese Tiangong space station as the only functioning one.

• As I posted a few days ago, Musk probably became frustrated beyond measure once he knew that DOGE was never going to be allowed to audit the Pentagon or Fort Knox, both DOGE targets with immense potential implications. That sealed for him the realization that DOGE was really only PR window-dressing, attractive glitter for the new administration. (And Musk dedicated himself personally to DOGE night and day — until he realized that Trump was never actually 100% committed to it.)

• Once the 'Big Beautiful Bill' appeared, Musk — who is pretty smart and very financially literate — knew that the US economy was going to tank, maybe deliberately driven into self-destruct. He never wanted that to happen, but grew to see Trump as a kind of unpredictable wrecking ball that he could not influence any longer.

• No-one in any media is discussing this properly or in depth yet. Lots of jokes about popcorn and bromances breaking, but there are some serious things implied here that will be discussed with gravity (a) when the dust settles, and (b) if the rift continues to grow.

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
My interim thoughts. (Nothing psychic going on here, not at all. ) But I confess I'm feeling moderately confident about all the following:

• Elon can hurt Trump much more than vice versa.

• If Musk is serious about decommissioning the SpaceX Dragon capsule system (which is what rescued the two stranded astronauts in March after Boeing's capsule dangerously malfunctioned), then there'd be no-one to ferry American astronauts to and from the ISS other than the Russians.

• It's likely that such a thing would trigger the slow demise of the ISS itself (which is already pretty old) — leaving the rapidly growing Chinese Tiangong space station as the only functioning one.

• As I posted a few days ago, Musk probably became frustrated beyond measure once he knew that DOGE was never going to be allowed to audit the Pentagon or Fort Knox, both DOGE targets with immense potential implications. That sealed for him the realization that DOGE was really only PR window-dressing, attractive glitter for the new administration. (And Musk dedicated himself personally to DOGE night and day — until he realized that Trump was never actually 100% committed to it.)

• Once the 'Big Beautiful Bill' appeared, Musk — who is pretty smart and very financially literate — knew that the US economy was going to tank, maybe deliberately driven into self-destruct. He never wanted that to happen, but grew to see Trump as a kind of unpredictable wrecking ball that he could not influence any longer.

• No-one in any media is discussing this properly or in depth yet. Lots of jokes about popcorn and bromances breaking, but there are some serious things implied here that will be discussed with gravity (a) when the dust settles, and (b) if the rift continues to grow.

Another thing I haven't seen anyone mention is what if Elon has been subjected to some kind of mind control? All of this appears really odd.

Plus the black eye thing? He didn't look right during that whole meeting with Trump the other day.

Here's a weird clip I found taken during the meeting. I don't know if its fake or not but I personally noticed him acting like this during most of that meeting, I thought it was weird.

https://x.com/TUPACABRA2/status/

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
Another thing I haven't seen anyone mention is what if Elon has been subjected to some kind of mind control? All of this appears really odd.

He's just enraged. Hell hath no fury like a billionaire scorned.

But this is how bad it could get. Steve Bannon is now saying that Trump should issue an executive order to seize SpaceX before midnight. (The chances of that are 0.1%, but who's acting crazy now?)

if that did happen, (a) most of SpaceX's engineers would quit, and (b) Musk would take what he knows (and all of his engineers willing to relocate) to Russia or China. (Remember, Musk is not an American citizen, and he can do whatever he wants in the world.)

[JackMcThorn]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
(Remember, Musk is not an American citizen, and he can do whatever he wants in the world.)

Musk became a u.s. citizen in 2oo2. In the early 199o's he was studying in Pennsylvania on a u.s. visa. He is a citizen of S. Africa as he was born there and he has a Canadian citizenship because of his mother. But, still, he can do whatever he wants in the world, nonetheless. He avoided mandatory military conscription in S. Africa by moving to Canada at age 17.

[SilentFeathers]

Well, on a side note, the lunatic lefties may now stop keying Tesla's and fire bombing Tesla dealerships. The lefties may now agree for some of the pork to be removed from the Big Beautiful Bill. Some of the lefties may actually start demanding the Epstein files to be released.

It's amazing how fast the lunatic left can go from loving Elon, to then saying he's a privileged Nazi racists white supremacists who's a threat to democracy, then to back loving him again.

This is all so ridiculous it about makes one want to puke.....

[onawah]

And maybe it's all part of a huge false flag kind of distraction meant to divert everyone's attention from something else the controllers want kept under the radar, or simply to continue causing more trauma and unrest.
Certainly a great way to create lots more LOOSH...

[BMJ]

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
Well, on a side note, the lunatic lefties may now stop keying Tesla's and fire bombing Tesla dealerships. The lefties may now agree for some of the pork to be removed from the Big Beautiful Bill. Some of the lefties may actually start demanding the Epstein files to be released.

It's amazing how fast the lunatic left can go from loving Elon, to then saying he's a privileged Nazi racists white supremacists who's a threat to democracy, then to back loving him again.

This is all so ridiculous it about makes one want to puke.....

And so maybe this was all theatre to ensure Elon and his businesses would not go threw TDS for years to come.

He did what he intended to do which is set up DOGE and is now moving on.

Re the Epstein list, it is a good way to continue to fan the flames under the hot seat Bondi, Patel & Bongino are sitting on maybe we will see some movement on this topic.

[abmqa]

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Jaak (here)

In light of the President’s statement about cancellation of my government contracts, SpaceX will begin decommissioning its Dragon spacecraft immediately.

So dumb of Trump to pour gasoline (or rocket fuel!) on this fire. That blows a fairly big hole in the Artemis lunar program, and China for sure will return men to the moon before the US. You heard it here first. (And you really did... see this thread)

They both need to shut their f'ing mouths.

Both of them are so arrogant and narcissistic neither is capable of knowing how damaging and dangerous this "spat" of idiocy is. I would say they are damaging themselves more than they are damaging each other. It truly shows the weakness in their own character for sure.

Regardless of Elon's disgust he is making a huge mistake of attacking Trump in this manner and is totally acting like a pissed off child over not getting his ice cream treat for the day. Trump is being a complete idiot for responding the way he is too.

With all the high priority and dangerous things happening in this country and around the globe it's astonishing this is what's happening and topping the headlines right now!

I still say let them fight and tell on each other, like spoiled little brats having tantrums. As a parent, having experienced my kids grassing (UK slang) on each after they were caught doing something forbidden, it was at times, quite revealing. Enabling me to learn about past transgressions I hadn't a clue about. If the Epstein files being release is the result of this crap 💩 show, then let the show continue 🙄 and see what else tumbles out...

[abmqa]

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
Well, on a side note, the lunatic lefties may now stop keying Tesla's and fire bombing Tesla dealerships. The lefties may now agree for some of the pork to be removed from the Big Beautiful Bill. Some of the lefties may actually start demanding the Epstein files to be released.

It's amazing how fast the lunatic left can go from loving Elon, to then saying he's a privileged Nazi racists white supremacists who's a threat to democracy, then to back loving him again.

This is all so ridiculous it about makes one want to puke.....

No to be argumentative, but isn't Elon Musk stating that he was responsible for Trump getting elected, if true, it is "a threat to democracy"? Doesn't that mean if Elon Musk, as the wealthiest man in the world, can and has wielded that kind of influence and power, make our democracy a fraud? Our votes insignificant? For you to insinuate that "lefties" aren't interested the release of the Epstein files is naive and displays your political bias, imo. It would be more accurate to state "those politicians not involved with the Epstein files, should now start to actively pursue their release. Regardless of political party.

You see, if someone is a pedo, it doesn't matter to me what their political leanings are. What makes me want to puke are politicians who are willing to look the other way, due to political allegiance. Disgusting!

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

The fact Trump and Elon are fighting in public, for all to see, informs my (strange, conspiratorial) mind that there's more to this than meets the eye -- that there's an element of theatre to this.

Five minutes ago, they were staunch friends and political allies. It speaks of artificiality that it's fallen apart so quickly! - and out in the open, taking pot-shots at each other on twitter, spiteful ones too. This needs to be watched carefully for clues. I don't think it's over Trump's 'big beautiful bill'. More is going on, God knows what's. I may of course be a million miles off base with this (who knows what to believe anymore?). These days, as a wise man once said, "everything seems fake and g*y".

[Flash]

It is just plainly two very large egos fighting for the public recognition on a stage, emotionally at kinder garden levels. Not much more. Gosh the wold is laughing at this children show.

Abmqa you are spot on.

[mountain_jim]

What makes me want to puke are politicians who are willing to look the other way, due to political allegiance. Disgusting!

Any politicians looking the other way are more likely doing it due to blackmail or threats of harm to them and their families, in my view.

No to be argumentative, but isn't Elon Musk stating that he was responsible for Trump getting elected, if true, it is "a threat to democracy"? Doesn't that mean if Elon Musk, as the wealthiest man in the world, can and has wielded that kind of influence and power, make our democracy a fraud? Our votes insignificant?

The biggest help to getting Trump elected was Musk buying Twitter and reallowing conservatives (and all) to have Free Speech on social media, and exposing the government censorship prior.

That made our democracy less of a fraud, in my view, and is a large reason why lefties hate Musk so much, he destroyed their and the MSM's narrative control that had so much to do with COVID absurdities and the Biden 2020 'win' aided by suppressing the Hunter laptop crimes.

Musk knows, as any of us who paid attention, that Trump took advantage of Epstein's planes a few times, but if any evidence or witnesses to any Trump-pedo-improprieties ever existed, they would not have needed to impeach him in first term, or try and kill him prior to second term.

Bringing that up was really a sour note from Musk, it seemed to me, subtracting from his good points about the BBB pork, and subsidies for oil and gas.



https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...beautiful-bill

Détente? Musk Hints At Path Forward On BBB; Trump Team Schedules Friday Call

by Tyler Durden
Thursday, Jun 05, 2025 - 11:58 PM
Update (2358ET): The optics of what happened this week between Elon Musk and President Donald Trump are wild - with Musk standing up for MAGA ideals that Trump campaigned on, and Trump peddling a bill that came from the swamp. Musk's key issues are that it raises the debt ceiling another $5 trillion, while - and this part is in contention - the bill either raises the deficit by $2.4 trillion, or lowers it by $1.4 trillion - depending on who you believe. We note that it also makes little to no effort to actually do anything about the waste, fraud, or abuse found by DOGE.



So, following a rollercoaster of a day (scroll down if you just emerged from a coma), on top of a rollercoaster week, Musk struck a different tone Thursday night on X after a long 12 hours which saw Trump threaten to pull federal funding from Musk's companies for opposing the BBB, which was met Musk calling his bluff and declaring he would decommission the SpaceX Dragon (the only operational US spacecraft capable of transporting astronauts to and from the International Space Station), proposing a new political party "that actually represents the 80% in the middle," implying Trump is a pedophile, and endorsing Trump's impeachment.

Now that the dust has settled, Musk appears to have struck somewhat of a conciliatory tone Thursday night - first posting that he would not in fact decommission Dragon.

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1930796810928599163

< more at link >



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added later for grins - and because I don't claim to know what's really going on here




on the other hand





https://x.com/LauraLoomer/status/1930976019642560743

Fox News @pdoocy says President Trump is getting rid of the @Tesla that he bought to support @elonmusk
. It’s being removed from the White House property.

[TrumanCash]

Trump’s ‘Big Beautiful Bill’ Locks Down AI for a Decade – Welcome to the Golden Age of AI Tyranny

10-Year Moratorium on State AI Regulations, Raising Alarms Over Unchecked Power and Innovation

President Donald J. Trump’s One Big Beautiful Bill Act, specifically Section 43201, imposes a 10-year moratorium on state-level AI regulations.

This move, part of H.R.1, raises concerns about a future dominated by unchecked AI power.

The bill allocates $500 million to modernize federal IT systems with AI, but it also bars states from enforcing AI laws. Now, critics warn of an “AI tyranny” era.

https://nationalfile.com/ai-regulati...eautiful-bill/

One question I have is: What keeps ET AI from infiltrating and taking over human-created AI?

From my perspective and experience with ETs and ET AI my answer would be "nothing".

[abmqa]

Posted by mountain_jim (here)

What makes me want to puke are politicians who are willing to look the other way, due to political allegiance. Disgusting!

Any politicians looking the other way are more likely doing it due to blackmail or threats of harm to them and their families, in my view.

No to be argumentative, but isn't Elon Musk stating that he was responsible for Trump getting elected, if true, it is "a threat to democracy"? Doesn't that mean if Elon Musk, as the wealthiest man in the world, can and has wielded that kind of influence and power, make our democracy a fraud? Our votes insignificant?

The biggest help to getting Trump elected was Musk buying Twitter and reallowing conservatives (and all) to have Free Speech on social media, and exposing the government censorship prior.

That made our democracy less of a fraud, in my view, and is a large reason why lefties hate Musk so much, he destroyed their and the MSM's narrative control that had so much to do with COVID absurdities and the Biden 2020 'win' aided by suppressing the Hunter laptop crimes.

Musk knows, as any of us who paid attention, that Trump took advantage of Epstein's planes a few times, but if any evidence or witnesses to any Trump-pedo-improprieties ever existed, they would not have needed to impeach him in first term, or try and kill him prior to second term.

Bringing that up was really a sour note from Musk, it seemed to me, subtracting from his good points about the BBB pork, and subsidies for oil and gas.



https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...beautiful-bill

Détente? Musk Hints At Path Forward On BBB; Trump Team Schedules Friday Call

by Tyler Durden
Thursday, Jun 05, 2025 - 11:58 PM
Update (2358ET): The optics of what happened this week between Elon Musk and President Donald Trump are wild - with Musk standing up for MAGA ideals that Trump campaigned on, and Trump peddling a bill that came from the swamp. Musk's key issues are that it raises the debt ceiling another $5 trillion, while - and this part is in contention - the bill either raises the deficit by $2.4 trillion, or lowers it by $1.4 trillion - depending on who you believe. We note that it also makes little to no effort to actually do anything about the waste, fraud, or abuse found by DOGE.



So, following a rollercoaster of a day (scroll down if you just emerged from a coma), on top of a rollercoaster week, Musk struck a different tone Thursday night on X after a long 12 hours which saw Trump threaten to pull federal funding from Musk's companies for opposing the BBB, which was met Musk calling his bluff and declaring he would decommission the SpaceX Dragon (the only operational US spacecraft capable of transporting astronauts to and from the International Space Station), proposing a new political party "that actually represents the 80% in the middle," implying Trump is a pedophile, and endorsing Trump's impeachment.

Now that the dust has settled, Musk appears to have struck somewhat of a conciliatory tone Thursday night - first posting that he would not in fact decommission Dragon.

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1930796810928599163

< more at link >



////////////////////

added later for grins - and because I don't claim to know what's really going on here




on the other hand





https://x.com/LauraLoomer/status/1930976019642560743

Fox News @pdoocy says President Trump is getting rid of the @Tesla that he bought to support @elonmusk
. It’s being removed from the White House property.

The fact that one person has stated that he has exercised his enormous wealth and influence in order to determine the outcome of democratic elections doesn't bother you, it actually encourages you, is extremely disturbing. As you stated it allowed conservatives and others free speech on social media. It appears that your political leanings influence opinions is this matter. If Elon Musk was a "leftie" would you feel the same about his actions in this matter?

[mountain_jim]

The fact that one person has stated that he has exercised his enormous wealth and influence in order to determine the outcome of democratic elections doesn't bother you, it actually encourages you, is extremely disturbing. As you stated it allowed conservatives and others free speech on social media. It appears that your political leanings influence opinions is this matter. If Elon Musk was a "leftie" would you feel the same about his actions in this matter?

I abhor government censorship of any type of free speech and desire a return to freedoms as stated by the Constitution and Bill or Rights for US citizens - the fact that it took a rich private citizen to expose and somewhat fix that disturbs me, and the fact that lefties owning all the SM platforms (with MSM/government collusion) allowed the government to control the COVID and 2020 election narratives via censorship disturbed me greatly at the time.

Many US citizens are now dead or dying due the suppression of the truths of the COVID jab harms and alternative treatments, by pharma-fascism with bought MSM, SM, and government collusion, including friends and some in our own families, I am very saddened to say.

So yes exposing and removing narrative control censorship by any faction is supported by me, the politics of the fixer matters not. Be disturbed all you want about that.

And Musk saying he 'determined' the outcome is his own BS - he counterbalanced the influence that Soros and other billionaires have and were having with his funding.

The US political system is corrupted by money and no Senate/Congress term limits - Musk has stated support for fixes to both those areas.


later: Even over last hour and for several days, nefarious powers are trying to suppress speech here at Avalon, huge denial of service attacks as documented by ThePythonicCow here

[abmqa]

Posted by mountain_jim (here)

The fact that one person has stated that he has exercised his enormous wealth and influence in order to determine the outcome of democratic elections doesn't bother you, it actually encourages you, is extremely disturbing. As you stated it allowed conservatives and others free speech on social media. It appears that your political leanings influence opinions is this matter. If Elon Musk was a "leftie" would you feel the same about his actions in this matter?

I abhor government censorship of any type of free speech and desire a return to freedoms as stated by the Constitution and Bill or Rights for US citizens - the fact that it took a rich private citizen to expose and somewhat fix that disturbs me, and the fact that lefties owning all the SM platforms (with MSM/government collusion) allowed the government to control the COVID and 2020 election narratives via censorship disturbed me greatly at the time.

Many US citizens are now dead or dying due the suppression of the truths of the COVID jab harms and alternative treatments, by pharma-fascism with bought MSM, SM, and government collusion, including friends and some in our own families, I am very saddened to say.

So yes exposing and removing narrative control censorship by any faction is supported by me, the politics of the fixer matters not. Be disturbed all you want about that.

And Musk saying he 'determined' the outcome is his own BS - he counterbalanced the influence that Soros and other billionaires have and were having with his funding.

The US political system is corrupted by money and no Senate/Congress term limits - Musk has stated support for fixes to both those areas.


later: Even over last hour and for several days, nefarious powers are trying to suppress speech here at Avalon, huge denial of service attacks as documented by ThePythonicCow here

Actually, what you believe I might find disturbing, is what we agree on. In principle, not a solitary person or platform should be able to dictate the results of our elections. I find it incredible that you believe that Elon Musk is full of poop, and wasn't able to control the outcome. Elon Musk, the richest man in the world without doubt, and perhaps the most tech person also. He's telling us that he did it, and we're not supposed to believe him? It's my opinion that you're allowing your political leanings to cloud your judgement. Elon has been granted exclusive access to the inner workings of the Trump administration. Does he have sour grapes 🍇? Sure, but he also had access to privileged information. I'm not a fan of Elon's. I find it disgusting that he was aware of the pedo information and kept his mouth shut, until now, if it is true. It says all that I need to know about the man. Trump's resolution to the situation is simple. Have the FBI release the files, all of them.
Btw we are more in agreement than disagreement. My acid test for any politician is, Term Limits and the dismantling of Citizens United. Regardless of political party.
Have a great day 😀

[mountain_jim]

I'm not a fan of Elon's. I find it disgusting that he was aware of the pedo information and kept his mouth shut, until now, if it is true. It says all that I need to know about the man. Trump's resolution to the situation is simple. Have the FBI release the files, all of them.

I am beyond confident that there is no Trump-pedo information in 'those files'. Trump would have been removed from the scene long before now if there was.

I also want all the Epstein files, videos, perps, CIA/Mossad blackmail involvement info released (with only victims protected)- same for the Diddy parties, which now have had Intelligence-agency connections entered into the trial testimony.



Clandestine
@WarClandestine
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If there was anything even remotely incriminating about Trump in the Epstein files, it would have been leaked before Trump reached the bottom of the escalator.