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[Strat]

Posted by Mike (here)
A country isn't a country at all without 4 vital elements:

1) shared values

So there's lots I want to say but I want to make sure I understand you because I try to avoid making assumptions about people.

I was trying to find it but somewhere you wrote how you want to preserve western values. Right? Could you elaborate on these values? USA's culture is actually something I'm ashamed of and I am often thinking on leaving the country if I'm going to start a family with my girl. But maybe we're talking two different things when I say culture and you say values so that's why I'd like to get your thoughts on it before I write anything.

One thing I agree with you is that we should help our people before thinking about helping others. I think it's only logical (it's somewhat Biblical too but I don't base my decisions off of the Bible) to first help yourself, then your family, then move on from there whether it's country, community or w/e. That's in regards to USA spending our tax dollars. On a personal level my charity work/donations don't go to USA but that's a different topic altogether.

[Mike]

Posted by Strat (here)

Posted by Mike (here)
A country isn't a country at all without 4 vital elements:

1) shared values

So there's lots I want to say but I want to make sure I understand you because I try to avoid making assumptions about people.

I was trying to find it but somewhere you wrote how you want to preserve western values. Right? Could you elaborate on these values? USA's culture is actually something I'm ashamed of and I am often thinking on leaving the country if I'm going to start a family with my girl. But maybe we're talking two different things when I say culture and you say values so that's why I'd like to get your thoughts on it before I write anything.

One thing I agree with you is that we should help our people before thinking about helping others. I think it's only logical (it's somewhat Biblical too but I don't base my decisions off of the Bible) to first help yourself, then your family, then move on from there whether it's country, community or w/e. That's in regards to USA spending our tax dollars. On a personal level my charity work/donations don't go to USA but that's a different topic altogether.

hey Strat, happy to answer all that. But I think I can answer it more productively if you answer just a couple quick questions first: What exactly is it about US culture that you're ashamed of? And where would you prefer to move to instead?

I promise I'm not gonna sh!t on you or anything, no matter how you answer. I just think I can answer better if I you explain a little

[AutumnW]

Posted by Mike (here)

Posted by AutumnW (here)
My post was about those who complain about immigrants forced to flee war torn wastelands. Wars that the US often starts.


Muslims are not taking over your country.

If I were them I would try and do the same exact thing. I understand and empathize with it. But you just can't let people in willy-nilly, even if you're of the belief that we somehow owe them because of our wars. If making amends involves destroying your own country, I'm gonna have to pass on that.

But most are not fleeing war torn countries. Most are just seeking out a better life, or have other (sometimes sinister) motivations. The Chinese nationals coming to the U.S. aren't leaving a war torn country. Nor are the Mexicans or Indians. And those are the top 3 countries of origin for immigration to the U.S. (according to A.I. anyway).

You're right, Muslims are not invading the U.S. I already acknowledged that! I thank Trump for that and all his wonderful work on the southern border. If that's sociopathic leadership, give me more of that!

It's the rest of the world who are being flooded with Muslim immigrants. To answer your question, I've never had any issues with Muslim people personally. None that I can remember anyway.

Before I say anything else, you know I have great affection for you, and I hope we can chat moving forward without too much tension I know we're gonna cross swords, but I value you as a friend. Sorry for any aggression on my part

Moving on...
My first exposure to unchecked immigration was my 2 years spent in California. The Spanish language is lovely and beautifully cadenced, but by the time I left California I decided I'd be a happy man if I never had to hear another Spanish word for the rest of my life LOL. It was all novel and great at first, don't get me wrong. I loved exploring this new culture and the all the great food, and then I realized about 2 months in that Mexican cuisine is just one long variation of the taco. Whether it's a burrito, a wrap, a quesadilla, or enchilada...it's really just a taco in a different form. I got sick of it. I wanted burgers and pizza again. I'm American, what can I say?

I never had any issues with the Mexican people; I had more issues with the white people actually. That was just as much of a culture shock coming from the east coast. The straight brim hat, Volcom t-shirt wearing, heavily tattoo'd white guys...I can't relate to them at all. But they were actually the minority, along with me. And over time I found it tiresome, I'll admit. Does that make me racist? I hope not. I didn't hate the Mexicans or feel superior; I didn't want to toss them in camps or anything or wipe them off the earth. I hung out with them and drank their beer and ate their food and had good times. It was just a different culture, and over time it wore me out. And I grew to resent it a little, because after all this is the U.S., not Mexico, and I wouldn't dream of moving to Mexico and trying to set up a USA 2.0 there, just out of basic respect.

Thanks for this Mike.

Your honest observations help me to understand MAGA better. I empathize with a lot of sentiments of those who are fed up with society in general, and want a strong man to straighten things out. I just wish, for example, that due process was followed to protect all members of the US, from major mistakes that can be made without it.

As far as Western values go...identity politics has, to a point, trashed the idea of equality of worth and afforded special status to small subgroups.

Western business interests and politicans went overboard on this one. It afforded them the opportunity to divert focus from existential issues we all have to deal with. Like oligarchic control of real estate that's driven rents through the roof.


I can live without Mexican food. It's a way of getting cheap protein and that's likely why it is the way it is! Buenos Dios!

[Strat]

Posted by Mike (here)
hey Strat, happy to answer all that. But I think I can answer it more productively if you answer just a couple quick questions first: What exactly is it about US culture that you're ashamed of? And where would you prefer to move to instead?

I think it's more appropriate if you answer first. I will say to the second question you asked me I don't have anything set in stone although I think I have it narrowed down to a few places. And the appeal isn't the countries themselves, their laws, their religion(s) or anything like that. Those are often worse than USA, some by far and infrastructure blows compared to USA. It's the behavior of the people and their mindset that I can appreciate. So like the 'sum mindset' of all the people in these countries. Does that make sense?

I will give you a little more context regarding my original question if it helps: When you say 'western values' I am not sure what that is, maybe that's a dumb statement but I really don't know. Like different religions promote different values, families tend to have different values, my specific family has certain values and maybe these are things we share in common that you wish to promote but again I'm not sure what you're getting at. This is why I kinda translate values to culture in this context, because US culture is something you can find in every state.

That's all, just wanted your definition of values.

Posted by Mike (here)
I promise I'm not gonna sh!t on you or anything, no matter how you answer. I just think I can answer better if I you explain a little

God bless you sir. I promise not to call you boss man.

[Mike]

Posted by Strat (here)

Posted by Mike (here)
hey Strat, happy to answer all that. But I think I can answer it more productively if you answer just a couple quick questions first: What exactly is it about US culture that you're ashamed of? And where would you prefer to move to instead?

I think it's more appropriate if you answer first. I will say to the second question you asked me I don't have anything set in stone although I think I have it narrowed down to a few places. And the appeal isn't the countries themselves, their laws, their religion(s) or anything like that. Those are often worse than USA, some by far and infrastructure blows compared to USA. It's the behavior of the people and their mindset that I can appreciate. So like the 'sum mindset' of all the people in these countries. Does that make sense?

I will give you a little more context regarding my original question if it helps: When you say 'western values' I am not sure what that is, maybe that's a dumb statement but I really don't know. Like different religions promote different values, families tend to have different values, my specific family has certain values and maybe these are things we share in common that you wish to promote but again I'm not sure what you're getting at. This is why I kinda translate values to culture in this context, because US culture is something you can find in every state.

That's all, just wanted your definition of values.

Posted by Mike (here)
I promise I'm not gonna sh!t on you or anything, no matter how you answer. I just think I can answer better if I you explain a little

God bless you sir. I promise not to call you boss man.

Gotcha. The country was founded on enlightenment values, classical liberal values, and Judeo-Christian values. The founding documents are a mishmash of these things. These are some very basic explanations:

Enlightenment values: Enlightenment values emphasize reason, individualism, and progress, challenging traditional authority and promoting concepts like liberty, toleration, and constitutional government.

Classical liberal values: Classical liberalism emphasizes individual freedom, limited government, and free markets. It prioritizes individual rights, including property rights, and advocates for a constitutional government with checks and balances to prevent the concentration of power. Classical liberals also value free speech, religious toleration, and mutual cooperation among individuals

Judeo-Christian values: one nation, under God etc.

What I was wondering when you expressed a sense of shame about the country was: Are you talking about the founding era? The treatment of the Native Americans? Or something like slavery?

Or are you talking about something more current?

[onawah]

The report following from Judicial Watch is just one minor example of what is so concerning about illegal aliens in the US.
...Something which I've been concerned about ever since all the reports from Europe started 5 years or so ago about the many (!!!) unprovoked rapes and attacks on European women once the aliens began arriving there in droves from the Middle East.
(To many Middle Eastern males, a woman or adolescent girl simply appearing in public unveiled can be a provoking signal.
Suddenly finding themselves living in a largely Christian nation with different values apparently had little effect on their actions, and that may have simply been among the most evident outcomes.
Bold letters my emphasis. )

Dozens of Illegal Aliens Working at Meat Processing Plant with Stolen IDs Screened with E-Verify
6/25/25
https://www.judicialwatch.org/stolen...m_term=members
"Years after Judicial Watch reported (https://www.judicialwatch.org/dhss-e...o-work-in-u-s/ ) ...that the government’s system to verify if employees are authorized to work legally in the United States approved hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants, federal authorities have uncovered widespread identity theft at a meat processing plant that used the defective tool to screen 100% of its staff. A recent Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) worksite enforcement operation at Glenn Valley Foods in Omaha, Nebraska busted over 70 illegal aliens who were using stolen Social Security numbers and identities to unlawfully obtain wages, health benefits and employment authorization, according to the agency. The criminal identity theft scheme left “more than 100 real victims to face devastating financial, emotional and legal consequences,” ICE writes in its announcement of the operation.
https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ic...affecting-more

Incredibly, Glenn Valley Foods was reportedly 100% compliant with E-Verify, a costly government database launched nearly three decades ago that screens new employees using records from various agencies to confirm candidates are in the country legally. https://www.dhs.gov/verify-employmen...ility-e-verify The web-based system claims to match information provided by new hires against Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and Social Security Administration (SSA) records. U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) operates it because the agency is responsible for administering the nation’s lawful immigration system. The program is available to employers in every state as well as the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, Guam, the U.S. Virgin Islands, and Commonwealth of Northern Mariana Islands. For private businesses it is voluntary but federal contractors and subcontractors must use it to vet workers. The government has for years claimed that E-Verify is “the best means available to electronically confirm employment eligibility.”

The Republican congressman (Don Bacon) who represents Omaha in the U.S. House, confirms that Glenn Valley Foods “complied with E-Verify 100%” and therefore the company is also a “victim.” https://bacon.house.gov/news/documen...ocumentID=2702
Other casualties of the Omaha identity fraud ring include a Californian who has been working for nearly 15 years to restore their identity and repair financial damage caused by the identity theft of one of the illegal immigrants; A disabled person in Texas, who was unable to work, and could not collect Social Security disability payments because an illegal alien was fraudulently using their identity and earning wages at Glenn Valley Foods; A Colorado resident ordered by the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) to repay over $5,000 after their income was falsely increased by the illegal immigrant’s identity theft; A full-time nursing student from Missouri who lost their college tuition assistance because it was fraudulently reported that they earned too much money after an illegal alien used their Social Security number for employment at Glenn Valley Foods.

Expressing frustration over the left’s narrative condemning recent immigration operations, the Homeland Security Investigations special agent in charge of the Glenn Valley Foods case points out that individuals have gone on the record referring to the identity thieves arrested by his agents as “good, hardworking, and honest.” The reality is that “these so-called honest workers have caused an immeasurable amount of financial and emotional hardship for innocent Americans,” said the supervisory agent, Mark Zito. “If pretending to be someone you aren’t in order to steal their lives isn’t blatant, criminal dishonesty, I don’t know what is.” The DHS official goes on to confirm that the criminals who stole these identities did not just break the law, they upended lives. “These victims aren’t faceless statistics,” special agent Zito said. “They’re real people who are being denied healthcare and have lost educational opportunities.” Zito also revealed that the investigation is ongoing.

If in fact Glenn Valley Foods screened every single employee with E-Verify it clearly demonstrates that the system’s widely reported flaws, identified in federal audits for years, have not been corrected. Just a few years ago, a DHS Inspector General report blasted USCIS, exposing “deficiencies” that illustrate the program needs “additional capabilities” to effectively confirm that individuals are eligible for employment in the United States. At the time the DHS watchdog found that E-Verify authorized employment for about 280,000 non-U.S. citizens without using the photo-matching process to confirm their identities and that 613,000 individuals were approved without meeting USCIS’s own verification requirements. Those are considered illegal immigrants, the demographic the system is supposed to prevent from unlawfully obtaining wages in the U.S."

[onawah]

More just posted by Tintin here about huge numbers of rapes of young white girls committed by Middle Eastern (Pakistani) immigrants, only in this case, in the UK: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1674539