SAS captured in Libya.

[Shakespeare's Foot.]

From The Guardian:


'SAS unit' captured in Libya

Defence secretary Liam Fox says 'small diplomatic team' is in Benghazi to talk to rebels.

* Martin Chulov, Polly Curtis and Amy Fallon
* guardian.co.uk, Sunday 6 March 2011 11.27 GMT
* Article history


The defence secretary, Liam Fox, has confirmed that a "small diplomatic team" is in Benghazi to talk to Libyan rebels but refused to confirm reports that any British nationals had been detained.

According to Guardian sources, a suspected British intelligence and special forces unit, which parachuted in about four days ago, was caught near the town of Khandra, about 20 miles west of Benghazi.

A senior member of Benghazi's revolutionary council said: "They were carrying espionage equipment, reconnaissance equipment, multiple passports and weapons. This is no way to conduct yourself during an uprising.

"Gaddafi is bringing in thousands of mercenaries to kill us, most are using foreign passports and how do we know who these people are?

"They say they're British nationals and some of the passports they have are British. But the Israelis used British passports to kill that man in Dubai last year."

Rebel leaders claimed the captives were being treated well and would be released as soon as the British government vouched for their identity with the rebel command.

The news follows Sunday Times claims that an SAS unit was being held by rebel forces it had approached in an attempt to open up diplomatic channels to opponents of Muammar Gaddafi.

Fox refused to give any more details on the diplomatic team's mission in the eastern area of the country, which is controlled by rebel forces: "We are in touch with them but I'm not going to be giving further comment on that."

Whitehall sources said on Friday it needed to learn more about the leadership of the anti-Gaddafi forces and find out what logistical support they needed, but would not give arms to the rebels, as an international arms embargo was in place.

Fox said: "It is a very difficult situation to be able to understand in detail. There are a number of different opposition groups to Colonel Gaddafi in Libya who do seem relatively disparate.

"We want to clearly understand what the dynamic is here because we want to be able to work with them to ensure the demise of the Gaddafi regime, to see a transition to greater stability in Libya and ultimately to more representative government.

"So getting a picture of that is relatively difficult, as is widely reported. Communications are being interrupted, there are difficulties with mobile phones, with the internet potentially being interfered with.

"So we are trying to build a picture – it's essential that the government does that and it's essential that all western governments do that so we are able to get a clearer idea of what we are able to do in terms of helping the people of Libya."

The Sunday Times reported Libyan and British sources confirming the SAS unit had been detained by rebel forces it had approached to secure a meeting with a junior diplomat to offer help in their fight against Gaddafi. The mission backfired when rebel leaders in Benghazi objected to foreign interference from governments which had not yet formally recognised them as Libya's legitimate rulers, it said.

Spokesmen for the Ministry of Defence and the Foreign Office refused to confirm or deny the Sunday Times report.

The international development secretary, Andrew Mitchell, refused to comment about the SAS unit when questioned on Radio 5 Live.

When asked if it was possible a diplomat was there for talks, he replied: "It is perfectly possible that the Foreign Office will be trying to open links with all the rebel forces there."

The foreign secretary, William Hague, urged Gaddafi to put an "immediate stop" to the use of armed force against Libyans.

"Given the continued levels of illegitimate violence within Libya we call upon Colonel Gaddafi to put an immediate stop to the use of armed force against the Libyan people," he said.

"He must hand over power without delay to a government which fully recognises the legitimate aspirations of the Libyan people.

"The UK reiterates its support for the transition to a government that will deliver greater democracy, justice, transparency, human rights and accountability in Libya."

Heavy gunfire has erupted in Tripoli, with hundreds of Gaddafi's supporters pouring into the streets. Libyan authorities said the gunfire was to celebrate the recapture of cities including Ras Lanuf.

[Calz]

Posted by Shakespeare's Foot. (here)
From The Guardian:


'SAS unit' captured in Libya

Libya relels did not invite outside military aide. On the contrary they said "stay out" of our revolution.

What would you expect would happen if Libya parachuted a dozen or so military people into downtown London?

[Shakespeare's Foot.]

If you're thinking that i disagree with the rebels capturing them then you're very much mistaken. The SAS shouldn't be there, they have no right to be there. I thought of passing comment but i didn't think it would be needed. Alas...

I could be wrong but as i see it what's happening in the middle east is modern warfare. Or as David Icke would put it 'Problem, Reaction, Solution'. They want change in Iran but know that they can't invade like they did in Iraq of Afgahnistan so they unstable the region starting with the country in which they hold most control - Egypt. And it's all done through social networks so their hands are clean. Then let ( and 'persuade') the rest of the region to follow.

[fopa]

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)

What would you expect would happen in Libya parachuted a dozen or so military people into downtown London?

PC hat on:

Well they would be given financial support, a house and a platform to aire any grievances they may have.

Regarding the SAS issue, im sure that by the time the news filtered through to us mere minions on the ground. That the British Government would of had a serious amount of rescue teams on the ground waiting for the order to extract.

[Lord Sidious]

Shoot them.
That is what I would do if I were in charge.
There is no state of war between the UK and Libya, if you are caught in disguise inside another nation, bang.
Anyone remember the SAS men captured in Basra dressed as arabs about 5 or 6 years ago?

[Shakespeare's Foot.]

Hmmm...i really don't condone shooting them. Aren't we all here because that's the behaviour that we deplore?

[fopa]

Why would they be dressed as arabs in Basra, when the Uk forces had Basra as a HQ for the occupation of Iraq? It doesnt make sense to be covert in that location if you get what i mean.

If you have a link it would be appreciated

[dan i el]

And there was Gaddafi thinking he'd secured his new worldly invite to the carve up as a premier African transformation executive. I might have a look for the little green book on ebay.

[manny]

it is by all means in the interest of the uk and america.
to butt in on any conflict thats going on in the world.
all these new weapons that have been developed need to be used and tested.
and whatever other hidden agenda.

[Calz]

Posted by fopa (here)

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)

What would you expect would happen in Libya parachuted a dozen or so military people into downtown London?

PC hat on:

Well they would be given financial support, a house and a platform to aire any grievances they may have.

Regarding the SAS issue, im sure that by the time the news filtered through to us mere minions on the ground. That the British Government would of had a serious amount of rescue teams on the ground waiting for the order to extract.

In *no* way singling out Brits ... Americans are politically and militarily the *most* intrusive and disrespectful of other soveriegn nations and their "rights" (at least currently).

Caveat: depending on how far down the rabbit hole you want to go then how much part of "the illusion" are nation states to begin with ... but I digress.

Anyway ... in keeping with "PC hats" ... if a Libyan plane were to fly over American soil (unless part of a covert op) then I assure you the plane would be shot down *well* before there was a chance to parachute.

[Calz]

Posted by fopa (here)
Why would they be dressed as arabs in Basra, when the Uk forces had Basra as a HQ for the occupation of Iraq? It doesnt make sense to be covert in that location if you get what i mean.

Exactly and point well made

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by Shakespeare's Foot. (here)
Hmmm...i really don't condone shooting them. Aren't we all here because that's the behaviour that we deplore?

The international laws that THEY made say they can do it.
Remember, they made the law that following orders is not excuse.
And also remember that even today, they accuse others of doing this, yet have the greatest history of doing this themselves.
Oh, and those guys weren't in town to buy flowers for the dead Libyans.
Shoot them after a trial if you wish, but they deserve no protection from the law.

Posted by fopa (here)
Why would they be dressed as arabs in Basra, when the Uk forces had Basra as a HQ for the occupation of Iraq? It doesnt make sense to be covert in that location if you get what i mean.

If you have a link it would be appreciated

No worries. Here some spun versions.

http://www.eliteukforces.info/specia...ns/basra-raid/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-torturer.html

I would wonder what all the weaponry was for if all they were doing was investigating alleged torture in the prison?

Or, were they really there to ''assist'' in the tit for tat mosque destructions going on at the time?

Now for some more links, but not spun.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...ext=va&aid=990

http://www.pej.org/html/modules.php?...ticle&sid=3331

Spec Ops are not as bad as spooks, but I wouldn't trust em, they are faithful servants of their masters.

[manny]

why are they there?

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by manny (here)
why are they there?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathfinder_(military)

[fopa]

Ah that explains it, thanks for the links!

[Shakespeare's Foot.]

The international laws that THEY made say they can do it.
Remember, they made the law that following orders is not excuse.
And also remember that even today, they accuse others of doing this, yet have the greatest history of doing this themselves.
Oh, and those guys weren't in town to buy flowers for the dead Libyans.
Shoot them after a trial if you wish, but they deserve no protection from the law.

- Isn't the whole point that we should be the change that we want? Aren't these laws the ones that we are opposing? I'm not going to condemn them for their laws and then inflict the same myself. It's a contradiction. If we dream of change and a more evolved species then we have to be that change ourselves. Right now.

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The first paragraph above is a quote from somebody earlier and supposed t be highlighted as such.... but i'm rubbish with computers!

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by fopa (here)
Ah that explains it, thanks for the links!

All you have to do is ask your Uncle Sidious and he will consult all the Sith Seers he has out the back.

Oops, I meant, I will look at my books.
Yeah, that is what I meant.



Move along, these aren't the droids you are looking for.

Posted by Shakespeare's Foot. (here)
The international laws that THEY made say they can do it.
Remember, they made the law that following orders is not excuse.
And also remember that even today, they accuse others of doing this, yet have the greatest history of doing this themselves.
Oh, and those guys weren't in town to buy flowers for the dead Libyans.
Shoot them after a trial if you wish, but they deserve no protection from the law.

- Isn't the whole point that we should be the change that we want? Aren't these laws the ones that we are opposing? I'm not going to condemn them for their laws and then inflict the same myself. It's a contradiction. If we dream of change and a more evolved species then we have to be that change ourselves. Right now.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

The first paragraph above is a quote from somebody earlier and supposed t be highlighted as such.... but i'm rubbish with computers!

It is not necessarily a contradiction.
Have you ever heard the saying ''Hung by his own petard?''
Or, as you put out, so shall ye reap.
THEY invaded Libya, Libyans didn't go to London and kidnap them.

[Carmody]

Whether I agree with it or not, the UK would risk a dozen teams, and more..if necessary,(whatever it takes) in order to gain (to take a chance at gaining) a potential land/sea base/port that could be that deep into the Mediterranean and Mideast/Africa. For them, it is only common sense to try. No matter who -or what- is actually running the UK.

If I was them (Libyan 'rebels') ...I'd expect to find, to 'run into', potentially... someone (or some groups) who claim to represent Russia as well, possibly. Or even China.

[Shakespeare's Foot.]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)

Posted by fopa (here)
Ah that explains it, thanks for the links!

It is not necessarily a contradiction.
Have you ever heard the saying ''Hung by his own petard?''
Or, as you put out, so shall ye reap.
THEY invaded Libya, Libyans didn't go to London and kidnap them.

I understand what happened. But i just don't believe in vengeance or vindictiveness - and that's what we're talking about. I believe that our potential is much more than that. And i know that i have to be that myself before i expect others to be it. It's personal responsibility.

[dan i el]

the UK govt/crown/city have applied the military in such roles for centuries now