The Magenta Protocol - Why the First Known “Crash” May Have Been No Accident

[peace]

Complete shower thoughts here as I just finished the Jesse Michels interview featuring Hal Malmgren.

I think this idea can PARTIALLY bring answers to:
the fermi paradox - why we don't see anyone else
abduction phenomena - why they interact with us

A little spoiler. He thinks, as many of us do, time travel is involved. Utilizing Dark Forest thinking I'd like to submit an idea:

The craft that came down in Magenta, Italy in 1933 wasn’t a malfunction. It was a deliberate insertion—a dual-purpose mission executed by a civilization that may be:

Our descendants—from a distant future timeline.

Operating under Dark Forest logic—to deter external threats.

Orchestrating history—to ensure that time travel begins in our civilization.

It was not a UFO crash.
It was a calculated temporal placement.

The galaxy is a jungle, and Earth is waking up loudly—with radiation, combustion, rapid industrialization, and increasingly detectable electromagnetic signatures.

This craft served as a message to anyone watching:

“This species is volatile and primitive, but it is ours. Avoid contact. Let them evolve.”
Like placing a radioactive sign on a door.
It says: “DO NOT ENTER."

The presence of the craft, its exotic materials, its unexplainable performance characteristics—all this creates a slow burn in the human psyche.

By seeding our timeline with this anomaly, it guarantees that the eventual path toward time travel is set in motion.

Magenta wasn’t just to stop others. It was to start us.

Timeline of Related Events (Key Insertions)
1933 – Magenta Crash (Italy)
Mission: Drop a craft on Earth with dual-use intent.

Warn others off.
Start us.

Malmgram NOTES THE BEING RECOVERED AT ROSWELL GIVES US THE INFORMATION NEEDED TO KNOCK A UFO OUT OF THE SKY -
"Here's mock up 3 of the craft you need to build. 1. Magenta, 2. Roswell, 3. Operations in the Pacific, 4. 5. 6 ..............."

I like to expand further that they send the most technologically advanced back first, and subsequently send "simpler" devices back over time so we can "back in" to the first craft we ever build.

Post-war, the tech and knowledge are likely funneled into postwar intelligence networks (e.g., Paperclip, Vatican pipeline).

1945 – Trinity Test
First nuclear detonation. A signal visible across time and dimensions.

Draws in future humans or their proxies to intervene.

1947 – Roswell Incident
Recovery of advanced craft—possibly a follow-up mission to Magenta.

Begins serious U.S. involvement in reverse engineering and exotic materials analysis.
1948 – Aztec Crash
Suggests the timeline is unstable. Crashes may not be malfunctions—but localized timeline ruptures due to observational paradoxes.

1954 – Eisenhower Meeting
Alleged meeting not with aliens—but with timefarers - "Stop knocking us out of the sky - IT's US - IT's YOU."

Agreement likely centers on:

Timeline containment.
Monitoring of nuclear escalation.
Approval for limited biological audits (DNA mapping, abductions).
Assurance we will be protected from the locals. I firmly believe this maybe where were running into Reptilians - SOMEONE doesn't care about the warning.

I understand the time travel troupe is generic. I think there's something there.

Two videos two reference the thinking.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=09KP8XVf5nY

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=qIVGgLiigGM

[peace]

the mind wanders

factions in time
temporal cold/hot wars

we sit on an island of time aghast

[Ravenlocke]

https://x.com/pavelibarrameda/status...80031331311713

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On the latest Psicoactivo, we have UFO researchers Craig Oliver and Michael Armentor reacting to Harald Malmgren's confirmation of their Magenta UFO Crash retrieval investigation from 1933. An event that could be considered the first UFO Crash Retrieval in history, that has OG spook Allen Dulles right in the middle of it.

Timestamps.

00:00 Intro
01:02 What is The Magenta Project?
03:08 How did Craig & Michael meet?
04:51 The first UFO Crash Retrieval in history.
08:29 Could UFO’s be reverse-engineered tech?
14:48 Operation Paperclip reimagined & Operation Sunrise.
20:10 Secret Societies.
22:24 Would Craig and Michael keep the secrecy too?
38:39 Miscellaneous break.
39:22 Slide on the shape of the crashed UFO.
49:18 Mussolini’s family involvement in Magenta.
01:18:55 Knights of Malta & The Vatican.
01:22:57 Potential NAZI influence in today’s world thanks to Dulles.
01:27:04 Mussolini memo.
01:36:29 Chris Sharp & Geoff Cruickshank.
01:36:53 Too soon to talk about the McGregor Project.
01:39:18 Glenn Gaffney.
01:42:29 Where the Deep State originated.
01:47:19 The Magenta Project announcement.
01:57:28 Outro.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=qS-zGxL3UuY

[Ravenlocke]

https://x.com/UAPJames/status/1914839220226597298

[Ravenlocke]

https://x.com/UfoBloke/status/1904433687732891803

[Ravenlocke]

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In 1933 a cylindrical UFO crashed near Milan, Italy. Inside were two human bodies around 1.80m long with blond hair/blue eyes. After the war all the debris and bodies were sent to the US.

And now we we have corroboration of this event from UFO whistleblower David Grusch, who described this UFO crash retrieval which preceded Roswell. Here are source documents from the case, in Italian.

https://reddit.com/r/UFOB/comments/p...ed_near_milan/

Being type: Nordics... #ufotwitter #uaptwitter

https://x.com/planethunter56/status/1666666461266612228

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Donovan carried out retrieval of Magenta craft, Angleton made deals with Vatican. Making a doc on Magenta after working with my research partner and Geoff Cruikshank putting it together.

https://youtu.be/FlxB2SzXYks?si=A6ZQWfWN92KPQuqz

Went long on US power structure after:


https://x.com/MagentaUFOUAP/status/1915295008028336617

[Ravenlocke]

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A couple new statements from UFO whistleblower Grusch via a new article on Blendle (a Dutch mag) where
@MaxMoszkowicz
got to interview Grusch and also some see of the Italy 1933 UFO crash docs. The part about Russia... reminded me of DeLonge's General: "And somewhere in those years, we found a life form."

Are only America and Italy involved?
Grusch: "No, there are also known cases in Russia, for example. It even resulted in a race with the Russians to see who could master the UAP technology first."

Has anyone tried to address this before?
Grusch: "Yes, but they have disappeared, or have been silenced with serious threats. This is life-threatening knowledge."

Link to source article from Blendle: https://shorturl.at/mrIY9

H/T:
@MetaStudioLogic
for this find.

#ufotwitter #uaptwitter


https://x.com/planethunter56/status/1674092692014497792

https://x.com/robertsepehr/status/1666466277395927041

[Ravenlocke]

Text:
A good description from
@LiberationTimes
of the alleged Nordic ETs that were recovered in the 1933 UFO crash in Italy (as discussed by UFO whistleblower David Grusch).

Two males, very tall (around 7ft), long blonde hair, very high and spacious foreheads, clear blue eyes that look somewhat Asiatic, small noses, small mouths, small chins, thin lips, very clear pale skin, but no signs of facial hair. Their hands, although slender are human-like, their toes are small and their feet flat.

Pretty much, could "walk among us."

https://liberationtimes.com/home/dis...-leads-to-rome

#ufotwitter #uaptwitter

https://x.com/planethunter56/status/1667326299944423424

[peace]

Extratempestrial Visitors. Adds up.

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Posted by Ravenlocke (here)
Text:
A good description from
@LiberationTimes
of the alleged Nordic ETs that were recovered in the 1933 UFO crash in Italy (as discussed by UFO whistleblower David Grusch).

Two males, very tall (around 7ft), long blonde hair, very high and spacious foreheads, clear blue eyes that look somewhat Asiatic, small noses, small mouths, small chins, thin lips, very clear pale skin, but no signs of facial hair. Their hands, although slender are human-like, their toes are small and their feet flat.

Pretty much, could "walk among us."

https://liberationtimes.com/home/dis...-leads-to-rome

#ufotwitter #uaptwitter

https://x.com/planethunter56/status/1667326299944423424

there's our time travelers

[peace]

kinda fun to think they could be from somewhere silly like ... Delaware, just Delaware in the year 10,042.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=8v9-BWReQ6w

[peace]

i'd be remiss to not say discuss further ideas on this subject. though it also will involve an assumption or two, please bear in mind.

Lue. Elizondo. plus Randall. Carlson. plus. Jacques. Vallee.

Particularly Elizondo has made comments of feeling very somber around this subject. If we are on to something with the time travelers, we might be on to something else.

Elizondo suggests that UFOs are not just passive observers of human progress—they are actively managing or intervening at key moments to ensure we don’t spiral out of control.

We are not in control. - Vallee

Elizondo knows we’ve been watched, nudged, warned.

Our leaders made tacit agreements with an intelligence they didn’t fully understand.

A reset has happened before.

Ancient collapse myths. Civilizational resets. Time travel elements. - Carlson, among many others.

These may not be folklore. They may be protocol.

They may not allow us to proceed unchecked.

Our nukes, tech, and behavior are being graded, not just watched.

The Magenta beacon may’ve been a last chance alert to someone.

Time travel introduces causal responsibility.

If they’re future humans—or future versions of us—they're not just watchers.

The public isn’t prepared.

Disclosure isn’t just about “aliens exist.”

If they are already here and interacting with us in a big way I have some worries of where we may be in a reset cycle

[peace]

the real trick is getting a computer from just close enough in time that we can still read and possibly interface with to "see" what might be coming. biff giving Marty the sports book. only biff didn't give Marty anything.

we took it.

if I've thought of it in the last few years, I'm sure it's already been done:
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today's actual journaled thoughts:

A computer or database from the future could already be sitting somewhere on Earth.

As our tech improves, it becomes more readable — maybe now. Or more nuanced, future humans may send back a craft or computer from only 100 years into the future, one we may be able to manipulate.

Whoever gets it, if not carefully managed, could destroy the timeline through sheer greed or shortsightedness and could control it forever...

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when I think too much about time travel, I literally lose sleep. also, when I think about it too much the synchronicities in my life get ... uncomfortable. it USUALLY means I'm on to something. taking a break to keep it from you all, if you know what I mean. but I always coming crawling back.

[Open Minded Dude]

Aren't there any other explanations than time travel(lers)?
For me they could also seem like interdimensional travellers, leaving open if they are 'also' from another physical star system of this universe. To me the notion of "ETs/Aliens" is always depending on how you define it in the first place (wide or narrow).
Just saying - and yes I admit, I am not a 'fan' or believer of the time travel explanations at all. Too much of a typical sci-fi trope for me.

[peace]

Posted by Open Minded Dude (here)
Aren't there any other explanations than time travel(lers)?
For me they could also seem like interdimensional travellers, leaving open if they are 'also' from another physical star system of this universe. To me the notion of "ETs/Aliens" is always depending on how you define it in the first place (wide or narrow).
Just saying - and yes I admit, I am not a 'fan' or believer of the time travel explanations at all. Too much of a typical sci-fi trope for me.

100% i'm just stuck hard on this one! if it's only time travelers, i think that'd be weird, too!

[peace]

final one then break incoming:


at 19 i was convinced, pretty much certainly there is something else.

a check in occurred at 29.

not once in there was time travel a thought.

i think a sliver of the ufo file can be attributed to time travel. a really fascinating, dare i say INEVITABLE small, tiny piece of this thing.

if it's time travel i think it's also by nature interdimensional.
i really, really hope there is a sliver set aside for inter-planetary.
its also 100 things we've not thought up yet.

but time travel is in there - if there is anything going on at all. I'm still skeptical when our governance is involved. THESE ARE ALL STORIES TO ME.

what I bumped up against at 19 and 29?

NO idea. But time travel became a part of it somewhere along the line. it feels involved. that might fade.

midlifey now and no real experiences to speak of.

[peace]

If you can, do yourself a favor and enjoy this book. Just came out:

They Built the Earth:

In "Who Built the Moon?" and "Civilization One" (as well as "They Built the Earth"), Christopher Knight and Alan Butler propose that an advanced civilization—possibly from the future—designed key aspects of Earth, the Moon, and human civilization using the megalithic yard as a universal measuring standard. Their overarching thesis is that time travelers seeded or engineered elements of our reality, using precise mathematics and astronomy as fingerprints.

Fun to piece together this book with the work of Randall Carlson. I really think there is something here.

[peace]

bumping my own thread, because it's where i'll dump these thoughts instead of flooding the ufo forum with my BS.

time travel and Gaia:

if earth has what we'd call the great spirit, mother spirit, etc., i think you know what i mean and IF time travel happens/exists:

I don't think you're navigating only a space-time calendar.
I think you're also navigating a living being with moods, memory, and maybe even a sense of vengeance.

[Mark]

None of it is impossible. All of it is possible. And, possibly, quite possibly, all occurring, together, simultaneously. Angels, Demons, Djinns, the Sidhe, gods and goddesses, time travel, star travel, infinite dimensions, infinite universes.

I see the imagination as a portal. If we can imagine it, it exists, somewhere, somewhen, considering the initial conditions of each universe within the multiverse. There is a Disney universe. There is a Marvel universe. We just tap into these stories and bring them here, for amusement but, also, for edification.

There are no limits. No tropes.

All is possible, all is real. Somewhere, somewhen.

[peace]

SO: THE PYRAMID!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwK3XIxTvzU&t=6533s

allegedly, a 40 foot, metallic tic-tac shaped ... something MIGHT be under the great pyramid.

food for thought:
The Great Pyramid might be a vault built by a highly advanced earlier civilization, not a tomb. this is nothing new.

The tic-tac craft beneath it, if real, could be a buried time ship, energy device, or data capsule. OR a version of the sign post: LEAVE THIS PLACE ALONE - THEY ARE OURS. THIS IS OURS. It could be a tomb, nothing, or anything. I get that.

The Temple of Hathor shows strong hints of technological and space-faring themes — possibly recording a migration or escape.

The time travel loop? We’re already in it.

[peace]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=n4xngKLVCPQ

i'm not saying its a time travel device.


yes. yes, i am.