Dangers of Vaping

[onawah]

Vaping’s Hidden Dangers — More Harmful Than You Think
Analysis by Dr. Joseph Mercola
December 28, 2024
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/a...n-dangers.aspx

https://media.mercola.com/ImageServe...angers-pdf.pdf

"Story at-a-glance
Vaping damages blood vessel function, even in the absence of nicotine, by reducing blood flow velocity in the femoral artery and decreasing venous oxygen saturation, which suggests impaired lung oxygen intake
E-cigarettes contain harmful chemicals beyond nicotine, such as lead, nickel and formaldehyde, which cause oxidative stress and inflammation, triggering impaired vascular function and long-term vascular diseases
The misconception that vaping is a safer alternative to smoking is challenged by findings that both nicotine and non-nicotine vapes impair vascular function, with nicotine vapes causing more substantial reductions
EVALI, a severe respiratory condition linked to vaping, remains a significant health concern, with ongoing cases highlighting the need for improved regulatory measures and public health strategies
The presence of toxic chemicals in e-cigarette vapor causes acute lung injury and systemic effects on multiple organs, emphasizing the need for further research and regulatory oversight to understand and mitigate these health risks

E-cigarette or vaping product use-associated lung injury (EVALI) is a severe respiratory condition linked to the use of vaping products. It’s characterized by symptoms such as shortness of breath, cough, chest pain, and gastrointestinal issues like nausea and vomiting.

EVALI could escalate rapidly, leading to hospitalization or even death. This condition emerged prominently in 2019, raising significant concerns about the safety of vaping as an alternative to traditional cigarette smoking.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=fj8ITais-EI

EVALI Is Responsible for Thousands of Hospitalizations in the US
A comprehensive workshop report published in the Annals of the American Thoracic Society in September 2022 revealed alarming statistics about EVALI’s health effects.1 Over the course of the EVALI outbreak, more than 2,800 individuals were hospitalized, and 68 deaths were recorded across the U.S.

The report emphasized that while vitamin E acetate was initially identified as a primary culprit, approximately 20% of patients had exclusively used nicotine-containing e-cigarettes, indicating that other harmful substances also contribute to lung injuries.

The persistence of EVALI cases, even after the initial outbreak subsided, underscores the ongoing risks associated with vaping.2 Additional reports from various researchers suggest that EVALI is not merely a relic of the past but an enduring threat to vape users.

EVALI also poses long-term consequences for both vapers and the healthcare system. Patients who recover from EVALI experience lasting respiratory issues, and the healthcare infrastructure faces the burden of treating these severe cases.

Moreover, the misconception that vaping is a safer alternative prevents smokers from effectively quitting smoking, leading to sustained nicotine addiction and its associated health risks. Addressing EVALI is crucial not only for preventing acute lung injuries but also for safeguarding overall public health.

The Focus on Vaping’s Health Implications
E-cigarettes contain a variety of harmful chemicals, including vitamin E acetate, which has been identified as a significant contributor to lung injuries. Additionally, the presence of toxic metals and other substances in vaping aerosols causes cytotoxicity and inflammation.

Simply put, the harmful substances in e-cigarettes irritate and inflame the lungs, leading to EVALI. When inhaled, these chemicals damage lung tissue, impair oxygen exchange and trigger an inflammatory response. This inflammation spills over into the bloodstream, affecting other organs and causing long-term health issues.

Diagnosing EVALI could be challenging due to its symptoms overlapping with other respiratory conditions. Clinical assessments often rely on patient history and imaging studies, but these methods do not fully capture the extent of the damage caused by vaping. The lack of specific biomarkers for EVALI further complicates diagnosis, leading to misdiagnoses or delayed treatment.

Conventional treatments for EVALI often involve supportive care, such as oxygen therapy and corticosteroids, but these have their own drawbacks, including side effects like increased blood sugar levels and weakened immune response. Understanding the limitations of these treatments is important for anyone who thinks vaping is a safer alternative to smoking.

New Study Reveals the Damaging Effects of Vaping on Vascular Function
A CNN Health article reported on a study that explored the immediate effects of vaping on vascular health and oxygen levels in the body.3 The research, which has not yet been published in a peer-reviewed journal but has been presented at the Radiological Society of North America’s annual meeting, aimed to determine how using e-cigarettes, with or without nicotine, affects blood vessel function and lung oxygen intake.

The study included 31 individuals between 21 and 49 years old who smoked or vaped, and compared their results with 10 nonsmokers.4 Participants underwent MRI scans before and after vaping or smoking tobacco cigarettes to evaluate changes in their vascular and respiratory systems.

The findings indicated that vaping significantly reduces blood flow velocity in the femoral artery, which is vital for supplying oxygenated blood to the lower body. Additionally, oxygen saturation levels among the vapers dropped, indicating that their lungs were likely taking in less oxygen.5

One of the notable findings in the study was that vaping with nicotine resulted in the most significant reduction in vascular function, even more than traditional smoking. This challenges the common perception that e-cigarettes are a safer alternative to cigarettes. Furthermore, vaping without nicotine also negatively impacted blood vessel function, though to a slightly lesser extent.6

In a CNN Health article, Dr. Marianne Nabbout, lead author of the study and a radiology resident at the University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences in Little Rock, said:

"People mistakenly believe that electronic cigarettes are safer alternatives to tobacco-based cigarettes, but this is actually not true. Even if there was no nicotine in the e-cigarette, there could be other components that may be harmful. That is possibly why we saw these significant effects, even following non-nicotinized electronic cigarette vaping."7

The study emphasized that good vascular function is crucial for maintaining efficient blood flow, delivering oxygen and nutrients, and removing waste from the body. When your blood vessels cannot expand and contract properly, it puts you at risk of serious health issues such as blood clots, high blood pressure and stroke.8

Another significant aspect of the research was the reduction in oxygen saturation following vaping. Lower oxygen levels in the blood mean that the body’s organs and tissues do not receive the necessary oxygen to function optimally. Over time, this contributes to the development of vascular diseases, posing long-term health risks for regular vapers.9

The mechanisms behind these effects involve the inhalation of various chemicals present in e-cigarette vapor. When users vape, they are not just inhaling water vapor; the vapor contains harmful substances like lead, nickel, formaldehyde, propylene glycol and glycerin. These chemicals cause oxidative stress and inflammation in the blood vessels, leading to impaired endothelial function — the ability of blood vessels to dilate and constrict as needed.10

Additionally, the study found that even nicotine-free e-cigarettes are harmful due to the presence of other toxic components. This underscores the misconception that e-cigarettes without nicotine are harmless. The combination of these chemicals disrupts the normal functioning of the vascular system, making e-cigarette users more susceptible to cardiovascular diseases.11

Experts involved in the study emphasized the need for more research to confirm these findings and to understand the long-term implications of vaping. However, the immediate negative effects on vascular function and oxygen saturation provide compelling evidence against the notion that vaping is a safe alternative to smoking.

Dr. Albert Rizzo, chief medical officer of the American Lung Association, commented on the study, stating that vaping exposes users to more than just harmless water vapor:

"We don’t know a whole lot about the effects of the ingredients of e-cigarettes with regard to effects on our lungs, effects on our blood vessels, and even though there [are] supposedly less toxins than a regular cigarette, we don’t know the long-term effects of these modalities are. Tests like these keep showing there are short-term effects," he said.12

The Link Between Vaping and Lung Inflammation
A recent review published in the Annual Review of Physiology journal explored the harmful effects of e-cigarettes on lung health, particularly focusing on inflammation and acute injuries related to vaping.13 The research aimed to understand how vaping contributes to lung diseases and the underlying mechanisms that cause these health issues.

The study examined various groups, including young adults and nonsmokers who have started using e-cigarettes, and found that e-cigarette use is linked to significant lung inflammation and injuries, and has led to a rise in cases of EVALI.14

One of the key findings was that the chemicals in e-cigarette vapor, such as nicotine, causes cytotoxicity, which means they are toxic to cells in the lungs. This cytotoxicity causes inflammation, where the lung tissues become swollen and irritated. The study highlighted that this inflammation is not just a short-term issue but could cause chronic lung diseases over time.15

The research also delved into the role of neutrophils, a type of white blood cell, in the inflammation process. Neutrophils are meant to protect the lungs by moving to areas of harm and fighting infections. However, the chemicals in e-cigarettes disrupt their normal function, causing them to overreact and contribute to excessive inflammation. This overreaction damages the delicate structures in the lungs, making them more vulnerable to diseases.16

Furthermore, the study found that repeated exposure to e-cigarette chemicals affects multiple organs in the body, not just the lungs. This is because the harmful substances in the vapor enter the bloodstream through the lungs, reaching other parts of the body and causing widespread inflammation and damage.17

The mechanisms behind these harmful effects involve the rapid delivery of toxic chemicals into the bloodstream through the lungs. When users inhale e-cigarette vapor, they are not only taking in nicotine but also a cocktail of other harmful substances like heavy metals and toxicants. These substances cause oxidative stress, leading to cell and tissue damage.18

"Suppression of antimicrobial functions of both macrophages and neutrophils by e-cigarette aerosols in vitro and ex vivo supports the concept that e-cigarette use damages host defenses and will lead to increased susceptibility to pulmonary infections," the researchers said.19

Additionally, the study pointed out that the variety of chemicals in e-cigarette aerosols makes it difficult to pinpoint a single cause of lung damage. Instead, it is the combination of multiple toxic substances that triggers various health issues.20 This complexity underscores the need for comprehensive regulations to control the ingredients used in e-cigarette liquids and to protect public health.

These Strategies Will Help You Quit Smoking and/or Vaping
Addressing the damaging effects of vaping requires a comprehensive approach focused on restoring your overall health and strengthening your body from within. By taking these proactive steps to enhance your well-being, you’ll create a solid foundation that makes quitting smoking more achievable and less stressful:

•Get healthy before trying to quit smoking or vaping — Prioritize improving your overall health to increase your chances of successfully quitting these unhealthy habits. This involves optimizing your diet and ensuring your body is in the best possible condition to handle the challenges of quitting. When your body is healthy, it will better cope with the withdrawal symptoms and stresses associated with giving up nicotine.

•Optimize your diet with a focus on cellular energy production — Tailor your diet to support cellular energy production, which is crucial for your body’s repair and functioning. Incorporate foods that enhance mitochondrial health, such as those rich in antioxidants and essential nutrients. A well-balanced diet will provide the necessary fuel for your cells, promoting better vascular health and reducing the immediate impacts caused by vaping.

•Exercise regularly — Engage in regular physical activity to boost your cardiovascular health and increase your energy levels. Exercise helps improve blood flow, strengthens blood vessels and enhances oxygen delivery throughout your body. As you become more physically fit, your body will be better equipped to recover from the vascular stress caused by vaping, making the process of quitting smoking smoother.

•Build energy and reduce stress to facilitate quitting — As you adopt a healthier lifestyle through diet and exercise, you’ll naturally experience increased energy and reduced stress levels. This improvement in your overall well-being will make the decision to quit smoking less daunting and more manageable. With higher energy levels and lower stress, you’ll find it easier to resist cravings and maintain your commitment to a smoke-free life.

•Find a healthy emotional outlet — Many use exercise, meditation or relaxation techniques for this, and these are all great. I also recommend incorporating Emotional Freedom Techniques (EFT). This helps clear out emotional blockages from your system (some of which you might not even realize are there), thus restoring your mind and body's balance and helping you break the addiction and avoid cravings."

- Sources and References
1, 2 Annals of the American Thoracic Society, Jan 2023;20(1):1-17
3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 CNN Health, November 28, 2024
13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20 Annu Rev Physiol. 2021 Nov 1;84:611–629

[haroldsails]

Tobacco is like an old lover who keeps calling you, testing your willpower to abstain.
It is just plain amazing how tobacco owns you - people who never smoked might not understand this, but quitting smoking is one of the hardest things a person will ever do. The addiction to nicotine is so freaking heavy (worse than alcohol IMO).
I had a tobacco habit that lasted decades, and I am grateful to have quit before vaping came along. Had vape cigarettes been around when I was struggling to quit, I'm certain I'd have just made the switch to vaping.
Incidentally, I must have "quit" several thousands of times over decades, and failed. The addiction does more than damage your lungs.

[Listkov]

people say that vaping tobacco is healthier than smoking it.
i doubt they've studied whether vaping heavy metals and the stuff they use to taxidermy fish is healthier than smoking it

people who aren't old enough to legally buy vapes, when you buy anything from a street dealer, most of it wouldn't pass the cartel's quality control

[onawah]

Quitting tobacco is difficult, but I was able to do it at age 30 after about 15 years of being a smoker, by really cleaning up my diet and drinking a lot of freshly made fruit and vegie juice, taking supplements, etc.
The cleaner my body got, the grosser smoking felt until finally I couldn't stand it anymore and had a psychological "SNAP" moment which gave me the momentum to quit.
(I also was listening to some self-hypnosis tapes directed specifically at quitting cigarettes which I think helped too.)
The vapor from vaping is also toxic second hand.
I was working in an office for a while next to someone who was vaping at her desk and it was giving me some bad headaches.
It should not be allowed in public anymore than smoking should.

[Mike Gorman]

Yes alright all of these things carry risks, breathing today's atmosphere in cities contains all kinds of particles, heavy metals and so forth. Setting out on a walk around your neighbourhood carries risk - it seems people are hyper sensitive to taking any kind of risk these days, they don't seem to understand that their lives have a 'use-by' date, that our graves are all empty of any kind of attainment or wealth: smoke your cigarette/tobacco if it gives you pleasure, that extra 10 years sitting around an old folks home-staring into oblivion won't get you any further along, 100 year old bored, healthy folks empty of all aspiration, absent of any sense of adventure or pleasure: I dislike this media-driven emphasis on ultra health, purity and puritanical techno-life! I smoke Dutch strong tobacco, it is that brand which forms the 'dark' part of Drum's bright & dark - I like smoking my 5-10 ciggies per day and it gives me something in return, live out your healthy extra 10-15 years in the old folks home if you like, at 67 I don't particularly care, all of life carries risks.

[onawah]

It was never about not wanting to take risks for me, it was about not wanting to be addicted to anything so toxic, not having better control over myself, and about spending money on a habit that was not only very unhealthy but made me smell bad, be short of breath, filled my lungs with disgusting phlegm, made me more susceptible to colds and flu, and made me feel stupid for ever allowing myself to have succumbed to the need to feel "cool" when I started smoking at age 15.
And knowing what an amazing thing the human body is, the "temple" of the human spirit, I felt ashamed of myself for polluting mine.
Especially when I finally understood that what I was polluting my lungs with was not just tobacco, but a number of very toxic chemicals as well, and how I and millions of other people had been deceived into thinking it was a relatively harmless habit.
And I was amazed at how much better I felt once I quit and had detoxified enough to know and feel what a great thing I had finally done for my body, and for my self esteem.

Posted by Mike Gorman (here)
Yes alright all of these things carry risks, breathing today's atmosphere in cities contains all kinds of particles, heavy metals and so forth. Setting out on a walk around your neighbourhood carries risk - it seems people are hyper sensitive to taking any kind of risk these days, they don't seem to understand that their lives have a 'use-by' date, that our graves are all empty of any kind of attainment or wealth: smoke your cigarette/tobacco if it gives you pleasure, that extra 10 years sitting around an old folks home-staring into oblivion won't get you any further along, 100 year old bored, healthy folks empty of all aspiration, absent of any sense of adventure or pleasure: I dislike this media-driven emphasis on ultra health, purity and puritanical techno-life! I smoke Dutch strong tobacco, it is that brand which forms the 'dark' part of Drum's bright & dark - I like smoking my 5-10 ciggies per day and it gives me something in return, live out your healthy extra 10-15 years in the old folks home if you like, at 67 I don't particularly care, all of life carries risks.

[Kalamos]

I don't know. I've been vaping pretty heavily for ten years and I'm fine. I never heard of EVALI until now. Pretty scary article there though. I think I'll go ahead and try and quit it, again. Wish me luck.

EDIT:

I did a 'little bit' of searching and found that EVALI linked to regular nicotine vapes has been debunked.

"THE SERIOUS LUNG CONDITION known as EVALI is not caused by vaping nicotine as falsely claimed by vaping opponents, according to a new study published today in Drug and Alcohol Review.

EVALI (E-cigarette, or Vaping, product use-Associated Lung Injury) causes breathing difficulty, shortness of breath and chest pain. In the US outbreak, it led to 2,807 hospitalisations and 68 deaths by February 2020.

It soon became clear that EVALI was caused by vaping black market THC (cannabis) oils contaminated with vitamin E acetate (VEA)."

More at: https://colinmendelsohn.com.au/evali-2/

[onawah]

There are conflicting reports, so it looks like further investigation may be necessary, and wise to keep in mind how many times medical "authorities" have been bought off and lied for profit.
( As for me, I wasn't imagining those headaches I was getting from second hand vaping--but it may depend on the particular product being used. )
Then there are the reports from Dr. Bryan Ardis saying that it's not nicotine that is addictive, but the chemicals that were intentionally added to cigarettes to make them addictive, to profit the cigarette producers.
Here's a 2023 report from the Mayo Clinic that supports the premise that vaping is harmful:
Speaking of Health
A doctor's warning about the dangers of vaping
November 15, 2023
https://www.mayoclinichealthsystem.o...gers-of-vaping

"Vaping is the term often used to describe the use of an electronic nicotine delivery system, or ENDS, including electronic cigarettes, or e-cigarettes, vape pens or vaporizers. These battery-operated devices heat a liquid solution — usually, but not always, containing nicotine — to turn it into a vapor that can be inhaled. If the base nicotine mixture isn't palatable, flavors like mint, apple and cotton candy, can be added that make vaping attractive, especially to adolescents. E-cigarettes can resemble a pen or USB flash drive, and may be disposable after one use or have rechargeable systems.

Unfortunately, today's teens, and even tweens, know more about vaping than their parents. First publicized as a safer alternative to smoking tobacco, vaping caught on because it didn't contain the carcinogens or tars found in most smoking tobacco products. Also, vaping was supposed to eliminate the dangers of secondhand smoke to those nearby.

It all sounded pretty harmless in theory. However, those theories were wrong.

Here are the dangers associated with vaping:
No matter the delivery method, nicotine is addictive.
Studies have shown that it may be harder to quit a nicotine addiction than a heroin addiction. Most discussions about helping teens stop vaping fail to address that they already may be addicted. In many cases, teens at this phase may a need replacement option or medications, such as bupropion, to help curb the nicotine cravings that can be overwhelming.

If you've ever tried to quit smoking or had friends or family members try to quit, you know how difficult it can be. That's why, in certain situations, e-cigarettes still are considered an option to help someone who has smoked tobacco for years to become a nonsmoker.

The flavors and stabilizers in e-cigarettes can cause unknown inflammation to delicate lung tissue.
All one has to do is turn on the national news to hear about more and more teens who suffered severe — sometimes irreversible — damage to the lungs, and in extreme cases have died as a result of vaping. Adolescents often believe that bad things happen to everyone else, but the risks associated with vaping are real.

Many teens are taking vaping a step further, adding cannabis, CBD oils and other dangerous additives. When patients go to the emergency department in respiratory distress from vaping, it's challenging for healthcare professionals to treat them due to the difficulty in correctly identifying what they inhaled, especially when they are intubated or unconscious.

The length of time spent vaping can be much longer than smoking a standard cigarette.
Did you know that it takes two to five minutes to smoke most cigarettes? On the other hand, e-cigarettes can last up to 20 minutes, delivering more nicotine and damaging chemicals to the lungs. In addition, some vaping mixtures can contain 20 times the nicotine in a single cigarette.

Brain development can be affected.
Nicotine can affect concentration, learning, memory and brain development, according to information and data from a new report from the surgeon general. Also, nicotine use in young adults can still lead to other illicit substance use.

People under 21 can't buy tobacco products, including vape products, under federal law.

Talk about the dangers of vaping
Talk with your kids about the dangers of vaping, but also look for warning signs including:
Changes in emotions or new behaviors like secrecy
Dry cough or wheezing
Scents of fruity odors on skin, breath and clothes
Strange cylinders, chargers or batteries lying around
Trouble sleeping
Remember, it's essential to have conversations rather than suspicions and accusations. Encourage your teen to look into the warnings and media stories related to vaping or contact their healthcare team with questions.

Many healthcare professionals ask their patients about alcohol, drug use and smoking, yet forget to ask about vaping. Project for Teens is an example of a local outreach program that provides support and education on the dangers of vaping. Similar programs may be available in your area. Find resources to help teens quit through the American Lung Association and teen.smokefree.gov.

It's up to everyone to work together as a community to stop the young population from starting or continuing to use vaping products.

In this video, pulmonologist Adel Zurob, M.D., explains the risks of vaping, smoking and using chewing tobacco, and how the products harm your health:"

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=9pU3Ls2h2M8

[Kalamos]

Disposable E-Cigarettes More Toxic Than Traditional Cigarettes
High Levels of Lead, Other Hazardous Metals Found in E-Cigarettes Popular with Teens

https://www.ucdavis.edu/news/disposa...nal-cigarettes

I think it's time I quit this crap.

[onawah]

Good decision!

Posted by Kalamos (here)
Disposable E-Cigarettes More Toxic Than Traditional Cigarettes
High Levels of Lead, Other Hazardous Metals Found in E-Cigarettes Popular with Teens

https://www.ucdavis.edu/news/disposa...nal-cigarettes

I think it's time I quit this crap.

[rgray222]

Posted by Mike Gorman (here)
Yes alright all of these things carry risks, breathing today's atmosphere in cities contains all kinds of particles, heavy metals and so forth. Setting out on a walk around your neighbourhood carries risk - it seems people are hyper sensitive to taking any kind of risk these days, they don't seem to understand that their lives have a 'use-by' date, that our graves are all empty of any kind of attainment or wealth: smoke your cigarette/tobacco if it gives you pleasure, that extra 10 years sitting around an old folks home-staring into oblivion won't get you any further along, 100 year old bored, healthy folks empty of all aspiration, absent of any sense of adventure or pleasure: I dislike this media-driven emphasis on ultra health, purity and puritanical techno-life! I smoke Dutch strong tobacco, it is that brand which forms the 'dark' part of Drum's bright & dark - I like smoking my 5-10 ciggies per day and it gives me something in return, live out your healthy extra 10-15 years in the old folks home if you like, at 67 I don't particularly care, all of life carries risks.

Bravo, what a courageous reply. Even as a non-smoker, it seems to me that the corporate media would like us to do away with tobacco, red meat, caffeine, sugar, etc, which I believe in moderation are just fine. Also, common sense dictates that it should not bother or harm people nearby. Adding to your longevity by being warehoused in a nursing home is wrong on so many levels that it could be a topic for another thread.

[Mari]

Posted by rgray222 (here)

Posted by Mike Gorman (here)
Yes alright all of these things carry risks, breathing today's atmosphere in cities contains all kinds of particles, heavy metals and so forth. Setting out on a walk around your neighbourhood carries risk - it seems people are hyper sensitive to taking any kind of risk these days, they don't seem to understand that their lives have a 'use-by' date, that our graves are all empty of any kind of attainment or wealth: smoke your cigarette/tobacco if it gives you pleasure, that extra 10 years sitting around an old folks home-staring into oblivion won't get you any further along, 100 year old bored, healthy folks empty of all aspiration, absent of any sense of adventure or pleasure: I dislike this media-driven emphasis on ultra health, purity and puritanical techno-life! I smoke Dutch strong tobacco, it is that brand which forms the 'dark' part of Drum's bright & dark - I like smoking my 5-10 ciggies per day and it gives me something in return, live out your healthy extra 10-15 years in the old folks home if you like, at 67 I don't particularly care, all of life carries risks.

Bravo, what a courageous reply. Even as a non-smoker, it seems to me that the corporate media would like us to do away with tobacco, red meat, caffeine, sugar, etc, which I believe in moderation are just fine. Also, common sense dictates that it should not bother or harm people nearby. Adding to your longevity by being warehoused in a nursing home is wrong on so many levels that it could be a topic for another thread.

Two good posts and I agree with both. As an ex-smoker of 25 years now, I still miss the 'hit' that tobacco gave me and the social interaction of fellow smokers (what I believed to be really interesting and eccentric people - I was part of that club, haha) I too, am extremely irritated by the 'health police' which loves to denigrate the things that we love to do/consume. I've no intention of withering away in a nursing home - most definitely NOT in the UK...so called 'healthy' but completely doped up with meds - the chemical cosh that they give old un's to keep them quiet.

I agree about taking 'risks'. We are not here to live perfect 'clean' lives, but to experience life in all its diversity, so if that means I imbibe a little more wine that's good for me on occasion, then the relaxation, socialising, creativity and enjoyment I derive from it far outweighs, in my opinion, any 'risks' to my system.

[Sue (Ayt)]

And by coincidence, this medical article pops up today.

Vaping Better for Quitting Cigarettes Than Nicotine Replacement in Tough Population
— Randomized trial shows nearly triple the successful quit attempts in adults

MedPage Today
July 14, 2025 • 3 min read
https://www.medpagetoday.com/pulmonology/smoking/116500

[George]

I tried vaping and felt it was making me sick. Went back to regular tobacco. I think additive free tobacco is best. If a government that is trying to poison us in every way possible wants to protect us from the dangers of smoking - I take it with more than a grain of salt. So far the best advice was always to do the exact opposite..!

Of course there are risks. If you smoke, you die. If you don't - you also die... :-)

I wonder how many of us here are smokers?

[Vicus]

Just some comments...

As someone that has made sports all my life,today inclusive...because I needed, is just my character...and maybe this "lifestyle" allows that i can eat, smoke and drink everything I please...in moderate forms ...the only supplement took all my life is magnesium,after sports..

That is. ( everybody can just swim, is enough...2 or 3 times in the week...just 20 minutes, fun and relax, and give your body tone...)

I know that this forum is full with life veterans...but sometimes ...there are too many post about life styles like coming from an old folks resident...

Alcohol? well the Sumerians were the first to produce beer... but we are still here.

Tobacco? all studies from mummies from the Americas ( from where come the Tobacco plants ) until today isn't found 1 mummies die because cancer...

Wine? Greeks and Romans knew better...

Dont eat this or that...the Mediterranean diet,, considered the best in the world (other say the Japan/China ,) people living in those country's eat EVERYTHING that moves and everything that grow from dirt...

Conclusion: what make people ill ,fat,and bring in grave is just "industrial food and all the additives ..."