David Icke at 70 - The Vindication

[Mike]

Posted by Moemers (here)

Posted by Mike (here)
I love David Icke, but every time I listen to him these days he's always ranting against Trump, Elon, Joe Rogan, and Jordan Peterson. It's like the cavalry has finally arrived and he hates them all! I don't get it!

Sure, they're not as big picture as David, but you have to take the wins where you can get 'em! I think when history is written (if it's written accurately) all these guys will go down as being among a very small group of people that saved western civilization.

the crux of your argument - that the calvary who will save us is here! - is exactly what Icke has been arguing against for basically his entire career. There is no calvary - we are the people to save us. He says this ad nauseum over and over again.

he is 100% right about everyone you mentioned. Q Anon has done some drastic head trauma to the conspiracy world. If you think Trump et al is going to save Western Civilization and you just get to sit back and post here I got bad news for you.

If you were in a fight against 5 other guys, and 4 other guys showed up to assist you, would you send them home? Would you announce that the cavalry isn't necessary? That you're perfectly capable of being your own savior?

It's true that everyone is responsible for their own spiritual awakening - and that's what Icke's statement is all about - but it's not an excuse to be impractical or unreasonable in the real world.

There's a war on this planet between a clearly anti-humanity cabal and a pro-humanity coalition, and at the moment anyway David Icke seems unable to separate the good guys from the bad guys. He's always bitching about the guys on his own team, and I don't know why.

Your post is filled with generalities, errors, and assumptions. I never mentioned QAnon. Till this day I'm not even clear on what it is. Not sure why you mentioned that.

What exactly is David Icke 100% right about? Please be specific.

No, I'm not going to sit back and post and hope for the best, but I'm also not deluded enough to imagine anything I do will equal the value of restoring free speech to western civilization.. which is what Elon did with his purchase of Twitter, and what Trump, Rogan, and Peterson are all doing in their own ways.

I don't think Icke is gonna be happy until these guys go to Peru and take peyote and talk to a disembodied voice that instructs them to travel the world talking about spiritual control structures and other dimensions and corrupted bloodlines and evil reptilians etc (actually they are talking about that stuff a little). He's correct to say the ultimate answers aren't found in politics and bureaucracy, but realistically you have to work within the current milieu and - like I said - take the wins where you can get 'em.

Trump will save the country just by shutting down the southern border. If he did nothing else during his 4 years in office, he'd still be a hero. Musk buying Twitter rescued free speech from the jaws of the authoritarians. Rogan has rescued the "news" from the MSM; he almost singlehandedly took their power away and handed it back to the common man. Peterson rescued masculinity from the jaws of the woke. So yes, these great men saved western civilization. The very first thing everyone should do when they wake up in the morning is thank God for these guys and their courageous contributions to humanity.

But there is a certain type of person (precisely the type of person Peterson warns us about, i.e.bitter/resentful) that will find some reason to bitch and moan about our greatest heroes. You sound like one such person, and Icke increasingly is becoming one.

[Moemers]

let's see if you're right. so far it aint looking good.

[jaybee]

Posted by Mike (here)
If you were in a fight against 5 other guys, and 4 other guys showed up to assist you, would you send them home? Would you announce that the cavalry isn't necessary? That you're perfectly capable of being your own savior?

It's true that everyone is responsible for their own spiritual awakening - and that's what Icke's statement is all about - but it's not an excuse to be impractical or unreasonable in the real world.

There's a war on this planet between a clearly anti-humanity cabal and a pro-humanity coalition, and at the moment anyway David Icke seems unable to separate the good guys from the bad guys. He's always bitching about the guys on his own team, and I don't know why.

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I agree with what your saying, Mike - and I don't know why either - because the criticism he throws out can create distrust and confusion that seems obviously counter productive to me when you consider the desperate state of affairs that the 'West' is in...especially regarding free speech and freedom in general...

There are a number of reasons why David could be doing this.... but I won't speculate on them because I don't want to add to that particular area of potential negativity -

David Icke is a great researcher, philosopher, author and thinker (and greatly valued)..... but politician he is not - the skills needed to exist / succeed in the political arena are different to the skills needed where David works - it's hard now to picture where we would all be if Elon Musk hadn't taken control of Twitter....if Trump had died in the assassination attempt(s) - - -

We don't want our team's Alpha Males (and Dominant Females) squabbling and fighting each other .... that's not going to help ....

A healthy mix of idealism and realism is what we need - and mutual appreciation - - - - IMO

[ExomatrixTV]

I am with Mike on this one ...

[Moemers]

ah yes, the classic david icke advice - "pick sides"

[onawah]

I think Icke has simply crystalized, more or less, into his present mindset and it's too much of a comfortable fit for him to change.

Posted by Mike (here)
He's always bitching about the guys on his own team, and I don't know why.{snipped}

I certainly agree with this:

Posted by jaybee (here)
We don't want our team's Alpha Males (and Dominant Females) squabbling and fighting each other .... that's not going to help ....
A healthy mix of idealism and realism is what we need - and mutual appreciation - - - - IMO

...But there is still too much misunderstanding and division on "the team" so that when someone is voicing an idealistic state of mind, the realists jump to conclusions, believing that the idealist is misled and naive.
While anyone who takes the realistic perspective is accused of being "black pilled" and hopelessly cynical.
This time of "All Against All" which many prophets have predicted, seems to have arrived.
It still feels strange and likely will for some time yet, and it will take some effort on the part of each individual to find the new footing that truly represents where he or she stands.
That will require patience and a modicum of detachment to keep the transition functional rather than destructive.

[Delight]

Posted by onawah (here)
I think Icke has simply crystalized, more or less, into his present mindset and it's too much of a comfortable fit for him to change.

Posted by Mike (here)
He's always bitching about the guys on his own team, and I don't know why.{snipped}

I certainly agree with this:

Posted by jaybee (here)
We don't want our team's Alpha Males (and Dominant Females) squabbling and fighting each other .... that's not going to help ....
A healthy mix of idealism and realism is what we need - and mutual appreciation - - - - IMO

...But there is still too much misunderstanding and division on "the team" so that when someone is voicing an idealistic state of mind, the realists jump to conclusions, believing that the idealist is misled and naive.
While anyone who takes the realistic perspective is accused of being "black pilled" and hopelessly cynical.
This time of "All Against All" which many prophets have predicted, seems to have arrived.
It still feels strange and likely will for some time yet, and it will take some effort on the part of each individual to find the new footing that truly represents where he or she stands.
That will require patience and a modicum of detachment to keep the transition functional rather than destructive.

I have always appreciated David Icke. I hear his critique. I too have thoughts about Musk the showman who has only ever fronted his masters projects. Yet, where would we be without twitter relaxing a hold on perspectives? It is not free speech only that counts. Twitter practices restrictive "reach". But for those who find information, a trail is available to uncover other information. Is it not interesting that Icke is PROBABLY one of the "most canceled" persons on the planet.

We each have to be ACTIVE about seeking. Alex Jones says that. I like Alex Jones.

What I CHOOSE is to see evidence of the only avenue making sense to me: People REALIZE new information that will support "team humanity". I know what i mean by that. Perhaps it is being tested: each of us one by one. What dio I stand FOR. Have I integrity to hold my ground where I know truth is AT THIS TIME. One must be open to being mistaken and STILL stand for what one VALUES or cahnge the mind. That IMO is our freedom.

I see David Icke spending a LOT of mental energy being AGAINST. Is this HIS spiritual journey he projects for us to see. After all, he talks about the "truth frequency". He DOES always seem to be pointing to emphasize the need to move into a frequency of love, even as he seems to be withholding love. But he is showing a tough love... decrying that people will follow the leader we are GIVEN, and NOT their own INNER knowing of truth..

What you mention about how the spectrum is translated from black pill (delusionally pessimistic) to "delusionally optimistic". To me the place we have power is by being paradoxically engaged. Constantly "test" what one thinks and feels.

Beyond this IS a place where one can dwell in a place which is beyond understanding with the mind. There one KNOWS that Love wins. It makes a person feel gentle towards the world.

David Icke is hard...rheumatoid arthritis is a sign?

I had not connected "all against all" with what I have also seen in people turning against others who share a common goal like health freedom and "team Humanity" etc. Your post really hits my heart.

[gini]

David is questioning the real agenda of the people we want to trust,taking the role as devils advocate , detecting any weakness and hypocricy and always suspecting & expecting the worse .


Thats how he ,-as one of the very first in the time before Internet-- redpilled so many people when he as a tv celebrity stepped into the spotlight and basically revealed the idea of conspiracies ,bloodlines & aliens to the mainstream public.

Thats how i see him ; not to necessarily agree with him but that he has to make people always doubt their own believe system, and that he shows & convinces them that they've been fooled and then keeps reminding them to never just believe all the promises but to stay always vigilant & suspicious to not fall asleep.

I think he just exaggerates things for the sake of shake up & wake up .

[Bruce G Charlton]

Although I regard David Icke's ultimate spiritual convictions as incoherent (I am a convinced Christian, albeit of a minority-of-one type) - I am sure Icke is a man of good heart and integrity, and that he is right and correct in his analysis of mainstream personalities and institutions.

People who oppose the motivations and direction of the global totalitarian system are so desperate that they will grasp at any straws of dissent among the ruling class and their minions - even when these are fake straws, that have been manufactured and maintained by the globalist totalitarians for exactly that purpose.

David Icke is not fooled by this kind of crude (yet dismayingly effective) management of dissent - and he realizes that this is merely an attempt at subversion, takeover, and redirection of genuine dissent.

It has happened many times, and continues to happen - but too many people are (as I said) desperate, and do not want to learn unwelcome lessons. They prefer fake optimism to a realism that leads them to despair.

This is where a strong and solid spiritual foundation is absolutely necessary; because only if people are rooted outside of this mortal world, can they tolerate realistic pessimism. Hope must be located beyond death, if people are not to become manipulated by fear.

It is because David Icke has genuine, strong and solid spiritual convictions; that he can be tough-minded about the realities of this world.

[RunningDeer]

David Icke Now Banned From Making Video Calls?!

Jean Nolan: A band was extended again and I quote, “… because he (David Icke) has not changed his views.”

No, he wasn't charged for the crime, convicted of a crime. They simply don't want him to speak in the Netherlands because they hate truth apparently.

In a stunning turn of events, the mayor of Amsterdam has now announced that David is also not allowed to appear on the screen via a link or a Zoom call. Which he was planning to do at a peace rally in Amsterdam. So the mayor proposes that she can ban him from appearing on the screen by video call.

Now, dear friends in the Netherlands and Amsterdam, I think you know what to do. Let's make this go viral and let's put on every freaking screen in the Netherlands and beyond.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=NAVaI_TWQdk

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[Mari]

Posted by RunningDeer (here)

David Icke Now Banned From Making Video Calls?!

Jean Nolan: A band was extended again and I quote, “… because he (David Icke) has not changed his views.”

No, he wasn't charged for the crime, convicted of a crime. They simply don't want him to speak in the Netherlands because they hate truth apparently.

In a stunning turn of events, the mayor of Amsterdam has now announced that David is also not allowed to appear on the screen via a link or a Zoom call. Which he was planning to do at a peace rally in Amsterdam. So the mayor proposes that she can ban him from appearing on the screen by video call.

Now, dear friends in the Netherlands and Amsterdam, I think you know what to do. Let's make this go viral and let's put on every freaking screen in the Netherlands and beyond.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=NAVaI_TWQdk

Well. It just goes to show how terrified they are of the Truth. Take heart!

[muxfolder]

Posted by RunningDeer (here)

David Icke Now Banned From Making Video Calls?!

Jean Nolan: A band was extended again and I quote, “… because he (David Icke) has not changed his views.”

No, he wasn't charged for the crime, convicted of a crime. They simply don't want him to speak in the Netherlands because they hate truth apparently.

In a stunning turn of events, the mayor of Amsterdam has now announced that David is also not allowed to appear on the screen via a link or a Zoom call. Which he was planning to do at a peace rally in Amsterdam. So the mayor proposes that she can ban him from appearing on the screen by video call.

Now, dear friends in the Netherlands and Amsterdam, I think you know what to do. Let's make this go viral and let's put on every freaking screen in the Netherlands and beyond.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=NAVaI_TWQdk

How about audio only conversation, meaning he's not appearing on the screen?

[ExomatrixTV]

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