The "Right-Left" dichotomy: false, simplistic, & manipulative.

[Bruce G Charlton]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
I posted earlier that the so-called "Right-Left spectrum" is really a circle. "Extreme Right" (Fascism) and "Extreme Left" (Communism) are actually the same thing.



Is present-day China Fascist or Communist? Answer: It's both. There we see it. And there are plenty more examples in history.

But the following is what irks me. Drilling down into all the rhetoric, we can distill out all these variable viewpoints. They do NOT all correlate neatly.

And they pertain to every country. This isn't just about the US.

1. Personal and corporate tax policy.
2. Federal/national financial policy. (not the same thing)
3. Foreign policy.
4. Disarmament.
5. Immigration.
6. Refugees.
7. Environmental issues.
8. Education.
9. Transgenderism and LGBT issues.
10. Policing and law and order.
11. Recreational drugs.
12. Personal surveillance and privacy.
13. Censorship and freedom of speech.
14. Gun control.
15. Abortion.
16. Governmental control of personal health and well-being.
17. Racism (whatever that means!).
18. Religion.
19. Regional independence.

If we look at all the different possible permutations of viewpoints there, even approximating crudely, there are 2¹⁹ combinations. That's over 520,000 different ways of categorizing any person's opinions.

Each time we add another variable (for sure, there are more), that number doubles. And we've not even included which politicians or parties one might vote for in any election.

If we held a poll (we won't! ) that suggests that no two Avalonians would have the same sets of views — even very roughly.

So personally, I refuse to be categorized on that simplistic kindergarten-level spectrum. I have my own views, all subject to change. The world is complicated, hard to understand, and we are too.

None of us should get into fights about any of this. But what we can do here (and do do!) is share good information and perspectives to help others continue to modify and fine-tune their views. That's how we all learn.

@Bill - I used to think that extreme Left and Right met together in totalitarianism; but now I think that is not correct - at least not when twentieth century tyrannies are considered; because all the totalitarian regimes were (if understood in a world-historical framework) of-the-Left, and were secular/ atheist.

The idea that Nazis were 'right wing' is a lie of the communists and socialist; as should have been obvious from their official name of National Socialist German Workers Party. They were atheist, anti-Christian, and retained the Weimar Republic's abolition of the aristocracy and titles. What the Nazis were is a Leftist reaction against communism. So they can best be understood as a pro-nationalist, militaristic and anti-communist form of Leftism. Mussolini's regime was similar - it got its appeal as an anti-communist pro-nationalist workers movement - Mussolini had been a socialist. As had Oswald Moseley.

Franco was likewise an anti-communist nationalist militarist - but he ruled jointly with the Roman Catholic church - which was an alliance of anti-communists, because the church had been the major target for the Republican forces in the Spanish Civil War - as I understand, most of the Republican atrocities were directed against priests, monks and nuns (and, according to Orwell, by the communists against the socialists and anarchists who were 'on the same side').

In other words; I think the supposed examples of totalitarian right "Fascism" are better understood as anti-communist leftism - and the category of 'Fascism' covers a rather disparate collection of a variety of secular left but anti-communist movements.

What this means is the totalitarianism, in the twentieth century meaning, is a phenomenon of left-atheism; and totalitarianism should be distinguished from the numerous 'theocratic states' that existed in pre-twentieth century history, and still exist in some places - although currently none are Christian. If we want to use the category of Right in the 21st century, the theocracies are really the only reasonably distinct category from the mainstream and universal leftism of the developed world.

[grapevine]

How did I miss this great thread ? 😖

[Bill Ryan]

[Michel Leclerc]

The odd thing, Bill, is that I thought that the contributions were about left and right brain hemispheres. Oh, nice! I said to myself.

All dichotomies are wrong. (They are lobotomies). The right and left brain hemispheres and their qualities. How wrong. Yin and Yang. How boring. Male and female energies. How stultifying. Material and spiritual. How diabolical. The Ego and the Self. Really? Dualism and non-dualism (a-dvaita): how dualistic.

David Icke’s “Hegel dialectics”: how un-dialectic.

[Bill Ryan]

I'm copying this outstanding and important Tucker-Carlson — Ana Kasparian interview here (posted by mountain_jim yesterday), as it's so very relevant to the title of the thread.

Ana Kasparian is one of the founder co-hosts of The Young Turks, generally regarded as "liberal and progressive". Tucker is generally regarded as "conservative". But here they are, agreeing on practically everything.

It's one of the best conversations I've heard for a very long time, and I'd recommend it to anyone — whoever they may have ever voted for as US President.

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https://x.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1948790348077047944

If you want to understand how fake the current political system is, take a minute to listen to Ana Kasparian and ask yourself how much you disagree with.

(0:00) Why Americans Care So Much About the Jeffrey Epstein Case
(7:18) The Growing Nuance of America’s Political Parties
(14:33) Why Kasparian Admitted She Was Wrong About Defunding the Police
(21:32) Americans Do Not Want to Be Involved in Foreign Wars
(26:48) How Radical Leftist Ideology is Destroying California
(35:10) The Dark Truth About Gavin Newsom
(38:40) How Corporate Media Stokes Division
(42:51) Will Tucker Ever Run for President?
(44:12) The Backlash Kasparian Faced After Speaking to Glenn Beck
(56:07) The Anger and Self-Hatred of Liberal, Upper Class, White Women
(59:18) The Dangers of Centralized Power and the Rise of a Surveillance State
(1:02:23) Israel’s Strike on Gaza’s Only Catholic Church
(1:11:53) Azerbaijan, Israel, and the Armenian Christian Genocide
(1:24:10) Why Doesn’t Anyone Mention the Iranian Christian Population?
(1:25:08) The Future of Corporate Media
(1:28:00) The Obvious Epstein Cover-Up

[Dorjezigzag]

The Peaky Blinders take on this

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=8B06WXDCLOc

[Bill Ryan]