The Limits to Growth, and the Human Condition

[Bill Ryan]

New from Chris Martenson, just over 20 minutes. The title says it all.

He offers this summary at the opening of the video:

We risk destroying our future prosperity as a species.
And we risk depopulating the planet.

The Big Renewable Energy Myth You Need to Stop Believing

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=pFWo2CDJoX4

[ozmirage]

[raining on parade FLAG on]
"Free" Energy is a disaster.
Why?
Any use of “free Energy” involves friction, which is the inevitable consequence of using energy to do work.

Even flying will heat up the air by friction. If humanity ever harnessed unlimited power, the Earth would be destroyed by the accumulation of waste heat.

Remember, outside of the atmosphere there is vacuum. No conduction nor convection of heat is possible - all that remains is radiant energy. And it is practically impossible to radiate that much heat - or shade the planet from the Sun’s input - without wiping out life.

Of course, if one had frictionless machinery, transportation, and so forth, there would be no waste heat from friction. But that is not likely to happen. In fact, if we did develop frictionless machinery and transportation, it would require very little energy. That would be a far better solution that free energy.

You can roast a pig by burning down the barn, but it's better to use a small oven.

[Bill Ryan]

This new summary from Chris Martenson lays it all out once again. While this looks at first sight like a prediction of financial collapse (which is very likely to be accurate), the underlying factors are all about the finite, ever-decreasing supply of energy on the planet and the simple math that something has to give.

(You can skip through the sections where he's promoting Peak Prosperity, as I confess I always do now.)

The Real Panic Hasn't Even Started Yet

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=aPR2Rkc5Z8o

[Pam]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
This new summary from Chris Martenson lays it all out once again. While this looks at first sight like a prediction of financial collapse (which is very likely to be accurate), the underlying factors are all about the finite, ever-decreasing supply of energy on the planet and the simple math that something has to give.

(You can skip through the sections where he's promoting Peak Prosperity, as I confess I always do now.)

The Real Panic Hasn't Even Started Yet

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=aPR2Rkc5Z8o

I don't mean to insulting but I feel like Chris Martenson has fallen into the trap of so many YouTubers. Just the exploitive title is a big cheap turn off. He seems to have resorted to sensationalism to make a video that might otherwise have offered some wisdom. He didn't start out like that at all. Eventually, some either become addicted to making money off of these or just their fame. And of course, he is selling a product to boot. Once someone moves to this level of exploitation I simply lose interest.

I'm pretty sure what I have to say will not be popular here, but I would rather speak the truth as I see it.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Pam (here)
And of course, he is selling a product to boot. Once someone moves to this level of exploitation I simply lose interest.

I'm pretty sure what I have to say will not be popular here, but I would rather speak the truth as I see it.

I do agree. I'm afraid to say that I've been disappointed in him the last 6 months or so. His earlier videos in 2020-22 (about covid and big pharma) were extremely important, and impeccably presented. They regularly received hundreds of thousands of views every week. Now they get an average of maybe 12k each time, 20k at the most.

He's currently focused almost entirely on finance (and personal finance), which interests me far less, and his videos (but not this one that I've just posted) are sometimes inexplicably sloppy and incomplete.

One gets the impression that he cares much less now about his public presentations, and I assume (but can't know for sure) that 90% of his attention these days is on his farm and his paid-up subscribers.

[Satori]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Pam (here)
And of course, he is selling a product to boot. Once someone moves to this level of exploitation I simply lose interest.

I'm pretty sure what I have to say will not be popular here, but I would rather speak the truth as I see it.

I do agree. I'm afraid to say that I've been disappointed in him the last 6 months or so. His earlier videos in 2020-22 (about covid and big pharma) were extremely important, and impeccably presented. They regularly received hundreds of thousands of views every week. Now they get an average of maybe 12k each time, 20k at the most.

He's currently focused almost entirely on finance (and personal finance), which interests me far less, and his videos (but not this one that I've just posted) are sometimes inexplicably sloppy and incomplete.

One gets the impression that he cares much less now about his public presentations, and I assume (but can't know for sure) that 90% of his attention these days is on his farm and his paid-up subscribers.

I’ve kept quiet all this time, but I will now say that I’ve never cared for the man, his message or style. He does not, as they say, resonate with me. I think he takes the work and ideas of others and presents it as his own. Not to say he plagiarizes, but rather that he is not an original thinker.

[Harmony]

I still appreciate Chris Martenson for what he does have to offer when I do listen to him. He is a dot connector, and all the systems he looks at are important, but they are the systems most people guage things by but may not include other unpredictable data. Chris Martenson is looking at unsustainable systems falling apart, and the more you look really, I think, you find there is no easy way to transition into something better, that will become inevitable.


How we do that will be the next big step in order to stop the vultures ready to take over when those systems fail. It seems now it is becoming more obvious that increased pressure is being put on the systems intentionally so everything fails and falls at once so there will be little time to transition, making it easier to push in a system many would not agree to otherwise. Those systems planned are not infallible, they have weak points too. They require contol systems and people not knowing what "they" are really doing. Maybe it is hard for Chris Martenson to now offer a real solution for the long run because he realises it is out of the conventional book of solutions now.


I am not into the financial stuff either, but I think we need to hold the line with everyone that is trying in their own way to do anything helpful, and is seeing through at least some of the deception going on. It's all way more deceptive and far reaching than most realise, or are willing to look at. I pray for us all, as it will not be simple or easy.

[DNA]

Hypothetical question

If you knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that the human race would be extinct in one hundred years unless you initiated a global genocide eliminating 95% of the people in the world and you had the means to do it,,,what would you do?

I've asked this question about a hundred times over the past 20 years.

You know what amazes me most about the responses?
People's refusal to answer.
They keep changing the parameters of the hypothetical question.
No one, not one person has ever answered the question as put forth.

This is the down fall of many people in my opinion.
They REFUSE to see the world as it is.

This is one of the reasons people hate the Billy Meier material. He recites information he's been given about how the greatest threat to human beings on earth is over population. The same thing with the Michael Teachings. People hate being told we need to spay and neuter our humans. But it's true.

I'm a bit of a Star Gate nerd.
I've actually watched every episode of every season. I mention it because for the most part every human society they visit is stuck in a continuous iron age.
Shebaron said something earlier about maybe the most advanced we could get and still live in balance with the earth would be a continuous iron age.

I could see hidden planetary controllers doing that at some point. Secretly insuring society does not progress beyond a certain point.

In the rise and fall of the Roman empire...
Ceaser was holding audience to various folks seeking the ear of the state.
A man came with wonderful inventions to display all powered by steam.
He explained how all the labour's of Rome could be now done with steam powered inventions.
Ceaser after having the man's throat slit was asked by a sitting senator why he would end the life of the genius and prevent Rome from having these steam powered engines?
Cesar replied " if these engines do all the work what will the slaves do"?

But really I think hidden controllers have been working unseen to insure mankind did not advance and this has probably been going on for a long time.

Why mankind was allowed to grow such in the last 300 years or so I'll never know but apparently they are in the midst of righting the wrong.
This is why heads of state and religion visit Antarctica, to get their marching orders.

I disagree with Bill on a caveat or two.
I don't think you can compare different planetary cultures without factoring in the relative soul age of the beings incarnating on a planet.

Earth is a relatively low soul age.
Like new born baby just birthed by the Tao soul age.
You can't expect a baby to properly handle responsibilities that have such dire consequences.
Free energy is probably capable of doing just as much bad as good if we are to believe the disclosure in Christopher Nolan"s batman 3.

I think Earth folk for their own good need to be kept in an Iron Age level of a society.
Just my 2 cents...

[Agape]

That’s very difficult question indeed ( thanks DNA) but a logical one too.

Long time ago ( 2002 when I visited Bodhgaya ) I talked to one young Japanese monk , abbot of newly opened Japanese temple ran mostly by himself at that point , his working day over he came for peaceful walk around the main Stupa.
He was unusually tall for Japan, much taller than I am and spoke fluent English , educated out of Japan.
We talked about peace and humanity and stars but the very last thing he told me which was slightly out of context was “you know sister, human kind has to die slowly”.

With stress on “slowly”.

It was his personal insight it seems to me ( not something read in book) that it’s quite natural, logical and inevitable that human kind too has an “expiry date”.

It shocked me at that moment somewhere deeper inside of me.

But eventually , we all know it’s also true , predictably or less.

No one knows the time but that’s my opinion. The time is not exactly predictable from our today’s perspective unless it is meant to be global cataclysmic event.

There are many other ways humanity could die out though.

Talking of “parameters” yes, they are eventually important.

Our oxygen levels and amount of radiation in the atmosphere are just examples of narrowly defined parameters we depend on. If they change in few percent we may mostly, die off naturally. No hassle. Cockroaches will take over

Another possible bad scenario , the number of DNA mutations on rise, we will start producing “mutants” , people with diverse functions who won’t be regular humans.

Finally, humans may lose their ability to reproduce naturally for some obscure biological twist of parameter and will depend on in vitro fertilization which will reduce population curve dramatically.
Specific viruses may contribute to this in long run.

So what would you do “if you knew without shadow of doubt” , you would want to make sure that your reasoning is faultless ,
and consult your forecast with as many thinkers all over the globe as possible,
make sure your forecast is rock solid ( asteroid ?)
or something in that manner , then inform the public and let people decide about their fate.

That’s a democratic and republican approach to the matter.

If you chose acting alone instead you are putting self to position of either
a/dictator
b/emperor
c/or martyr

and killing off 95% of human populace in today’s world is still risky endeavour because some people will protest, fight back and get rid of you soon.

So I’d certainly chose to inform people about your prediction.

Suppose but only in the case the end of humanity was inevitable at that point people would simply stop having children .

Not easy to say or do but IF that eventually turns to be true, as entities whose biological systems depend on fragile mentality composed of complicated emotions and intelligence the urge to reproduce your self simply ceases on that acknowledgement .

As long as the information reaches to all people on the planet majority of them will follow the same pattern.

It will become a trend for “survival of the species”.

In 100 years they will be few thousand people left, less or more.

Many people will die voluntarily together because it will be “allowed” to do that.


So not much fuss , sadly to say.

Such predictions do exist , only a handful of mathematicians ( and Cliff High ) on the planet could currently confirm the degree of certainty or probability of human survival .

What did the monk mean really ? That we should not rush. Many people of my generation and younger opted out of having children because this world is very difficult place and there are countless children who have no one.

Mother Nature is smart. It tells us exactly when to stop but people do not listen or pretend not to hear.


Happy Earth Day, five minutes to midnight

🐳

[grapevine]

We Learn It Too Late - 103 Year Old Doctor Dr. Gladys McGarey on Life's Secrets

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=fbQvVS_8ZNI

I'm a long way from 103 but have always felt that life's lessons are learned in retrospect, which is born out by Gladys's comments.

Although I feel limited on a personal level, at a more spiritual level I do feel we are unlimited. It's finding our way which is difficult, on this solitary and on-going journey. Finding Love through God through Love (same thing) is everything.

[mountain_jim]

https://x.com/kylenabecker/status/1787479853035340127

Mark Zuckerberg, known for his Climate Change activism, shows off his new $300 million mega yacht.

Zuck's 287-foot mega yacht is powered by four MTU diesel engines and can reach a top speed of 24 knots.

America's elites are laughing right in our faces.

[Bill Ryan]

This new hour-long live onstage presentation by Chris Martenson — an excellent and clear one — definitely belongs on this thread, though it also predicts the closely-connected financial meltdown that now seems almost inevitable.

As Martenson explains, that's because economic growth and well-being is inextricably connected with the abundant supply of energy. The video thumbnail asks "Can we avoid the crash?", but this video is ALL about energy. The Chinese are alert to the imminent crisis, but no-one in the west is at all.

The Quickening Unveiled: Exponential Debt and Energy Realities

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=-wj_Bp1IIDw

[onawah]

There is a lot of information about Soul Age here:
https://www.michaelteachings.com/
And info about how different Soul Age characteristics differ here:
https://www.michaelteachings.com/soul_ages.html
It's "channeled information" which ordinarily I ignore these days, except for this source, which has been around for quite some time.
I know one of the channelers personally (author Joya Pope), and there are many credible channelers who all channel information that is in general agreement, and from the same source ("Michael"), which all makes very good sense.
According to Michael, there is a broad spectrum of Soul Ages on Earth now from Infant to Old.
Different countries each have their own range of Ages as well:
https://www.michaelteachings.com/sou...countries.html

So I think it really doesn't work to make a lot of generalizations about Earth humanity at this time.
Though that could certainly change, and I think it will, due to coming"Earth changes" ( See the thread Geomagnetic Reversals and Ice Ages).
The next paradigm will likely see a greatly reducted population, but it will be much more homegeneous as far as Soul Age, and thus easier to organize.
Since the main goal will be held in common--mainly, how to create a new paradigm that will not make the same mistakes as the foregoing paradigms.
That would necessitate an average Soul Age that is more advanced than the average is now, which should mean that mutual understanding, cooperation and shared values will be more the norm.
But the planet itself is going to need a lot of healing and repair after all the damage that has been done by humanity, and will be done by the coming Earth changes.
So it will no doubt be slow going for humanity for quite some time.
The souls creating that new paradigm will need to be very hardy and very determined.

Posted by DNA (here)
Earth is a relatively low soul age.
Like new born baby just birthed by the Tao soul age.
You can't expect a baby to properly handle responsibilities that have such dire consequences.
Free energy is probably capable of doing just as much bad as good if we are to believe the disclosure in Christopher Nolan"s batman 3.

I think Earth folk for their own good need to be kept in an Iron Age level of a society.
Just my 2 cents...

[DNA]

Posted by onawah (here)
There is a lot of information about Soul Age here:
https://www.michaelteachings.com/
And info about how different Soul Age characteristics differ here:
https://www.michaelteachings.com/soul_ages.html
It's "channeled information" which ordinarily I ignore these days, except for this source, which has been around for quite some time.
I know one of the channelers personally (author Joya Pope), and there are many credible channelers who all channel information that is in general agreement, and from the same source ("Michael"), which all makes very good sense.
According to Michael, there is a broad spectrum of Soul Ages on Earth now from Infant to Old.
Different countries each have their own range of Ages as well:
https://www.michaelteachings.com/sou...countries.html

So I think it really doesn't work to make a lot of generalizations about Earth humanity at this time.
Though that could certainly change, and I think it will, due to coming"Earth changes" ( See the thread Geomagnetic Reversals and Ice Ages).
The next paradigm will likely see a greatly reducted population, but it will be much more homegeneous as far as Soul Age, and thus easier to organize.
Since the main goal will be held in common--mainly, how to create a new paradigm that will not make the same mistakes as the foregoing paradigms.
That would necessitate an average Soul Age that is more advanced than the average is now, which should mean that mutual understanding, cooperation and shared values will be more the norm.
But the planet itself is going to need a lot of healing and repair after all the damage that has been done by humanity, and will be done by the coming Earth changes.
So it will no doubt be slow going for humanity for quite some time.
The souls creating that new paradigm will need to be very hardy and very determined.

Posted by DNA (here)
Earth is a relatively low soul age.
Like new born baby just birthed by the Tao soul age.
You can't expect a baby to properly handle responsibilities that have such dire consequences.
Free energy is probably capable of doing just as much bad as good if we are to believe the disclosure in Christopher Nolan"s batman 3.

I think Earth folk for their own good need to be kept in an Iron Age level of a society.
Just my 2 cents...

Joya Pope huh?
That's pretty awesome.
I personally find more usable and as such applicable information on the Michael Teachings than I do the Jane Robert's Seth material.

That's a bold statement and I don't make it lightly.
I feel like the Michael Teachings go really well with carlos Castaneda.
Castaneda mudshadow... The inorganic being parasites of all of mankind...
They have a analogous and correlating relationship with the Chief Features of the Michael Teachings.
I honestly feel like you could find the commonalities from those two philosophies and the Urantia Book and you would have the makings for your own religion.
A very true religion in my opinion.
Throw in some Billy Meier and you could wrap it in an effing bow. LOL.

I'm sorry that was very funny and very true at the same time.
People don't like Meier for the same reason people don't like The Michael Teachings. Too much accountability and the lacking of a savior to make everything better.

[onawah]

This talk from psychic Gigi Young (who is very well versed in Theosophy, Anthroposophy, etc.) contains a lot of detailed information about the stages that individuals go through in their soul development.

Posted by onawah (here)
NPC's: Can a Human Being Not Have a Soul?
Gigi Young
137K subscribers
Scheduled for Oct 13, 2024 2pm CST

"Join Gigi Young for a special public live lecture on Sunday, October 13 @ 3PM (Eastern). Premium members will have access to a Q&A segment towards the end of the lecture. Visit: https://gigiyoung.com/premium for more information."

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=jYMUFm2Eg1U

[DNA]

Posted by onawah (here)
This talk from psychic Gigi Young (who is very well versed in Theosophy, Anthroposophy, etc.) contains a lot of detailed information about the stages that individuals go through in their soul development.

Posted by onawah (here)
NPC's: Can a Human Being Not Have a Soul?
Gigi Young
137K subscribers
Scheduled for Oct 13, 2024 2pm CST

"Join Gigi Young for a special public live lecture on Sunday, October 13 @ 3PM (Eastern). Premium members will have access to a Q&A segment towards the end of the lecture. Visit: https://gigiyoung.com/premium for more information."

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=jYMUFm2Eg1U

I've gone over the NPC with no soul thing.
I don't buy it.
I think the creator of this subject was just trying to be interesting with an original take on the current situation.
But...
Billy Meier states that the USA has been developing super soldiers that are without a soul.
And...
That these same soulless zombie super soldiers will escape their commanders, go rogue and start killing American citizens indiscriminately.

Knowing what we know about the globalist government this probably wouldn't be an accident.

Billy also talks about weather wars and hurricanes that don't stop at the meeting of land but continue reeking destruction deep inland. Just like Hurricane Helene did.

It's no accident the time for earth changes is given by Edgar Cayce but no one listens.
He said the earth changes come after the start of World War 3.
And that is very telling.
You see it will be human kind that initiate the earth changes with the use of weather war and earthquake technology.

And the best places to be to have a chance to live through that???
Australia and Peru according to Meier

[onawah]

Gigi's take on NPCs is nothing like what has been making the rounds on the media.
Cayce also said that the times he predicted for earth changes would begin when Mt. Etna and Mt. Pelee are erupting simultaneously.

Posted by DNA (here)

Posted by onawah (here)
This talk from psychic Gigi Young (who is very well versed in Theosophy, Anthroposophy, etc.) contains a lot of detailed information about the stages that individuals go through in their soul development.

Posted by onawah (here)
NPC's: Can a Human Being Not Have a Soul?
Gigi Young
137K subscribers
Scheduled for Oct 13, 2024 2pm CST

"Join Gigi Young for a special public live lecture on Sunday, October 13 @ 3PM (Eastern). Premium members will have access to a Q&A segment towards the end of the lecture. Visit: https://gigiyoung.com/premium for more information."

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=jYMUFm2Eg1U

I've gone over the NPC with no soul thing.
I don't buy it.
I think the creator of this subject was just trying to be interesting with an original take on the current situation.
But...
Billy Meier states that the USA has been developing super soldiers that are without a soul.
And...
That these same soulless zombie super soldiers will escape their commanders, go rogue and start killing American citizens indiscriminately.

Knowing what we know about the globalist government this probably wouldn't be an accident.

Billy also talks about weather wars and hurricanes that don't stop at the meeting of land but continue reeking destruction deep inland. Just like Hurricane Helene did.

It's no accident the time for earth changes is given by Edgar Cayce but no one listens.
He said the earth changes come after the start of World War 3.
And that is very telling.
You see it will be human kind that initiate the earth changes with the use of weather war and earthquake technology.

And the best places to be to have a chance to live through that???
Australia and Peru according to Meier

[Bill Ryan]

A personal comment. Depletion of all Earth's resources and the systematic destruction of habitats is the issue, among all the serious current issues, on which I have the most attention and about which I'm most concerned.

(CO₂ emissions and greenhouse gases are a whole false narrative. All the manufactured hysteria about that can be disregarded. But everything else is all too real.)

• https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...r-and-sooner-3

July 24 marked this year's Earth Overshoot Day, the day that humanity’s demand for ecological resources exceeds the resources Earth can regenerate within that year.

You will find more infographics at Statista

Over the decades, the ecological footprint of humans has gradually increased, all while Earth’s biocapacity, i.e. its ability to regenerate resources has diminished significantly.

That has led to Earth Overshoot Day arriving earlier and earlier, moving from as late as December 31 in 1972 to mid-July in 2025 and previous years.

As Statista's Felix Richter reports, this year's date means that humanity is currently using nature's resources 1.8 times faster than ecosystems can regenerate. This includes people emitting more carbon dioxide than the biosphere can absorb, using more freshwater than can be replenished and other overuse of finite natural resources.

"Overshoot isn’t just the driver behind biodiversity loss, resource depletion, deforestation and the buildup of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, which intensifies extreme weather events. It also fuels stagflation, food and energy insecurity, health crises, and conflict," the organization explains in the press release announcing this year's Earth Overshoot Day.

The last time Earth Overshoot Day moved backwards was in 2020, when the Covid-19 pandemic stopped the world in its tracks, significantly reducing humanity's resource consumption and CO2 emissions.

According to recalculations based on the latest available data and accounting methods, Overshoot Day fell on August 9 that year, but quickly bounced back to July 29 in 2021, when normality gradually returned in large parts of the world. For the past three years, Earth Overshoot Day stood still on July 25 before moving one day forward this year.

The concept of Earth Overshoot Day was first conceived by Andrew Simms of the UK think tank New Economics Foundation, which partnered with Global Footprint Network in 2006 to launch the first global Earth Overshoot Day campaign. WWF, the world’s largest conservation organization, has participated in Earth Overshoot Day since 2007.

[Michel Leclerc]

Thank you Bill.

That is why in those years, coincidentally, I decided not to have children. (There were other reasons – lesser, by comparison.) It is fulfilling to help other people’s children – in their adolescence and young adulthood, when they can still be persuaded that their greatest gifts last a life.

In recent years this has sadly become the idea that while I am still there, I can maybe help them a little to get wisdom sooner to suffer less.