Zero Point | The Story of Mark McCandlish and the Fluxliner

[Bubu]

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Posted by Bubu (here)
Every kind of craft needs something to push on too to in order to move. cars push on the concrete boats push on the water. the fluxliner allegedly push on the magnetic flux of a planet by creating its own magnetic flux, as in north oppose north, using zero point energy. what bugles me is how did the aliens manage to drag their planets magnetic flux in order to reach that of the earths. So was mark there to muddle the conference? Why was the video of the conference cut and replace with marks interview on different occasion, as he was introduce to the crowd. The entire video of the conference was unlucky to have the airtime just like any another real ones and instead replace with this crap propaganda. As usual.

hi Bubu
There is: electro,magnetic and gravity throughout the solar-system,throughout the galaxy. It is throughout space, between the planets, between the stars!

yes so how do you determine the north and the south in order to determine whether to push or pull much like the electric motor. And when the craft is inside a planets magnetic field when you turn it say left or right the orientation of the crafts steering changes in relation to the magnetic field of the planet. Sorry but I dont see anything on this but ridiculuosness

[regnak]

Description (redacted)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=A02hFfRqigM

Duration
1 hour 33 minutes


How are the governments installing and maintaining all this gigantic equipment in outer space? This video provides some very important insights into who, what, when, where and how.

James Allen, the creative director behind this amazing documentary, is dead. He was killed in a very similar fashion as Dr. Robert Harrington who tracked Planet X Nibiru for the US government and met with Zachariah Sitchin instigating his death shortly thereafter.

I found it worthy very interesting 10/10

Edit from Bill: merged with an existing Avalon thread on the same video, from December last year. Many thanks for the bump

[CurEus]

Bob Lazar may be correct however it may not be the "only" element being used or used initially. In the video it was mentioned that Naval Deep Cycle batteries from submarines were used and once powered a zero point energy effect seems to take place...so power may only be needed to start a reaction and for steering. I expect over time refinements would be made to the whole process...

Interesting video and hopefully someone with the skills, inclination and resources can test this out in some manner.

[KingJamesCorona]

Despite the computer voice narration (now popularly used to create b.s. phenomenology content) this documentary’s information made some things click for me.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=wXwOkzaqzog

[KingJamesCorona]

Completely speculative

This film got me thinking about location, Utah. A high Mormon populace. Considering this and their deep roots in American history/industry. Development would perhaps go to those contractors in the area.

If one is familiar with Mormon faith, theirs some UFO-ish connotations. The Mormons are a disciplined unified people, controllable. What better group to give black program contracts to? However subsequent mirrored/splintered programs might be taken within the ‘faith’.

Completely speculative

Middle management and those still currently connected with fluxliner contracts, specifically the security apparatus, might still be in hot water dealing with loose ends.

Funny how James Allen died, a study for targeted individual scholars

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

An interesting snippet here on the ARV Flux Liner from the Danny Jones podcast. "UAP Gerb" (social media name) uncovered an old interview featuring Brad Sorenson, the original ARV witness, from 1990. When he put up a video about it, he came under fire for blowing the lid from a well-known UFO researcher, one close to Dr. Greer. Which is weird enough. This story has been in the public domain for years. Weirder still, when he reached out to Sorenson himself, Sorenson threatened to kill him.

https://x.com/JonesDanny/status/1952743899002261992

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https://x.com/UAPGERB/status/1952770769039310991
Gerb
@UAPGERB
Unfortunately, this is a true story

After the Flux Liner ARV video (video link in comment), I got a call from a UFO researcher I respect very much.

He asked me where I found the interview with primary witness Brad S (who has sent death threats my way many times) and informed me that the interview was supposed to be internal material to Steven Greer.

Why did Steven Greer and his team hide this 1990 interview recorded by Bill Scott of Aviation Week and Space Technology? I find that deeply troubling as the interview with Brad transforms the infamous Flux Liner ARV story into a first-hand witness testimony from the decades of second-hand retellings by aerospace illustrator Mark McCandlish.

Perhaps Greer and the researcher feared Brad; maybe he has more than just tired death threats to lob. After all, recently I made a post theorizing Brad S. had far more knowledge and understanding of Flux Liner than previously thought.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Mark (Star Mariner) (here)
An interesting snippet here on the ARV Flux Liner from the Danny Jones podcast. "UAP Gerb" (social media name) uncovered an old interview featuring Brad Sorenson, the original ARV witness, from 1990. When he put up a video about it, he came under fire for blowing the lid from a well-known UFO researcher, one close to Dr. Greer. Which is weird enough. This story has been in the public domain for years. Weirder still, when he reached out to Sorenson himself, Sorenson threatened to kill him.

https://x.com/JonesDanny/status/1952743899002261992

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https://x.com/UAPGERB/status/1952770769039310991
Gerb
@UAPGERB
Unfortunately, this is a true story

After the Flux Liner ARV video (video link in comment), I got a call from a UFO researcher I respect very much.

He asked me where I found the interview with primary witness Brad S (who has sent death threats my way many times) and informed me that the interview was supposed to be internal material to Steven Greer.

Why did Steven Greer and his team hide this 1990 interview recorded by Bill Scott of Aviation Week and Space Technology? I find that deeply troubling as the interview with Brad transforms the infamous Flux Liner ARV story into a first-hand witness testimony from the decades of second-hand retellings by aerospace illustrator Mark McCandlish.

Perhaps Greer and the researcher feared Brad; maybe he has more than just tired death threats to lob. After all, recently I made a post theorizing Brad S. had far more knowledge and understanding of Flux Liner than previously thought.

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Very very interesting (and important!)... I had always understood that no interview with Brad Sorenson ever existed.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

The interview in question was -- allegedly -- conduction by Bill Scott, senior editor of "Aviation Week and Space Technology" and was published in 1990. I say 'alleged' because as far as I can see Gerb hasn't produced it, and I'm still looking for it.

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Gerb
@UAPGERB
For many years, the story of Brad S. serrendpitously being taken to a classified exhibit at the 1988 Norton Air Force Base Air Show where he observed 3 flying saucers known as Flux Liners was relayed second hand by Mark McCandlish and his incredible sketches of the craft.

It wasn't until 2024 I was able to find a long-buried 1990 interview with Brad S. and Aviation Week and Space Technology senior editor Bill Scott where Brad S. not only confirmed the entirety of the story, but also commented that he learned these alien reporudction vehicles were poorly constructed "copy vehicles" based off recovered if not forecfully taken non-human technology. Why was this interview buried? I do not know, but I have suspicions.

Brad S. has historically been known as a hostile witness - lobbing death threats to filmmakers who worked with McCandlish, other respected researchers, and myself. The witness even told me:

"Mark McCandlish was a stupid, dramatic, selfish fool who died because he could not keep his mouth shut. Learn from this."

Since publishing on the story of the Flux Liner ARV, I have periodically attempted to contact direct witnesses of this case. Throughout the warnings and death threats, I have seen my opinions on Brad S. shift quite strongly. I am not so sure he was just a lucky individual who observed man's attempt to recreate non-human vehicles....

After being told by the witness that I was "not worthy" to speak to him about his experience, I rather stubbornly asked why he was worthy if his sighting of the ARV at the classified exhibit was complete luck due to whom he attended the Air Show with.

This is when the witness alluded that this sighting was not luck, and perhaps he helped create what he witnessed....

This has had me really scratching my head and thinking - Did Brad S., a genius industrial designer, help design aspects of the ARV or, at the very least, see some of his designs realized in the Flux Liner and relay a story of a chance sighting to Mark?

Here are some points supporting this thesis:

- Brad relayed the Flux Liner ARVs in incredible detail. These details were specific enough to describe the control ball system used to power the craft and the specifics of the synthetic vision system. Extensive knowledge of such details after a brief, up to 30-minute viewing of the craft seems highly unlikely.

- Brad revealed himself to be EXTREMELY displeased with the engineering of the craft in his interview with Scott, claiming "they looked poorly built". Brad would, multiple times, express his distaste that the craft were built by scientists. Perhaps clashes occurred if Brad aided in the conceptual design of the Flux Liner and multiple aspects weren't realized in the Scientists' build

- According to Mark, early in his career, Brad worked at an established Los Angeles-based design firm. Here, the owner had to step away, and Brad was thrust into a lead role, himself handling "substantial clients" before walking off and starting his own firm with many professional accounts.

- Addressing the point above, Brad DID engage with USG project - at a minimum, working in the early 2000s on a technology project to advance US military capability. Brad has also worked on Lockheed Aircraft.

- Brad threatens death to many who try to speak to him.

- The witness alluded to this in exchanges with me.

- Brad is listed in Steven Greer's witness list under witness ID# 10641. Alongside mention of the Norton 1988 incident, his witness statement reads,

"Is genius who designed propulsion system for Aurora craft. PI-40; not cooperative."

Now the PI-40 is another name for MJ-12? Could Brad be MJ-12?... I have seen no evidence of this, but this is an interesting question. As are the claims he designed the propulsion system for the Aurora. The Aurora was one of the more conventional crafts at the Norton classified exhibit - a pumpkin-seed shaped UAV that could carry over 100 nuclear warheads. Present USG military personnel were boasting on how the vehicle could destroy Soviet cities in an incredibly short amount of time.

Here are some points against this thesis:

- The Flux Liner has quite possibly been around or at least seen early prototypes realized since the 1960s. This is based on the images taken of a craft that looks like an early flux liner iteration by USAF captain Harvery Williams.

- Up into the 2000s Mark vehemently stated Brad was bewildered and changed by what he saw at the air show.

- Besides allusions to unhappiness with the construction of the craft, in his interview with Bill Scott Brad maintained in a stroke of luck he was taken to the classified exhibit to view the Flux Liners.

- By his demeanor, it is probable Brad witnessed something he was not supposed to and was threatened if he spoke out after his 1990 sole interview.

- IF Brad had intimate knowledge of the flux Liner, what was his play fabricating a story of discovery and leaking details to mark?....

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SIDE NOTE: When I speak to the witness Brad, I feel shades of William Steinman's 1980s interviews with Dr. Eric Walker. Similar to being told I am not worthy to know about his time with the Flux Liners, Walker would tell Steinman he was chasing after windmills investigating MJ-12 and crash retrievals (Don Quixote reference) and state:

"You are delving into an area that you can do absolutely nothing about. So why get involved with it orbe concerned about it? Why don't you just leave it alone and drop it? Forget about it!!"

Walker's demeanor reminds me closely of Brad's. Further Similarities include Walker Chastizing researcher Henry Azadehdel for not being in any UFO legacy groups: "I cannot answer that question. You are trying to squeeze answers out of me. If you are invited into this group I would know."

https://x.com/UAPGERB/status/1912284483883266485

Edit to add:
His Video on Youtube:
...where excerpts of the Sorensen interview are shown, but I've yet to find a downloadable document, like a PDF.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=wF07QMm6joE

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Regarding the UFO pic he brought up in the podcast clip:

Below is a 3D model of the McCandlish illustration. Beneath that, a photograph allegedly taken of a UFO in Utah in 1966. A pretty close match.