The Great Quotes thread

[Kryztian]

[Kryztian]

[Frankie Pancakes]

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[grapevine]

[Raskolnikov]

[mojorissin]

A wise man in the heaven of thought , is the focus of the universe .

[Kryztian]

Original: Sie sind so jung, so vor allem Anfang, und ich möchte Sie, so gut ich es kann, bitten, lieber Herr, Geduld zu haben gegen alles Ungelöste in Ihrem Herzen und zu versuchen, die Fragen selbst liebzuhaben wie verschlossene Stuben und wie Bücher, die in einer sehr fremden Sprache geschrieben sind. Forschen Sie jetzt nicht nach den Antworten, die Ihnen nicht gegeben werden können, weil Sie sie nicht leben könnten. Und es handelt sich darum, alles zu leben. Leben Sie jetzt die Fragen. Vielleicht leben Sie dann allmählich, ohne es zu merken, eines fernen Tages in die Antwort hinein.
- - - Letter to Franz Xaver Kappus, Worpswede, Bremen, 16. July 1903.

[rgray222]

The shroud of thinly veiled righteousness that cloaks the horror of war has begun to dissipate, and the revulsion and grotesqueness of war are seeping through the human carcass and it has begun saturating the soul of man. The reality of war has climbed aboard the train of human consciousness, and it is fast approaching the station of primordial repugnance. The spark of evolutionary change has been ignited in mankind, and those who fail to understand will lose their eternal inheritance.
Unknown

[Raskolnikov]

"There is something in the human spirit that will survive and prevail, there is a tiny and brilliant light burning in the heart of man that will not go out no matter how dark the world becomes."

"The great tragedy of atheists is that they walk through this world and have no one to thank."

Leo Tolstoy

[Kryztian]

[Raskolnikov]

Maybe we are in the new world, a truth finally came out of Cenk's mouth...

[Kryztian]

[Raskolnikov]

[Kryztian]

[Kryztian]

Posted by Raskolnikov (here)

Fake quote. Churchill had a deep knowledge about the history of Western Civilization and would have known about:

• The crusades - several attempts by Christian countries in the 11th to 13th centuries to take over Jerusalem and the surrounding area and to suppress the Islamic control in the area.
  
  
• The history of Spain from the 700s to 1492 - the control of the Iberian peninsula constantly shifted between Islam and Christianity. The areas controlled by Christians always demanded their subjects practice Christianity. The areas controlled by Islamic leaders often (but not always) were extremely tolerant of religious diversity. The city of Toledo, under Islamic control for several centuries, was were Islamic, Hebrew and Latin scholars worked to translate many of the great texts of mathematics, history, philosophy and other subjects. This all came to an end when Ferdinand and Isabella took complete control of Spain and expelled Christian and Jews.
  
  
• Palestine before Zionist terrorist groups (Lehi, Irgun) started forming in the 1930s. - Palestine had a Moslem majority and thriving Christian, Jewish, Bahai and Druze minorities living there - all of them spoke Arabic. Then Ashkenazy Zionist Jews showed up and started bombing hotels, trains and other installations that had British diplomats in them - some of these people would have been acquaintances of Churchill.

If Churchill had lived longer he would have seen how Christianists in Washington D.C., members of the Project for a New American Century, planned to ruthlessly overthrow seven governments in Moslem majority countries (and actually did in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya.) And he would have seen how "Jewish" (supposedly) Israel and the "Christian" (supposedly) U.S.A. worked to create "Greater Israel" on lands owned by Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, Iraq and other by continuously bombing Muslim majority nations.

Not only is the above quote fake, it shows incredible ignorance of history.

The Churchill Quotation That Wasn’t
https://www.factcheck.org/2019/06/th...on-that-wasnt/

By Angelo Fichera

Posted on June 20, 2019

A remark about Muslims attributed to Winston Churchill continues to circulate on social media, even though there’s no evidence he ever said it.

“When Muslims are in the minority they are very concerned with minority rights, when they are in the majority there are no minority rights,” the supposed quotation reads.

Posted in a meme that includes a photo of Muslim activist Linda Sarsour, the quotation has been repeatedly reposted despite a dearth of evidence that the late British prime minister ever said anything of the sort. Churchill died in 1965.

Churchill experts also cast doubt on the veracity of the attribution.

“This ‘quote’ is widely found online but there is no documented evidence that Churchill ever said it,” Lee Pollock, trustee and adviser to the board of the International Churchill Society, told us in an email. “It does not appear in any of his many books, articles or speeches nor is there any attribution from a witness that he/she heard him say that.”

Likewise, a senior fellow at Hillsdale College’s Churchill Project, Richard M. Langworth, includes the quotation in a post titled “All the ‘Quotes’ Winston Churchill Never Said.”

[Raskolnikov]

Good onya Kryztian, you're on a roll today. I could honestly care less about Churchill, but the overall premise of the quote was spot on. I had my reservations about that one too, but sometimes ya let the ball drop. I'll admit I wasn't a history major, preferred classical literature and philosophy. History always read like bankers, lawyers and accountants drumming up endless reasons for war to keep the profits rolling in, a bad script replayed again and again. Guess I'm doomed to repeat it right? And to be blunt, our history, as it's currently written, is a complete sham, a whitewash written by the victors of war for their own purposes. Funny how the good guys always win. If we play our cards right, Israel will soon be the arbiters of truth and the beacon of morality.

[Raskolnikov]

Posted by Kryztian (here)
The Churchill Quotation That Wasn’t
https://www.factcheck.org/2019/06/th...on-that-wasnt/

Again I have to call bs on the use of fact-checking sites. Factcheck.org is a left leaning organization with some questionable bias and funding and it stands to reason if they supported and censored "Covid misinformation" that they'd be right in line to debunk anything which speaks badly about their orchestrated illegal immigrant invasion. If they send you to a reliable source with reliable information then use that article, but the use of fact-checking sites to support your argument lost all credibility with the start of covid and "misinformation," as evidenced below:

https://www.allsides.com/news-source...org-media-bias

FactCheck.org Moved from Center to Lean Left in AllSides August 2023 Small Group Editorial Review
In August 2023, the AllSides team conducted a Small Group Editorial Review of FactCheck.org in which we moved FactCheck.org’s bias rating from Center to Lean Left.

A small group of AllSides reviewers — one person each with a bias on the left, center, and right — reviewed content from FactCheck.org for media bias. The team noted that FactCheck.org displayed bias in terms of its story choice and the other outlets it commonly referenced, which were mostly on the left. The team also noticed FactCheck.org was more likely to fact check former President Donald Trump and other Republicans than Democratic officials, however, it did periodically fact check President Biden also.

Additionally, as of August 2023, over 16,000 AllSides readers voted on the AllSides Media Bias Rating for FactCheck.org. On average, those who disagreed with the rating of Center thought FactCheck.org showed a bias of Lean Left. The AllSides team did not review this data before conducting its Small Group Editorial Review, but readers’ sentiments appear to confirm the team’s findings.

FactCheck.org Shows Story Choice Bias
At the time of review, topics frequently covered by FactCheck.org included Donald Trump, the August 2023 GOP Debate, claims made by conservatives, COVID-19, vaccines, and climate change.

The panel noted FactCheck.org frequently analyzed claims made about vaccines or pharmaceutical companies, and it often showed favor of perspectives held by elites.

Articles reviewed included:

RFK Jr.’s COVID-19 Deceptions
Republicans Oversell Archer’s Testimony About Hunter and Joe Biden
Biden Cherry-Picks Unemployment Record
Viral Video Repeats Bogus Claim About Vaccines and Visible Ailments
High Winds, Drought Conditions Led to Maui Fires, No Evidence Intentionally Set
No Support for Viral Claim That COVID-19 ‘Lockdowns’ Are Returning This Fall
FactChecking the First GOP Debate
FactChecking Trump’s Interview with Carlson
Conservative Posts Misrepresent Royalty Payments to Fauci and Collins


FactCheck.org Ownership and Funding

Funding and ownership do not influence bias ratings. We rate the bias of content only.
Owner: Annenberg Public Policy Center

FactCheck.org is owned and operated by the Annenberg Public Policy Center, which describes itself [retrieved Sept. 2023] as a “premier communication policy center,” and is part of the Annenberg School for Communication at the University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia.

According to its “Our Funding” page [retrieved Sept. 2023], FactCheck.org discloses donations it receives that are greater than $1,000. It reported its disclosed funding for the 2023 fiscal year as follows:

Annenberg Foundation: $796,691
Facebook (Third-Party Fact-Checking Program): $339,279
Robert Wood Johnson Foundation: $276,024
Individual donors: $122,183
National Science Foundation: $7,955
Facebook (National Association of Black Journalists fact-checking fellowship program): $4,244
In addition to its disclosed funding, FactCheck.org states the following:

“We do not seek and have never accepted, directly or indirectly, any funds from unions, partisan organizations or advocacy groups. We do not accept funds from corporations with the exception of Facebook, which provides funding as part of Facebook’s initiative to debunk viral deceptions, and Google, which provided a one-time grant to support our COVID-19 coverage in 2020. Neither corporation seeks nor is given any control over our editorial decisions.

Our policy is to disclose the identity of any donor who contributes $1,000 or more. We also disclose the total amount, average amount and number of individual donations.

Donors have no control over our editorial decisions.”

The one-time grant FactCheck.org received from Google was part of a Google News initiative that aimed “to produce fact checks about COVID-19 immunization misinformation and short bilingual video explainers.” It received this funding alongside television giant Univision’s Noticias Univision program.

A March 2021 press release regarding the grant said the following:

“We worked with Univision’s talented staff during the last two months of the 2020 election and we are excited to continue working with them on COVID-19 misinformation,” said Eugene Kiely, director of FactCheck.org. “Univision is the primary news source for Hispanics in the U.S. This gives us an opportunity to reach a larger and more diverse audience.”

“The pandemic and misinformation have disproportionately affected the Hispanic community,” said Jose Zamora, senior vice president of strategic communications at Univision News. “This exceptional partnership between Univision Noticias and FactCheck.org, with the support of the Google News Initiative, allows us to work with one of the most respected fact-checking platforms in the U.S. to continue and amplify our fight against misinformation and ensure that Latinos have access to accurate information. Univision Noticias is committed to serving its community through journalism and fact-checking; this partnership allows us to fulfill both purposes and our mission.”

[Kryztian]

Posted by Raskolnikov (here)
I could honestly care less about Churchill, but the overall premise of the quote was spot on.

It's really sad that you don't care about Churchill. He was, in many ways, a great man, although he had his faults. But you are using his name to bring weight to something he never said, never would have said. You are slandering him, and you are slandering the historical truth of what he did and didn't say. But you really don't care about the truth, do you? You are much more interested in slandering Churchill to support your agenda of hatred so that you can slander a group of people and cause hatred of them. History is filled with people like you and history shows when there are societies and nations are dominated by too many people who are motivated by hatred and stupidity, bad things happen. I won't bother you with the details because you simply wouldn't be interested.

It is really, really, really easy to authenticate a quote these days on the Internet. Especially if it is by someone as quote as Churchill. Especially if the quote is a controversial. In about two minutes time on an internet to find the source of the quote, what book it is in, where he uttered the words, etc. It's really easy, even to someone with an IQ of 70. If Churchill actually said this, we would have known this decades before you posted this, we would know that date and hour and exact place he uttered these words.

Posted by Raskolnikov (here)

Posted by Kryztian (here)
The Churchill Quotation That Wasn’t
https://www.factcheck.org/2019/06/th...on-that-wasnt/

Again I have to call bs on the use of fact-checking sites.

Oh, good lord! A number of us have contributed to threads about Wikipedia, Snopes, The New York Times, etc. and how they go wrong. But we also agree, these place can often be reliable sources and the most convenient ones, if you know how to use them.

I rest my case. Some people just aren't interested in the truth when they have a deep seated need to spew venom on the rest of humanity. Many of us have worked on uncovering the truth about Corey Goode and David Wilcock and others, and have overwhelming proved they are frauds many times over. But Goode and Wilcock STILL have dedicated followers. Some people are completely immune to fact, reason, irrational discussion. Some people are totally dedicate to ugliness, hatred and the necessary lies to justify them.

[Raskolnikov]

Out of respect for this thread, and because there's nothing great the words above, my response can be found here https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1681625

Back to the great quotes.

[Bill Ryan]

Humans are not evolved for modern life. We're still cave people, stuck in a modern world.

Ella Al-Shamahi, Evolutionary Biologist