“2 million German women who were raped by Soviet soldiers": true or false? - I'm putting an end to it

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I watched foreign videos and read comments from foreigners where they believe in this nonsense that allegedly Soviet soldiers did terrible things in Berlin, I was outraged and decided to publish an article on this topic.

“2 million German women who were raped by Soviet soldiers": true or false? - I'm putting an end to it



Most likely, many of you have heard about the lawlessness of the Red Army soldiers in 1945. Allegedly, events took place in Berlin that pointed to the brutality and ruthlessness of our soldiers. This is especially true of the attitude towards German women and the German population in general. Today, there is even a staggering statistic: “2 million German women raped by Red Army soldiers.” And there's a reason the data is in quotation marks. Later you will understand why.

In this article, we will answer the most important and exciting question: how Soviet soldiers treated the civilian population in Germany. Whether girls and women were raped or not. And in general, where did such an impressive figure come from, which is once and for all fixed in some sources (about the reliability of which we will argue later). Be sure to read the material to the very end to find out all the key details.

Where do these numbers come from?
Let's first look at the statistics that indicate exactly 2 million. And this figure came about for a reason: it was first announced by the British historian and writer Sir Anthony James Beevor. Moreover” it was voiced when writing the book “The Fall of Berlin". It is worth noting that this work was published in the early noughties, and soon became a bestseller in several countries around the world.



So, let's go back to the origins of the figure of “2 million German women who were raped by the Red Army in 1945.” Anthony Beevor tried very hard in this regard and got the data thanks to his own calculations. He started from the birth rate in one of the German cities. Moreover, he emphasized that the fathers of the children were the Soviet military. Then the author calculated the proportion of the total number of births, multiplied the resulting number by the number of German maternity hospitals in the country, and summed up the German women who had an abortion. And here they are, the very 2 million German girls and women who “suffered from Soviet soldiers.”

Despite the fact that the calculations were made as of 1945-46, the writer clearly exaggerated. And so much so that it is not even possible to imagine! Mathematical and statistical calculations are all understandable, but there is an important factor: the memories of veterans who reached Berlin and witnessed everything that happened in the army. Here he is, a living example and a whole story. So, let's get to the most important question.

Were there rapes or not?
Well, are you ready to find out the truth from the memories of our veterans? As we said earlier, this is a vivid and vivid example. And it will no longer be possible to refute it. Even after almost 80 years since the Great Victory.

So, there were no rapes, harassment, or threats from Soviet soldiers, except in isolated cases. However, the latter had corresponding consequences. A Red Army soldier who committed a despicable act against German women risked his own life. Subsequently, he was court-martialed or shot. By the way, the perpetrator could have been shot immediately on the spot! And here it is very important to recall the Directive of 19.01.1945.

We would like to draw your attention to the essence of the order, which was adopted by the supreme leadership of the USSR. Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin ordered that it be strictly forbidden to have sexual relations with German women. As for the civilian population of Germany, the Soviet soldier pledged to treat the inhabitants of German cities humanely.

As you can already understand, the punishment for violating the generally accepted Directive was severe. In the end, the perpetrator could be sent to forced labor in concentration camps. The army was well aware of the inhumane conditions there.

Also, do not forget about the qualities possessed by a Soviet soldier at that time. Moral principles and empathy for others came first. Especially in relation to the fairer sex. And the events of 1945 played a key role in this regard: everyone understood that victory was near. And to end up like this in violation of an order from the country's top leadership was at least stupid.

You may ask: why did some people ignore Stalin's orders and commit immoral acts? And here it is enough to realize the following. In every country (not only in the USSR at that time), there were and still are people who put their own principles above all else. Unfortunately, this was also the case in the Red Army. But here, too, another correction should be made: some officers and military officers of high ranks acted immorally. Unlike ordinary soldiers, they are endowed with a large number of privileges and freedom of action. So they acted on their own. Of course, the truth was subsequently revealed, and the perpetrators were punished: from 7 to 10 years in prison.

The Germans were the first to make contact.
Yes, yes, you heard right! According to the memoirs of WWII veterans, German girls and women were the first to show interest in Soviet soldiers. If it's really straightforward and without unnecessary emotions to answer who is to blame for this whole story, it's the Germans themselves.

The residents of the captured cities, to their great surprise, treated the Red Army soldiers very well. They saw them as the most genuine and valiant men. That is why many German women were not even shy about the Soviet soldier.

According to eyewitnesses (WWII veterans), the girls and women had a neat appearance. There was something special about them. It is possible that some were waiting for help in a difficult life situation. After all, there were quite a lot of destroyed houses and structures in Berlin at that time. Maybe that's why the Germans were the first to make contact.

There were also German women who showed interest in physical communication. Especially when the day ended and night fell. They dressed appropriately for a suitable purpose: stockings, high neck on outerwear, etc.



But the average soldier, both by his principles of life and because of Stalin's orders, understood perfectly well how this could end. In this regard, the commanders of their units personally supervised each Red Army soldier. Just in case, so to speak.

However, initially the German residents were afraid of the arrival of the Soviet army. And it's not for nothing. It was the Germans who were especially afraid. But then everyone began to realize that the Red Army soldiers were not like that at all. And the reason for this is propaganda for that period.

They suggested wrong things and misled.

Since the Wehrmacht army was well aware that the victory was for the Soviet people, it recalled some kind of propaganda. The Germans instilled in their population that Soviet soldiers were cruel, ruthless and ready for merciless violence. Naturally, the civilians believed it. Children, women, and the elderly have resigned themselves to their fate. But what was their relief when the Red Army appeared to them completely different.

German propaganda began to spread before 1945. The civilians were instantly panic-stricken. As mentioned earlier, girls and women were the most afraid of everyone. That is why, after the Red Army appeared in Berlin, the townspeople began to hide from the Soviet soldiers. We hid and hoped that it would get through. In the end, it really blew it!



Imagine the surprise of the German women when the danger was over. From now on, they saw kind, smiling and sympathetic soldiers of the Red Army. The soldiers helped the civilian population, if necessary, and sometimes asked for help in return. For example, bring some water to drink. The Germans certainly agreed. That's how propaganda began to be forgotten in the city.

Can you imagine one amazing fact: it turns out that Soviet soldiers supplied food to the civilian population many times better than the top leadership of Germany! Again, this is not a fictional story, but the memories of a German woman from Berlin. Her name is Elizabeth Schmeyer.

It wasn't just the Germans who were the first to take the initiative.

It should also be noted that it was not only in Germany that women showed interest in the valiant soldiers. At the end of the Second World War, countries such as Poland, the Czech Republic, and Austria were fully liberated from fascist oppression. And there, girls and women also found something special about the Red Army soldiers. It's like something you've never noticed before.

For example, in Austria, women pointed to character traits such as friendliness and cheerfulness. In Poland and the Czech Republic, the ladies seemed to see real warriors and saviors. Therefore, they did not hesitate to be the first to approach the Soviet soldiers.

In general, in Germany at that time they understood that they were not facing enemies, but real saviors. Who came, first of all, to protect, not enslave. And the overwhelming majority of people were only in favor of finally putting an end to fascism.

Conclusion.

Thus, the stories that Soviet soldiers raped German women are another myth. Those units who indulged in a lot of unnecessary things suffered a well-deserved punishment. Nevertheless, the Germans were the first to show interest. First of all, they were waiting for help during that difficult period and hoped only for the best.

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German civilians and Soviet soldiers in 1945.



Victims of Propaganda

“Half a day has passed since the Russians arrived, and I’m still alive.” This phrase, pronounced with undisguised amazement by an old German woman, was the quintessence of German fears. Dr. Goebbels’ propagandists had achieved serious success: the population sometimes feared the arrival of the Russians even more than death.

Wehrmacht and police officers, who knew enough about the crimes committed by the Nazis in the East, shot themselves and killed their families. There are many testimonies of such tragedies in the memoirs of Soviet soldiers. “We ran into the house. It turned out to be a post office. There was an elderly man there, over 60 years old, in a postman’s uniform. “What’s going on here?” While we were talking, I heard shots in the house, inside in the far corner… It turned out that a German, a police officer, had settled in the post office with his family. We went there with machine guns. The door was opened, we burst in, we see a German sitting in a chair, arms outstretched, blood coming from his temple. And on the bed there was a woman and two children, he shot them, sat down in a chair and shot himself, then we came. The pistol was lying nearby."

In war, people quickly got used to death; however, you can't get used to the death of innocent children. And Soviet soldiers did everything possible to prevent such tragedies.

Shock
The scary Russian soldiers smiled just like real people; they even knew German composers - who would have thought that such a thing was possible! A story that looks like it came from a propaganda poster, but is completely true: in Vienna, which had just been liberated, Soviet soldiers who stopped for a rest saw a piano in one of the houses. "Not indifferent to music, I suggested to my sergeant, Anatoly Shats, a pianist by profession, to try out the instrument, to see if he had forgotten how to play," recalled Boris Gavrilov. "After gently fingering the keys, he suddenly, without warming up, began to play at a strong tempo. The soldiers fell silent. It was a long-forgotten peaceful time, which only occasionally reminded of itself in dreams. Local residents began to approach from the surrounding houses. Waltz after waltz - it was Strauss! - attracted people, opening their souls to smiles, to life. The soldiers smiled, the Viennese smiled...". Reality quickly destroyed the stereotypes created by Nazi propaganda - and as soon as the inhabitants of the Reich began to realize that their lives were not in danger, they returned to their homes. When the Red Army soldiers occupied the village of Ilnau on the morning of January 2, they found only two old men and an old woman; by the evening of the next day there were already more than 200 people in the village. In the town of Klesterfeld, by the time the Soviet troops arrived, 10 people remained; by the evening, 2,638 people had returned from the forest. The next day, peaceful life began to return to the city. Local residents said to each other in surprise: "Not only do the Russians not harm us, but they also take care that we do not starve."

When German soldiers entered Soviet cities in 1941, famine soon began in them: food was used for the needs of the Wehrmacht and taken to the Reich, and the townspeople switched to foraging. In 1945, everything was exactly the opposite: as soon as the occupation administration began to function in the cities occupied by the Soviets, local residents began to receive food rations - and even larger ones than they had been given out before.

The amazement of the Germans who realized this fact is clearly expressed in the words of Berlin resident Elisabeth Schmeer: “The Nazis told us that if the Russians came here, they would not ‘douse us with rose oil’. It turned out completely differently: the defeated people, whose army had caused so much misfortune to Russia, were given more food by the victors than the previous government had given us. It is difficult for us to understand. Only Russians are apparently capable of such humanism.” The actions of the Soviet occupation authorities were, of course, determined not only by humanism, but also by pragmatic considerations. However, the fact that the Red Army soldiers voluntarily shared food with the locals cannot be explained by any pragmatism; it was a movement of the soul.

Two million raped German women
Immediately after the end of the war, the myth began to spread that Soviet soldiers allegedly raped 2 million German women. This figure was first cited by British historian Anthony Beevor in his book The Fall of Berlin.

Cases of rape of German women by Soviet soldiers did occur, and statistically speaking, their occurrence was inevitable, because the multi-million Soviet army had come to Germany, and it would be strange to expect the highest moral standard from every soldier without exception. Rapes and other crimes against the local population were recorded by the Soviet military prosecutor's office and severely punished.

The lie about the 2 million German women who were raped is a huge exaggeration of the scale of the rapes. This figure is essentially made up, or rather obtained indirectly on the basis of numerous distortions, exaggerations and assumptions.:

1. Beevor found a document from a clinic in Berlin, according to which 12 of the 237 children born in 1945 and 20 of the 567 children born in 1946 were Russian fathers.Let's remember this figure — 32 babies.

2. I calculated that 12-5% of 237, and 20 is 3.5% of 567.

3. Takes 5% of all those born in 1945-1946 and believes that all 5% of children in Berlin were born as a result of rape. A total of 23,124 people were born during this time, 5% of this figure is 1,156.

4. Next, he multiplies this figure by 10, assuming that 90% of German women had an abortion, and multiplies it by 5, making another assumption that 20% became pregnant as a result of rape. It receives 57,810 people, which is approximately 10% of the 600,000 women of childbearing age who were in Berlin.

5. Next, Beevor takes a slightly modernized formula from old man Goebbels: "All women from 8 to 80 years old were subjected to numerous rapes." There were still about 800,000 women outside the childbearing age in Berlin, 10% of this figure — 80,000.

6. Adding 57,810 and 80,000 together, he gets 137,810 and rounds up to 135,000, then does the same with 3.5% and gets 95,000.

7. Then he extrapolates this to the whole of East Germany and gets 2 million raped German women.

Did you count it well? He turned 32 babies into 2 million raped German women. Only, here's the problem: even according to his document, "Russian/rape" is written only in 5 cases out of 12 and in 4 cases out of 20, respectively. Thus, the basis of the myth of 2 million raped German women was only 9 German women, the fact of rape of which is indicated in the data of the Berlin clinic.




Russian soldiers and Berlin bicycles
A photo has been widely distributed in which a Russian soldier allegedly takes a bicycle from a German woman. In fact, the photographer captured the misunderstanding. In the original publication of Life magazine, the caption reads: "There was a misunderstanding between a Russian soldier and a German woman in Berlin over a bicycle he wanted to buy from her."

.In addition, experts believe that the photo is not a Russian soldier. He is wearing a Yugoslav cap, a roll is not worn in the way it was customary in the Soviet army, and the material of the roll is also not Soviet. Soviet rolls were made of first-class felt and did not crease as it can be seen in the photo.

An even more thorough analysis leads to the conclusion that this photo is a staged fake.

The location has been established — filming is taking place on the border of the Soviet and British occupation zones, near Tiergarten Park, directly at the Brandenburg Gate, where the Red Army control post was located at that time. Upon careful examination of the photo, only five out of twenty people are identified as "witnesses to the conflict", the rest show complete indifference or behave completely inappropriately in relation to this situation — from complete disregard to smiles and laughter. In addition, a US Army soldier is present in the background, also behaving indifferently. The photo itself raises a lot of questions.

The soldier is alone and unarmed (this is a "looter" in an occupied city!), dressed out of size, with a clear violation of the form of clothing and the use of elements of someone else's uniform. He is looting openly, in the center of the city, next to the post, and even on the border with someone else's occupation sector, that is, in a place that initially enjoys increased attention. He doesn't react at all to others (the American, the photographer), although by all the rules of the genre he should have already run away. Instead, he continues to pull on the wheel, and he does it for so long that they manage to take a picture of him, the photo quality is almost studio-quality.

The conclusion is simple: in order to discredit the former allies, it was decided to produce a "photographic fact" confirming the "crimes of the Red Army" in the occupied territory. Only two people passing in the background are probably onlookers. The rest are actors and extras.

The actor, portraying a Russian soldier, was dressed up in elements of various military uniforms, trying to get as close as possible to the image of the "Soviet warrior". In order to avoid conflict with Soviet military personnel, genuine elements of the uniform, such as shoulder straps, emblems and insignia, are not used. For the same purpose, they abandoned the use of weapons. It turned out to be an unarmed "soldier" in a cap of the "Balkan" army, with an incomprehensible raincoat or a piece of tarpaulin instead of a roll and in German boots. When creating the composition, the actor was deployed in such a way as to hide from the camera the absence of a cockade, awards, badges and patches; the absence of shoulder straps was hidden by an imitation of a roll, which had to be worn in violation of the charter, which they probably did not even suspect.

What was it like in reality
The debunking of these myths by the German citizens themselves speaks for itself! The inhabitants of Germany, for the most part, have never perceived Soviet soldiers as something terrible, threatening their lives, something that came to their land from hell itself!

The famous German writer Hans Werner Richter wrote: "Human relations are always difficult, especially in wartime. And today's generation of Russians can look into the eyes of the Germans without a twinge of conscience, remembering the events of those terrible war years. Soviet soldiers did not shed a single drop of wasted, civilian German blood on German soil. They were the saviors, they were the real winners."

https://pikabu.ru/story/mirnoe_nasel..._1945g_5105069

https://life.ru/p/950703

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Why have documents about the atrocities of the Americans in defeated Berlin only now been declassified?

I translated the article for you from this site from Russian to English using Yandex translator: https://dzen.ru/a/ZsGCbmGtiUqZ8qRF

In the campaign launched in the West to rewrite the results of World War II, history falsifiers assign an important place to the reanimation of the Goebbels myth about the Soviet troops as a horde of wild nomads who committed the "primitive rape of an entire nation" (the expression of the British historian Max Hastings[1]).

I have already written about this more than once. You can read it HERE: https://dzen.ru/a/Xpmn3GZHogwzGP3A

Myths are built on the basis of facts that actually took place. Violent and mercenary crimes in war are not uncommon. In all armies–ours, the Americans, and other armies. The face of war is dirty and unsightly. War generates not only heroic deeds, but also the most heinous crimes. Murders, robberies, violence against women – all these are her inevitable companions. Let's emphasize – any war. And in any of the opposing sides.

However, the falsifiers of history in relation to the Red Army deliberately amplify the negative, exaggerate, distort the existing facts in order to make global generalizations, emphasizing the thesis of the impunity of Soviet soldiers.

Due to my military service, I had the opportunity to review more than one hundred verdicts of Soviet military tribunals on the conviction of criminals from among Soviet servicemen in 1945-1946. Therefore, I dare say that they were judged, regardless of their titles and merits. You can read about it HERE.:

Even the Heroes of the Soviet Union were tried for violence in Germany (military court archive)
https://dzen.ru/a/XhhtiivrSQCxHxV8

Today we will talk about how things were going in the army of our allies.

According to Robert J. Lilly, an American professor of criminology, obtained as a result of his study of American archival documents[2], by November 1945, American tribunals had reviewed 11,000 cases of serious sexual crimes in Germany. But few suffered serious punishments. In addition, the statistics provided by the professor are only a small fraction, the tip of the iceberg, which did not reflect the real picture.

German historian Miriam Gebhardt in her book "When the Soldiers Came"[3], noting that the behavior of Americans was no different from that of Russians, suggested (based on her calculation methodology) that at the end of the war, American soldiers raped about 190,000 German women. And from 1945 to 1955, about 900,000 women were raped (one third by Americans, British and French).

This book by Miriam Gebhardt has caused a heated discussion in Europe. Most of the reviewers spoke positively about her work. However, the book was sharply criticized in the USA and England.


The book by M. Gebhardt

This year, the FSB declassified a number of archival certificates and special reports from Berlin on the illegal behavior of military personnel from Great Britain, the United States and France. These documents objectively confirm M. Gebhardt's conclusions about the rampant crime of the Anglo-Saxons and their impunity. According to reports, the "allies" behaved on German soil like conquerors who committed real arbitrariness. The documents reveal an unsightly picture of mass beatings, robberies and rapes.

From a memo from the head of the operations sector of the Soviet Military Administration of Berlin, Major General A.M. Sidnev, to the Deputy People's Commissar of Internal Affairs of the USSR, Commissioner of the NKVD for the SVAG, Colonel General I.A. Serov, dated November 9, 1945:

"It has been established that cases of hooliganism, robbery and violence by American servicemen against Germans do not stop, and these facts are increasing daily." So, for example:
"On October 21st, two Germans Friedrich Scholl, who lives at 15 Schwerinstrasse, and Karl Kritschek, who lives at 158 Potsdamerstrasse, were walking home from work. Two American soldiers approached them from Potsdamer Street and asked for a light. After that, for no reason, the Americans fired pistols at each other, as a result of which Shol was wounded in the chest, and Krichek in the stomach. The latter were picked up by the police in serious condition and sent to the Augusta Victoria Hospital...



В другой справке от 19 ноября 1945 года отмечалось, как 26 сентября двое американских солдат бесчинствовали в магазине на углу улиц Зюдвесткорзо и Висбаденерштрассе:

"Один из них стал у двери, а другой, войдя в помещение, грубо схватил одну женщину и повел ее в сторону, где и пытался ее изнасиловать". Когда местный житель, художник Пауль Калини попытался помешать насильникам, "американцы начали избивать Калина, в результате переломили ему носовую кость, проломили голову, после чего скрылись"...

Американцы устраивали и массовые налеты. Например, вечером 26 октября 1945 года к ресторану "Фемина" "подошли две грузовые машины с американскими военнослужащими в количестве 40-50 человек, вооруженными автоматами". Они ворвались в заведение, закрыли все входы и выходы и, угрожая оружием, заставили находящихся там немцев сдать все ценные вещи.

"Таким образом, - писал А.М. Сиднев, - американцы в течение 10-15 минут сняли у немцев часы, золотые кольца, забрали деньги, у женщин отобрали меховые воротники и другие ценности, после чего скрылись".

В связи с изложенным, у меня всего один вопрос: почему эти документы рассекретили только сейчас, в мае 2024 года, хотя советских солдат- освободителей поливают грязью уже несколько десятилетий?

[1]Гастинг М. Армагеддон: битва за Германию, 1944-1945 гг. 2004.

[2]Роберт Дж. Лилли в 2003 г. he published the book (Taken by Force) "Taken Away by force".

[3]When the soldiers came. The rape of German women at the end of the Second World War. Изд. DVA, München 2015.

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The Allies behaved abominably in Berlin
I translated the article for you from this site from Russian to English using Yandex translator: https://m.ok.ru/group/55551287689236...57290090269972



In 1945-1946, in the capital of the defeated Reich, Soviet security agencies recorded numerous cases of robbery and violence by US and French military personnel against Germans, as well as the activity of American, British and French intelligence services directed against the USSR.

The FSB Public Relations Center has published three declassified documents on the official website of the Federal Security Service in the "Archival Materials" section of the "History" section, each of which speaks for itself. The first and second documents are similar in content. This is "Special Message No. 3/2347 from the Head of the Berlin Operational Sector on the facts of looting, murder and robbery of civilians by American military personnel in Berlin. November 9, 1945" and "Information from the Head of the Operational Sector of the mountains. Berlin on the facts of looting, murders and robberies of the civilian population by soldiers of the Allied occupation forces in Berlin. November 19, 1945." The third document, on the attempts of the Allies to spy on us, which began after our Victory, was prepared in the name of the then Minister of Internal Affairs of the USSR, Colonel–General Sergei Kruglov, by his deputy, Colonel-General Ivan Serov, on May 8, 1946.

The Soviet soldiers who crushed the Wehrmacht had endless reasons to take revenge on the Germans for all the atrocities they committed on our territory from 1941 to 1944. However, after the victorious May 1945, our soldiers and officers in the occupied territory did not slip into primitive hatred, did not quench their thirst for revenge. On the contrary, our army, once again showing its greatness, set about solving the humanitarian problems of the local population – it supplied food, saved German citizens from hunger, and provided all kinds of other assistance. At the same time, the concern for the local population was not spontaneous, but organized – the Soviet Military Administration in Germany (SWAG) was created to directly manage the Soviet Zone of Occupation of Germany (NWOG).
Of course, SWAGS had other special tasks. Employees of the operational sectors of the NKVD-NKGB-MVD-MGB of the USSR of the Soviet occupation Zone (14 such sectors were formed) fought the Nazi underground, searched for and arrested war criminals, engaged in counterintelligence work, and participated in the formation of German self-government bodies.
The functions of the Berlin Operations Sector included monitoring the situation and behavior of the Allied forces in the American, British and French occupation zones of Berlin. The observation showed that they behaved abominably there. About the same as the Napoleonic army in 1812 in Moscow, as the Nazis in the occupied cities and towns of the USSR, as the Americans in Vietnam in the 60-70s of the last century and in occupied Iraq and Afghanistan at the beginning of the third millennium, as the French in Africa, from where they are now being driven with a filthy broom.
In a memo dated November 9, 1945 from the head of the operational sector of the city of Berlin, Major General Alexei Sidnev, to the Deputy People's Commissar of Internal Affairs of the USSR, Colonel General Ivan Serov, it was noted:
"As established, cases of hooliganism, robbery and violence by American servicemen against Germans do not stop, and these facts are increasing daily.. So for example:
On October 21, two Germans, Friedrich Scholl, who lives at 15 Schwerinstrasse, and Karl Kritschek, who lives at 158 Potsdamerstrasse, were walking home from work. Two American soldiers approached them from Potsdamer Street and asked for a light. After that, for no reason, the Americans fired pistols at each other, as a result of which Shol was wounded in the chest, and Krichek in the stomach. The latter, in serious condition, were picked up by the police and sent to the Augusta Victoria Hospital…
On October 26, at 7:45 p.m., American soldiers shot Lotta Bloksdorf, a German woman living at 2 Schöneberg Zintenstrasse, in the thigh with a machine gun and took her to the hospital in serious condition. The soldiers fled."…
On October 26 of this year, at 7.50 p.m., Walter Keller, a worker living in Charlottenburg, Kielinerstrasse, was beaten by five American soldiers with a rubber stick on Genesstrasse 7, for no reason."
In the certificate of the head of the NEA operations sector of Berlin, Major General Sidnev, "On the facts of looting and robbery by soldiers of the Allied occupation forces" dated November 19, 1945, it was reported:
"According to the data available in the Berlin Operations Sector, it is known that cases of outrage and robbery of the Berlin population by soldiers of the Allied occupation forces have recently become more frequent. The most characteristic of them are:…
"On October 26, at about 9 p.m., two trucks carrying 40-50 American servicemen armed with machine guns approached the Femina restaurant in the Berlin-Schöneberg area, who broke into the Femina restaurant, simultaneously closing all entrances and exits and threatening with weapons, they offered the Germans there to hand over all valuables. Thus, within 10-15 minutes, the Americans took watches and gold rings from the Germans, took money from the women, took away fur collars and other valuables, and then disappeared."…

"It has been established that cases of hooliganism, robbery and violence by American servicemen against Germans do not stop, and these facts are increasing daily."

"On March 26-45, the artist Kalin Paul, who lives at 22 Artzinerstrasse, approached the store located on the corner of Sudwestkorzo and Wiesbadenorstrasse, where women were queuing. Two American soldiers approached at the same time. One of them stood at the door, and the other, entering the room, roughly grabbed one woman and led her to the side, where he tried to rape her. Kalin Paul entered there, who interrupted them. When the Americans saw him, they started beating Kalin, as a result of which they broke his nasal bone, fractured his head, and then disappeared."…
"On March 27-[19]45, at 21 o'clock, three French soldiers came to the apartment of Agnes Tornov, a resident of the suburb of Berlin – Lubars Am, Vicenende, 37, who raped Agnes and the girl Riss who was in the house. After that, the soldiers seized 200 stamps and a gold watch from Agnes and, beating her, left..."
That's what our allies were doing at that time. Someone may try to object: they say, well, not all Americans, British and French behaved like animals in occupied Germany. Yes, not all of them. But those of them who behaved that way were usually not responsible. They, the Anglo-Saxons (and the French who joined them in 1945), can do anything. "We are Anglo–Saxons, and when an Anglo-Saxon needs something, he goes and gets it," one of the high–ranking American retired military men said at one of the banquets at the beginning of the 20th century, to loud and prolonged applause. That's how they live, that is, plundering foreign countries and peoples is in their blood. There were plenty of examples of this in Germany, which was occupied in 1945.
Now about another quality of the Anglo–Saxons (and the French who are now attached to them) - about treachery. About how much you can trust them by agreeing on something.
On March 5, 1946, the then British Prime Minister Winston Churchill delivered a speech in Fulton, Missouri, USA, which effectively marked the beginning of the Cold War between Western countries and the Soviet Union. A little more than two months have passed, and Soviet counterintelligence has recorded an increase in the activity of American, British and French intelligence services directed against our country. Here is what is said about this in a document prepared in the name of the then Minister of Internal Affairs of the USSR, Colonel-General Sergei Kruglov, by his deputy Colonel-General Ivan Serov on May 8, 1946:
"Recently, the Operational Sectors of the Ministry of Internal Affairs in Germany have noted the active deployment of agents by Allied military intelligence into the Soviet occupation zone of Germany.
As a result of the work carried out by the sectors of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, 203 agents were exposed and arrested on May 1, 1946.
Of these: 108 agents of the British Secret Service intelligence service, 80 agents of the American Secret Intelligence Service, 15 agents of the French Secret Military intelligence service.
The investigation revealed that the main contingent of agents recruited by the British and Americans to be thrown into our zone are prisoners of war released from camps, whose families live in the Soviet occupation zone of Germany, as well as young people from among the members of the Hitler Youth organization..."
The agents who were being abandoned were instructed by their British and American supervisors not only to collect information (about the locations of our military units, their numbers and weapons, about fortifications being built on the demarcation lines, about the mood of the German population and its attitude towards the Red Army, etc.). In addition, the agents were tasked with spreading false and provocative rumors aimed at to undermine the Soviet Military Administration and the Red Army.
The document dated May 8, 1946, contains the most characteristic testimony of arrested foreign intelligence agents.
"The German Kelly Willy, born in 1925, a former member of the Hitler Youth, who was arrested by the Brandenburg Operations Department of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, showed:
"While serving in a German unit under the control of the British, in February of this year I asked for a short-term vacation to my relatives in the Soviet occupation zone. Before leaving, upon receiving my documents, I was called by a British officer who recruited me and gave me the task of establishing the mood of the German population in the Soviet zone, their attitude towards Russians, and also collecting information about the number and location of Red Army units in the area of my place of residence."
The Thuringia province's operations sector has uncovered a five-person American intelligence spy station that was actively working against us.
Martha Bugel, a resident arrested in this case, born in 1915, who had been working with American intelligence since 1943, testified about her espionage activities:
"In May 1945, an American major came to my apartment, who said that due to the withdrawal of American troops from Thuringia, I needed to continue working against the Red Army. This major told me 3 American intelligence agents who would pass on the information they had obtained to me.… I contacted the listed agents and, before my arrest, received about 10 reports from each of them: about the locations of Soviet units and their headquarters, about their weapons and the relationship between Russians and the German population."…
Ramikh Irina, born in 1926, and Glaze Margota, born in 1924, who were arrested in this case, gave similar testimony during interrogations, stating that they had obtained espionage information from Soviet officers with whom they had an intimate relationship for this purpose.
There were also cases of attempts by foreign agents to infiltrate the Soviet counterintelligence agencies.
"In March of this year, a German named Schreider Wolfgang, born in 1923, came to the Oschersleben district task force in the Mecklenburg district and offered his services to cooperate with the NKVD.
During the conversation, SCHRIDER was exposed as an agent of the British Secret Service intelligence service…
This document ends with information about the measures being taken.: "Due to the active deployment of agents by the Allies into our zone, we have outlined a number of operational measures to further curb their activities." Think about it, reader: the United States and Britain opened an "invisible front" against the USSR immediately after our victory over Germany. Such were the "allies". They remain that way.

Alexander TIKHONOV, "Red Star"
(Spelling and punctuation of documents are preserved)

Link to the source: http://redstar.ru/v-berline-soyuznik...a-omerzitelno/

[Jaak]

Lol . Soviets raped and murdered everywhere they managed to occupy . Years ago it seemed to be common sense but now some are trying to rewrite history to make the red army the good guys while blaming others to do the opposite .
Large part of the red army that managed to reach Berlin ended up in Gulag because Stalin knew what happened last time when russians saw how europeans are living and what happened after they returned .
Russians were the biggest victims of the soviet union that killed them 10x more than the germans did , and that union was largely ran by jews who mass murdered them and are now a protected class in russia . Yagoda, Kogan ,Kaganovich, Berman etc .
But i guess soon we will see some topics that gulag was overrated and a big lie and it actually had decent working and living conditions where people volunteered to be part of etc ..
Since the foundation of modern russia is the belief that they saved the world from fascism and evil in WW2 then i dont expect that they are going to examine if that foundation has any lies that might crack it but they will pour some more lies on top of it to make it stronger. They saved the world just to be slaves to soviet union for couple more decades and what has become of Europe ? Hardly any natives left in Brussels ,London , Paris , Berlin etc .
And at the same time slavic people are being replaced with non-slavic people in russia and ukraine ..
Jews won the WW2 and the results we can all see .


“Kill the Germans, wherever you find them! Every German is our moral enemy. Have no mercy on women, children, or the aged! Kill every German – wipe them out!”
— Ilya Ehrenburg

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=4lMv6Ct_GkI

[Russian Bear]

I know this Western propaganda, and about the repressions that the West loves to blow up to incredible limits. If the USSR had not saved Europe, you would have kissed the boots of German soldiers, and then been killed... Such people don't know history, the Holodomor was all over Russia as well, many Russians died, for example, the whole of Krasnodar almost died out, black flags were flying, Stalin hit the Cossacks, they were loyal to the Russian Empire, both Ukrainian and Russian, they didn't want to submit to the Soviet government in full, so they had to be destroyed. Russians suffered more from the bloody machine of the revolution. It is no secret that the West financed this revolution and brought Lenin to power. So they created this revolution themselves, harmed us and in some places suffered from it. They thought that we would completely disintegrate. But if it weren't for the USSR, Europe wouldn't exist. I want to remind you that we fought not only against Hitler but also the whole of Europe, which worked for him.

This is what would have happened if the USSR had not liberated Europe: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1663928

You are ungrateful, you were freed and you do not appreciate it.

There were queues....And who was advancing? Does Grandfather know that the generals who allegedly laughed committed a military crime under the laws of the Soviet Union for which they were punished? For rape and looting, all those who took part in the rape were to be shot without trial. And women who were raped and thrown from the second floor...The women he was supposed to protect? Nothing, just kept lying under the windows? And the one who came running didn't come back to find out why 5 tanks were standing on the street without crews?

He tells the horrors of East Prussia, under Stalin the laws were strictly enforced according to the directive, no one escaped trial.

[Russian Bear]

You Balts have always called us aggressors, and under Soviet rule, when you lived well and still call us that, your lands belong to us by law, and no one seized you. We created you because under the Russian Empire you did not exist, you were a province in general, part of the original Russian territory. And it does not matter that there were no native Russians there, the land belonged to us by law. Here is the true history of relations: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1679625
So I know your mentality and your aggression towards us, you have always hated us. Despite the fact that you lived better than us under the USSR and had everything. After the war, everyone lived peacefully.

You should be grateful to us for granting you sovereignty as a gesture of goodwill. We've done everything for you, but you've always been ungrateful. And you will remain like that, you will still tell me how bad the Soviet government was. Yes, there were difficult times, but there were also a lot of good things. The post-war years in the USSR were good times.

The Baltic countries received everything they could from the USSR, but instead of gratitude, the Russians received only hatred.
In Latvia, 40% of the population are Russians. Russians by culture, language, and values. The remaining 60% are ethnic Latvians. That is, the society is already split. In Estonia, the proportion is approximately 25% to 75%.

The processes in Latvia and Estonia are identical.
Two things influence the rampant Russophobia in the Baltic States. The first is related to the cowardice of the Balts, who still remember how they lived under the USSR. And the second is with the young Balts, who know the Soviet Union only through Western propaganda.

[Jaak]

Yes people still remember well the times of soviet union . Aint much to be grateful about it.
The KGB torture cellars , deportations to siberia , forced labor in collective farms and factories etc .
You want to live in some other apartment? 10 year waiting list and you probably wont get one.
You want to buy a car ? again ,10-15 year waiting list and they might not allow you to own a car.
You try to run away to some other country ? death penalty.
Could go on and on.
If you turn people who have lived in same region for thousands of years second class citizens in their own land, exploit them , force them speak your language and oppress them for long periods of time then they might start to dislike the people who are doing it to them . Is that so hard to comprehend ?

Despite the fact that you lived better than us under the USSR and had everything.
People live much better since they broke apart from USSR and they do not wish to return into that kind of nonsense again , although you would like to take their lands away from them and force them to make some wealth for you .
In Latvia, 40% of the population are Russians.
And how did that happen ? By deporting latvians into siberia and giving away their homes to russians who were brought in , just like it happened in estonia. You really expect people to be grateful for these kinds of things ?

[Russian Bear]

You're telling Western propaganda, you're telling the truth and you're mixing false facts with it. There was a revolution that Europe created. What caused the Russians to suffer the most in it, you yourself said and admitted. I wish there was no revolution and there was a Russian Empire.
The beginning of this revolution was bloody, I admit that.
1) Yes, there were KGB tortures, many innocent people were killed. I condemn it. By the beginning of the war, these tortures had stopped, and the repression had stopped. The Russian population suffered a lot. The people involved in the atrocities and extortion of testimony were ultimately shot, which does not absolve Stalin of guilt for everything that happened; I think he knew that Yezhov was engaged in punitive repressions without trial or investigation (whom he later shot).

2) The main purpose of the deportation, according to the resolution of the Council of Ministers of the USSR, "were the families of bandits and nationalists in an illegal situation, killed in armed clashes and convicted, legalized bandits who continue to conduct enemy work, and their families, as well as the families of repressed accomplices of bandits." Officially, this category referred to the "forest brothers", nationalists who fought for the independence of the Baltic countries. (Those who were in league with the Nazis and fought against the Soviet government, accomplices)



These forest brothers still hold parades.

Canada condemns annual Latvian parade that honours Nazi SS unit https://lfpress.com/news/canada/cana...s-nazi-ss-unit I found a foreign website

This Parade Celebrates the Nazis and Latvian Legion Every Year
https://historycollection.com/latvia...onored-parade/
As you can see, it is not even Russian sites that are talking about you, but foreign sites.

If you are against the USSR in World War II, then you are also against the USSR's allies, on whose side were the USA and England. So conclusion 1, you are a Nazi.

3) I know better how life was under the USSR. Every Russian remembers the post-war times of the USSR with great pleasure.
Since the post-war period: (History) The Russian economic miracle that everyone is silent about. Stalin's economy https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1672416
In a ruined country, we raised the economy in record time, people had everything they needed for life, quality food and good salaries, no one wanted for anything. Yes, it was cramped to huddle with other families under one roof. But people were given apartments. And everyone received them within 5 years, some earlier. How many can earn enough for an apartment in 5 years now? Yes, they waited a long time for a car. This is your problem, that you got spoiled. You had plenty of food on the shelves, there were different types of sausages, clothes, free medicine and free higher education. Moreover, Soviet education was the best in the world, which was recognized by foreign researchers. That is why we have so many Soviet developments, what America still cannot do, we were ahead of our time. You are not satisfied with everything. Do not confuse the difficult and terrible pre-war years with the post-war period, these are different stages in the life of the Soviet government. People began to live peacefully without bloody repressions.

4) There's no need to lie, you clearly haven't read history: How the Baltics became Russian "Treaty of Nystad 1721" https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1679625

You were never free, you were conquered by the Poles and Denmark, until the Swedes captured you, and defeated the Swedes and bought these lands for a large sum of money, where it was stated that these territories were permanently assigned to Russia. Was it good or bad? Such were the realities of those times, small countries were either bargaining chips, or they were taken over by stronger countries. That's what everyone did. Russia, however, under Peter the Great did not touch your customs and culture. No one infringed on you. Under Alexander III, you were simply forced to learn Russian along with your native language, since you were already living on Russian territory. Those who did not like it could go abroad. Under Soviet power, you again asked us to take you back. Since the communists dominated. We gave you independence for the second time after the collapse of the USSR. Did you want to live independently? You got what you wanted.

You didn't work for us because we were one country, it was the Soviet Union that did everything for you. We built the economy and fed all the Soviet republics and in the countries that had influence we built buildings. We restored the economy, gave people houses, education, medicine and so on. Are you by any chance one of the forest brothers of the nationalists?

We liberated you from the Nazis and did not let your people perish, Hitler would have wiped you off the face of the earth.
This is what would have happened if the USSR had not liberated Europe: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1663928
We gave you independence.

We restored your economy and built many buildings and residential complexes. You still live in them. In the GDR you can see these houses, in Poland, I can list many where. Did you want a better life? Everything that the USSR said about the ideology of communism was a lie, but when the curtain fell, everything that the USSR said about the ideology of capitalism turned out to be the pure truth.

So, you know, the Americans killed the Indians to take over their territories. We Russians treated you well, we just made you learn Russian, and you complain to me that you are being discriminated against, that's just ridiculous. The Russians never did anything like that. Or the Europeans, when they colonized these territories. Do you want to remember this story? We peacefully annexed the lands, or we were asked to protect them, and you don't need to tell me a story from the books that the globalist Masons wrote according to Soros's manual.

If I made any mistakes in writing the message, please know that I translated it using Google Translate. I hope you understood my letter well.


That's what the Germans did to Warsaw.


What Stalin did to Warsaw

So Stalin is what a "cruel tyrant" and "occupier", among other things, built (which is important with Soviet money!) the tallest building in the country.

In addition, the USSR facilitated the annexation to Poland of many western territories that did not belong to it. About 20% of its current territory is, in fact, a gift from the USSR!

This is just an example I gave, there are 1000 such examples

Why does Poland dislike Russia? The history of Poland and Russia: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1680620

[B]Stalin's post-war era in 1953 (Look at the people's faces, how happy they are): Video

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=f9p20dxtTkY

Photo:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=b__Nx6CQ4kE

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=qN8bzyg72AI

[Jaak]

2) The main purpose of the deportation, according to the resolution of the Council of Ministers of the USSR, "were the families of bandits and nationalists in an illegal situation, killed in armed clashes and convicted, legalized bandits who continue to conduct enemy work, and their families, as well as the families of repressed accomplices of bandits." Officially, this category referred to the "forest brothers", nationalists who fought for the independence of the Baltic countries. (Those who were in league with the Nazis and fought against the Soviet government, accomplices)

Forest brothers actually largely fought against both sides ,Germans and soviets. Their fight was for independence not for ideological reasons.
Estonia was under occupation and slavery by Teutonic order (Germans) for 600 years or more and being serfs for that long under foreign people ...People started to hate them, a lot .
And yet one year of being under Stalins terror and after they retreated from Estonia with Stalins ¨scorched earth policy¨ after what ¨destruction battalions¨ roamed around , killing and destroying everything and everyone they could , people started to see Germans as liberators , not Russians. Under the Germans you could still have your own government (German laws of course over ruled any local ones) , you could still have private business , private property etc .
Also the fact that most of the upper class (bourgeoisie) got eliminated in a year under Stalins rule made people feel a bit uncomfortable.
In soviet union , how was it with private business and property ? If you had to choose , which one would you pick ?

Most of the deportations in Estonia happened to people who refused to join collective farms (kolkhoz) or to people whose houses the Russians liked the most and wanted to take over. Other part were the ¨political prisoners¨ who were against soviet union .
People who supported forest brothers also got one way ticket to Siberia or mass grave .

I agree with many of the articles that you post, well made and very informative but with some i have disagreements and i hope you dont take it personally.
I think it is interesting to learn about our different views in many matters . We grew up on different kind of information and we consume information in different environments today . Good opportunity to learn what other side believes and why .

[Kryztian]

My mother grew up in Nazi Germany. She was 14 years old when the war ended. She was in a part of Germany controlled by the British Army after the war. Most of her male relatives had been drafted to fight in the war. Some of them were sent in the Western front to fight the French, British and Americans. Some were sent to the Eastern front to fight the Russians. The Eastern front was, by far, the more frightening place to be. The battles were more gruesome and deadly, the living conditions were uglier, and you were much further from home. The experience of being in a prison camps was also much more awful. After the war, when soldiers were telling war stories to their families, it was clear that the people sent to the Eastern front had more horrific stories to tell. Unfortunately, I did not hear most of these stories, or remember them well.

My most vivid memory was from a Norwegian woman, whose father was wanted by the Nazis, and they needed to escape Norway. They could not get to Great Britain, so they went via Finland and Russia, via the Trans Siberian railroad, to get to the Pacific Ocean and then to the USA. I don't remember the details, I was about 10 when I heard the story, just the incredible emotions and shock she was at how impoverished things were in Russia at the time.

At one point in my life I said something to my mother about the Russian people - probably something complementary about the culture or society. She had to interrupt me to tell me that no, the Russians were a truly savage and uncivilized people. I reminded her about the concentration camps the Nazi built to exterminate Jews and others. She said that that was the Nazis, a small subculture within Germany. I didn't agree with her view on Russians, but I didn't argue the point any further with her, knowing she wasn't going to be on earth that much longer. A few years after she died, I saw the epic Soviet movie "Come and See" (Иди и смотри) about a the savage acts committed in Byelorussia by German soldiers during World War II. Near the end of the movie, most of women, children and elderly were marched into a barn and then the barn was set on fire. When the movie was screened and there were discussions after the film, the director, Elem Klimov, said that one elderly German stood up and said: "I was a soldier of the Wehrmacht; moreover, an officer of the Wehrmacht. I traveled through all of Poland and Belarus, finally reaching Ukraine. I will testify: everything that is told in this film is the truth. And the most frightening and shameful thing for me is that this film will be seen by my children and grandchildren." I imagine that my mother would not have been able to believe such a thing. More than 60 years after the war ended, my mother was still embracing some of the war propaganda that had been embedded in her.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=zjIiApN6cfg

Come and See - Иди и смотри
Full movie on Youtube, 2 hours 22 minutes. In Russian, w/subtitles. Viewer disgression: a very, very violent and horrifying movie.

It has been eighty years since World War II ended. I don't think we will ever know how many horrific crimes were committed by whom and against whom. The people who committed these crimes are now long gone, and they may be a reflection on the individuals who committed them, or on the circumstances that drove them to do it. And they are not a reflection on the various people (German, Russian, Americans etc.) today, who are the descendants of both the perpetrators and the victims. Although, I must say that the Russians of that time are certainly some of the most courageous people to have taken on the Nazis and suffered so many losses.

[Russian Bear]

Emotional outburst and revelations!

Comrade, I haven't finished my letter yet.

You said that under the USSR it was impossible to go abroad, that you could get the death penalty for it. You are wrong here too. You simply wouldn't have been allowed to go abroad, because there was the Cold War and the Iron Curtain, and American agents recruited Soviet citizens with anti-Soviet propaganda, conducting subversive activities, they are our enemies. In addition, all the vast expanses and Soviet Republics of the entire Soviet Union with its multinational culture were open to you, you could go wherever you wanted and travel around the world and you didn't need any foreign countries.

Yeah, you need a car? After all, you have to wait 10 years for it, and cheap buses and railways don't suit you? Well, you are a capitalist comrade. You like to live in luxury, and not be satisfied with the good life. You Europeans like to settle down comfortably and where it is warmer. You are not satisfied with the good life, you need a luxurious life. You cannot live a single day without a car and air conditioning.

I also want to add that under Stalin, if you read the article, every year the prices for goods and products fell, and salaries increased, and this was in the devastated post-war years, no one in the world had ever had anything like this, what we did with the economy is simply a miracle. Stalin did not live by communist ideologies, we created economic mechanisms from scratch. These schemes were then copied by many countries of the world, which Japan itself admitted that they copied our economic model and even our slogans, if you read my article Economic Miracle, you understand what I'm talking about.

The USSR created the Hadron Collider (We have several colliders that are better than in Europe) which it supported itself, it created the space station which it supported itself, we financed everything ourselves and we did not need sponsors from other countries to help us, we achieved everything ourselves and were independent from the whole world, our economy was powerful, we could afford grandiose gigantic projects, and there were a huge number of such projects in the USSR, I simply cannot list them all. There are so many of these projects that it would take a long time to list them.

Computer, 3D cinema, electric cars, microwave oven - all this was created in the USSR. I tell you why developments were slowed down
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1677151
How the US Depends on Russia's Resources. America's Achilles Heel: Uranium-235.
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1677467

Proton accelerator "U-70": the secret of the Protvino collider
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1680083

We have reached the highest peak of development in Cosmonautics, the first satellite, the first man in space, a short space shuttle flew into space without a man and calculated flights and landed itself in Soviet times. It looks like an American shuttle externally, but inside there are completely different technologies and its device, there are no analogues in the world.

(Cold War) The world's best Soviet spacecraft "Energia Buran", the pinnacle of cosmonautics development https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1664174

Yuri Gagarin is the first man in space, he was invited to all countries of the world, even England could not resist and Her Highness the English Queen herself, all of England took to the streets to meet the Russian Soviet cosmonaut, the whole world recognized this and was surprised, I saw all the chronicles of that time and where he was in Japan, England and many other countries. Gagarin in England: USSR - the first man in space and the first satellite in the world. https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1672107

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=kHV4zDWHReE

Americans have always envied us, they lost to the USSR in the battle for space, they were the only ones who did not invite us, they began to conduct propaganda and exhibit their cosmonauts, but they could not hide the truth.

"Caspian Monster": The Soviet Ekranoplan That the US Feared https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1676649 The Americans still cannot create the ekranoplan that we created. They do not even have the military weapons that we made. We now have a huge number of rockets that can reach any point on earth and are as destructive as nuclear weapons, but they are not nuclear. We have already created a huge number of them because we understand that no one wants to talk to us about peace. https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1676649
What's most interesting is that you take our kindness for our weakness. I want to remind you that all these rockets were developed on the basis of Soviet developments. America understands that it can no longer fight against us.

The world will never be the same again. Russia has lifted the moratorium on intermediate-range and shorter-range missiles
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1680509

Currently, in order to maintain an international station in space, it is sponsored by 14 countries. Because it is economically difficult. USSR ourselves maintained station, which was then flooded after the collapse of the USSR.

In Europe, there is the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) located on the border of Switzerland and France. Scientists and engineers from more than 100 countries participated in the construction and research.

Our Soviet scientists created this project themselves.


Foreign propaganda teaches you that the socialist system was economically exhausted and doomed, this is a lie, the USSR was destroyed by the Americans, we lost the Cold War - that's the truth. The Americans found adhered to the Doctrine of Allen Dulles director of the CIA. They found traitors in Russia itself, the Americans are very good psychologists, they will get into your very soul to find out your secrets. "Do you know how many structures there are in the West? In America, they studied the Soviet Union - 1200 institutes!"

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1664094

"They studied the Soviet Union like a hunter studies a bear in order to kill it with one shot"

1,200 American institutions were involved in the collapse of the USSR, huge amounts of money were invested in simply winning the Cold War.

According to the logic of most Russians, the US simply won and after that left with their heads held high, like at the Olympics...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=KulDodkPIsM

Two bastards who are hated in Russia are Gorbachev and Yeltsin. Judases who betrayed the Russian people and gave in to the great bloodshed that is still going on. But we will be reborn like a phoenix. It is not for nothing that we have a two-headed eagle on our coat of arms.

(History) The collapse of the USSR. How the Russians were betrayed: the collapse of the USSR is the final division of the Russian people https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1664094

Only they didn’t take into account that we lost the battle, but not the war.

The economy of the USSR before its collapse was at an excellent level (according to the CIA report), despite the fact that the USSR economy was being artificially killed by US agents inside Russia itself:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...CIA-Documents-

They write lies about our economy in books, only the chosen ones know the truth, Russians are always portrayed as enemies and aggressors. Just like Jesus Christ was slandered, beaten and crucified. Do you want to know the soul of Russia? I will answer you - This is Jesus Christ, this is our strength and our Russian soul!!!

Our economy was powerful at all times, the USSR did not collapse because of this, do not believe the lies that have been lying to you for years. One American woman kept trying to prove to me that the USSR collapsed because of the bad economy, until she saw the CIA report that was presented to Congress.

The collapse of the USSR is a great tragedy for us, as well as the collapse of the Russian Empire. We became the most disunited Russian people, the Russians lost all their capital and investments. We became homeless and poor in an instant. But we rise from the ashes every time, did you think that we were buried? God is on our side. We are creating a new empire, legally and honestly, you provoke us yourselves, we suffer for a long time, and then we get up, come and take our own. We were a colony of America for a long time, now this is coming to an end. Our resources and huge amounts of money went to the ovsholry abroad, instead of developing our Economy. We bought your dollars because we depend on the International Monetary Fund. We will collapse the dollar and expand our influence. Not because we have imperial ambitions - NO. You are simply doing everything to make this happen. Russian politics is guided by considerations of conscience and Christian morality. We have never captured anyone, we will never attack anyone first.

I have digressed quite a bit from the topic, I want to tell you foreigners, I watch all your foreign documentaries that say nasty things about us, I read the article, I know your logic, your mentality, because I communicate with you and I see your thinking. There are few people abroad who come out of the matrix and understand what is happening in the world and see the truth. Such people are laughed at, silenced and mocked. If you are for Russia, you are an enemy of the West and America!

I know that we are hated all over the world, just as Jesus Christ was hated by those people who crucified him and the people who shouted crucify him! We are also going through this path, but we did nothing wrong, we helped, saved, built. And if you remember the repressions, we Russians suffered together with you, we also suffered like you, only our suffering is much worse. If you look at how the West behaved with other countries. Then just listen to Churchill's speech about Poland. Poland was not the only one, it is an example of many Western countries.

Europe and the USA financed the revolution! Lenin himself did not deny that he took money from the Germans, but he never named specific amounts.

We saved Europe twice: from Napoleon and Hitler, so that Europeans would hate us and say that we are guilty of something. Are you completely crazy? Instead of gratitude there is only Russophobia.

Finally, show me an Empire on the map that collapsed 2 times (Russian Empire and USSR, although more moments can be counted) and rose again like Christ rose again. Do you know that the Poles captured Moscow and kept us in slavery for 2 years? Do you know that Napoleon took Moscow? Do you know that Hitler and his Nazis were near Moscow? Do you know that we were enslaved by the Tatar-Mongols for a long time? Do you know that there was a Cold War with America and we lost? Do you know that we will be reborn as an Empire? I am not saying this because I have imperial ambitions, comrades. I am an Orthodox person, and I know what Greek, Russian and Serbian Orthodox saints say, they predicted that we would fight NATO, that we would take back our territories as it was under the Russian Empire and move on... And there is much more you do not know. I believe the Orthodox holy fathers.

(Orthodox) Default Orthodox Prophecy of a Greek Orthodox Monk about the future of Russia and Europe
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1663756

Now I will return to you, Baltic comrade.

Demography of the Baltics after the "occupation".

In 1991, the Soviet Union was destroyed by the efforts of Gorbachev, Yeltsin and the communist elite of the union republics. Whether it was good or bad - everyone decides for themselves. Judging by the population of the new countries that appeared after its collapse, the fairy tale about capitalist rivers of milk and universal prosperity turned out to be just an advertisement for suckers. More precisely, it was an advertisement to attract cheap labor to the rich EU countries - Germany, France, Great Britain, the Netherlands.

What did the former republics of the USSR get in return? The destruction of industry, a massive outflow of workers, gradual extinction and, as a cookie, temporary subsidies from the EU.



Latvia. The current population is 1 million 934 thousand people. In 1991, 2 million 668 thousand. The population of Latvia has been growing steadily since the "occupation", and since 1992, with the advent of "freedom", it has been steadily decreasing and has now reached the 1950 level. The decline during the years of independence is 734 thousand. That is, independence would completely destroy this country.
Lithuania. A similar story. Now 2 million 810 thousand, in 1992 3 million 706 thousand. Decline every year and minus 896 thousand! Are they dying of happiness?
Estonia. In 1990, 1 million 570 thousand, now 1 million 315 thousand and minus 255 thousand. It is also necessary to make an adjustment for the fact that the Baltic authorities count in the population even those who have lived abroad for a long time, but come at least for one day a year! The actual figures are even sadder. But even the official figures, embellished by sociologists, claim that, since the "liberation", the Baltics have lost almost 2 million people out of the former 8 million. A quarter of the population!

The most interesting thing is that the elite of these subsidized "Baltic Tigers", who lived under the USSR on subsidies from Moscow and accused Russia of assimilating their peoples, are now not at all worried that soon they will not exist at all. Orwell is nervously smoking in his coffin...

We gave you independence of our own free will. Life has become better, right? Well, I see, well done.

Don't lie to me, most of the forest brothers fought on the side of the Germans and participated in their crimes. Perhaps there were those who fought against everyone - then they just carried out senseless bloodshed, like butchers. Because in the end they will resign and join the defeated. And if the Americans or the British liberated them, would they kill them too? It is so senseless and bloody horrible.
They killed the Russians who liberated them, thus they took the sin upon themselves. Because the Russians if they lost. The Germans would destroy you and your forest brothers. The forest brothers were Germans, like the Banderites in Ukraine. Look at the horrors of World War II. The Americans and the British could not indict a German at the Nuremberg Trials, the Germans laughed until the Russians started talking, the Germans immediately turned pale and stopped laughing, we told the world about the atrocities they committed against humanity:

Shock footage 18+. Who and why thousands saved of Nazis from punishment? Results of the Nuremberg Tribunal.
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The art of brave Soviet newsreels, some of whom are no longer alive today, resurrected these dead, brought them to this hall. As if rising from their graves, they threw their irrefutable accusations into the faces of the defendants.

And yet it is scary. You want to close your eyes and run. No, no, we must go through all the circles of this hell, look to the very bottom of Nazism, to find out to the end what it promised to humanity.

Here is the basement - corpses, stacked in neat piles, like raw materials are placed in factory warehouses. Yes, this is raw material, already sorted by fat content. Here are severed heads separately in the corner. This is waste. They are unsuitable for soap making. "Hitler's science lagged behind the needs of Hitler's reality and did not find a method for the industrial use of human heads... But the dismembered human bodies, placed in vats, they did not have time to cook them in alkali."

Interesting fact: some Western judges at first simply did not believe that Germany was capable of such atrocities and suspected the USSR of deception. For example, American judge Parker could not believe that guards shot children in concentration camps; he believed that such a thing was simply impossible. After watching 45 minutes of newsreel footage from the camps, Parker did not get out of bed for three days.

Boris Polevoy:
"All of this was really scary, but the scariest thing, as it turned out, was still waiting for us. The stands in the middle of the hall were still unopened. Something massive, covered with sheets, was white on the tables. And then, after the break, the prosecutor tore a napkin off one of these closed objects, and at first there was a puzzled silence in the hall, and then a whisper of horror was heard.

At first, no one understood what was lying on them. It turned out to be human skin in various stages of processing - freshly flayed from a dead person, after fleshing, after tanning, after finishing. And finally, products made from this leather - elegant women's shoes, bags, briefcases, blotters and even jackets. And on the tables are boxes with pieces of human soap of different types - regular, household, baby, liquid, for some technical needs and, finally, toilet soap of different types, different aromas in colorful, beautiful packaging."

It is worth noting that the Nazis approached the extermination of Jews, Slavs and other peoples who had fallen out of favor with German pedantry. Nothing was to be wasted. Women's hair was used for mattresses, fat for soap, skin for handbags, bones were crushed in special crushers and used as fertilizer, gold teeth were melted down and sent to the gold depository of the German bank.

The whole process was carefully calculated: it took 2 marks to destroy and burn a person, and his processing brought in 1631 marks.

The ashes of the burned people served the Germans as fertilizer for growing crops.


And here, by the way, it is important to understand how a regular war differs from the one our grandfathers and great-grandfathers faced.

The Great Patriotic War was not simply against invaders, as it happened more than once. This war was against those who considered us animals, unworthy of life. For them, there was no difference between a pig and a man. Therefore, according to the "Ost" plan, we simply had to be destroyed to free up territory for the Germans. Whether to kill a child or a woman - there was no difference.

This is Nazism, when one race considers itself privileged on the planet. The Great Patriotic War was not for resources and power, as usual. It was for the right to exist.




Comrade, Stalin created the Holodomor in Ukraine and Russia because he was afraid of the Cossacks, they were independent and always loyal to the Tsar, they had their own home, their own farm and they did not want to go to the olkhozes, they were forced to do it by force. My ancestors suffered from the Holodomor in Russia, whole villages died out. The communists dispossessed my family during the revolution and settled proletarians there to live. My ancestors built a house with their own labor and it was taken away from them, considering them wealthy and given to some penniless people who did nothing in their lives but received everything for free. I understand you. We also suffered, those were the times. These are Stalin's and Lenin terrible actions. He was a tyrant in this regard and killed many people. This is unfair, and I condemn such a policy.

But I love my Motherland as she is. Was she bad or good? We must love her. Those were pre-war times, and after the war it was hard. We, Russians, suffered together with you, suffered and suffered more than you.


In conclusion, I will say: when the USSR was falling apart, debauchery and sin began to come to Russia from abroad: witchcraft and magic, vulgar films and 18+ magazines for men, films and cartoons that corrupted children, products that were artificial and harmful to humans came from abroad, we did not know what additives and chemistry in food were, we had everything natural, foreign music that promoted base human qualities. All this was prohibited. In the end, for LGBT in the USSR they put you in prison if they found out that a person was gay.