Why does Poland dislike Russia?

[Russian Bear]

Russia and Poland - two neighbours, but not always on the best of terms! The history of the two countries has been full of conflict and political intrigue for centuries, long periods of war giving way to peaceful interludes. The Polish Imprint chronicles the many dramatic historical events and figures behind the centuries-old confrontation between these two Slavic nations. Why were the Poles the first to take up arms and invade Kievan Rus? What role did the struggle against the Mongol invaders play in the relations between the Slavic nations? What caused the Poles to kill Russians in the streets of Warsaw in the late eighteenth century? How did the partitions of Poland between other countries lead to its disappearance? How did the Poles begin to get close to the Russian imperial court, and how did they influence Russian policy in the early nineteenth century? How did Napoleon Bonaparte’s rise to power in France influence the relations between Russia and Poland? Why did the Poles, with French support, attack Russia? How and why did Napoleon disappoint the Poles, and the Poles disappoint Napoleon? How did Poland eventually rise up from oblivion, and what role did the Russian rulers play in this process?

This fascinating two-hour documentary addresses all these questions and presents an evolution of the often turbulent relations between Russia and Poland, covering an entire era, from the times of Grand Prince Vladimir of Kiev to the reigns of Catherine the Great and Tsars Paul I and Alexander I.

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Type: film
Genre: historical documentary
Year of production: 2017
Number of episodes: 2
Directed by: Anastasia Popova

Poland, which is being compared to a hyena by the famous British Prime Minister Winston Churchill. By the way, Winston Churchill, according to polls, is the greatest man in the history of Great Britain. That is, he is one of the most authoritative personalities of the Anglo-Saxon world.


Winston Churchill was Prime Minister of Great Britain in 1940-1945 and 1951-1955.

And in 1939, this politician compared Poland's behavior to a hyena: "Britain, leading France, offers to guarantee the integrity of Poland—the very Poland that just six months ago, with the greed of a hyena, took part in the robbery and destruction of the Czechoslovak state."

Modern Poland is located in the very center of Europe.


Modern Poland is located in the very center of Europe

With a population of 37 million people, 96% of whom are Poles who are Slavs. These are the descendants of the Western Glades tribe. By the way, hence the name "Poland" - fields, meadows, Poland. And Poles are called "Lyakhs" because of another West Slavic tribe that inhabited Poland - the Lendzian.

As you know, Russia is also a country with a predominantly Slavic population. And in fact, our countries are considered fraternal. But the relations between the states are far from fraternal.

As an example, 600,000 Soviet soldiers died during the liberation of Poland during World War II, and today Poland is one of the leaders in demolishing Soviet monuments, i.e. monuments to those who liberated them from Nazi Germany.

In 2017, the law on decommunization came into force in Poland.

And this is before the well-known events in Ukraine. Even before the Crimean events, relations between the two countries were tense.

In 1999, Poland joined NATO, allowed the installation of an American missile defense system aimed at Russia; in 2008, when Georgia attacked South Ossetia and the Russian military, Polish President Lech Kaczynski personally flew to Tbilisi and supported Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili, who, by the way, was later imprisoned by the Georgian authorities themselves.

We can recall the attack of Polish nationalists on Russian football fans in 2012.

In 2013, Poles attacked the Russian embassy, pelted it with flares, bottles and set fire to a guard booth.

Well, after 2014 and even more so in 2022, Russophobia in Poland simply began to flow like a fountain.

According to an international survey conducted in June 2022, only 2% of Poles have a positive attitude towards Russia, and 97% have a negative attitude towards Russia, which means that the most negative indicator towards Russia of all countries. In other words, it turns out that the most hostile country in the world towards Russia is fraternal Poland.

She is at the forefront of sanctions against Russia: productions of plays based on Chekhov's works, Mussorgsky's opera based on Pushkin's drama Boris Godunov, performances of music by Tchaikovsky, Scriabin, Prokofiev, Stravinsky, Shostakovich, etc. are officially banned in theaters and concerts in Poland.

Our diplomats cannot even lay flowers at the cemetery of the Soviet soldiers who, at the cost of their lives, liberated Poland from the Nazi invaders. So on May 9, 2022, Sergei Andreev, the Russian ambassador to Poland, who arrived at the Soviet military cemetery in Warsaw, was doused with paint. And in general, Russian diplomats are being terrorized, buildings are being taken away.

Poland is constantly suing Russia, demanding some kind of compensation, seizing Russian property, and President Duda is proposing to demand reparations from Russia. And there are a lot of such examples. They even sued Russia for the fact that Russia does not sell them gas as cheaply as they would like.

Due to this position of Poland, there is talk that the Polish army is preparing for a direct confrontation with Russia on the territory of Ukraine.

And the strangest thing about this story is that this aggression has no logical justification at all: neither Poland nor Russia have any territorial claims against each other. We have a common border - it's only 232 km in the Kaliningrad region and that's it.


The joint border of Russia and Poland is 232 km in the Kaliningrad region.

That is, in fact, we don't even really border on Poland. The territories that Poland covertly considers its own are located in Belarus and Ukraine.

There are no significant events between us to breed Russophobia to such an extent. Yes, they fought before (as will be discussed later); yes, the Poles eventually lost to the Russians in the confrontation. But Poland has also fought with the West many times. And nothing. They're more or less friends. And here, in principle, is a similar country, only with a fraternal people. Moreover, the last war with the West, the Poles brought great grief. And it was Russia that saved Poland in this war! And not only saved, but also helped to recover. That is, the attitude of Poles towards Russians is one of the strangest, illogical geopolitical phenomena.

This raises logical questions: why do Poles hate Russians so much? Will there be a war between Poland and Russia? And what is the future of relations between our countries?

To answer these questions, let's quickly go through the chronology of events.

Poland. HISTORICAL BACKGROUND

The statehood of Poland has the same age as the statehood of Russia. Russian Russians and Poles are two fraternal peoples who went their separate ways: Russians - to the east, Poles - to the west.

Even when it comes to religion. In 988, Russia was baptized by the Greek (eastern) part of the church, Orthodoxy, and Poland was baptized by the Roman (later Catholic) Church in 966.
That is, the Russian Slavs are Orthodox Christians, and the Poles are Slavs-Catholics.

From the same time, from the end of the 1st century, the wars between Russia and Poland began. For example, for the cities of Cherven, which are located on the territory of Western Ukraine, Belarus and Eastern Poland. The city of Cherven itself is located today in Poland and is considered ancient Russian. It's about whose land it is.



Then the Poles came to Kiev with the war and completely wiped it off the face of the earth. It was later rebuilt by Yaroslav the Wise. By the way, Yaroslav the Wise is the greatest Ukrainian, according to Ukrainians themselves (the vote was held in 2008). In Russia, Alexander Nevsky is such a person. By the way, a descendant of Yaroslav the Wise.

The peak of Poland's power can be called the time when it united with the Principality of Lithuania in the 16th century and captured many territories of Kievan Rus. At that time, it included the lands of modern Belarus, Ukraine and Russia.


The peak of Poland's power can be called the time when it united with the Principality of Lithuania in the 16th century and captured many territories of Kievan Rus



Around the same time, at the beginning of the 17th century, there was the famous Russian-Polish war, when the Poles captured Moscow and held it for 2 years, until they were defeated by the militia of Minin and Pozharsky.


Monument to Minin and Pozharsky on Red Square

Kuzma Minin saw the Russian Orthodox Monk St. Sergius of Radonezh three times in a dream with orders to assemble an army to liberate the Moscow state from its enemies.

According to this legend, for the first time Sergius said: "Collect the treasury, gather the people and lead them to Moscow." Minin woke up in fear, but decided that it was not his business to engage in military construction, and did not attach importance to what he saw.

The second time, the vision was repeated, but Minin remained of his opinion.

For the third time, Sergius appeared to him "with a rebuke" (threat) and said: "Did I not tell you about this, that it is the (God's) will of God's righteous destinies to have mercy on Orthodox Christians and deliver them from many rebellions and save them? For this reason, you need to collect the treasury and allocate military men so that (they), with God's help, can purge the Moscow state of godless Poles and expel heretics."

The last vision plunged Minin into such awe that he even fell ill, but he could no longer doubt and zealously set about the specified task.




Sergius of Radonezh is a great Russian Orthodox saint. One of the cases in the history of Russia when God saved Russia.
https://pravoslavie.ru/49093.html

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After that, difficult times began for Poland: it began to lose wars, and a national liberation uprising broke out in Ukraine led by Bohdan Khmelnytsky, who advocated rapprochement with Orthodox Russia rather than Polish Catholics. Poland began to weaken.

After another war with Poland, Russia regains Kiev and other territories that passed to Poland along with the Principality of Lithuania, which in turn seized these lands, taking advantage of Russia's weakness due to the Tatar-Mongol invasion.

Further, Poland began to be oppressed from all sides: on the one hand, Russia, on the other, Prussia (i.e., the Germans) and Austria (the same Germans). The first partition of Poland between these countries took place in 1772. Russia took over the native Russian territories, and Prussia and Austria annexed the ethnically Polish lands, plus Galicia, part of today's Western Ukraine. And about the question of whose territory this is, let me remind you that the city of Lviv, the capital of Galicia, which today is located on the territory of Ukraine, is named after Vladimir Lvovich, a prince from the Rurik dynasty.

So, after the partitions of Poland, the statehood of this country practically ceased to exist. And objectively speaking, Austria and Prussia, unlike Russia, did much more to defeat Poland. And it was they who proposed dividing Poland.
This is information for those who believe that Poland hates Russia because Russia simply turned out to be stronger and appropriated supposedly Polish lands. No. Everything is much more interesting. But more on that later.

Poland wanted to give revenge to Russia in 1812, when it joined Napoleon's war against Russia. But as we know, unsuccessfully. In order to avoid future threats and tricks from the Poles, as a result of the Napoleonic Wars, Poland became part of the Russian Empire and stayed there until the First World War. During the First World War, Germany created a puppet Russophobic government in Poland and actively used it against our country.

After the end of the First World War, the victorious countries - France and Britain - created an independent Poland, headed by Jozef Pilsudski, who, of course, was a fierce Russophobe and dreamed of returning Poland to its former power.


Jozef Pilsudski

Taking advantage of the weakness of Russia, which actively participated in the First World War, which saw two revolutions and a civil war, Polish President Pilsudski provoked the outbreak of the Soviet-Polish war in 1920. This war ended in defeat for Soviet Russia. And the Poles, violating international law, simply occupied parts of Western Belarus and Ukraine.

And here it is important to clarify about international law: the fact is that at the end of the First World War, Russia was not among the winners due to the fact that revolutions took place in it and it withdrew from the war before its end. And Poland was created, as it was said, by the victorious countries in this war. Not by Russia! They were the ones who determined where the borders should be, taking into account the national composition of the population. Roughly speaking, where Poles live, there is Poland. But as it was said, Poland did not agree with these borders and, in addition, seized considerable territories from Soviet Russia.

In general, Poland's behavior between the First and Second World Wars is the most interesting and revealing for us. It shows the spirit of this state.

So, Poland, which reappeared on the political map, attacked not only Soviet Russia during the interwar period. This country has managed to attack all its neighbors over the years and take away something valuable from them.

In the period from 1919 to 1921, Poland, under the leadership of Jozef Pilsudski, besides Soviet Russia, ruthlessly invaded and plundered the bloodless Germany and Lithuania.

In addition, as already mentioned, 96% of the inhabitants of Poland are ethnic Poles, i.e. the country is mono-ethnic. This is because the Poles are an extremely nationalistic people, and all the territories they have ever captured have been actively polluted: they have planted their faith, language and traditions there. And the leader of Poland, Pilsudski, was very happy when people of similar views came to power in Germany - the Nazis, led by Hitler.

It is very important to know that Poland, under Pilsudski's leadership, was the first country to conclude a peace treaty with Germany. This happened in 1934. Until 1939, Poland and Germany were extremely friendly countries: they organized joint parades and meetings. And when the head of Poland, Pilsudski, died, Hitler declared a day of mourning in Germany. And this "remarkable figure", to whom monuments are being erected today, is considered the father of the modern Polish nation. The founding father, a revered Pole who built the foundation of modern Poland, is in fact a Nazi and a close friend of Hitler.


Monument to Jozef Pilsudski (Warsaw)

Yes. Poland, like Germany, was a Nazi country. Until 1939, when this country itself became a victim of its friend, it was absolutely no different from Germany.


We can recall the statement of the Polish Ambassador to Germany. When Hitler told him that he wanted to send Jews to Africa to die out, he replied that if Hitler did this, the Poles would erect a magnificent monument to him in Warsaw.

In the mid-1930s, the slogan "Jews to Madagascar!" was proclaimed in Poland. The nationalists, with the help of mass deportation, proposed to rid the country "of Jewish influence."

Poland and Germany were very close friends, they shot joint films (for example, "The Path to Freedom"); they made plans for war with Russia. From the West as a whole, they looked at it and were touched.

In 1938, Hitler made territorial claims to the lands of Czechoslovakia. And the West, which believes that Hitler needs resources for a war with Russia, which has actively begun to strengthen, simply agreed with this. In fact, France and Great Britain betrayed Czechoslovakia by not stopping Hitler in his aggressive actions.

At that time, the Soviet Union wanted to help Czechoslovakia and send troops to help, but Poland did not allow it to do so - she did not let the Soviet army through and even threatened war. And all because Poland itself participated in the destruction of the Czechoslovak state and seized some lands for itself, just like Hitler.



And that's why Churchill compared Poland to a hyena. And even some sources indicate that the idea of dividing, and in fact destroying, Czechoslovakia belongs specifically to the Poles.

How Poland seized part of the Czech and Slovak lands in 1938 and dreamed of more https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1679635

The Soviet Union knew and saw everything perfectly well. I saw what predatory plans Hitler had and tried to create an anti-Hitler coalition in Europe. One of the main reasons why it was not possible to create an alliance against Nazi Germany was Poland's refusal to allow Soviet troops through its territory to subdue Hitler at the initial stage.

Moreover, Poland refused, even in the event of a German attack on Poland itself, to let Soviet troops through. Polish Foreign Minister Jozef Beck said that "with the Germans we risk losing our freedom, with the Russians we will lose our soul." Then the Poles, the common people, will regret such shortsightedness of their leadership a million times.

As a result, such a policy led to disastrous consequences for her. That's what the Germans did to Warsaw, the capital of Poland.,


That's what the Germans did to Warsaw.

6 million Poles were killed. That's the price of friendship with Nazi Germany!

The fact is that Germany at a certain stage put forward territorial claims to Poland itself, concerning the so-called Danzig corridor.


Germany has put forward territorial claims against Poland regarding the so-called Danzig corridor

But the Poles at that time had already begun to consider themselves an important center of power. Moreover, according to the plan of the West, Poland, along with Germany, was supposed to fight against Russia. In 1938, an agreement was reached between Poland and Germany on a possible joint war against the USSR. In general, a whole military alliance was founded. In September of the same year, the Polish Ambassador to France, Juliusz Lukasiewicz, stated: "Poland is ready for war with the USSR, shoulder to shoulder with Germany. The Polish government is confident that within three months the Russian troops will be completely defeated, and Russia will no longer represent even a semblance of a state."

In general, the Poles did not consider Hitler's claims to Danzig to be serious.

In addition, Poland's security was guaranteed by Great Britain and France, just as the United States is today. The policy of Great Britain was like this: Hitler appeared, a promising guy who needed to be sent to the east, to Russia. They said, "You and Poland are friends against the USSR. Don't quarrel on your own."

But Hitler began to play in his own way.: "Whatever it is," he says, "I don't care about this UK. I do what I want. Let Poland give us our territories." And he attacked Poland.

Next, Great Britain and France decided to show who is in charge here and declared war on Germany. But, of course, they did not fight. Thus began the Second World War. Until 1941, when Hitler attacked the USSR, it was called the "strange war" because no one really fought there. Everyone just buckled under the insolence of Germany, until the British establishment finally managed to send Hitler to the east, hinting that, they say, there are endless resources and territories for you there. We will not interfere. Which is exactly what happened.

Let me remind you that Great Britain and the United States opened a second front only in 1944, when the USSR had already practically defeated Germany. Interesting, right? They actually opened the second front in 1944, and formally began the war in 1939. In general, no one fought there even properly.

But let's go back to 1939, when the non-aggression treaty between the USSR and Germany was signed in Moscow. In the West today, they say that this treaty was the reason for the outbreak of World War II. Listening to such nonsense, historians are already tired of tapping their forehead with their hand.

Firstly, the USSR was the last country in Europe to sign such an agreement with Hitler. And let me remind you that Poland was the first.


List of countries that signed a non-aggression pact with Hitler

Russia's position on this issue. President of Russia, V.V. Putin's response:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1679633

Secondly, Germany developed a plan of attack on Poland even before the treaty with the USSR.
Thirdly, the cynicism of Great Britain and France is surprising: for them, the occupation of Czechoslovakia is not a war and aggression, but the occupation of Poland is. Why?
It is more correct to assume that the war began in 1938, when, with the approval of Great Britain and France, Hitler, along with Poland, seized part of Czechoslovakia.

Besides, as it was said, Stalin saw everything perfectly. I saw where the wind was blowing, and after it failed to create an anti-Hitler coalition due to the reluctance of Britain, France and Poland, the USSR went to sign an agreement with Germany.

Now there is one more important point. In 1939, the USSR, like Germany, sent troops into Poland. Because of this fact, Stalin and Hitler are also compared in the West. Like, how did the war start? Since the German attack on Poland. So at the same time, the USSR did something similar. And the Western man in the street has a picture in his head that is necessary for Russophobes.

But what really happened? In fact, the USSR did not send troops to Poland. He sent troops to the native Russian territories, which were captured by Poland in 1922. Therefore, this deployment of troops is called the "Liberation campaign of the Red Army." The army, which, by the way, was greeted there with flowers. Indeed, as liberators, since Poles considered Ukrainians and Belarusians to be second-class people: Orthodox churches were demolished on the occupied territory and national languages were banned.


The liberation campaign of the Red Army

Secondly, the USSR did not send troops at the same time as Hitler, but a few weeks later. And what is very important, Stalin did this when the legitimate government of Poland had already fled the country. In fact, Stalin sent troops to the native Russian territories once occupied by Poland, when the statehood of Poland itself ceased to exist and anarchy reigned there.

And most importantly, the Soviet Government did this in order to move the borders further west, which in 1941 may have saved the Soviet Union and the lives of tens of millions of people.

In 1945, it was the Red Army that liberated the territory of Poland from Nazi Germany, liberated concentration camps such as Auschwitz. Interestingly, various events are being held today on the day of the liberation of such camps, but Russia is not invited to these events. They just ignore their liberator!

As it was said, 600,000 Soviet citizens died liberating Poland, where Nazi Germany killed 6 million people. At that time, the Poles forgot their former enmity and greeted the Russians with tears of joy and flowers.

After the victory in World War II, as a result of agreements between the victorious countries, Poland moved under the protectorate of the USSR.
Already in 1945, the USSR handed over 40 thousand heads of cattle, 50 thousand young animals, 40 thousand sheep, 20 thousand pigs, 150 thousand tons of flour, tens of thousands of tons of cotton and fabrics
to hungry Poles. Over 1944-1945, Soviet military specialists restored 16 thousand wells in Poland, cured 3.5 Thousands of infectious patients, 20 kilometers of bridges, highways have been restored, and supplies of potatoes, machinery, and inventory have been carried out.
Moreover, under the "bloody Soviet regime" Poland had the third most powerful army among the Warsaw Pact countries.

And here I want to remind you once again that today Poland equates Stalin with Hitler.
Now let's compare what Hitler did to Warsaw.,


What Hitler did to Warsaw

And that's what Stalin is. This is a Stalinist skyscraper in the center of Warsaw with a height of 237 meters. The tallest building in Poland until 2022!


What Stalin did to Warsaw

So Stalin is what a "cruel tyrant" and "occupier", among other things, built (which is important with Soviet money!) the tallest building in the country.

In addition, the USSR facilitated the annexation to Poland of many western territories that did not belong to it. About 20% of its current territory is, in fact, a gift from the USSR!


About 20% of its current Polish territory is a gift from the USSR

Poland remained under the wing of the USSR until the collapse of the Soviet Union. And if Russia itself has had anti-Soviet sentiments since the late 80s and early 90s and looked at the West as a white gentleman who knows how to live, then there is nothing to say about Poland. She immediately ran away to the west with open arms.

But the big difference between Poland and Russia is that Poland is not a geopolitical enemy of the West. Yes, they don't consider Poles their own, but they don't consider them enemies either. Therefore, the United States, which has become the hegemon in the world since 1991, has given Poland the opportunity to develop normally. But Russia was not only prevented from developing, they actively began to rob it through their henchmen like Chubais. Therefore, it turned out that Poland has indeed achieved many economic successes during this time. Between 1989 and 2007, Poland's economy grew by 177%.

In addition, Poland is well located geographically next to Russia, and therefore it was accepted into NATO. And in 2004, Poland was admitted to the European Union.

And today, in general, Poles live quite well relative to many other countries.

Well, basically, this is the whole brief history of Poland and the relationship between our countries.

WHY DOES POLAND HATE RUSSIA?

Based on all this, the hatred of Poles for Russians is generally incomprehensible. As it was said, our countries do not have territorial disputes. There are no serious disagreements or legitimate historical grievances.

It's even the opposite, with those to whom there may be some hatred - for Ukrainians, Poles are friends with them. It was the Ukrainian nationalists who killed hundreds of thousands of Poles during the Second World War. As an example, the well-known Volyn massacre, when on the night of July 11, militants of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army immediately broke into 150 Polish settlements in Western Ukraine and killed tens of thousands of civilians with shocking brutality in just one day! And nothing, judging by the hugs of the heads of state, the old grievances have already been forgotten.



And what about Russia? Yes, there were wars with Poland. Well, they all had them. And by the way, the Americans actually dropped nuclear bombs on the Japanese, and now they are happy about it and even grateful.

And let's say we don't experience any kind of polonophobia, and we respect many ethnic Poles, such as Rokossovsky and Dzerzhinsky. At least, the people.

There is no hatred due to the fact that they almost destroyed our country in the time of troubles, and that they took territories for themselves, and that they were friends with Napoleon and Hitler against us.

No. So it's completely different. What is the reason for the hatred?

The USSR liberated Poland from the Nazis, helped rebuild it, prevented starvation, and donated territories.

By the way, in connection with Poland's Russophobic policy, the State Duma has now recalled all this and offered to recover $750 billion from it.

The application states:
"One third of the Polish territories became part of Poland only thanks to the victory of the Soviet Union over the Third Reich. These are mainly areas with developed infrastructure, industrial enterprises, and natural resources. The USSR spent more than $750 billion on the restoration and development of Poland. Over 800 industrial, energy and transport facilities were built with this money."

So, the answer to one of the main questions in geopolitics, why Poland hates Russia, is quite banal: it fulfills the order of its master, the United States of America.

Yes, Poland did not actually become an independent country after 1991. She just changed her master from the USSR to the USA. That's all. And what does the United States need? So that their vassals hate their opponents more than they do themselves. Which Poland is doing like no other.

By the way, feeling the patronage of the American gentleman, Poland, as before the Second World War, got excited, imagining itself a lion. Just like then, this country demands everything from everyone.

I have already mentioned the reparations required from Russia.

But they also demand 1.5 trillion dollars from Germany. And these are not just words. The official document was sent by the Minister of Foreign Affairs on this occasion. And what is interesting in this story is that Poland receives tens of millions of euros in subsidies from the European Union, where Germany is the first economy. In other words, Germany has been feeding Poland since 2004.

The Polish parliament further threatened to present territorial claims to the Czech Republic.

Money is being demanded from Norway for the fact that Norway sells its own energy resources.

And all because now, as before, Poland feels very important and even untouchable at the moment for the West of the country, Ukraine, demands repentance for the Volyn massacre.

This country is behaving brazenly not because of its status, but because it feels that it is needed to do dirty deeds. And as they think, the United States will not let them be offended. Just as before, they thought that Great Britain would not let them offend Germany.

Yes, they bend significantly in front of America. In May 2023, Polish President Andrzej Duda said that the slogan of the Polish presidency of the EU would be "more USA in Europe." That is, this is open servility.

There is a photo of Tremp and Duda, where they sign some kind of contract. Here, the president looks like some kind of servant.


Duda and Trump sign an agreement

Here's what you need to know about Poland's so-called independence. Poland can be called the "policeman of the Slavic peoples" - it is looking for an external customer and bends under it. He sells his hatred of fraternal peoples. In addition, Poles have always treated Belarusians, Ukrainians and others as second-class people, as savages. It's just that the owner from across the ocean has ordered to love some of them now.

Yes, there is another reason why Poles do not like Russians - it is that Russia has become an empire, but Poland has not.

The trouble with Poland is that the crisis will destroy a lot. An unprecedented crisis has already broken out in Europe: the Western economy, which Poland is sucking, is actively collapsing, and inflation in Poland is breaking records. Yes, the European Union, like the United States, is being saved by printing new, unsupported money. And this, by the way, is the answer to the question of why Europe hasn't frozen over yet. She, like America, just prints money.
But it will still make the situation worse in the future.

When things get really bad, when the financial pyramid of the West collapses, no one will remember Poland. She would be left alone, one-on-one with the neighbors, with whom she was actively spoiling relations.

With the support of the United States and its vassals, Poland is mindlessly abandoning Russian coal, gas and oil. Later it will turn into a disaster for the Polish people. The electricity price level in Poland is already the highest in the EU.

But many analysts say that Europe as a whole will not need energy resources, since an active stage of production destruction has begun there. The center of industry will be the south-east of our planet: India, China and other countries of the region. Poland, like Europe, is facing dark times. In terms of time, this will happen within a few decades.

As for the war with the Poles, as it was said, we have nothing to share. In addition, Poles remember what the Russian army is, which liberated them from Nazi Germany. By the way, proud Poland, a country supported by Great Britain and France, lasted only 2.5 weeks before the onslaught of Germany. So Poles probably also have some kind of inferiority complex.

This country is not independent. She's like a demanding child who thinks everyone owes her. But how will he live when his patrons leave him stranded because of their own problems? We'll see.

[ExomatrixTV]

What can you say about Hungary? ... I have part Hungarian blood (Grandma)

[Russian Bear]

Can I tell you about the relationship as a whole or why the Hungarians rebelled against the government in 1956? Khrushchev's policy was incompetent, he did a lot of bad things in politics. I can describe a specific period. Set me a goal to study a specific issue and you will get a Russian perspective on the situation.

It is worth saying that one of the main reasons for the uprising was Stalin's death and his condemnation of the cult of personality at the XX Congress of the CPSU by Khrushchev. Nikita Sergeevich's speech caused discontent among the Hungarians, who did not understand why Imre Nagy was removed, who refused to follow the Stalinist doctrine, and, as it turned out, the very top of the Union condemned Joseph Vissarionovich. Hungarians loved Imre Nagy very much, as he carried out very successful economic reforms for the country. They believed that the refusal to follow Stalin's course was just an excuse to oust him.

1. There was a fascist uprising in Hungary in 1956. On the streets of Budapest and other cities, Hungarian fascists killed Hungarian communists.
2. The technology of organizing an insurrection is tricky and simple at the same time: it is a cross between the Maidan in Kiev and Gorbachev. That is, "color" technologies multiplied by the betrayal of the Hungarian elite led by Imre Nagy.
3. The USSR did absolutely the right thing by suppressing this rebellion. The Hungarian Communists did this together with our soldiers.
4. The fault of the USSR leadership is that by his actions at the beginning of "de-Stalinization" Khrushchev created a pretext and background for rebellion and an attempt to split the Soviet bloc. There are only a few months between the Twentieth Congress and the uprising in Hungary…
5. During the rebellion, the "rebels" committed heinous crimes: murders, burning people alive, torture, robberies, rapes.
6. The West was not going to support the rebels at all, it needed the shooting in Budapest for completely different purposes.

Let me explain this. It was about preventing the Soviet bloc from splitting.

I consider the victims to be Khrushchev's fault. Unfortunately, people died and I understand that it is terrible.

If we had given them freedom, they would have passed to the field of influence of our enemy. It was the time of the Cold War, we could not have done otherwise. But the uprisings could have been avoided if not for the stupid policy of Khrushchev who gave a reason for this, because of which people died.

[Jaak]

¨ we respect many ethnic Poles, such as Rokossovsky and Dzerzhinsky¨
Lol . How many russians got tortured and killed because of Dzerzhinsky ?

Yeah i wonder why polish people dislike russians . Maybe because of all the atrocities that they did and which they like to deny .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish...on_of_the_NKVD
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NKVD_Order_No._00485
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet...9%E2%80%931946)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre

Concentration camps got liberated by the soviets . You forgot to mention that the camps after that became part of gulag where people were tortured and murdered for many years after the WW2 . And they even created some new camps .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salomon_Morel

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Wikipedia is globalist propaganda, there are many distortions, I saw your message, I will study your material and will answer you when I have time.

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Posted by Jaak (here)
¨ we respect many ethnic Poles, such as Rokossovsky and Dzerzhinsky¨
Lol . How many russians got tortured and killed because of Dzerzhinsky ?

Yeah i wonder why polish people dislike russians . Maybe because of all the atrocities that they did and which they like to deny .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish...on_of_the_NKVD
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NKVD_Order_No._00485
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet...9%E2%80%931946)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre

Concentration camps got liberated by the soviets . You forgot to mention that the camps after that became part of gulag where people were tortured and murdered for many years after the WW2 . And they even created some new camps .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salomon_Morel

40.9 ❗❗❗Who Shot Polish Officers in Katyn? https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1670651

The NKVD's "Polish Operation": Fiction and Truth https://dzen.ru/a/Y520PzmzTGmqwWwc

NKVD Order No. 00485 https://nstarikov.ru/polskij-prikaz-86050

The Polish operation of the NKVD, Stalin's repressions and the intelligence war - is everything so clear-cut? https://dzen.ru/a/XqiGiUMlFxprTleN

I found the information and I suggest you read it.


Warsaw's Lie about the NKVD's "Polish Operation"

Throughout August, Poland traditionally remembers the so-called Polish operation of the NKVD of 1937-1938 and accuses the Kremlin of genocide against the Polish people. Let us recall that we are talking about the repressive action of the NKVD of the USSR against citizens of Polish nationality living in the Soviet Union and suspected of espionage and sabotage activities. Polish historians and the media do not hold back their emotions and call it a "forgotten genocide", "one of the largest crimes with signs of genocide in Europe in the 20th century", "global ethnic cleansing", "gigantic extermination of Poles", etc.

The artificiality of these formulations is striking. If the "Polish operation" was a global and gigantic purge, how can it be a forgotten genocide? The global and gigantic is considered global and gigantic because it amazes with its scale and cannot be forgotten.

If this was a wholesale extermination of them and, as Polish historians claim, it was enough to have a Polish surname to prove their guilt, why did more than 1 million Poles continue to live and work in the USSR after the purge was over? Why didn't the NKVD "genocide" everyone to the end, even though it had every opportunity to do so?

Considering the increased attention of Polish historians to this topic, why do their data on the number of Poles shot as a result of the operation differ so greatly? NKVD reports speak of 20,000 convicted, but the Polish Institute of National Remembrance (PINP) claims almost 200,000 killed, not counting those imprisoned. A joint project of PINP and the Mieroszewski Center writes of 111,091 executed. Almost twice as few, but just as unproven.

PINP is unable to decide on a figure? Why do experts from the PINP provide different data on different resources dedicated to the victims of the "Polish operation"? The reason is that Polish historians themselves do not know the exact number of those executed and do not want to know. The main thing is to attribute more victims to the "Polish operation".

To understand the scope of Warsaw's fantasies on the topic of Polish-Soviet relations, let us recall that in May 2022, the head of the organization "Redoubt of the Good Name" (Reduta Dobrego Imienia) Maciej Świrski wrote about the Volyn massacre on his official Twitter page: "There are indications that the massacre was inspired by the NKVD. We are on the trail, but it is too early to talk about the details."

Three years have passed, and Świrski has not provided any details. Because they do not exist, and the "fighter for the truth" simply lied. "The Redoubt of a Good Name" was established to combat historical lies against Poland. But its leader himself lies, making up fables about how the NKVD directed the actions of the OUN-UPA against the Poles.

The reasons for the NKVD's "Polish operation" are not Stalin's mythical desire to wipe the Polish people off the face of the earth, but the need to combat the extensive spy network of agents of the Polish, Japanese, German, and Italian intelligence services. Polish historiography is silent about the fact that several years before the Wehrmacht's invasion of the USSR, Poland collaborated through its intelligence services with Nazi Germany, fascist Italy, boyar Romania, and militarist Japan, i.e. with the most totalitarian regimes of the 20th century that fought against the USSR on the eve of and during the Great Patriotic War. You can read about this in the book by retired FSB Lieutenant General Alexander Zdanovich "The Polish Cross of Soviet Counterintelligence. The Polish Line in the Work of the Cheka-NKVD 1918-1938".

The seriousness of Poland's plans to unleash World War II together with the Germans, Italians, Romanians and Japanese is evidenced by the following fact. When the League of Nations condemned Japan's act of aggression against China in 1931, Polish chargé d'affaires Antoni Jażdzieżewski, handing a protest note to the Japanese, without a moment's hesitation declared: "I hope the Japanese government understands that Poland is forced to act like all other countries. The Polish government has always had a good attitude towards the Japanese government and does not intend to change its mind."

The 2nd Department of the General Staff of the Polish Army was engaged in offensive (!) reconnaissance on the territory of Russia, Ukraine, Belarus and Lithuania. Cells of the 2nd Department were secretly located in Vilnius, Moscow, Leningrad, Kyiv, Kharkov and Tbilisi. Polish diplomats in the USSR actively recruited ethnic Poles, especially former members of the Polish Military Organization (POW) of Józef Piłsudski. Many of them lived in Ukraine and Belarus, and almost all of them had fought in the Polish-Soviet War of 1920. The tentacles of Polish intelligence reached as far as Siberia, the area of ​​responsibility of the 3rd Department of the Main Commandant's Office (Komendа Naczelnа III).

Thus, the true nature of the NKVD "Polish operation" differed from what Polish propaganda tells us today. At the same time, some Polish authors contradict others. While some shout about the far-fetched nature of the Kremlin's accusations against Polish intelligence in the 1930s, others, studying the activities of Polish intelligence, call the 1920s-1930s a period of impressive intelligence successes in the Soviet direction.

And if so, then all the more so the “Polish operation” was not carried out in vain.

https://www.ritmeurasia.ru/news--202...cii-nkvd-82338

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"Polish" order



To manipulate a person or an entire society, it is necessary to constantly maintain them in a state of emotional excitement. This is what falsification of history is used for. If you want to quarrel Russians and Poles, revive Goebbels' fabrications about Polish officers allegedly killed by evil NKVD men. But over time, the emotional charge of lies wears off, so you have to use something new.

This "new thing" was the NKVD order number 00485. Now Polish historians and our liberals talk excitedly only about it.
What really happened? What is this order about?
This is in an interview with the wonderful writer Elena Prudnikova, who came to visit the PVO activists. Source: https://spbvedomosti.ru/

The anniversary of the NKVD order No. 00485 — on the liquidation of Polish sabotage and espionage groups and organizations of the POV (Polish Military Organization), approved by the Politburo of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks) on August 9, 1937, did not go unnoticed by the public. Some forces in Poland call the repressions against Poles in the USSR that followed this order "genocide of the Polish people". Writer and historian Elena PRUDNIKOVA, the author of many books on the history of the special services and life in the USSR in the 1930s, shared her views on this issue with us.

- Elena Anatolyevna, today you can read a lot about the Polish NKVD operation of 1937 on the Internet, and in quite a lot of detail. Both documents and fairly detailed figures are provided: during the course of the operation in 1937-1938, 139,815 people were convicted, of whom 111,071 were shot...
- It is important to understand that the Polish operation is not something isolated from other NKVD operations, and not only the so-called national ones. First of all, it is necessary to mention the secret order of the People's Commissar of Internal Affairs No. 00447 of July 30, 1937, which was officially called "On the operation to repress former kulaks, criminals and other anti-Soviet elements." This order is usually associated with the beginning of the Great Terror. Although, in my opinion, the Great Terror is to a large extent a myth.
It is impossible to consider events outside the time in which they occurred. According to the General Staff of the Red Army, the war with Nazi Germany could well have begun in 1937, or at most in 1938. Therefore, both the "kulak" order and the "national" orders are not some kind of abstract terror, but pre-war measures to protect the state from those who could stab it in the back after the war began.
Why was there a need for a "Polish" order? The fact is that the Polish state, from the very moment of its emergence in 1918, was sharply anti-Russian. Not anti-Soviet, but specifically anti-Russian. The first thing Pilsudski did when he came to power in 1918 was to start wars of conquest against Ukraine and Belarus, which were still separate states at the time. All this ended in the great Soviet-Polish war of 1920.
But even after the peace was concluded, the Poles did not calm down, so there was no friendship on our border. Up until 1925, White Guard detachments crossed the Polish border into Soviet territory as if it were their own home. Ours, by the way, were not far behind either - in the Soviet Union, such activity was called "active reconnaissance". Since the mid-1920s, Poland was one of the most likely enemies for the USSR, and it was absolutely clear that it would act against us in alliance with Hitler's Germany. This was taken for granted and was included in the operational plans of our General Staff.
- But World War II began precisely with Germany's attack on Poland...
- This is the result, I dare say, of the exceptional stupidity and greed of the Polish leadership of that time. But in 1937, who could have predicted that the two main opponents of the USSR would start by fighting each other?
So Poland was an enemy for us - convinced and uncompromising. And the position of Polish intelligence in the Soviet Union was extremely strong. Poland had been part of the Russian Empire for a long time, had a common border with the USSR, and inherited the illegal apparatus of the anti-Soviet organizations based on its territory. After the Soviet-Polish war, tens of thousands of prisoners of war returned to the USSR, numerous Polish political emigrants fled to us - and these are excellent channels for sending agents.
It is precisely with these circumstances that the NKVD order is connected.
- What is this document?
- We still do not know exactly what the "Polish" order looked like. The published text, considered as such, raises serious doubts upon careful reading. For example, let's compare it with a similar "kulak" order. In both cases, certain groups of the population are subject to repression.
In the "Polish" order, "members of the Polish Military Organization identified during the investigation" were subject to arrest - an intelligence and terrorist organization with a very powerful, ramified network in the Soviet Union. This point does not raise any questions. There are also no questions about the anti-Soviet activists of the Polish regions of the USSR. But the rest - prisoners of war of the Polish army, defectors from Poland and political emigrants who remained in the USSR - are a different matter.
According to the order, those arrested are divided into two categories. The first includes "all espionage, sabotage, wrecking and rebel personnel of the Polish intelligence", subject to execution. The second - less active ones, who were to be sent to camps. And the question immediately arises: did the NKVD not assume the existence of inactive Poles? And even communist emigrants fell under the same broom?
The real NKVD directives did not allow such blunders: they clearly stipulated who to arrest and how to conduct the investigation. For example, in the "German" order, only those political emigrants who retained German citizenship were subject to arrest. There is no mention of any "categories" there; on the contrary, the employees of the agencies are required to conduct a thorough investigation and send cases to court.
In the "kulak" order, after each group of those subject to arrest, there was an explanation: "conducting active anti-Soviet activities." Yes, even if not proven in court, even if based on intelligence data, but this data had to exist! And not just for a kulak past. The "Polish" order does not have such reservations.
And finally, a small thing, but very important for a historian: the "Polish" order does not have an archival reference. So there are very serious grounds to suspect that this text is a fake.
- Could this have happened?
- Very simple. In the 1990s, an unthinkable number of fakes were thrown into historical circulation - and not only in the media, but also in the archives. How can they be distinguished from genuine documents? Mainly by style. You can forge a lot, but it is incredibly difficult, almost impossible, to imitate the style of presentation. For example, there are a huge number of fake documents allegedly signed by Beria. But Lavrenty Pavlovich had such a unique style of writing business papers... To write like him, you have to think like him.
It is no less difficult to forge NKVD documents - again, because to do this you need not only to master the terminology, you need to think like a special service employee of that time, and know many nuances.
- What, in your opinion, was the real "Polish" order about, what measures did it provide for?
- Apparently, it was about pre-war filtering of dubious elements based on intelligence data and investigation data like order #00447.
- But most of those who were repressed under the same "Polish" order were later rehabilitated... So, they weren't spies or intelligence agents after all?
- We must clearly understand: rehabilitation is less connected with reality than even the Great Terror itself. Under Khrushchev, it was a process that was partly political and partly personal.
And it was completely political in the 1980s and 1990s, when they rehabilitated en masse everyone who had been repressed under the sentences of the "troikas" and "dvoikas" - the "special tribunals" of the NKVD. At the same time, those who carried out the rehabilitation were guided in their work by the legal norms of the 1980s, extending them to the 1930s and even the 1920s.
- Do you think that all 140 thousand people repressed by the "Polish" order were spies?
- Well, not all... You see, what happened in 1937 was conceived as a pre-war purge. Cruel? Yes, but the government was preparing for the most terrible war in Russian history. And then the purge turned into a great terror - and this is entirely the fault of the NKVD. Our internal affairs agencies at that time were, to put it mildly, a gathering of bandits, who were only purged by Lavrenty Beria, who became the head of the NKVD in 1938. He removed the former sadists, and removed them harshly, with imprisonments and executions.
Of course, it would be good if people with "clean hands, a warm heart and a cool head" worked in the agencies. But where can we get them in such numbers? The Russian Empire left us a completely wild people as a legacy - in all respects: illiterate, unenlightened, cruel. The horrors of the Civil War were committed by people who were brought up in the depths of the Russian Empire! And they have not gone anywhere since then. These same people came to work in the NKVD.
90% of the responsibility for the Great Terror lies with Yezhov, whom Stalin trusted, believing that he would be able to control the organs, not to let them break into lawlessness. At the same time, with all the trust, double and triple reinsurance was made.
For example, what is a "special troika"? In the NKVD documents, "troikas" appear as "special tribunals", which included, as a rule, the highest party leader of a given territory, the head of the NKVD department and the prosecutor. That is, this is a more competent composition than ordinary courts, whose members often did not have not only a legal education, but even a secondary education.
- But this was not a court: the case was heard without the accused, there was no defense, there was no opportunity to appeal the verdict...
- The accused were present at the sessions of the Stolypin military field courts - but what was the point? Whether they were ordinary courts or "troikas" - they all work with the materials of the investigation. It took time to understand that the Chekists were falsifying cases on a massive scale, using torture, and that the People's Commissar was encouraging them in every possible way.
- You said that Stalin trusted Yezhov completely. When did he realize that Yezhov was not the right person?
- In the fall and winter of 1937, members of the Politburo traveled around the country to check what was going on. Apparently, it was when they began mass checks that they saw that there were a lot of falsified cases.
You see, Stalin ordered very specific things - to identify hidden enemies of the Soviet power who would go over to the enemy's side in the coming war, to shoot the most dangerous ones, to send the less dangerous ones to camps. And the NKVD made a massacre out of this case. It was not a great terror - rather a catastrophe...
And another important detail. Do you know who was the most numerous victim of the great terror? Criminals. In the famous order No. 00447, criminals were listed separately. And in many places they made up 50-60% of those executed.
The NKVD, unfortunately, had a flaw that had remained from the security service of the tsarist era: very strong information and rather weak investigation. Therefore, there was a huge number of operational records, in which people were known for sure to be dangerous bandits. But nothing could be done with them - there was no evidence, it was not possible, so to speak, to catch them red-handed at the scene of the crime... But many cities in the mid-1930s literally groaned from criminal terror. And only order No. 00447 more or less defused the situation.
- Let's get back to the Polish operation. What do you think was the percentage of innocent repressed?
- Who can say that now? When Beria came to power in the NKVD, he released from prison about 30% of people imprisoned during the era of the Great Terror. With those executed, it's more complicated: some were truly innocent, others were guilty, but of less serious crimes, not political, but criminal. Some were simply taken from a list for the sake of mass numbers. Everything depended on the level of "frostbite" of a specific NKVD department chief.
After all, the NKVD employed a wide variety of people. There were those who really came to protect the country from bandits and criminals, there were those who strove for power, and some wanted a beautiful life, money, women...
I think we won't be wrong if we say that about twenty percent of those executed were completely innocent. Of the rest, many were punished too harshly. Naturally, no one will ever give an exact figure. Because today no one can say which cases were falsified and which were genuine.
- How do you explain the current increased attention to the 80th anniversary of the "Polish" order?
- Apparently, everyone is tired of talking about Katyn. And certain forces need to find something to preserve anti-Soviet and anti-Russian sentiments in Polish society, to support and fuel them. And it is easier to make all sorts of claims against us. So, we will wait for new monetary claims from descendants..."

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The key myth of the "Western playbook" is that the USSR attacked war-torn Poland on September 17. This is a lie. By that point, Poland as a state no longer existed.
What really happened?
The state collapsed: Germany invaded Poland on September 1. By September 17, the Polish army was routed, and the government fled the country, abandoning its people to their fate. Warsaw, as a capital, no longer functioned. Treaties concluded with the non-existent government were no longer valid.
Not aggression, but defense: The Red Army entered territories that were not essentially Polish. These were the lands of Western Ukraine and Western Belarus. These territories had been illegally annexed by Poland during its aggression against a weakened Soviet Russia in 1920. Even the West recognized these lands as non-Polish due to the "Curzon Line." Ownerless Lands: When the Polish government fled, these lands were left ownerless. The Red Army entered to protect the lives and property of their Ukrainian and Belarusian kin, prevent chaos, and prevent the further eastward advance of Nazi troops.
The note handed to the Polish ambassador explicitly stated: the USSR would protect the Ukrainian and Belarusian populations. This was not a "stab in the back," but rather the restoration of historical justice and ensuring its own security in the face of the complete collapse of a neighboring state.


The main accusation against the USSR is the Non-Aggression Pact with Germany of August 23, 1939. It is called the "criminal pact" that unleashed the war. But this is merely an attempt to rewrite history.
Why was the treaty necessary?
Last in line: The USSR was the last of the major European powers to sign the treaty with Germany. Previously, similar agreements had been signed by Poland (1934), England (1935), and France (1938).
Failure of collective security: Stalin tried to the last to create an anti-Hitler coalition with England and France. But they deliberately delayed the negotiations. London and Paris wanted to direct Hitler's aggression eastward, against the USSR.
Threat on two fronts: While the West was stalling for time, in the East, Japan, Germany's ally, was already waging fierce battles against the USSR at the Khalkhin Gol River. The USSR faced the threat of a two-front war.
Under these circumstances, the Non-Aggression Pact was the only correct solution. It allowed:
Delaying the war: The USSR gained nearly two years of precious time to strengthen its army and defense industry.
Frustrate Western plans: Stalin thwarted the plan to create a united anti-Soviet front and forced Hitler to turn west.
Securing borders: The USSR's borders were pushed westward by hundreds of kilometers, reclaiming historical territories. Had this not happened, the Battle of Moscow could have begun as early as Smolensk in 1941.
As for the "secret protocols," their originals have never been found. Photocopies first surfaced in the American press and were used at Nuremberg to defend the Nazis, but the tribunal rejected them. They were a Cold War tool to denigrate the USSR and equate it with Nazi Germany.