Liberal or Conservative, what is their meaning today ?

[thepainterdoug]

See definitions below/

As a person, I have always considered myself a Liberal.  I have always been open minded , tolerant, unprejudiced, broad minded and so on.  All the traits listed in the description from the dictionary of what a liberal is. 
Applying to politics, I am for individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise, freedom of the press, all granted us within the constitution of the USA. I am also anti war.  Fictitious war that is. And I voted for Obama just to get away from the Bush war machine agenda.

I also have traits of a Conservative as well. A traditionalist as in family , personal property, finances, classic art, music and the preservation of culture as well as history.

Applying to politics, the following our constitution, the rule of law, personal sovereignty ,meritocracy , the protection of our borders , sensible lawful  immigration and smaller government . However, I am for social programs such as social security, welfare and health care, within reason and responsibly applied.  Therein lies the problem. Corruption is the problem.

I consider my views, logical, sensible, fair minded, considerate, and caring of others and can be distilled down to a certain degree as 
 "do unto others as you want done unto yourself"" if you talk the talk, then walk the walk"

I would say hypocrisy is the most irritating aspect of the adult .  

No matter what view a person has, they should apply it to their own person and children to prove it's real.  Then at least I know where he truly stands.

Today in my view, these two words Liberal and Conservative  have been corrupted and used to divide not describe. People are being forced into categories that no longer mean what they once meant.  
None of these titles or catagories work for me.

When you take one stand on one issue, you are immediately labeled.  We are forced into limited confinements that truly have so much more dimension to them.

When I joined Project Avalon in the light of Project Camelot, I assumed it was a liberal place with open minded people. Certainlynot a so called  "conservative" forum.
  
Yet somehow I seem to be viewed as a conservative today.

What happened?

[ExomatrixTV]

"Neo-Cons" are not real Conservatives but Globalists (CFR, WEF, Bilderberg, Davos, Technocrats) and Trump never was nor is a "Neo-con" but an opportunistic populist much closer respecting & defendig constitutional rights.

I was raised in a classic Liberal family and friends network for over 25 years ... so I can see when "Neo-Liberalism" hijacking the original Liberals ... the list is long ... maybe I should write about that?

cheers,
John

[Mark]

When a classic outsider, Trump, achieved the highest office in the land, his run made the AltCom take sides on mainstream issues and descend into the dichotomous political maelstrom, when we'd always eschewed doing so before. Our original tribal and familial cultures became primary in a way that had never been so apparently evident.

It didn't start with Trump, of course, this splitting of the AltCom. I always date it back to August 14, 2014 and the Red Ice Radio Interview with John Lash, as I've mentioned here numerous times before. This was the day when my blood froze and I saw what it was going to take to split the AltCom and turn us against ourselves.

I think it has taken a non-politically liberal perspective for most of us here to become who we are in the world, these days. That willingness to seek out new information and take on new ways of being and thinking is something that has always marked this community as something apart from the norm. I've always thought that we were beyond such categorizations and we were, until we weren't anymore. Now, there is an Alt-Right that is pretty much associated with the Conservative definition above and an Alt-Left that can also be associated with the definition of Liberal above.

Of course, the addition of "politically" to both puts the words into the proper context, as opposed to their general definitions.

[thepainterdoug]

Thanks very much Mark

and Exo , perhaps you should !!

[Mike]

As the world has gotten progressively more insane, I've been forced to become more conservative in relation to it. But I don't think that makes me a conservative; I think it just makes me a rationalist.

Doug everything you wrote about yourself above could easily be applied to me. I think it's safe to say that we both hold classical liberal values(not to be confused with modern liberalism). You haven't changed, and I haven't changed, it's just that the Overton Window has shifted so dramatically that our values are now viewed in an entirely different light.

5 mins ago I was probably considered liberal, even by people who considered themselves die hard liberals. Now those same people view me as some uber conservative demon made in a lab with Trump's and Rush Limbaugh's DNA But I'm the exact same guy!

[Satori]

Posted by Mark (here)
When a classic outsider, Trump, achieved the highest office in the land, his run made the AltCom take sides on mainstream issues and descend into the dichotomous political maelstrom, when we'd always eschewed doing so before. Our original tribal and familial cultures became primary in a way that had never been so apparently evident.

It didn't start with Trump, of course, this splitting of the AltCom. I always date it back to August 14, 2014 and the Red Ice Radio Interview with John Lash, as I've mentioned here numerous times before. This was the day when my blood froze and I saw what it was going to take to split the AltCom and turn us against ourselves.

I think it has taken a non-politically liberal perspective for most of us here to become who we are in the world, these days. That willingness to seek out new information and take on new ways of being and thinking is something that has always marked this community as something apart from the norm. I've always thought that we were beyond such categorizations and we were, until we weren't anymore. Now, there is an Alt-Right that is pretty much associated with the Conservative definition above and an Alt-Left that can also be associated with the definition of Liberal above.

Of course, the addition of "politically" to both puts the words into the proper context, as opposed to their general definitions.

Bump, bump....

This is a very cerebral/intellectual and compelling interview by a man, John Lash, who in my opinion is very much on to something. Listen intently and strive to understand. The interview was in 2014, and it is even more apropos today and every passing day. It ties into "COVID 19", the jab, etc...., and things discussed by Clif High and Jay Weidner, to name just a few.

Thank you Mark!

[amor]

Time for a Laugh. My Category is: What the hell is going on? Don't step on my toes and I won't crush yours.

[rgray222]

I think one of the reasons that there is confusion on how people identify politically is because of the change in the Democrat Party. For many years we have heard that there was no difference between the two political parties, they were exactly the same. To a certain extent that was absolutely true. Liberals and conservatives always had the same goals they just travelled different roads to get to the same destination. Now the Progressive faction is taking over the Democrat Party, not necessarily in the number of people but in the ability to be heard (mainstream media) and in funding. Old school liberals like Biden, Pelosi and Schumer have no choice but to allow the Progressive voices to be heard. The problem is that the progressive movement has gone so far off the reservation it is championing causes that the majority of Americans will never buy into, from Socialism, Marxism to defunding the police and everything in between. The Progressive Party have proven themselves completely unwilling to discuss issues, instead, they will attack anyone who gets in their way using the mainstream media and the cancel culture.

In a very odd way, this leaves conservatives and liberals reading out of the same book, once again they may not agree on how to get to the finish line but they all agree on where the finish line should be placed.

[thepainterdoug]

mike / in total agreement with you. we are truly cut from similar cloth .thanks

rgray/ yes this democratic party is unrecognizable to me and many others once democrats. JFK would be considered a conservative in comparison.

Satori / thanks for the bump on MARKS suggestion. The video is over 2 hours and I need to set time aside.

[onawah]

A more recent contribution from John Lash here:

and here: https://truthscrambler.com/2017/11/2...f-the-archons/

Posted by Mark (here)
When a classic outsider, Trump, achieved the highest office in the land, his run made the AltCom take sides on mainstream issues and descend into the dichotomous political maelstrom, when we'd always eschewed doing so before. Our original tribal and familial cultures became primary in a way that had never been so apparently evident.

It didn't start with Trump, of course, this splitting of the AltCom. I always date it back to August 14, 2014 and the Red Ice Radio Interview with John Lash, as I've mentioned here numerous times before. This was the day when my blood froze and I saw what it was going to take to split the AltCom and turn us against ourselves.

I think it has taken a non-politically liberal perspective for most of us here to become who we are in the world, these days. That willingness to seek out new information and take on new ways of being and thinking is something that has always marked this community as something apart from the norm. I've always thought that we were beyond such categorizations and we were, until we weren't anymore. Now, there is an Alt-Right that is pretty much associated with the Conservative definition above and an Alt-Left that can also be associated with the definition of Liberal above.

Of course, the addition of "politically" to both puts the words into the proper context, as opposed to their general definitions.

[Mashika]

As far as i understand from American culture, it never truly meant anything

Didn't they even switch places at some point? The liberals became democrats and democrats liberals?

How is that even supposed to work? What at the real core values then?

It's like the red army (bolshevik) would switch places with the white army (Belshevik) and then white army call themselves "Soviet", how can that even be?

I never understood how that even came to be, very honestly, not even the explanations i found make true sense
https://www.livescience.com/34241-de...platforms.html

The current Democrats, are the original Conservatives, and the current Conservatives, are the original Democrats that established "Democracy" in the US in the first place?

So now the current Democrats are fighting against the original Democrats because their kind of democracy is not suited to the democracy of the original Conservatives that are now the Democratic Party officially

I think i'm going to go take a nap

[Mashika]

Posted by Mike (here)
As the world has gotten progressively more insane, I've been forced to become more conservative in relation to it. But I don't think that makes me a conservative; I think it just makes me a rationalist.

So you are saying, let them do whatever they want, i have my own choices and i won't care but for mine. The rest can do whatever they want

Is that democracy or conservatism?

5 mins ago I was probably considered liberal, even by people who considered themselves die hard liberals. Now those same people view me as some uber conservative demon
made in a lab with Trump's and Rush Limbaugh's DNA But I'm the exact same guy!

I don't know about that.. Aliens have their ways, but i guess i can't say it to you because you may have already been compromised, and that's why you are trying to confuse with that "5 minutes ago and now" thing. You probably trying to reach out and grab as much as minions as you can

ETA:
Nevermind, i'm not suited to US politics, erase my previous comments please

[Mark]

Posted by Satori (here)
Bump, bump....

This is a very cerebral/intellectual and compelling interview by a man, John Lash, who in my opinion is very much on to something. Listen intently and strive to understand. The interview was in 2014, and it is even more apropos today and every passing day. It ties into "COVID 19", the jab, etc...., and things discussed by Clif High and Jay Weidner, to name just a few.

Thank you Mark!

You’re welcome.

Listening to this again for the first time since it came out has been a reminder of why I loved and followed Lash’s work. There are many good things here that I agree with. But still a critical few that I believe reveal a blind spot in his and others reasoning on these issues of white genocide. I will say though that I do appreciate, now more than I did back then, the lengths that Lash went to in order to couch his findings in a global context.

A key point to be considered going forward is the question of energetic siphoning of global populations.

[ExomatrixTV]

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[Mike]

Posted by Malisa (here)

Posted by Mike (here)
As the world has gotten progressively more insane, I've been forced to become more conservative in relation to it. But I don't think that makes me a conservative; I think it just makes me a rationalist.

So you are saying, let them do whatever they want, i have my own choices and i won't care but for mine. The rest can do whatever they want

Is that democracy or conservatism?

5 mins ago I was probably considered liberal, even by people who considered themselves die hard liberals. Now those same people view me as some uber conservative demon
made in a lab with Trump's and Rush Limbaugh's DNA But I'm the exact same guy!

I don't know about that.. Aliens have their ways, but i guess i can't say it to you because you may have already been compromised, and that's why you are trying to confuse with that "5 minutes ago and now" thing. You probably trying to reach out and grab as much as minions as you can

ETA:
Nevermind, i'm not suited to US politics, erase my previous comments please

What I'm saying is: I'm right and everyone else is wrong, and if you dispute that you're irrational

That's my alien logic. I don't care what you say..on my planet it's infallible.

[Matthew]

Seems like there's only authoritarians and libertarians now days. The left vs conservative thing doesn't cut it anymore imo

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

The meaning of 'liberal' has...changed somewhat.

https://x.com/ClownWorld_/status/1958154154217783530

https://x.com/DefiantLs/status/1958156117164355850

[Bill Ryan]

Friends, do also see this Avalon thread:

• The "Right-Left" dichotomy: false, simplistic, & manipulative.